Is 15" flat panel a no go for GPL because of the lower refresh rate?
CRT all the way. Any delay between your inputs and when you see them can
only hurt you.
Jesse
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> Is 15" flat panel a no go for GPL because of the lower refresh rate?
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> Is 15" flat panel a no go for GPL because of the lower refresh rate?
LCD doesn't a have a refresh rate really. I know stores say 1280x1024@60hz
etc. but there is no refresh of the screen. The pixels are redrawn and is
measured in ms.
http://www4.tomshardware.com/display/02q1/020114/lcd-26.html
CRT or LCD
As we mentioned in the preceding pages, LCD monitors still can't hold a
candle to CRTs in terms of quality. Granted, their geometry is flawless,
they shrug off magnetic fields and they are astonishingly compact. However,
their response times and their effective color range are just too limited.
Graphic artists shouldn't even consider picking up one of these gadgets,
since they would only risk disappointment.
Have a look at this page to see various LCD monitors and their response time
specs. They are not all equal and the Eizo model might be perfectly adequate
for gaming, but because of the poorer contrast gradations of LCD I would
never buy one myself until they imrove in this area, if they can.
http://www4.tomshardware.com/display/02q1/020114/lcd-24.html
LCDs don't "scale" very well, either. That is, most of them have a native
resolution of 1024x768, and they look fine @ that rez, but not at anything
above or below. Why? Because pixels aren't *drawn* on a LCD; they *are*
the LCD. Each pixel is a discrete physical element, so when they have to
draw the screen at another rez, they have to emulate. The only other rez
that would look good would be 512x384 'cuz it divides nicely into 1024x768
(even 2048x1536 wouldn't cut it, even if it could handle the referesh rate,
'cuz one pixel can't really look like two); @ every other rez, everything
else--particularly text-- looks fuzzy. Ganz klaar?
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> Is 15" flat panel a no go for GPL because of the lower refresh rate?
Ack! Some simple math will tell you that at GPL's max frame rate of 36
fps, the LCD response time will have to be less than 28 ms or you will
be missing frames. There are only 2 in that article that qualify, the
Viewsonic and the Eizo. At 25 ms, even those would not be capable of
properly displaying any game that ran faster than 40 fps.
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> ".." <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> > Is 15" flat panel a no go for GPL because of the lower refresh rate?
>
> LCD doesn't a have a refresh rate really. I know stores say1280x1024@60hz
> etc. but there is no refresh of the screen. The pixels are redrawn andis
> measured in ms.
>
> http://www4.tomshardware.com/display/02q1/020114/lcd-26.html
> CRT or LCD
> As we mentioned in the preceding pages, LCD monitors still can't holda
> candle to CRTs in terms of quality. Granted, their geometry isflawless,
> they shrug off magnetic fields and they are astonishingly compact.However,
> their response times and their effective color range are just toolimited.
> Graphic artists shouldn't even consider picking up one of thesegadgets,
> since they would only risk disappointment.
>
>
>
> Have a look at this page to see various LCD monitors and theirresponse time
> specs. They are not all equal and the Eizo model might be perfectlyadequate
> for gaming, but because of the poorer contrast gradations of LCD Iwould
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> never buy one myself until they imrove in this area, if they can. > > http://www4.tomshardware.com/display/02q1/020114/lcd-24.html > > > > > > > > >Given that GPL maxes at 37fps, I am wrong to think that any flat panel with
27ms response time of better is fine?
Also, even if response time is, say, 40ms - which is now typical - is this a
problem as the game is still responding at 37fps, even if showing 25fps. I
don't know about others but I cannot time my breaking point to .01s
(difference between 37fps/25fps) purely on screen feedback, I'm more on
relative speed / position on track etc.
I also seem to remember reading somewhere that the human eye cannot
distinguish any difference after ~30fps, and that the subjective difference
reported after that was more due to other factors such as control response
getting worse as system load increased of FPS dropped momentarily.
Just my 2p.
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> Is 15" flat panel a no go for GPL because of the lower refresh rate?
Nigel,
There are many fine film editors in Hollywood that can spot a negative
scratch in FF on a Steenbeck flatbed--abt. 384 fps.
--Steve Smith
"Nigel Taylor" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> Given that GPL maxes at 37fps, I am wrong to think that any flat panelwith
> 27ms response time of better is fine?
>
> Also, even if response time is, say, 40ms - which is now typical - is thisa
> problem as the game is still responding at 37fps, even if showing 25fps.I
> don't know about others but I cannot time my breaking point to .01s
> (difference between 37fps/25fps) purely on screen feedback, I'm more on
> relative speed / position on track etc.
>
> I also seem to remember reading somewhere that the human eye cannot
> distinguish any difference after ~30fps, and that the subjectivedifference
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> reported after that was more due to other factors such as control response > getting worse as system load increased of FPS dropped momentarily. > > Just my 2p. > > ".." <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > Is 15" flat panel a no go for GPL because of the lower refresh rate? > >
"Nigel Taylor" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> I also seem to remember reading somewhere that the human eye cannot
> distinguish any difference after ~30fps, and that the subjectivedifference
> reported after that was more due to other factors such as control response
> getting worse as system load increased of FPS dropped momentarily.
Misinformation.
Can't say about GPL but... I wont go back to CRT running N4. I have 15" Iiyama
Pro Lite 38c flat panel
Samsung 18'' TFT here.... I wouldn't go back.. The picture quality is
amazing.... Although all TFT's are not equal.... I have see some really dodgy
15''.. The larger screens are a lot better..
Scott
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> Can't say about GPL but... I wont go back to CRT running N4. I have 15"
> Iiyama Pro Lite 38c flat panel
