good grief, Hans Stuck ran a 7:49 at the Nordschleife in a BMW SUV

granted, it's an experimental edition of the X5 with 12 cylinders and 700hp, but that time beats my GPL time all to hell. :-( http://www.kabel1.de/tv/auto/service/260102/lemans/02/ video on the main page at http://www.kabel1.de/tv/auto/service/260102/lemans/00/#

AFAIK, the lower (southern) end of the Nordschleife has been truncated by the construction of the Neue Nuerburgring, so the track is no longer 14.189 miles (as in GPL). Still, it's an impressive performance for a freakin' sedan, even if it does have a Monster Motor! Too bad BMW went off in a huff when their measly V8-powered "cheater" M3 was hobbled this year in the ALMS. "Searcher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:RmB58.12991$[email hidden]... > granted, it's an experimental edition of the X5 with 12 cylinders and700hp,

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> but that time beats my GPL time all to hell. :-( > > http://www.kabel1.de/tv/auto/service/260102/lemans/02/ > > video on the main page at > http://www.kabel1.de/tv/auto/service/260102/lemans/00/# > > > > >

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> AFAIK, the lower (southern) end of the Nordschleife has been > truncated by the construction of the Neue Nuerburgring, so > the track is no longer 14.189 miles (as in GPL). Still, > it's an impressive performance for a freakin' sedan, even if > it does have a Monster Motor! Too bad BMW went off in a > huff when their measly V8-powered "cheater" M3 was hobbled > this year in the ALMS.

The old pit straight, 180 degree u-turn and run behind the pits has been removed. You now exit the final chicane just before the GPL pit straight and make an immediate right turn and join the track where, in GPL, you make a left behind the pits. -Dirt-

Chris, So that woulda taken away abt.--what?--a click of what had been a--what?--23k circuit. Maybe 30-40 sec., tops? Giving him what otherwise woulda been--what?--an 8:20, 8:30 lap? Good...but not GREAT. --Steve "Dirt" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> > AFAIK, the lower (southern) end of the Nordschleife has been > > truncated by the construction of the Neue Nuerburgring, so > > the track is no longer 14.189 miles (as in GPL). Still, > > it's an impressive performance for a freakin' sedan, even if > > it does have a Monster Motor! Too bad BMW went off in a > > huff when their measly V8-powered "cheater" M3 was hobbled > > this year in the ALMS. > > > The old pit straight, 180 degree u-turn and run behind the pits > has been removed. You now exit the final chicane just before > the GPL pit straight and make an immediate right turn and join > the track where, in GPL, you make a left behind the pits. > > -Dirt-

<Still, it's an impressive performance for a freakin' > sedan, I thought it was their SUV...?!

Art! Of course, yer right! It's basically a 5-series chassis with a tall body, but still, WHATTA RIDE! --Steve "Art McEwen" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:a371vm$fca$[email hidden]...

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> > <Still, it's an impressive performance for a freakin' > > sedan, > > I thought it was their SUV...?! > >

And the MclarenGTR engine...... "Stephen Smith" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:tYD58.269$[email hidden]...

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> Art! > > Of course, yer right! It's basically a 5-series chassis with a tall body, > but still, WHATTA RIDE! > > --Steve > > "Art McEwen" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:a371vm$fca$[email hidden]... > > > > <Still, it's an impressive performance for a freakin' > > > sedan, > > > > I thought it was their SUV...?! > > > > > >

Makes you kinda wonder...warum? "Sudesh Bhagwandin" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> And the MclarenGTR engine...... > > > "Stephen Smith" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:tYD58.269$[email hidden]... > > Art! > > > > Of course, yer right! It's basically a 5-series chassis with a tall

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> > but still, WHATTA RIDE! > > > > --Steve > > > > "Art McEwen" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:a371vm$fca$[email hidden]... > > > > > > <Still, it's an impressive performance for a freakin' > > > > sedan, > > > > > > I thought it was their SUV...?! > > > > > > > > > > > >

Makes you kinda wonder...warum?

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> And the MclarenGTR engine...... > > Art! > > Of course, yer right! It's basically a 5-series chassis with a tall

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> > but still, WHATTA RIDE! > > --Steve > > > <Still, it's an impressive performance for a freakin' > > > > sedan, > > > I thought it was their SUV...?!

Hope it comes equipped with barf bags for the body roll It would be funny to watch Stucky, he was probably playing with the CD changer the whole time.

"Stephen Smith" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:8sD58.36428$[email hidden]... > Chris, > > So that woulda taken away abt.--what?--a click of what had been > a--what?--23k circuit. Maybe 30-40 sec., tops? Giving him what otherwise > woulda been--what?--an 8:20, 8:30 lap? Good...but not GREAT. And that would still beat my GPL time. :-/

"Stephen Smith" <[email hidden]> writes: > AFAIK, the lower (southern) end of the Nordschleife has been truncated by > the construction of the Neue Nuerburgring, so the track is no longer 14.189 > miles (as in GPL). true. these days it's only 12.9 miles. :) -- Gunnar #31 SUCKS#015 Tupperware MC#002 DoD#0x1B DoDRT#003 DoD:CT#4,8 Kibo�: 2 gnus don't kill people. gnus-summary-lower-score kills people.

Mine too. "nobody special" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:NBG58.13312$[email hidden]...

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> > "Stephen Smith" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:8sD58.36428$[email hidden]... > > Chris, > > > > So that woulda taken away abt.--what?--a click of what had been > > a--what?--23k circuit. Maybe 30-40 sec., tops? Giving him what

otherwise > > woulda been--what?--an 8:20, 8:30 lap? Good...but not GREAT. > > And that would still beat my GPL time. :-/ >

So, it's 1.3 miles shorter--that's a lot. "Gunnar Horrigmo" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > "Stephen Smith" <[email hidden]> writes: > > > AFAIK, the lower (southern) end of the Nordschleife has been truncatedby > > the construction of the Neue Nuerburgring, so the track is no longer14.189

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> > miles (as in GPL). > > true. these days it's only 12.9 miles. :) > > > -- > Gunnar > #31 SUCKS#015 Tupperware MC#002 DoD#0x1B DoDRT#003 DoD:CT#4,8 Kibo�: 2 > gnus don't kill people. gnus-summary-lower-score kills people.

On Tue, 29 Jan 2002 20:18:12 GMT, "Stephen Smith" <[email hidden]> wrote: >Chris, > >So that woulda taken away abt.--what?--a click of what had been >a--what?--23k circuit. Maybe 30-40 sec., tops? Giving him what otherwise >woulda been--what?--an 8:20, 8:30 lap? Good...but not GREAT. Nordschleife 20,8 km Nordschleife+start-und-zielschleife: 22,835 km A 8:00 lap on the present nordschleife corresponds to about 8:46 on the nordschleife+start-und-zielschleife(as in the Grands Prix) given the same average speed. You'd probably have a slightly higher average speed on the start-und-ziel-shleife, though, so shall we say... 8:40? Best time on present Nordschleife: 6:11.13 , Stefan Bellof Porsche 956 Best time on 'old' Nordschleife w/F1: 6:58.6 , Niki Lauda Ferrari 312T Best time w/(street)bike, present NS: 7:49 , Helmut D�hne Misc. cars: <http://home.swipnet.se/~w-32546/nbring/laptimes%20for%20different%20cars.htm>

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> > The old pit straight, 180 degree u-turn and run behind the pits > has been removed. You now exit the final chicane just before > the GPL pit straight and make an immediate right turn and join > the track where, in GPL, you make a left behind the pits. > > -Dirt-

hmmm so looking at my times and the distance they removed...I just saved 2 minutes!!!! lol dave henrie

I remember hearing the first about this a few months ago in Autoweek... It's not the McLaren engine I don't think, I thought that was a V8, not a V12. It's the engine from the LeMans cars. Come on. So it's shorter. It's a SUV with a V12 and Hans Stuck busting off some bloody fast laps!!!! Milhouse "Searcher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:RmB58.12991$[email hidden]... > granted, it's an experimental edition of the X5 with 12 cylinders and700hp,

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> but that time beats my GPL time all to hell. :-( > > http://www.kabel1.de/tv/auto/service/260102/lemans/02/ > > video on the main page at > http://www.kabel1.de/tv/auto/service/260102/lemans/00/# > > > > >

Funny how in one paragraph they say it reached 311kph at the 'Ring, then in the next they say the top speed is 278. Stephen "Searcher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:RmB58.12991$[email hidden]... > granted, it's an experimental edition of the X5 with 12 cylinders and700hp,

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the engine from the Lm cars WAS the V12 "Milhouse" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:oUK58.15328$[email hidden]... > I remember hearing the first about this a few months ago in Autoweek... > > It's not the McLaren engine I don't think, I thought that was a V8, not a > V12. It's the engine from the LeMans cars. > > Come on. So it's shorter. It's a SUV with a V12 and Hans Stuck bustingoff

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> some bloody fast laps!!!! > > Milhouse > > "Searcher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:RmB58.12991$[email hidden]... > > granted, it's an experimental edition of the X5 with 12 cylinders and > 700hp, > > but that time beats my GPL time all to hell. :-( > > > > http://www.kabel1.de/tv/auto/service/260102/lemans/02/ > > > > video on the main page at > > http://www.kabel1.de/tv/auto/service/260102/lemans/00/# > > > > > > > > > > > >

Sudesh Bhagwandin <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > the engine from the Lm cars WAS the V12 Yeah, the BMW LMP V12, *not* the McLaren-Merc F1 car. Jonny

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> "Milhouse" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:oUK58.15328$[email hidden]... > > I remember hearing the first about this a few months ago in Autoweek... > > > > It's not the McLaren engine I don't think, I thought that was a V8, not a > > V12. It's the engine from the LeMans cars. > > > > Come on. So it's shorter. It's a SUV with a V12 and Hans Stuck busting > off > > some bloody fast laps!!!! > > > > Milhouse > > > > "Searcher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:RmB58.12991$[email hidden]... > > > granted, it's an experimental edition of the X5 with 12 cylinders and > > 700hp, > > > but that time beats my GPL time all to hell. :-( > > > > > > http://www.kabel1.de/tv/auto/service/260102/lemans/02/ > > > > > > video on the main page at > > > http://www.kabel1.de/tv/auto/service/260102/lemans/00/# > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

Wasn't there a site around just a few months ago that had a video of a guy with a porsche going around the ring at a commendable clip? I had it, don't remember where I got it though. Michael

No, the McLaren "F1" car, a road-going 3-seater (driver in the center) that raced in the GT class some years back. Was, and probably still is, the ultimate Supercar. Reeves Callaway spent a year perfecting a Chevy-based engine for it, but at the last minute they did a deal with BMW (now their bitter rival in the *real* F1). "Jonny Hodgson" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:mqX58.54914$[email hidden]... > > Sudesh Bhagwandin <[email hidden]> wrote in messagenews:[email hidden]...

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> > > 700hp, > > > > but that time beats my GPL time all to hell. :-( > > > > > > > > http://www.kabel1.de/tv/auto/service/260102/lemans/02/ > > > > > > > > video on the main page at > > > > http://www.kabel1.de/tv/auto/service/260102/lemans/00/# > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> I had it, don't remember where I got it though. probably http://www.motorcycle-dk.com/en/multimedia/ ? --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.320 / Virus Database: 179 - Release Date: 30/01/2002

Yeah, the F1LM is probably still the best supercar out. In the war for top speed, though, its days are numbered...the Bugatti Veyron should have it covered easily. (986hp does that...1001hp if you're European =) Personally, I'd take the cash and buy a nice garage and a fleet of muscle cars. ;) Milhouse "Stephen Smith" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:IfZ58.40903$[email hidden]... > No, the McLaren "F1" car, a road-going 3-seater (driver in the center)that

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> raced in the GT class some years back. Was, and probably still is, the > ultimate Supercar. Reeves Callaway spent a year perfecting a Chevy-based > engine for it, but at the last minute they did a deal with BMW (now their > bitter rival in the *real* F1). > > "Jonny Hodgson" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:mqX58.54914$[email hidden]... > > > > Sudesh Bhagwandin <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > > the engine from the Lm cars WAS the V12 > > > > Yeah, the BMW LMP V12, *not* the McLaren-Merc F1 car. > > > > Jonny > > > > > "Milhouse" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > news:oUK58.15328$[email hidden]... > > > > I remember hearing the first about this a few months ago in > Autoweek... > > > > > > > > It's not the McLaren engine I don't think, I thought that was a V8, > not a > > > > V12. It's the engine from the LeMans cars. > > > > > > > > Come on. So it's shorter. It's a SUV with a V12 and Hans Stuck > busting > > > off > > > > some bloody fast laps!!!! > > > > > > > > Milhouse > > > > > > > > "Searcher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > > news:RmB58.12991$[email hidden]... > > > > > granted, it's an experimental edition of the X5 with 12 cylinders > and > > > > 700hp, > > > > > but that time beats my GPL time all to hell. :-( > > > > > > > > > > http://www.kabel1.de/tv/auto/service/260102/lemans/02/ > > > > > > > > > > video on the main page at > > > > > http://www.kabel1.de/tv/auto/service/260102/lemans/00/# > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> Best time on present Nordschleife: 6:11.13 , Stefan Bellof Porsche 956 > > Best time on 'old' Nordschleife w/F1: 6:58.6 , Niki Lauda Ferrari 312T > > Best time w/(street)bike, present NS: 7:49 , Helmut D�hne Yeah, but Bellof was pretty special around there, look what he did in an F2 car:

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>Have just read something about the Nordschleife Formula 2 race in 1983: >Stefan Bellof (works Maurer) started from 3rd on the grid with a time a >few thousandths under 6m 30s. >He started well making up a place. He and the leader were passed somewhere >in Hatzenbach, but Bellof retook both a little further on and began to >build a big lead. So a fair bit of dicing early on. Near the end of the >lap Stefan had an impressive lead, but heading towards Hohenrain the >throttle cable broke and he coasted into the pits. So, with 200kms worth >of fuel on board, standing start from row two, to coasting over the line >in the pitlane... time?... around 6m 40s...

And... The F2 record is 7:06,510 for the 22,835 km version (incl. Start- und Zielschleife). By whom? Bellof of course, '82. Regazzonis F1 race record (Lauda's 6:58.6 was in qualifying) from '76 is 7:06,400 on the same track .... -- Cheers, Robin ................... `o^=o- http://www.oppositelock.freeserve.co.uk N�rburgring and Grand Prix Legends

> Best time on present Nordschleife: 6:11.13 , Stefan Bellof Porsche 956 > > Best time on 'old' Nordschleife w/F1: 6:58.6 , Niki Lauda Ferrari 312T > > Best time w/(street)bike, present NS: 7:49 , Helmut D�hne Yeah, but Bellof was pretty special around there, look what he did in an F2 car:

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>Have just read something about the Nordschleife Formula 2 race in 1983: >Stefan Bellof (works Maurer) started from 3rd on the grid with a time a >few thousandths under 6m 30s. >He started well making up a place. He and the leader were passed somewhere >in Hatzenbach, but Bellof retook both a little further on and began to >build a big lead. So a fair bit of dicing early on. Near the end of the >lap Stefan had an impressive lead, but heading towards Hohenrain the >throttle cable broke and he coasted into the pits. So, with 200kms worth >of fuel on board, standing start from row two, to coasting over the line >in the pitlane... time?... around 6m 40s...

And... The F2 record is 7:06,510 for the 22,835 km version (incl. Start- und Zielschleife). By whom? Bellof of course, '82. Regazzonis F1 race record (Lauda's 6:58.6 was in qualifying) from '76 is 7:06,400 on the same track .... -- Cheers, Robin ................... `o^=o- http://www.oppositelock.freeserve.co.uk N�rburgring and Grand Prix Legends

Robin, you made a typo here! Both of those Ring times were for 1975. arcman Robin Lord wrote: <snip>

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> Regazzonis F1 race record (Lauda's 6:58.6 was in qualifying) from '76 is > 7:06,400 on the same track .... > > -- > Cheers, > > Robin ................... `o^=o- > > http://www.oppositelock.freeserve.co.uk > N�rburgring and Grand Prix Legends

It isn't a sedan, it's a truck! The 400 hp sedan could do it a bit faster. Marc "Stephen Smith" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:mCC58.253$[email hidden]... > AFAIK, the lower (southern) end of the Nordschleife has been truncated by > the construction of the Neue Nuerburgring, so the track is no longer14.189 > miles (as in GPL). Still, it's an impressive performance for a freakin' > sedan, even if it does have a Monster Motor! Too bad BMW went off in ahuff > when their measly V8-powered "cheater" M3 was hobbled this year in theALMS.

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> > "Searcher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:RmB58.12991$[email hidden]... > > granted, it's an experimental edition of the X5 with 12 cylinders and > 700hp, > > but that time beats my GPL time all to hell. :-( > > > > http://www.kabel1.de/tv/auto/service/260102/lemans/02/ > > > > video on the main page at > > http://www.kabel1.de/tv/auto/service/260102/lemans/00/# > > > > > > > > > > > >

> Robin, you made a typo here! > Both of those Ring times were for 1975. > Oops sorry! Yes 1975 -- Cheers, Robin ................... `o^=o- http://www.oppositelock.freeserve.co.uk N�rburgring and Grand Prix Legends