Re: *Finally* I got my WSC....

Gerry Aitken <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > > > mark jeangerard wrote: > > > CPR. It's tempting to say this is as good as GP32K. It's certainlyholding > > it's own. It looks pretty good considering the max res is 640x480. The > > chassis dynamics simply got better. It holds the title of having themost > > race car like feel and best sense of speed, acceleration anddeceleration. > > The bumps are excellent. The way the suspension bottoms and lifts and > > transfers, wow.... it's unbelievably good. But the tire model isslightly > > off. Dependable, you can anticipate it and drive the car very hard atthe > > limit, but off the realism chart to some degree. Also the perspective is > > slightly off. Hard to put the car to the inch. Easily as fun as anything > > else, though. The new computer made it better again. It's sad that theAI > > are ludicrously poor and no one is online anymore because with theslightest

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> > tweak to the perspective and tire model it would be the best racer ever. > > Everyone else would have to hide their heads. > > Ok, I've found a copy of CPR. Now, what do I have to do/add to it for it > to have the same effect on me? > > TIA > > Gerry

Mind altering drugs ;-) -- don

...computer. Been a few weeks actually. I bought an Athlon 1600XP+, MSI K7T266 Pro2 (non RAID), 256mb of 266DDR ram (The guy said I wanted 2100 speed, I said I thought 266 was the speed, he said don't think and take the 2100, I did.), a USR PCI 56k modem, Sound Blaster PCI512, Cambridge FPS1800 4.1 speaker system, and an ATX case with a side and top fan. The box and computing hardware was 630USD and the sound card and speaker system were 50 and 100USD. The chip/board/case/modem is an insanely good deal, I am finding out. So is the sound system. Naturally, the first place I went was GP32K. I put everything flat out, except mirrors, at 1280x1024 and ran under 100 PO at Monaco from 6th place all the way around. GP3 is a gorgeous looking game. I also have the new (to me) EAX and Direct Sound sound card. The sound of the cars in position has added so much to GP3. It seems like it's exactly what the game was missing and now it's perfect. I tried 1024x768 and seriously cannot tell the difference graphically but I can feel the difference in the car. I have to say that the physics in GP32K are the best I've ever felt by a huge margin and they are very realistic. There is so much depth and fluidity to the tire model. Racing in the rain is pure joy. It seems like the AI got better too. Without question, this is the finest driving sim I've ever driven and it really didn't get that way until the computer got faster. SBK2K&1 became drivable all of the sudden. I cranked the graphics up absolutely all the way. Everything as far as it would go. The game got real smooth. The chicanes are no longer the impassable obstacle they used to be and the cornering speeds came up. Everything is fluid now. I would race online this minute, the controller is that much better. It's very easy to see the difference between 1280x1024 and 1024x768, worlds different, but 1024 is still the best looking game I've seen and the controls are slightly smoother. The sound in SBK is the best. STCC2 is weird. Didn't change much at all and won't run above 800x600. Maybe it doesn't like the Voodoo5. Actually, I did Max all the graphics and it is much more fluid and expressive. A good drive, no doubt. Now, if only I could find another driver on one of the servers. CPR. It's tempting to say this is as good as GP32K. It's certainly holding it's own. It looks pretty good considering the max res is 640x480. The chassis dynamics simply got better. It holds the title of having the most race car like feel and best sense of speed, acceleration and deceleration. The bumps are excellent. The way the suspension bottoms and lifts and transfers, wow.... it's unbelievably good. But the tire model is slightly off. Dependable, you can anticipate it and drive the car very hard at the limit, but off the realism chart to some degree. Also the perspective is slightly off. Hard to put the car to the inch. Easily as fun as anything else, though. The new computer made it better again. It's sad that the AI are ludicrously poor and no one is online anymore because with the slightest tweak to the perspective and tire model it would be the best racer ever. Everyone else would have to hide their heads. GPL. The distance from GPL to GP32K/CPR grew substantially. GPL has dropped further off the chart in terms of physics and racing car feel and fun and realism. That being said, it's about 30% closer to what I wish it could be and I'm enjoying it more than ever. Overall the new computer gave everything a lot more depth. Graphics are important if you can have the luxury of having them. The illusion is more impressive. But most important is fluidity and controller immediacy because they allow us to react in a more realistic manner. This new computer changed everything for me. And showed me how good GP3 and CPR really are. If you're thinking of upgrading, you won't be disappointed with the new gear that's available. We are at a lull in sim production and the computers are lulling enough that a good machine is very reasonable. -- "Racing! - Science for the action minded." mark

"mark jeangerard" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:LCo28.65840$[email hidden]... > > ...computer. > > Been a few weeks actually. I bought an Athlon 1600XP+, MSI K7T266 Pro2(non > RAID), 256mb of 266DDR ram (The guy said I wanted 2100 speed, I said I > thought 266 was the speed, he said don't think and take the 2100, I did.),a

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> USR PCI 56k modem, Sound Blaster PCI512, Cambridge FPS1800 4.1 speaker > system, and an ATX case with a side and top fan. The box and computing > hardware was 630USD and the sound card and speaker system were 50 and > 100USD. The chip/board/case/modem is an insanely good deal, I am finding > out. So is the sound system. >snip< > SBK2K&1 became drivable all of the sudden. I cranked the graphics up > absolutely all the way. Everything as far as it would go. The game got

real > smooth. The chicanes are no longer the impassable obstacle they used to be > and the cornering speeds came up. Everything is fluid now. I would race > online this minute, the controller is that much better. It's very easy to > see the difference between 1280x1024 and 1024x768, worlds different, but > 1024 is still the best looking game I've seen and the controls areslightly > smoother. The sound in SBK is the best. I guess you are not using Win XP. I couldn't get SBK2001 to run at all. If you are, how did you get it going ?

Do you have any idea how much f**ken sh*t I've taken over the past four years for saying what you have about CPR and GPL? Any idea at all???? :-( David G Fisher "mark jeangerard" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:LCo28.65840$[email hidden]... > > ...computer. > > Been a few weeks actually. I bought an Athlon 1600XP+, MSI K7T266 Pro2(non > RAID), 256mb of 266DDR ram (The guy said I wanted 2100 speed, I said I > thought 266 was the speed, he said don't think and take the 2100, I did.),a

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> USR PCI 56k modem, Sound Blaster PCI512, Cambridge FPS1800 4.1 speaker > system, and an ATX case with a side and top fan. The box and computing > hardware was 630USD and the sound card and speaker system were 50 and > 100USD. The chip/board/case/modem is an insanely good deal, I am finding > out. So is the sound system. > > Naturally, the first place I went was GP32K. I put everything flat out, > except mirrors, at 1280x1024 and ran under 100 PO at Monaco from 6th place > all the way around. GP3 is a gorgeous looking game. I also have the new

(to > me) EAX and Direct Sound sound card. The sound of the cars in position has > added so much to GP3. It seems like it's exactly what the game was missing > and now it's perfect. I tried 1024x768 and seriously cannot tell the > difference graphically but I can feel the difference in the car. I have to > say that the physics in GP32K are the best I've ever felt by a huge margin > and they are very realistic. There is so much depth and fluidity to thetire > model. Racing in the rain is pure joy. It seems like the AI got bettertoo. > Without question, this is the finest driving sim I've ever driven and it > really didn't get that way until the computer got faster. > > SBK2K&1 became drivable all of the sudden. I cranked the graphics up > absolutely all the way. Everything as far as it would go. The game gotreal > smooth. The chicanes are no longer the impassable obstacle they used to be > and the cornering speeds came up. Everything is fluid now. I would race > online this minute, the controller is that much better. It's very easy to > see the difference between 1280x1024 and 1024x768, worlds different, but > 1024 is still the best looking game I've seen and the controls areslightly > smoother. The sound in SBK is the best. > > STCC2 is weird. Didn't change much at all and won't run above 800x600.Maybe > it doesn't like the Voodoo5. Actually, I did Max all the graphics and itis > much more fluid and expressive. A good drive, no doubt. Now, if only Icould

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> find another driver on one of the servers. > > CPR. It's tempting to say this is as good as GP32K. It's certainly holding > it's own. It looks pretty good considering the max res is 640x480. The > chassis dynamics simply got better. It holds the title of having the most > race car like feel and best sense of speed, acceleration and deceleration. > The bumps are excellent. The way the suspension bottoms and lifts and > transfers, wow.... it's unbelievably good. But the tire model is slightly > off. Dependable, you can anticipate it and drive the car very hard at the > limit, but off the realism chart to some degree. Also the perspective is > slightly off. Hard to put the car to the inch. Easily as fun as anything > else, though. The new computer made it better again. It's sad that the AI > are ludicrously poor and no one is online anymore because with the

slightest > tweak to the perspective and tire model it would be the best racer ever. > Everyone else would have to hide their heads. > > GPL. The distance from GPL to GP32K/CPR grew substantially. GPL hasdropped

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> further off the chart in terms of physics and racing car feel and fun and > realism. That being said, it's about 30% closer to what I wish it could be > and I'm enjoying it more than ever. > > Overall the new computer gave everything a lot more depth. Graphics are > important if you can have the luxury of having them. The illusion is more > impressive. But most important is fluidity and controller immediacy

because > they allow us to react in a more realistic manner. This new computerchanged > everything for me. And showed me how good GP3 and CPR really are. > > If you're thinking of upgrading, you won't be disappointed with the newgear

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> that's available. We are at a lull in sim production and the computers are > lulling enough that a good machine is very reasonable. > > -- > > "Racing! - Science for the action minded." > > mark > > >

"David G Fisher" wrote... > Do you have any idea how much f**ken sh*t I've taken over the > past four years for saying what you have about CPR and GPL? > Any idea at all???? :-( In case you didn't know David.... life's not fair. Jan.<g> =--- "Pay attention when I'm talking to you boy!" -Foghorn Leghorn.

Don't worry, David. We can still make it. ;-) "Mark, you are so wrong! GPL is the best game ever! In fact it has better physics than ... than ... than a physics department! GPL is even better than buttered bread! And the AI is smarter than Dubya!" Cheers, Jens "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> skrev i en meddelelse news:qUo28.2766$[email hidden]... > Do you have any idea how much f**ken sh*t I've taken over the past four > years for saying what you have about CPR and GPL? Any idea at all???? :-( > > David G Fisher >

Yes, but all that criticism really........sniff......hurt. David G Fisher "Jan Verschueren" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> "David G Fisher" wrote... > > Do you have any idea how much f**ken sh*t I've taken over the > > past four years for saying what you have about CPR and GPL? > > Any idea at all???? :-( > > In case you didn't know David.... life's not fair. > > Jan.<g> > =--- > "Pay attention when I'm talking to you boy!" -Foghorn Leghorn. > > >

Stolen any more mortgage money lately? :-) David G Fisher "Jens H. Kruuse" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:r1p28.2205$[email hidden]... > Don't worry, David. We can still make it. ;-) > > "Mark, you are so wrong! GPL is the best game ever! In fact it has better > physics than ... than ... than a physics department! GPL is even betterthan

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> buttered bread! And the AI is smarter than Dubya!" > > Cheers, > Jens > > "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> skrev i en meddelelse > news:qUo28.2766$[email hidden]... > > Do you have any idea how much f**ken sh*t I've taken over the past four > > years for saying what you have about CPR and GPL? Any idea at all????

:-( > > > > David G Fisher > > > > >

>"David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote > Do you have any idea how much f**ken sh*t I've taken over the past four > years for saying what you have about CPR So, you want us to shred a little tear for you? -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- http://www.ymenard.8m.com/ -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimato Dominguez Corporation - helping America into the New World...

>"David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote > Yes, but all that criticism really........sniff......hurt. Call it, "disagreement" ;) -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- http://www.ymenard.8m.com/ -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimato Dominguez Corporation - helping America into the New World...

Yes. David G Fisher "ymenard" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:lmp28.34464$[email hidden]...

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> >"David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote > > Do you have any idea how much f**ken sh*t I've taken over the past four > > years for saying what you have about CPR > > > So, you want us to shred a little tear for you? > > > > > -- > -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> > -- http://www.ymenard.8m.com/ > -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimato Dominguez > Corporation - helping America into the New World... > > >

Well, Mark isn't being a dick about it. -- Pat Dotson David G Fisher wrote: > > Yes, but all that criticism really........sniff......hurt. > > David G Fisher > > "Jan Verschueren" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > "David G Fisher" wrote... > > > Do you have any idea how much f**ken sh*t I've taken over the > > > past four years for saying what you have about CPR and GPL? > > > Any idea at all???? :-( > > > > In case you didn't know David.... life's not fair. > > > > Jan.<g> > > =--- > > "Pay attention when I'm talking to you boy!" -Foghorn Leghorn. > > > > > >

I was nice early on. Just like I'm nice in the other newsgroups I post to (never had an arguement with anyone). People were "dicks" to me here and so I changed my approach. That's how I see it. You surely see it differently. David G Fisher "Pat Dotson" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> Well, Mark isn't being a dick about it. > > -- > Pat Dotson > > David G Fisher wrote: > > > > Yes, but all that criticism really........sniff......hurt. > > > > David G Fisher > > > > "Jan Verschueren" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:[email hidden]... > > > "David G Fisher" wrote... > > > > Do you have any idea how much f**ken sh*t I've taken over the > > > > past four years for saying what you have about CPR and GPL? > > > > Any idea at all???? :-( > > > > > > In case you didn't know David.... life's not fair. > > > > > > Jan.<g> > > > =--- > > > "Pay attention when I'm talking to you boy!" -Foghorn Leghorn. > > > > > > > > >

Your new computer will be outdated before WSC ever gets released. > ...computer. >

Any *more*? Who told you? ;-) "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> skrev i en meddelelse news:O4p28.2774$[email hidden]... > Stolen any more mortgage money lately? :-) > > David G Fisher > >

mark jeangerard wrote:

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> CPR. It's tempting to say this is as good as GP32K. It's certainly holding > it's own. It looks pretty good considering the max res is 640x480. The > chassis dynamics simply got better. It holds the title of having the most > race car like feel and best sense of speed, acceleration and deceleration. > The bumps are excellent. The way the suspension bottoms and lifts and > transfers, wow.... it's unbelievably good. But the tire model is slightly > off. Dependable, you can anticipate it and drive the car very hard at the > limit, but off the realism chart to some degree. Also the perspective is > slightly off. Hard to put the car to the inch. Easily as fun as anything > else, though. The new computer made it better again. It's sad that the AI > are ludicrously poor and no one is online anymore because with the slightest > tweak to the perspective and tire model it would be the best racer ever. > Everyone else would have to hide their heads.

Ok, I've found a copy of CPR. Now, what do I have to do/add to it for it to have the same effect on me? TIA Gerry

I'm using 98SE. Here are my reasons, bearing in mind that I am NOT a computer whiz: 1. Everyone has drivers for 98. 2. I can't think of one thing that my OS doesn't do that I wish it would do. 3. I DLed Media Player7 and it would not allow me to save or even review media files in any other manner than streaming, which don't work at 56k. I fear that any new MS software may act accordingly. 4. I won't use any software that wants me to 'check in' periodically with the manufacturer or forfeit my right to use it. So far, the Win98SE thing is working out pretty well. -- "Racing! - Science for the action minded." mark "redTed" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:lJo28.45809$[email hidden]... > I guess you are not using Win XP. I couldn't get SBK2001 to run at all. > If you are, how did you get it going ? > >

I have been getting the same shit that you have, I simply go for less quantity. -- "Racing! - Science for the action minded." mark "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:qUo28.2766$[email hidden]... > Do you have any idea how much f**ken sh*t I've taken over the past four > years for saying what you have about CPR and GPL? Any idea at all???? :-( > > David G Fisher

Yea well, I guess it helps that you do some ass slapping with the GPL boys on VROC. David G Fisher "mark jeangerard" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:dLD28.82093$[email hidden]...

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> I have been getting the same shit that you have, I simply go for less > quantity. > > -- > > "Racing! - Science for the action minded." > > mark > > "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:qUo28.2766$[email hidden]... > > Do you have any idea how much f**ken sh*t I've taken over the past four > > years for saying what you have about CPR and GPL? Any idea at all????

:-( > > > > David G Fisher > > > >

"David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> skrev i en meddelelse news:qZE28.4684$[email hidden]... > Yea well, I guess it helps that you do some ass slapping with the GPL boys > on VROC. > > David G Fisher > Please, please tell me that no leather, latex, or liquorice is involved! :-O

In article <aKD28.82056$[email hidden]>, "mark jeangerard" <[email hidden]> writes: >4. I won't use any software that wants me to 'check in' periodically with >the manufacturer or forfeit my right to use it. "Check in"? What if you lost your internet connection? XP would be worthless, then? Eldred -- Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPLRank - under construction... Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

mark jeangerard wrote: > Most important things: > MS Patch > Car Setup > Triglide.dll (If you don't have it email me at [email hidden].) > CTFJ3 > FOV Buttons Mark, thanks for all your help on this, much appreciated. It's a shame we're stuck with 640x480 though :( Cheers Gerry

Oh yeah, I'm generally loved on VROC. They can't wait until I show up. Got presents from everyone on Christmas. -- Mark Jeangerard [email hidden] Administrator - GPVL F2 http://home.att.net/~m.jeangerard/GPVLF2 "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:qZE28.4684$[email hidden]... > Yea well, I guess it helps that you do some ass slapping with the GPL boys > on VROC. > > David G Fisher > > > "mark jeangerard" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:dLD28.82093$[email hidden]... > > I have been getting the same shit that you have, I simply go for less > > quantity. > > > > -- > > > > "Racing! - Science for the action minded." > > > > mark > > > > "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:qUo28.2766$[email hidden]... > > > Do you have any idea how much f**ken sh*t I've taken over the past four > > > years for saying what you have about CPR and GPL? Any idea at all???? > :-( > > > > > > David G Fisher > > > > > > > > > >

Oh yeah, I'm generally loved on VROC. They can't wait until I show up. Got presents from everyone on Christmas. -- Mark Jeangerard Administrator - GPVL F2 http://home.att.net/~m.jeangerard/GPVLF2 > Yea well, I guess it helps that you do some ass slapping with the GPL boys > on VROC. > David G Fisher > > I have been getting the same shit that you have, I simply go for less > > quantity. > > -- > > "Racing! - Science for the action minded." > > mark > > > Do you have any idea how much f**ken sh*t I've taken over the past four > > > years for saying what you have about CPR and GPL? Any idea at all???? > :-( > > > David G Fisher

Mark, I have the exact same problem with media player. Here's a few tips that may help you, at least with Windows media player ;) 1: Check your temp internet folder for mpegs etc. then copy them to a safe place or use the original media player which comes with win 98, it should still be in the windows folder, mplayer.exe. If you're lucky, mplayer2.exe may still be on the PC. 2: Search for a program called "asfrecorder" to be able to save streaming video. You can download and save a Broad Band stream and watch it later. (only works with windows media files I think) -- Ian P <email invalid due to spam> "mark jeangerard" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:aKD28.82056$[email hidden]... > I'm using 98SE. Here are my reasons, bearing in mind that I am NOT a > computer whiz: > > 3. I DLed Media Player7 and it would not allow me to save or even review > media files in any other manner than streaming, which don't work at 56k. I > fear that any new MS software may act accordingly. >

Personally, I like the way Dave even pisses off the guys who agree with him. -- Pat Dotson Mark Jeangerard wrote: > > Oh yeah, I'm generally loved on VROC. They can't wait until I show up. Got presents from > everyone on Christmas. > > -- > > Mark Jeangerard > [email hidden] > Administrator - GPVL F2 > http://home.att.net/~m.jeangerard/GPVLF2 > "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:qZE28.4684$[email hidden]... > > Yea well, I guess it helps that you do some ass slapping with the GPL boys > > on VROC. > > > > David G Fisher > > > > > > "mark jeangerard" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:dLD28.82093$[email hidden]... > > > I have been getting the same shit that you have, I simply go for less > > > quantity. > > > > > > -- > > > > > > "Racing! - Science for the action minded." > > > > > > mark > > > > > > "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > news:qUo28.2766$[email hidden]... > > > > Do you have any idea how much f**ken sh*t I've taken over the past four > > > > years for saying what you have about CPR and GPL? Any idea at all???? > > :-( > > > > > > > > David G Fisher > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

I like your inability to follow the sequence of events. It's all below. David G Fisher "Pat Dotson" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> Personally, I like the way Dave even pisses off the guys > who agree with him. > > -- > Pat Dotson > > Mark Jeangerard wrote: > > > > Oh yeah, I'm generally loved on VROC. They can't wait until I show up.

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> > > on VROC. > > > > > > David G Fisher > > > > > > > > > "mark jeangerard" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > news:dLD28.82093$[email hidden]... > > > > I have been getting the same shit that you have, I simply go for

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I follow it all. What don't you understand? Maybe "pisses off" is overstating it, but I read Mark's reply to you as sarcastic. -- PD David G Fisher wrote: > > I like your inability to follow the sequence of events. > > It's all below. > > David G Fisher > > "Pat Dotson" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > Personally, I like the way Dave even pisses off the guys > > who agree with him. > > > > -- > > Pat Dotson > > > > Mark Jeangerard wrote: > > > > > > Oh yeah, I'm generally loved on VROC. They can't wait until I show up. > Got presents from > > > everyone on Christmas. > > > > > > -- > > > > > > Mark Jeangerard > > > [email hidden] > > > Administrator - GPVL F2 > > > http://home.att.net/~m.jeangerard/GPVLF2 > > > "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > news:qZE28.4684$[email hidden]... > > > > Yea well, I guess it helps that you do some ass slapping with the GPL > boys > > > > on VROC. > > > > > > > > David G Fisher > > > > > > > > > > > > "mark jeangerard" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > > news:dLD28.82093$[email hidden]... > > > > > I have been getting the same shit that you have, I simply go for > less > > > > > quantity. > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > "Racing! - Science for the action minded." > > > > > > > > > > mark > > > > > > > > > > "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > > > news:qUo28.2766$[email hidden]... > > > > > > Do you have any idea how much f**ken sh*t I've taken over the past > four > > > > > > years for saying what you have about CPR and GPL? Any idea at > all???? > > > > :-( > > > > > > > > > > > > David G Fisher > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

He was sarcastic towards me with his initial AND follow up reply. That's why I took a shot at him. Wrong of me? I'm glad you liked it though. David G Fisher "Pat Dotson" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> I follow it all. What don't you understand? Maybe "pisses > off" is overstating it, but I read Mark's reply to you as > sarcastic. > -- > PD > > > David G Fisher wrote: > > > > I like your inability to follow the sequence of events. > > > > It's all below. > > > > David G Fisher > > > > "Pat Dotson" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:[email hidden]... > > > Personally, I like the way Dave even pisses off the guys > > > who agree with him. > > > > > > -- > > > Pat Dotson > > > > > > Mark Jeangerard wrote: > > > > > > > > Oh yeah, I'm generally loved on VROC. They can't wait until I show

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> > Got presents from > > > > everyone on Christmas. > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > Mark Jeangerard > > > > [email hidden] > > > > Administrator - GPVL F2 > > > > http://home.att.net/~m.jeangerard/GPVLF2 > > > > "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > > news:qZE28.4684$[email hidden]... > > > > > Yea well, I guess it helps that you do some ass slapping with the

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> > boys > > > > > on VROC. > > > > > > > > > > David G Fisher > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "mark jeangerard" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > > > news:dLD28.82093$[email hidden]... > > > > > > I have been getting the same shit that you have, I simply go for > > less > > > > > > quantity. > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > > > "Racing! - Science for the action minded." > > > > > > > > > > > > mark > > > > > > > > > > > > "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > > > > news:qUo28.2766$[email hidden]... > > > > > > > Do you have any idea how much f**ken sh*t I've taken over the

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> > four > > > > > > > years for saying what you have about CPR and GPL? Any idea at > > all???? > > > > > :-( > > > > > > > > > > > > > > David G Fisher > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

See that's why everyone HATED CPR. Because at the time, the fixes just weren't there. It absolutely sucked. You had to be a hex editor to get any decent driving. And EVEN with all the hacks and fixes you mentioned below, does any of that help the hapless AI??? dave henrie "Gerry Aitken" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> > > mark jeangerard wrote: > > > Most important things: > > MS Patch > > Car Setup > > Triglide.dll (If you don't have it email me at [email hidden].) > > CTFJ3 > > FOV Buttons >

"Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:sPM28.6614$[email hidden]... > See that's why everyone HATED CPR. Because at the time, the fixes just > weren't there. It absolutely sucked. You had to be a hex editor to getany > decent driving. Worked fine for me. AI wasn't great but otherwise never had any problems. Even during beta testing. What's so odd about recommending good setups and the installation of a patch anyway? David G Fisher

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> And EVEN with all the hacks and fixes you mentioned below, > does any of that help the hapless AI??? > dave henrie > "Gerry Aitken" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > > > > > mark jeangerard wrote: > > > > > Most important things: > > > MS Patch > > > Car Setup > > > Triglide.dll (If you don't have it email me at [email hidden].) > > > CTFJ3 > > > FOV Buttons > > > >

No, I wasn't being sarcastic in the first reply. You may notice that I don't post as many inflammatory messages about GPL or CPR as you do. It's a volume thing. I still get the same crap that you do most of the time. People are passionate about their software. I think that's cool. And when I think a lot of people are going overboard I may say something. But I usually save my remarks for when they will benefit me. For instance, I think N4 is a giant steaming turd. Now, I don't give a rats ass about circle jerks so why mention it? But almost every time I've ragged GPL, I've gotten tons of tips that make it better for me. Not all can be cured, but I have found much enjoyment from the input I've gotten here, no matter what tone it was given in. The second one was strictly sarcastic. I don't slap anyone's ass. Jocks are latent homos and women deserve more respect than that. -- Mark Jeangerard "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:fGM28.5647$[email hidden]... > He was sarcastic towards me with his initial AND follow up reply. That's why > I took a shot at him. Wrong of me? I'm glad you liked it though. > > David G Fisher > > > "Pat Dotson" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > I follow it all. What don't you understand? Maybe "pisses > > off" is overstating it, but I read Mark's reply to you as > > sarcastic. > > -- > > PD > > > > > > David G Fisher wrote: > > > > > > I like your inability to follow the sequence of events. > > > > > > It's all below. > > > > > > David G Fisher > > > > > > "Pat Dotson" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > news:[email hidden]... > > > > Personally, I like the way Dave even pisses off the guys > > > > who agree with him. > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Pat Dotson > > > > > > > > Mark Jeangerard wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Oh yeah, I'm generally loved on VROC. They can't wait until I show > up. > > > Got presents from > > > > > everyone on Christmas. > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > Mark Jeangerard > > > > > [email hidden] > > > > > Administrator - GPVL F2 > > > > > http://home.att.net/~m.jeangerard/GPVLF2 > > > > > "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > > > news:qZE28.4684$[email hidden]... > > > > > > Yea well, I guess it helps that you do some ass slapping with the > GPL > > > boys > > > > > > on VROC. > > > > > > > > > > > > David G Fisher > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "mark jeangerard" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > > > > news:dLD28.82093$[email hidden]... > > > > > > > I have been getting the same shit that you have, I simply go for > > > less > > > > > > > quantity. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Racing! - Science for the action minded." > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mark > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > > > > > news:qUo28.2766$[email hidden]... > > > > > > > > Do you have any idea how much f**ken sh*t I've taken over the > past > > > four > > > > > > > > years for saying what you have about CPR and GPL? Any idea at > > > all???? > > > > > > :-( > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > David G Fisher > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

Your comment "I simply go for less quantity" was a shot at me. It's wrong too. Didn't bother me though. Pat apparently didn't understand why I responded the way I did. BTW, you have posted a lot more inflammatory messages about GPL than I have. I rarely enter into a GPL thread. Google will prove it if you want to check. As for CPR, I've barely mentioned it in years. You sound like Eldred now. David G Fisher "Mark Jeangerard" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:a2g7h5$skd$[email hidden]... > No, I wasn't being sarcastic in the first reply. You may notice that Idon't post as many > inflammatory messages about GPL or CPR as you do. It's a volume thing. Istill get the > same crap that you do most of the time. People are passionate about theirsoftware. I > think that's cool. And when I think a lot of people are going overboard Imay say > something. But I usually save my remarks for when they will benefit me.For instance, I > think N4 is a giant steaming turd. Now, I don't give a rats ass aboutcircle jerks so why > mention it? But almost every time I've ragged GPL, I've gotten tons oftips that make it > better for me. Not all can be cured, but I have found much enjoyment fromthe input I've > gotten here, no matter what tone it was given in. > > The second one was strictly sarcastic. I don't slap anyone's ass. Jocksare latent homos

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> > I took a shot at him. Wrong of me? I'm glad you liked it though. > > > > David G Fisher > > > > > > "Pat Dotson" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:[email hidden]... > > > I follow it all. What don't you understand? Maybe "pisses > > > off" is overstating it, but I read Mark's reply to you as > > > sarcastic. > > > -- > > > PD > > > > > > > > > David G Fisher wrote: > > > > > > > > I like your inability to follow the sequence of events. > > > > > > > > It's all below. > > > > > > > > David G Fisher > > > > > > > > "Pat Dotson" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > > news:[email hidden]... > > > > > Personally, I like the way Dave even pisses off the guys > > > > > who agree with him. > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > Pat Dotson > > > > > > > > > > Mark Jeangerard wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Oh yeah, I'm generally loved on VROC. They can't wait until I

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> > up. > > > > Got presents from > > > > > > everyone on Christmas. > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > > > Mark Jeangerard > > > > > > [email hidden] > > > > > > Administrator - GPVL F2 > > > > > > http://home.att.net/~m.jeangerard/GPVLF2 > > > > > > "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > > > > news:qZE28.4684$[email hidden]... > > > > > > > Yea well, I guess it helps that you do some ass slapping with

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> > > > less > > > > > > > > quantity. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Racing! - Science for the action minded." > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mark > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > > > > > > news:qUo28.2766$[email hidden]... > > > > > > > > > Do you have any idea how much f**ken sh*t I've taken over

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> > > > all???? > > > > > > > :-( > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > David G Fisher > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

DGF stands corrected. Hehe. Some things never change. CPR. Damn, I really wanted to like it. After re-installing it several times over the years to see if my impression would change, I just can't get into it. It wasn't for lack of effort. I even created some tracks for CPR. Honestly, even today, RACER feels more finished than CPR. -- Pat Dotson Mark Jeangerard wrote: > > No, I wasn't being sarcastic in the first reply. You may notice that I don't post as many > inflammatory messages about GPL or CPR as you do. It's a volume thing. I still get the > same crap that you do most of the time. People are passionate about their software. I > think that's cool. And when I think a lot of people are going overboard I may say > something. But I usually save my remarks for when they will benefit me. For instance, I > think N4 is a giant steaming turd. Now, I don't give a rats ass about circle jerks so why > mention it? But almost every time I've ragged GPL, I've gotten tons of tips that make it > better for me. Not all can be cured, but I have found much enjoyment from the input I've > gotten here, no matter what tone it was given in. > > The second one was strictly sarcastic. I don't slap anyone's ass. Jocks are latent homos > and women deserve more respect than that. > -- > > Mark Jeangerard > > "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:fGM28.5647$[email hidden]... > > He was sarcastic towards me with his initial AND follow up reply. That's why > > I took a shot at him. Wrong of me? I'm glad you liked it though. > > > > David G Fisher > > > > > > "Pat Dotson" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:[email hidden]... > > > I follow it all. What don't you understand? Maybe "pisses > > > off" is overstating it, but I read Mark's reply to you as > > > sarcastic. > > > -- > > > PD > > > > > > > > > David G Fisher wrote: > > > > > > > > I like your inability to follow the sequence of events. > > > > > > > > It's all below. > > > > > > > > David G Fisher > > > > > > > > "Pat Dotson" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > > news:[email hidden]... > > > > > Personally, I like the way Dave even pisses off the guys > > > > > who agree with him. > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > Pat Dotson > > > > > > > > > > Mark Jeangerard wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Oh yeah, I'm generally loved on VROC. They can't wait until I show > > up. > > > > Got presents from > > > > > > everyone on Christmas. > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > > > Mark Jeangerard > > > > > > [email hidden] > > > > > > Administrator - GPVL F2 > > > > > > http://home.att.net/~m.jeangerard/GPVLF2 > > > > > > "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > > > > news:qZE28.4684$[email hidden]... > > > > > > > Yea well, I guess it helps that you do some ass slapping with the > > GPL > > > > boys > > > > > > > on VROC. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > David G Fisher > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "mark jeangerard" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > > > > > news:dLD28.82093$[email hidden]... > > > > > > > > I have been getting the same shit that you have, I simply go for > > > > less > > > > > > > > quantity. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Racing! - Science for the action minded." > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mark > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > > > > > > news:qUo28.2766$[email hidden]... > > > > > > > > > Do you have any idea how much f**ken sh*t I've taken over the > > past > > > > four > > > > > > > > > years for saying what you have about CPR and GPL? Any idea at > > > > all???? > > > > > > > :-( > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > David G Fisher > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

Can you ever stop being a jerk? Is this just fun for you, to keep dragging things out? You just won't stop. I look forward to your response, but won't be replying. At least not unless you say something really interesting, which would be out of character. [this should be good] -- Pat Dotson David G Fisher wrote: > > Your comment "I simply go for less quantity" was a shot at me. It's wrong > too. Didn't bother me though. Pat apparently didn't understand why I > responded the way I did. BTW, you have posted a lot more inflammatory > messages about GPL than I have. I rarely enter into a GPL thread. Google > will prove it if you want to check. As for CPR, I've barely mentioned it in > years. You sound like Eldred now. > > David G Fisher > > "Mark Jeangerard" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:a2g7h5$skd$[email hidden]... > > No, I wasn't being sarcastic in the first reply. You may notice that I > don't post as many > > inflammatory messages about GPL or CPR as you do. It's a volume thing. I > still get the > > same crap that you do most of the time. People are passionate about their > software. I > > think that's cool. And when I think a lot of people are going overboard I > may say > > something. But I usually save my remarks for when they will benefit me. > For instance, I > > think N4 is a giant steaming turd. Now, I don't give a rats ass about > circle jerks so why > > mention it? But almost every time I've ragged GPL, I've gotten tons of > tips that make it > > better for me. Not all can be cured, but I have found much enjoyment from > the input I've > > gotten here, no matter what tone it was given in. > > > > The second one was strictly sarcastic. I don't slap anyone's ass. Jocks > are latent homos > > and women deserve more respect than that. > > -- > > > > Mark Jeangerard

If you and Mark would stop being wrong, and accusing me of things that aren't true, I wouldn't have to keep replying. Understand? David G Fisher "Pat Dotson" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> Can you ever stop being a jerk? Is this just fun for you, > to keep dragging things out? You just won't stop. > > I look forward to your response, but won't be replying. > At least not unless you say something really interesting, > which would be out of character. > > [this should be good] > -- > Pat Dotson > > David G Fisher wrote: > > > > Your comment "I simply go for less quantity" was a shot at me. It's

wrong > > too. Didn't bother me though. Pat apparently didn't understand why I > > responded the way I did. BTW, you have posted a lot more inflammatory > > messages about GPL than I have. I rarely enter into a GPL thread. Google > > will prove it if you want to check. As for CPR, I've barely mentioned itin

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> > years. You sound like Eldred now. > > > > David G Fisher > > > > "Mark Jeangerard" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:a2g7h5$skd$[email hidden]... > > > No, I wasn't being sarcastic in the first reply. You may notice that I > > don't post as many > > > inflammatory messages about GPL or CPR as you do. It's a volume thing.

I > > still get the > > > same crap that you do most of the time. People are passionate abouttheir > > software. I > > > think that's cool. And when I think a lot of people are goingoverboard I > > may say > > > something. But I usually save my remarks for when they will benefitme. > > For instance, I > > > think N4 is a giant steaming turd. Now, I don't give a rats ass about > > circle jerks so why > > > mention it? But almost every time I've ragged GPL, I've gotten tons of > > tips that make it > > > better for me. Not all can be cured, but I have found much enjoymentfrom > > the input I've > > > gotten here, no matter what tone it was given in. > > > > > > The second one was strictly sarcastic. I don't slap anyone's ass.Jocks > > are latent homos > > > and women deserve more respect than that. > > > -- > > > > > > Mark Jeangerard

David G Fisher wrote: > > Your comment "I simply go for less quantity" was a shot at me. It's wrong > too. Didn't bother me though. Pat apparently didn't understand why I > responded the way I did. BTW, you have posted a lot more inflammatory > messages about GPL than I have. I rarely enter into a GPL thread. This *may* be true. AFAIR, most of your GPL slams appear in other threads. -- Fester

David G Fisher wrote: <TEXT AND UNNECESSARY QUOTES SNIPPED> Lost the ability to edit your crap replies, have you? The post you made in reply to Pat was untidy, like your mind! Pompously yours GDA

In article <yxN28.5908$[email hidden]>, "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> writes: >As for CPR, I've barely mentioned it in >years. You sound like Eldred now. Waitaminute... Leave me OUT of this. I don't even *have* CPR...<g> Eldred -- Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPLRank - under construction... Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

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> > In article <yxN28.5908$[email hidden]>, "David G Fisher" > <[email hidden]> writes: > > >As for CPR, I've barely mentioned it in > >years. You sound like Eldred now. > > Waitaminute... Leave me OUT of this. I don't even *have* CPR...<g>

You can have my copy! <g> -- Fester "Is it that we need a nobrainer Linux desktop OS for people with no brains or should people do a little more reading and smarten up?" from alt.linux.mandrake NG

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>EldredP wrote: >> >> In article <yxN28.5908$[email hidden]>, "David G >Fisher" >> <[email hidden]> writes: >> >> >As for CPR, I've barely mentioned it in >> >years. You sound like Eldred now. >> >> Waitaminute... Leave me OUT of this. I don't even *have* CPR...<g> > > >You can have my copy! <g>

Come on - it can't be THAT bad...? Eldred -- Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPLRank - under construction... Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

>>You can have my copy! <g> > >Come on - it can't be THAT bad...? > >Eldred Ohhhh yes it can :) I think SOS 1937 was modelled on it :-P Rafe Mc

Funny, upgrading had sort of the opposite effect for me, but we're talking apples and oranges here, as I went from a wacked-out Toshiba PIII-500 notebook with a dodgy Savage graphics card to a 1GHz notebook with a mobile GeForce2. Being able to run GPL at a constant 36fps at 1280x1024, and with track and car upgrades, really brought it alive for me. I think the cars are beautiful, and I love the way I can go wheel to wheel through three corners. I'm a mech. engineer and dabble a lot with dynamic simulations (other people's products, I'm no programmer sadly) and I really like the way there is a cause and effect relationship for everything which happens in GPL, from suspension motion to body motion etc. It's not perfect, but no simulation is. In then end, it's the racing experience which keeps me hooked to GPL, even more so now. Oh, and the fact that I can take it on the road with me with only 200Mb of disc space... I loaded up all my old favourites like NFS:PU, Nascar Heat, SBK2000, various rally sims, and was certainly impressed with the high framerates, lush graphics etc., but in the end they were dull and were removed from my HD. GP3-2000 was the big dissapointment for me, because it just won't run well under Windows XP with the GeForce chip. I like the OS too much to either ditch it or have the hassle of a dual boot, so I guess I'll never know how much better GP3 could be. I loved it on my Toshiba.. guess I'll wait for GP4 or a demo of F1-2001. cheers Stephen "mark jeangerard" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:LCo28.65840$[email hidden]... > > ...computer. > > Been a few weeks actually. I bought an Athlon 1600XP+, MSI K7T266 Pro2(non > RAID), 256mb of 266DDR ram (The guy said I wanted 2100 speed, I said I > thought 266 was the speed, he said don't think and take the 2100, I did.),a > USR PCI 56k modem, Sound Blaster PCI512, Cambridge FPS1800 4.1 speaker

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> > In article <[email hidden]>, Uncle Fester <[email hidden]> > writes: > > >EldredP wrote: > >> > >> In article <yxN28.5908$[email hidden]>, "David G > >Fisher" > >> <[email hidden]> writes: > >> > >> >As for CPR, I've barely mentioned it in > >> >years. You sound like Eldred now. > >> > >> Waitaminute... Leave me OUT of this. I don't even *have* CPR...<g> > > > > > >You can have my copy! <g> > > Come on - it can't be THAT bad...?

Got it at a computer show at Gibraltar Trade Center some time back for $6. Felt ripped off even at that price. :-P In all fairness, the sound & the sensation of speed are top notch. Controller feel sucked big time. And the AI....... probably the most disappointing aspect of all. -- Fester "Is it that we need a nobrainer Linux desktop OS for people with no brains or should people do a little more reading and smarten up?" from alt.linux.mandrake NG

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>>>You can have my copy! <g> >> >>Come on - it can't be THAT bad...? >> >>Eldred > >Ohhhh yes it can :) > >I think SOS 1937 was modelled on it :-P >

Hehe... I'm considering calling Fester's bluff. I live close enough to him I could pick it up in person...<G> Eldred -- Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPLRank - under construction... Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

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> > In article <[email hidden]>, Rafe McAuliffe > <[email hidden]> writes: > > >>>You can have my copy! <g> > >> > >>Come on - it can't be THAT bad...? > >> > >>Eldred > > > >Ohhhh yes it can :) > > > >I think SOS 1937 was modelled on it :-P > > > > Hehe... I'm considering calling Fester's bluff. I live close enough to him I > could pick it up in person...<G>

No problemo. :-) It's right here beside me, even have the manual to it. -- Fester "Is it that we need a nobrainer Linux desktop OS for people with no brains or should people do a little more reading and smarten up?" from alt.linux.mandrake NG

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> >> Hehe... I'm considering calling Fester's bluff. I live close enough to >him I >> could pick it up in person...<G> > > >No problemo. :-) It's right here beside me, even have the manual to it. >

Done! Send me your address in an e-mail...<g>

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>-- > >Fester > >"Is it that we need a nobrainer Linux desktop OS for people with no >brains or should people do a little more reading and smarten up?" > from alt.linux.mandrake NG

That's funny! But since at work I have to deal with students trying this(Linux), I'd RATHER it was a no-brainer... You wouldn't BELIEVE some of the things that go wrong with them on our network... :( Eldred -- Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPLRank - under construction... Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.