GT Mod V2

Just downloaded the V2 mod - (having enjoyed the V1 mod for a number of weeks) and shock horror. I'm really disapointed. I'm sure it's down to the default setups - but all the cars are just crap to drive. I played the V1 release for house on end. 2 laps of Hungary and half a lap of Spa into V2 - and I'm figuring out how to go back to V1 again. What HAVE you done to the setups. It's like driving on ice with steel tyres Doug

THe setups that come with the mod by Ian and Doug are pretty much one size fits all tracks Ian said he was going to start making setups for each track sometime soon. You can make some simple changes like putting on soft tires for hotlapping and wing adjustments. Stiffen the suspension. Steering lock. BTW, try the Porsche GT-2 Turbo and maybe use the easy setup. Handles the best IMO. David G Fisher "Douglas Ellison" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:a3v747$1b5ucd$[email hidden]... > Just downloaded the V2 mod - (having enjoyed the V1 mod for a number of > weeks) and shock horror. > > I'm really disapointed. > > I'm sure it's down to the default setups - but all the cars are just crapto > drive. > > I played the V1 release for house on end. 2 laps of Hungary and half alap > of Spa into V2 - and I'm figuring out how to go back to V1 again. > > What HAVE you done to the setups. It's like driving on ice with steeltyres > > Doug > > >

Whoops That would be my fault then. All I can do is make them comfortable for me, and with one setup to cover all tracks for each car (well 2) they're never going to be perfect everywhere. Feel free to tune them to your liking Doug :-) What I will say though is that you are not going to transform the game from what you feel at the moment into a grippy joy from working the setups. Believe me I worked a Loong time on them. The setups are a little low for the bumpy tracks and a little high for some of the flat tracks. Try raising the rideheight 4 clicks back and front to ensure the car doesn't ride the bumpstops when loaded. Check you're not burning the tyres, run other compounds and see how that feels. Even though the grip may feel low, the cornering speeds and lap-times are just about spot on. The problem I think some people are having is that NO compromises were made to compensate for the restricted proprioceptive feedback that a sim inevitably has. The slip angles were set by the book as was tyre grip. BTW Doug, when you throw a few setups together, I'd appreciate it if you'd send them to me so I can pop them on the site. Plus you could try Doug Arnao's setups (with a DA after them) maybe they'd be more to your liking. I've also popped a new Viper setup here: http://www.simbin.com/f1-2001mod-setups.htm All the best Ian "Douglas Ellison" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:a3v747$1b5ucd$[email hidden]... > Just downloaded the V2 mod - (having enjoyed the V1 mod for a number of > weeks) and shock horror. > > I'm really disapointed. > > I'm sure it's down to the default setups - but all the cars are just crapto > drive. > > I played the V1 release for house on end. 2 laps of Hungary and half alap > of Spa into V2 - and I'm figuring out how to go back to V1 again. > > What HAVE you done to the setups. It's like driving on ice with steeltyres > > Doug > > >

Are you for real? Must be some kind of joke. How on earth can someone complain about such an awesome piece of software that quite obviously some people spent a ton of time developing, after only running 2-1/2 laps....and getting for FREE? Some people simply amaze me. Bob G "Douglas Ellison" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:a3v747$1b5ucd$[email hidden]... > Just downloaded the V2 mod - (having enjoyed the V1 mod for a number of > weeks) and shock horror. > > I'm really disapointed. > > I'm sure it's down to the default setups - but all the cars are just crapto > drive. > > I played the V1 release for house on end. 2 laps of Hungary and half alap > of Spa into V2 - and I'm figuring out how to go back to V1 again. > > What HAVE you done to the setups. It's like driving on ice with steeltyres > > Doug > > >

I just loaded the "DA" setups for each car I have tried so far...and they feel great!?!?! Marc "Douglas Ellison" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:a3v747$1b5ucd$[email hidden]... > Just downloaded the V2 mod - (having enjoyed the V1 mod for a number of > weeks) and shock horror. > > I'm really disapointed. > > I'm sure it's down to the default setups - but all the cars are just crapto > drive. > > I played the V1 release for house on end. 2 laps of Hungary and half alap > of Spa into V2 - and I'm figuring out how to go back to V1 again. > > What HAVE you done to the setups. It's like driving on ice with steeltyres > > Doug > > >

Here you go guys, try this and give me a bit of feedback (New Viper Setup). I think it tames most of the excesses from the Viper. PS. I'm linking to the frontpage as the URL is huge and will drop. www.simbin.com "Marc Collins" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:dXG88.21038$[email hidden]...

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> I just loaded the "DA" setups for each car I have tried so far...and they > feel great!?!?! > > Marc > > "Douglas Ellison" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:a3v747$1b5ucd$[email hidden]... > > Just downloaded the V2 mod - (having enjoyed the V1 mod for a number of > > weeks) and shock horror. > > > > I'm really disapointed. > > > > I'm sure it's down to the default setups - but all the cars are just

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> to > > drive. > > > > I played the V1 release for house on end. 2 laps of Hungary and half a > lap > > of Spa into V2 - and I'm figuring out how to go back to V1 again. > > > > What HAVE you done to the setups. It's like driving on ice with steel > tyres > > > > Doug > > > > > > > >

"Marc Collins" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:dXG88.21038$[email hidden]... > I just loaded the "DA" setups for each car I have tried so far...and they > feel great!?!?! >Except for theGT2 Porsche Mark. The wings need to be set to 7/7 at most tracks. it slipped through at 3/1 I believe....my screw up Thanks for the comments all :) --Doug

"Ian Bell" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:0BF88.5785$[email hidden]... > restricted proprioceptive feedback ... Goddammit where did I put my dictionary?!?!? ;o)

by and large the DA setups are the way to go, atleast initially. For the Viper they make a huge difference. For the heck of it I threw in the Viper Pro setup, wooooooooooahhhhh with this setup its all about throttle manipulation in the turns,, its a total blast but takes some getting used to. When I first loaded up this Mod I was a bit put off, the cars seemed a bit impossible to drive (and this is from someone who has been driving GPL for over 1.5 years) But once I got my wheel tweaked in via deadzone and sensitivity,, then mucked with each car and setup for another day, I finally clued in. This sim really demands alot of you but pays off once you get the hang of it.. these arean't 1967 era F1 cars and you shouldn't expect them to drive as such. They are totally different beasts, IMHO heads above SCGT, which was great for its time, but this is another level. After about 36 hours of driving I can say this Mod is quite well done,, bravo !! PS: watch out for the Viper, some give it a bad name, sure it bites with the least provocation but with the right caressing and soothing it can be tamed (well atleast for a few laps, hahhaha) cheers On Fri, 8 Feb 2002 00:46:08 -0000, "Douglas Ellison" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>Just downloaded the V2 mod - (having enjoyed the V1 mod for a number of >weeks) and shock horror. > >I'm really disapointed. > >I'm sure it's down to the default setups - but all the cars are just crap to >drive. > >I played the V1 release for house on end. 2 laps of Hungary and half a lap >of Spa into V2 - and I'm figuring out how to go back to V1 again. > >What HAVE you done to the setups. It's like driving on ice with steel tyres > >Doug > > >

"Haqsau" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:a3vi31$1b8q2t$[email hidden]... > "Ian Bell" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > restricted proprioceptive feedback ... > > Goddammit where did I put my dictionary?!?!? ;o) LOL, had to use babylon translator on that one as well (I'm from the Netherlands). I think he was trying to say that as far as realism is concerned, no compensations were made for the fact that you're not actually in a car, but most likely sitting in an office chair. Well, something like that... Ice D

Hi Doug, first, I'd like to explicitely thank the makers of this mod for giving this awesome piece of work to the public for free. This add on is better than many commercial games I've purchased. As for the setups - 2 laps at Hungary and half a lap at Spa aren't enough for anything. Drive ~50 laps on various tracks - by that time you'll understand what the car really does. Before you've done that and reached that level of understanding, it's like these cars speak a foreign language you don't understand. You don't understand what they're doing, and that causes your problems. You need to learn what the sim car is doing and how it expresses its actions, instead of expecting the car to do what you expect it to do, and to express itself how you'd expect it to express itself. That's none different btw when you take a new real sportscar (or motorcycle) to its limits. You need to gradually approach the limit, and it'll take quite a bit of time to actually know the limit, to understand what the car is doing, and to learn to feel and listen to the car. And of course to know what to do to make the car do what you want. You can trust Doug Arnao to have gotten the maximum possible realism out of this sim's physics engine. He knows what he's doing. Achim "Douglas Ellison" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:a3v747$1b5ucd$[email hidden]... > Just downloaded the V2 mod - (having enjoyed the V1 mod for a number of > weeks) and shock horror. > > I'm really disapointed. > > I'm sure it's down to the default setups - but all the cars are just crapto > drive. > > I played the V1 release for house on end. 2 laps of Hungary and half alap > of Spa into V2 - and I'm figuring out how to go back to V1 again. > > What HAVE you done to the setups. It's like driving on ice with steeltyres > > Doug > > >

"Bob G" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Are you for real? Must be some kind of joke. > > How on earth can someone complain about such an awesome piece of software > that quite obviously some people spent a ton of time developing, afteronly > running 2-1/2 laps....and getting for FREE? > > Some people simply amaze me. Read my post you idiot. I was not complaining about the product - I was complaining about the changes from V1 to V2 - which in essence - are tweeked physics. For me - the physics have gone downhill. Doug

Well let me see if I understand this correctly. I have spent a bit of time tweaking my controller settings and the setups, and while I'm certainly not going to set any hot lap records, I am having a great time driving this sim. You come out a blast the developers for their setups when you've only driven a few laps. So who is the idiot? <VBG> "Douglas Ellison" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:a41o5h$1br24k$[email hidden]... > > "Bob G" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > Are you for real? Must be some kind of joke. > > > > How on earth can someone complain about such an awesome piece ofsoftware

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> > that quite obviously some people spent a ton of time developing, after > only > > running 2-1/2 laps....and getting for FREE? > > > > Some people simply amaze me. > > Read my post you idiot. > > I was not complaining about the product - I was complaining about the > changes from V1 to V2 - which in essence - are tweeked physics. For me - > the physics have gone downhill. > > Doug > > >

Read my post you idiot. Is there really any need to call people names Douglas? I don't think so. I really wish more people would be more considerate of others............

Let he who has no sin ..... etc "David Brock" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Read my post you idiot. > > Is there really any need to call people names Douglas? I don't think so. I > really wish more people would be more considerate of others............ > >

"Bob G" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:3c64b0da$[email hidden]... > Well let me see if I understand this correctly. I have spent a bit oftime > tweaking my controller settings and the setups, and while I'm certainlynot > going to set any hot lap records, I am having a great time driving thissim. > > You come out a blast the developers for their setups when you've onlydriven > a few laps. > > So who is the idiot? <VBG> Evidently you are for not being prepeared to understand that SOME people have an opinion contrary to your own Doug

Let he who has no sin ..... etc Douglas, do ever remeber me publicly bad mouthing anyone? I don't think so. I agree with you in the fact that everyone is allowed to have their own oppion. I don't agree that it's ok to call someone a name because they question your oppion. I guess I replied origionally because as I travel the message boards of different racing communities the ammount of verbal abuse(in all the forums) has finally gotten to me.