Anyone here play Nascar Heat and have a Radeon 8500?

When running my R8500 at AGP aperature setting of 64mb I noticed 3D acceleration was turned off in dxdiag. I then ran the Nascar Heat benchmark and my Polygon rate was only 696, I also noticed some graphycal glitches in NH and a few other games (polygons flashing on the screen). I then changed my AGP aperature to 128mb, this fixed all the problems for me. AGP acceleration was now enabled, no more graphics glitches in any games and in Nascar Heat the polygon rate jumped to 4681. I then upped my AGP from 2X to 4X and it went up to 5263. This is strange because ATI recommends 64mb aperature and on my GF2 setting aperature to 64mb or 128mb and 2x or 4x made no difference. This is on a FIC AD11 (AMD761) mb. Anyone else with an R8500 notice anything similar or their system. I'm using the 3286 drivers from ATI. Could someone with an R8500 and Nascar Heat run the benchmark and tell me what their reading is. My fillrate never changes from 1077, just the polygon rate changes and changing the res from 1024x768 to 1280x1024 makes no dif either.

As far as I can tell my ASUS CULS-2 BIOS doesn't provide a way to fiddle with the AGP aperture setting. FWIW, on my 1 gHz P3 with Radeon 8500 (9008 driver) the benchnark utility gives me 35.7 fps at a fillrate of 1059 MPix/sec and polys of 2983 kTris/sec. This is at 1024 x 768 rez with all graphical quality settings maxed out. Booker "Aguirre" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:fip28.796$[email hidden]... > When running my R8500 at AGP aperature setting of 64mb I noticed 3D > acceleration was turned off in dxdiag. I then ran the Nascar Heatbenchmark > and my Polygon rate was only 696, I also noticed some graphycal glitchesin > NH and a few other games (polygons flashing on the screen). I then changed > my AGP aperature to 128mb, this fixed all the problems for me. AGP > acceleration was now enabled, no more graphics glitches in any games andin > Nascar Heat the polygon rate jumped to 4681. I then upped my AGP from 2Xto > 4X and it went up to 5263. This is strange because ATI recommends 64mb > aperature and on my GF2 setting aperature to 64mb or 128mb and 2x or 4xmade > no difference. This is on a FIC AD11 (AMD761) mb. Anyone else with anR8500 > notice anything similar or their system. I'm using the 3286 drivers from > ATI. Could someone with an R8500 and Nascar Heat run the benchmark andtell > me what their reading is. My fillrate never changes from 1077, just the > polygon rate changes and changing the res from 1024x768 to 1280x1024 makes > no dif either. > >

"David Erb" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:lkx28.20703$[email hidden]...

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> As far as I can tell my ASUS CULS-2 BIOS doesn't provide a way to fiddle > with the AGP aperture setting. FWIW, on my 1 gHz P3 with Radeon 8500 (9008 > driver) the benchnark utility gives me 35.7 fps at a fillrate of 1059 > MPix/sec and polys of 2983 kTris/sec. This is at 1024 x 768 rez with all > graphical quality settings maxed out. > > Booker

OK, thx. Looks like my polygon rate is honking now then. NH says "awsome" after every benchmark. Seems weird that going from 64mb to 128mb and changing AGP2x to 4x would make such a difference though. You sure that CULS has no option to change the AGP aperature? It should be under Advanced Chipset option in your bios.

I have a CUSL2 also. The AGP aperture setting is in there, it's just not called AGP aperture, it's called Graphics Window Size, and it's in the Chip Configuration menu. Unfortunately on the version of the board I have 64 meg is the max to which you can set it, but I'm not convinced that you really need more than that anyway. "David Erb" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:lkx28.20703$[email hidden]... > As far as I can tell my ASUS CULS-2 BIOS doesn't provide a way tofiddle > with the AGP aperture setting. FWIW, on my 1 gHz P3 with Radeon 8500(9008 > driver) the benchnark utility gives me 35.7 fps at a fillrate of 1059 > MPix/sec and polys of 2983 kTris/sec. This is at 1024 x 768 rez withall

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> graphical quality settings maxed out. > > Booker > > "Aguirre" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:fip28.796$[email hidden]... > > When running my R8500 at AGP aperature setting of 64mb I noticed 3D > > acceleration was turned off in dxdiag. I then ran the Nascar Heat > benchmark > > and my Polygon rate was only 696, I also noticed some graphycal

glitches > in > > NH and a few other games (polygons flashing on the screen). I thenchanged > > my AGP aperature to 128mb, this fixed all the problems for me. AGP > > acceleration was now enabled, no more graphics glitches in any gamesand > in > > Nascar Heat the polygon rate jumped to 4681. I then upped my AGPfrom 2X > to > > 4X and it went up to 5263. This is strange because ATI recommends64mb > > aperature and on my GF2 setting aperature to 64mb or 128mb and 2x or4x > made > > no difference. This is on a FIC AD11 (AMD761) mb. Anyone else withan > R8500 > > notice anything similar or their system. I'm using the 3286 driversfrom > > ATI. Could someone with an R8500 and Nascar Heat run the benchmarkand > tell > > me what their reading is. My fillrate never changes from 1077, justthe > > polygon rate changes and changing the res from 1024x768 to 1280x1024makes > > no dif either. > > > > > >

Just checked the motherboard manual and that Graphics Window Size is mentioned in the manual. However when I go to the BIOS the line is not present in its alloted place. After some fiddleing around I discovered that the GWS line would appear if I enabled the onboard VGA. It was set at 64 meg. Since I don't have an onboard (built-in) VGA on this particular model of CUSL2 I did not save the configuration. I do know that there are later BIOS at ASUS for this particular board but ,frankly, flashing BIOS is not a task that I care to do. The fear and trepidation factor, ya' know :) David "Haqsau" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:a2erqk$10kodm$[email hidden]...

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> I have a CUSL2 also. The AGP aperture setting is in there, it's just > not called AGP aperture, it's called Graphics Window Size, and it's in > the Chip Configuration menu. Unfortunately on the version of the board > I have 64 meg is the max to which you can set it, but I'm not convinced > that you really need more than that anyway. > > "David Erb" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:lkx28.20703$[email hidden]... > > As far as I can tell my ASUS CULS-2 BIOS doesn't provide a way to > fiddle > > with the AGP aperture setting. FWIW, on my 1 gHz P3 with Radeon 8500 > (9008 > > driver) the benchnark utility gives me 35.7 fps at a fillrate of 1059 > > MPix/sec and polys of 2983 kTris/sec. This is at 1024 x 768 rez with > all > > graphical quality settings maxed out. > > > > Booker > > > > "Aguirre" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:fip28.796$[email hidden]... > > > When running my R8500 at AGP aperature setting of 64mb I noticed 3D > > > acceleration was turned off in dxdiag. I then ran the Nascar Heat > > benchmark > > > and my Polygon rate was only 696, I also noticed some graphycal > glitches > > in > > > NH and a few other games (polygons flashing on the screen). I then > changed > > > my AGP aperature to 128mb, this fixed all the problems for me. AGP > > > acceleration was now enabled, no more graphics glitches in any games > and > > in > > > Nascar Heat the polygon rate jumped to 4681. I then upped my AGP > from 2X > > to > > > 4X and it went up to 5263. This is strange because ATI recommends > 64mb > > > aperature and on my GF2 setting aperature to 64mb or 128mb and 2x or > 4x > > made > > > no difference. This is on a FIC AD11 (AMD761) mb. Anyone else with > an > > R8500 > > > notice anything similar or their system. I'm using the 3286 drivers > from > > > ATI. Could someone with an R8500 and Nascar Heat run the benchmark > and > > tell > > > me what their reading is. My fillrate never changes from 1077, just > the > > > polygon rate changes and changing the res from 1024x768 to 1280x1024 > makes > > > no dif either. > > > > > > > > > > >

"Haqsau" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:a2erqk$10kodm$[email hidden]... > I have a CUSL2 also. The AGP aperture setting is in there, it's just > not called AGP aperture, it's called Graphics Window Size, and it's in > the Chip Configuration menu. Unfortunately on the version of the board > I have 64 meg is the max to which you can set it, but I'm not convinced > that you really need more than that anyway. It shouldn't matter if you have 64mb or 128mb, but on my R8500 and FIC AD11 I get a major problem when I set it to 64mb. Must be the crappy ATI drivers causing the problem.

What BIOS version do you have? The early versions were a bitch to update because if you didn't do it exactly right you ended up with no video. OTOH if you did do it exactly as per instructions you were fine. I have been updating about twice a year without any problems. I don't get every update, just the ones that seem to relate to problems I am having. There have been updates that fixed problems with the hardware monitor, and that fixed problems with USB, both of which I use, so I updated. I think ever since the first update the GWS option has been available. "David Erb" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:xFD28.21397$[email hidden]... > Just checked the motherboard manual and that Graphics Window Size is > mentioned in the manual. However when I go to the BIOS the line is not > present in its alloted place. After some fiddleing around I discoveredthat > the GWS line would appear if I enabled the onboard VGA. It was set at64 > meg. Since I don't have an onboard (built-in) VGA on this particularmodel > of CUSL2 I did not save the configuration. I do know that there arelater > BIOS at ASUS for this particular board but ,frankly, flashing BIOS isnot a

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> task that I care to do. The fear and trepidation factor, ya' know :) > > David > > "Haqsau" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:a2erqk$10kodm$[email hidden]... > > I have a CUSL2 also. The AGP aperture setting is in there, it's

just > > not called AGP aperture, it's called Graphics Window Size, and it'sin > > the Chip Configuration menu. Unfortunately on the version of theboard > > I have 64 meg is the max to which you can set it, but I'm notconvinced

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> > that you really need more than that anyway. > > > > "David Erb" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:lkx28.20703$[email hidden]... > > > As far as I can tell my ASUS CULS-2 BIOS doesn't provide a way to > > fiddle > > > with the AGP aperture setting. FWIW, on my 1 gHz P3 with Radeon

8500 > > (9008 > > > driver) the benchnark utility gives me 35.7 fps at a fillrate of1059 > > > MPix/sec and polys of 2983 kTris/sec. This is at 1024 x 768 rezwith

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> > all > > > graphical quality settings maxed out. > > > > > > Booker > > > > > > "Aguirre" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > news:fip28.796$[email hidden]... > > > > When running my R8500 at AGP aperature setting of 64mb I noticed

3D > > > > acceleration was turned off in dxdiag. I then ran the NascarHeat > > > benchmark > > > > and my Polygon rate was only 696, I also noticed some graphycal > > glitches > > > in > > > > NH and a few other games (polygons flashing on the screen). Ithen > > changed > > > > my AGP aperature to 128mb, this fixed all the problems for me.AGP > > > > acceleration was now enabled, no more graphics glitches in anygames > > and > > > in > > > > Nascar Heat the polygon rate jumped to 4681. I then upped my AGP > > from 2X > > > to > > > > 4X and it went up to 5263. This is strange because ATIrecommends > > 64mb > > > > aperature and on my GF2 setting aperature to 64mb or 128mb and2x or > > 4x > > > made > > > > no difference. This is on a FIC AD11 (AMD761) mb. Anyone elsewith > > an > > > R8500 > > > > notice anything similar or their system. I'm using the 3286drivers > > from > > > > ATI. Could someone with an R8500 and Nascar Heat run thebenchmark > > and > > > tell > > > > me what their reading is. My fillrate never changes from 1077,just > > the > > > > polygon rate changes and changing the res from 1024x768 to1280x1024

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Strange! You sent your message on the 20th and it appears today on the 25th, along with a lot of other stale messages. Must be connected with the odd behaviour of my ISP last weekend. Anyway to answer your question: I have the 1001.a BIOS , the original one that came with the board. I have done BIOS upgrades on previous ASUS boards before but the ASUS site gives particularly dire warnings about the upgrade procedure from 1001. Does the latest BIOS contain any upgrades that are of real benefit? For instance my Thrustmaster Ferrari FF wheel seems awfully twitchy and hard to calibrate in several sims to the point where I can't play the new NH addon Spirit of Heat. Would the USB fixes you mention help in that case? Fortuneatly GPL, that most bulletproof of sims, remains unaffected. David "Haqsau" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:a2f488$101qbf$[email hidden]...

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> What BIOS version do you have? The early versions were a bitch to > update because if you didn't do it exactly right you ended up with no > video. OTOH if you did do it exactly as per instructions you were fine. > I have been updating about twice a year without any problems. I don't > get every update, just the ones that seem to relate to problems I am > having. There have been updates that fixed problems with the hardware > monitor, and that fixed problems with USB, both of which I use, so I > updated. I think ever since the first update the GWS option has been > available. > > "David Erb" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:xFD28.21397$[email hidden]... > > Just checked the motherboard manual and that Graphics Window Size is > > mentioned in the manual. However when I go to the BIOS the line is not > > present in its alloted place. After some fiddleing around I discovered > that > > the GWS line would appear if I enabled the onboard VGA. It was set at > 64 > > meg. Since I don't have an onboard (built-in) VGA on this particular > model > > of CUSL2 I did not save the configuration. I do know that there are > later > > BIOS at ASUS for this particular board but ,frankly, flashing BIOS is > not a > > task that I care to do. The fear and trepidation factor, ya' know :) > > > > David > > > > "Haqsau" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:a2erqk$10kodm$[email hidden]... > > > I have a CUSL2 also. The AGP aperture setting is in there, it's > just > > > not called AGP aperture, it's called Graphics Window Size, and it's > in > > > the Chip Configuration menu. Unfortunately on the version of the > board > > > I have 64 meg is the max to which you can set it, but I'm not > convinced > > > that you really need more than that anyway. > > > > > > "David Erb" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > news:lkx28.20703$[email hidden]... > > > > As far as I can tell my ASUS CULS-2 BIOS doesn't provide a way to > > > fiddle > > > > with the AGP aperture setting. FWIW, on my 1 gHz P3 with Radeon > 8500 > > > (9008 > > > > driver) the benchnark utility gives me 35.7 fps at a fillrate of > 1059 > > > > MPix/sec and polys of 2983 kTris/sec. This is at 1024 x 768 rez > with > > > all > > > > graphical quality settings maxed out. > > > > > > > > Booker > > > > > > > > "Aguirre" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > > news:fip28.796$[email hidden]... > > > > > When running my R8500 at AGP aperature setting of 64mb I noticed > 3D > > > > > acceleration was turned off in dxdiag. I then ran the Nascar > Heat > > > > benchmark > > > > > and my Polygon rate was only 696, I also noticed some graphycal > > > glitches > > > > in > > > > > NH and a few other games (polygons flashing on the screen). I > then > > > changed > > > > > my AGP aperature to 128mb, this fixed all the problems for me. > AGP > > > > > acceleration was now enabled, no more graphics glitches in any > games > > > and > > > > in > > > > > Nascar Heat the polygon rate jumped to 4681. I then upped my AGP > > > from 2X > > > > to > > > > > 4X and it went up to 5263. This is strange because ATI > recommends > > > 64mb > > > > > aperature and on my GF2 setting aperature to 64mb or 128mb and > 2x or > > > 4x > > > > made > > > > > no difference. This is on a FIC AD11 (AMD761) mb. Anyone else > with > > > an > > > > R8500 > > > > > notice anything similar or their system. I'm using the 3286 > drivers > > > from > > > > > ATI. Could someone with an R8500 and Nascar Heat run the > benchmark > > > and > > > > tell > > > > > me what their reading is. My fillrate never changes from 1077, > just > > > the > > > > > polygon rate changes and changing the res from 1024x768 to > 1280x1024 > > > makes > > > > > no dif either. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

IIRC the USB fixes were for legacy USB mode, i.e. support for USB mice and keyboards in DOS mode and during boot up. I installed it anyway just in case it might fix a problem I was having, but it didn't. Of the upgrades that I have done so far, the most important was the one that fixed hardware monitoring, since I am heavily overclocked and really need to watch the temps. Can't remember what version that was, but they changes are all listed on ASUS's web site. "David Erb" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:hgl48.208$[email hidden]... > Strange! You sent your message on the 20th and it appears today on the25th, > along with a lot of other stale messages. Must be connected with theodd > behaviour of my ISP last weekend. > > Anyway to answer your question: I have the 1001.a BIOS , the originalone > that came with the board. I have done BIOS upgrades on previous ASUSboards > before but the ASUS site gives particularly dire warnings about theupgrade > procedure from 1001. Does the latest BIOS contain any upgrades thatare of > real benefit? For instance my Thrustmaster Ferrari FF wheel seemsawfully > twitchy and hard to calibrate in several sims to the point where Ican't > play the new NH addon Spirit of Heat. Would the USB fixes you mentionhelp

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> in that case? Fortuneatly GPL, that most bulletproof of sims, remains > unaffected. > > David > > "Haqsau" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:a2f488$101qbf$[email hidden]... > > What BIOS version do you have? The early versions were a bitch to > > update because if you didn't do it exactly right you ended up with

no > > video. OTOH if you did do it exactly as per instructions you werefine. > > I have been updating about twice a year without any problems. Idon't > > get every update, just the ones that seem to relate to problems I am > > having. There have been updates that fixed problems with thehardware > > monitor, and that fixed problems with USB, both of which I use, so I > > updated. I think ever since the first update the GWS option hasbeen > > available. > > > > "David Erb" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:xFD28.21397$[email hidden]... > > > Just checked the motherboard manual and that Graphics Window Sizeis > > > mentioned in the manual. However when I go to the BIOS the line isnot > > > present in its alloted place. After some fiddleing around Idiscovered > > that > > > the GWS line would appear if I enabled the onboard VGA. It was setat > > 64 > > > meg. Since I don't have an onboard (built-in) VGA on thisparticular > > model > > > of CUSL2 I did not save the configuration. I do know that thereare > > later > > > BIOS at ASUS for this particular board but ,frankly, flashing BIOSis > > not a > > > task that I care to do. The fear and trepidation factor, ya' know:)

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> > > > > > David > > > > > > "Haqsau" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > news:a2erqk$10kodm$[email hidden]... > > > > I have a CUSL2 also. The AGP aperture setting is in there, it's > > just > > > > not called AGP aperture, it's called Graphics Window Size, and

it's > > in > > > > the Chip Configuration menu. Unfortunately on the version ofthe

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> > board > > > > I have 64 meg is the max to which you can set it, but I'm not > > convinced > > > > that you really need more than that anyway. > > > > > > > > "David Erb" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > > news:lkx28.20703$[email hidden]... > > > > > As far as I can tell my ASUS CULS-2 BIOS doesn't provide a

way to > > > > fiddle > > > > > with the AGP aperture setting. FWIW, on my 1 gHz P3 withRadeon > > 8500 > > > > (9008 > > > > > driver) the benchnark utility gives me 35.7 fps at a fillrateof > > 1059 > > > > > MPix/sec and polys of 2983 kTris/sec. This is at 1024 x 768rez

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> > with > > > > all > > > > > graphical quality settings maxed out. > > > > > > > > > > Booker > > > > > > > > > > "Aguirre" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > > > news:fip28.796$[email hidden]... > > > > > > When running my R8500 at AGP aperature setting of 64mb I

noticed > > 3D > > > > > > acceleration was turned off in dxdiag. I then ran the Nascar > > Heat > > > > > benchmark > > > > > > and my Polygon rate was only 696, I also noticed somegraphycal > > > > glitches > > > > > in > > > > > > NH and a few other games (polygons flashing on the screen).I > > then > > > > changed > > > > > > my AGP aperature to 128mb, this fixed all the problems forme. > > AGP > > > > > > acceleration was now enabled, no more graphics glitches inany > > games > > > > and > > > > > in > > > > > > Nascar Heat the polygon rate jumped to 4681. I then upped myAGP > > > > from 2X > > > > > to > > > > > > 4X and it went up to 5263. This is strange because ATI > > recommends > > > > 64mb > > > > > > aperature and on my GF2 setting aperature to 64mb or 128mband > > 2x or > > > > 4x > > > > > made > > > > > > no difference. This is on a FIC AD11 (AMD761) mb. Anyoneelse

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> > with > > > > an > > > > > R8500 > > > > > > notice anything similar or their system. I'm using the 3286 > > drivers > > > > from > > > > > > ATI. Could someone with an R8500 and Nascar Heat run the > > benchmark > > > > and > > > > > tell > > > > > > me what their reading is. My fillrate never changes from

1077,

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> > just > > > > the > > > > > > polygon rate changes and changing the res from 1024x768 to > > 1280x1024 > > > > makes > > > > > > no dif either. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

ABIT BE6 and Radeon 8500 here. I have been looking for a solution to this problem quite awhile. Polygon rate (Fair) 1432KTris/sec. I tried changing Aperature to 128 and still no change in polygon count. HELP! "Aguirre" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:S5E28.849$[email hidden]...

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> > "Haqsau" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:a2erqk$10kodm$[email hidden]... > > I have a CUSL2 also. The AGP aperture setting is in there, it's just > > not called AGP aperture, it's called Graphics Window Size, and it's in > > the Chip Configuration menu. Unfortunately on the version of the board > > I have 64 meg is the max to which you can set it, but I'm not convinced > > that you really need more than that anyway. > > It shouldn't matter if you have 64mb or 128mb, but on my R8500 and FIC

AD11 > I get a major problem when I set it to 64mb. Must be the crappy ATIdrivers > causing the problem. > >