Cars I want to see in any sim!

Number one is the 1954 Hudson Hornet. From 1950 to 1954, Hudson ruled the roost in NASCAR, taking home more wins than any other make. Those were the days of STOCK cars, REAL cars, not today's tube frame wonders that are a "Ford" this season and a "Chevy" the next. You bought them from the dealer, ripped out the interior and welded in a roll cage. All your hop up parts also came from the dealer. Second is the 1975 to 1977 Mustang II, both coupe and fastback. They are great with a 351 Windsor small block, heavy duty front and rear swaybars and gas charged shocks all around. Or go the other way and drop in a modern turbocharged 2.3 Liter four. The Mustang II is finally getting the respect it has always been due as a Mustang. Just check out the magazines like Mustang Monthly. Third is the 1971 AMC Javelin. Drop a 401 V8 in and watch it fly. Car Craft magazine has taken AMC to heart with a passion. Hardly an issue goes by without at least one American Motors article. Fourth for the "What the heck is that?!" factor is the AMC Matador Coupe. This slick beast was built to run wild on the NASCAR superspeedways. Unfortunately at the last second, AMC decided to get out of racing, leaving two lonely teams to fend for themselves. When they had fresh engines they won running away from the pack. Had AMC backed the teams there would have been an aerodynamic watershed in automotive design long before the 1984 Thunderbird banished "square" cars from NASCAR. Fifth is the original 1968 AMC AMX. This shortened, two seater Javelin was an extremely good answer to the musclecars from the "big three". This could be one of MCO's rare cars since the originals were quite limited in production. Sixth is the 1977 Lincoln Mark V Coupe. It's big, it's bad, it's smokin' fast at the drags with a hopped up 460 big block. It looks like it was designed with a ruler but it's definately a classic. And finally, the new Ford GT-40! Yes indeed, Ford has built two brand new, updated GT-40 cars. At first glance they look just like the 1960's Ferrari beaters but they've been slicked up and run a modified engine from the Lightning truck. Ford claims they have "Two Porsche Boxters worth of power". One word says it all. SWEEEEEEEET! (Cubic feet of luggage space, 0. Cars like it, 0.)

Do you know that the world is not only the USA ? Especially in cars where your record is far from impressive, talk to me about some Jaguar D and E, some 356, some 911, some 250 GTO...or even some M3 or M5 from nowadays... The funny point about US cars is that they are just like Miscrosoft and intel, NO optimization whatsoever, in your second point you mention a "351 WINDSOR SMALL BLOCK", if i do my math correctly a 351 block means a 5.6 Liter engine, and that would be a "SMALL"...in 1975-77, check out the 3L V6 from Ferrari that was in the lancia Stratos in 1971....probably half the size and double the power... Of course I do not take all this very seriously and i hope I won't be sent to X-RAY camp for "anti american" activism but sometimes if would be good for people to look around and realize that what they see around them can be MUCH improved in other countries, let's look at france and our president, the elections are in 3 months, if he loses he goes to jail, yes to jail, cause he's so much in shit for some BAAAD things he did in the past with public money, this example to tell you that just because I say american cars are far from being the best doens't mean i think we (french or europeans) are "better" than you... Have a good day anyway "Gregg E." <[email hidden]> a �crit dans le message de news: [email hidden]...

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> Number one is the 1954 Hudson Hornet. From 1950 to 1954, Hudson > ruled the roost in NASCAR, taking home more wins than any other > make. Those were the days of STOCK cars, REAL cars, not today's > tube frame wonders that are a "Ford" this season and a "Chevy" > the next. You bought them from the dealer, ripped out the interior > and welded in a roll cage. All your hop up parts also came from > the dealer. > > Second is the 1975 to 1977 Mustang II, both coupe and fastback. > They are great with a 351 Windsor small block, heavy duty front > and rear swaybars and gas charged shocks all around. Or go the > other way and drop in a modern turbocharged 2.3 Liter four. The > Mustang II is finally getting the respect it has always been due > as a Mustang. Just check out the magazines like Mustang Monthly. > > Third is the 1971 AMC Javelin. Drop a 401 V8 in and watch it > fly. Car Craft magazine has taken AMC to heart with a passion. > Hardly an issue goes by without at least one American Motors > article. > > Fourth for the "What the heck is that?!" factor is the AMC > Matador Coupe. This slick beast was built to run wild on the > NASCAR superspeedways. Unfortunately at the last second, AMC > decided to get out of racing, leaving two lonely teams to > fend for themselves. When they had fresh engines they won > running away from the pack. Had AMC backed the teams there > would have been an aerodynamic watershed in automotive design > long before the 1984 Thunderbird banished "square" cars from > NASCAR. > > Fifth is the original 1968 AMC AMX. This shortened, two > seater Javelin was an extremely good answer to the musclecars > from the "big three". This could be one of MCO's rare cars > since the originals were quite limited in production. > > Sixth is the 1977 Lincoln Mark V Coupe. It's big, it's bad, > it's smokin' fast at the drags with a hopped up 460 big block. > It looks like it was designed with a ruler but it's definately > a classic. > > And finally, the new Ford GT-40! Yes indeed, Ford has built > two brand new, updated GT-40 cars. At first glance they > look just like the 1960's Ferrari beaters but they've been > slicked up and run a modified engine from the Lightning truck. > Ford claims they have "Two Porsche Boxters worth of power". > One word says it all. SWEEEEEEEET! (Cubic feet of luggage > space, 0. Cars like it, 0.) >

I think he is only talking about American cars because that is what he is what he has actually seen on the streets. He is not trying to say anything about other countries, this is just what he wants. -Stuart Becktell "Txl" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:3c6a3675$0$4621$[email hidden]...

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> Do you know that the world is not only the USA ? > > Especially in cars where your record is far from impressive, talk to me > about some Jaguar D and E, some 356, some 911, some 250 GTO...or even some > M3 or M5 from nowadays... > > The funny point about US cars is that they are just like Miscrosoft and > intel, NO optimization whatsoever, in your second point you mention a "351 > WINDSOR SMALL BLOCK", if i do my math correctly a 351 block means a 5.6 > Liter engine, and that would be a "SMALL"...in 1975-77, check out the 3L

V6 > from Ferrari that was in the lancia Stratos in 1971....probably half the > size and double the power... > > Of course I do not take all this very seriously and i hope I won't be sent > to X-RAY camp for "anti american" activism but sometimes if would be good > for people to look around and realize that what they see around them canbe > MUCH improved in other countries, let's look at france and our president, > the elections are in 3 months, if he loses he goes to jail, yes to jail, > cause he's so much in shit for some BAAAD things he did in the past with > public money, this example to tell you that just because I say americancars

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> are far from being the best doens't mean i think we (french or europeans) > are "better" than you... > > Have a good day anyway > > > "Gregg E." <[email hidden]> a �crit dans le message de news: > [email hidden]... > > Number one is the 1954 Hudson Hornet. From 1950 to 1954, Hudson > > ruled the roost in NASCAR, taking home more wins than any other > > make. Those were the days of STOCK cars, REAL cars, not today's > > tube frame wonders that are a "Ford" this season and a "Chevy" > > the next. You bought them from the dealer, ripped out the interior > > and welded in a roll cage. All your hop up parts also came from > > the dealer. > > > > Second is the 1975 to 1977 Mustang II, both coupe and fastback. > > They are great with a 351 Windsor small block, heavy duty front > > and rear swaybars and gas charged shocks all around. Or go the > > other way and drop in a modern turbocharged 2.3 Liter four. The > > Mustang II is finally getting the respect it has always been due > > as a Mustang. Just check out the magazines like Mustang Monthly. > > > > Third is the 1971 AMC Javelin. Drop a 401 V8 in and watch it > > fly. Car Craft magazine has taken AMC to heart with a passion. > > Hardly an issue goes by without at least one American Motors > > article. > > > > Fourth for the "What the heck is that?!" factor is the AMC > > Matador Coupe. This slick beast was built to run wild on the > > NASCAR superspeedways. Unfortunately at the last second, AMC > > decided to get out of racing, leaving two lonely teams to > > fend for themselves. When they had fresh engines they won > > running away from the pack. Had AMC backed the teams there > > would have been an aerodynamic watershed in automotive design > > long before the 1984 Thunderbird banished "square" cars from > > NASCAR. > > > > Fifth is the original 1968 AMC AMX. This shortened, two > > seater Javelin was an extremely good answer to the musclecars > > from the "big three". This could be one of MCO's rare cars > > since the originals were quite limited in production. > > > > Sixth is the 1977 Lincoln Mark V Coupe. It's big, it's bad, > > it's smokin' fast at the drags with a hopped up 460 big block. > > It looks like it was designed with a ruler but it's definately > > a classic. > > > > And finally, the new Ford GT-40! Yes indeed, Ford has built > > two brand new, updated GT-40 cars. At first glance they > > look just like the 1960's Ferrari beaters but they've been > > slicked up and run a modified engine from the Lightning truck. > > Ford claims they have "Two Porsche Boxters worth of power". > > One word says it all. SWEEEEEEEET! (Cubic feet of luggage > > space, 0. Cars like it, 0.) > > > >

On Wed, 13 Feb 2002 10:48:35 +0100, "Txl" <[email hidden]> wrote: > let's look at france and our president, >the elections are in 3 months, if he loses he goes to jail, yes to jail, >cause he's so much in shit for some BAAAD things he did in the past with >public money Now there's some good news! Thanks for making my day! :D Andre

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> Number one is the 1954 Hudson Hornet. From 1950 to 1954, Hudson > ruled the roost in NASCAR, taking home more wins than any other > make. Those were the days of STOCK cars, REAL cars, not today's > tube frame wonders that are a "Ford" this season and a "Chevy" > the next. You bought them from the dealer, ripped out the interior > and welded in a roll cage. All your hop up parts also came from > the dealer.

Maybe someday they'll make a "Dirt Track Legends". I doubt it. Most people these days seem to think Red Byron is some kind of frozen pizza. I think a "bootlegger vs. revenuer" road sim from the same era would have lots of potential for fun. > Second is the 1975 to 1977 Mustang II, both coupe and fastback. > They are great with a 351 Windsor small block, heavy duty front > and rear swaybars and gas charged shocks all around. Or go the > other way and drop in a modern turbocharged 2.3 Liter four. The > Mustang II is finally getting the respect it has always been due > as a Mustang. Just check out the magazines like Mustang Monthly. <Scratches head and goes "huh?"> The only thing more stillborn than the Mustang II was the Maverick. Gerald

In article <3c6a3675$0$4621$[email hidden]>, [email hidden] says... > Do you know that the world is not only the USA ? Gregg's post was about cars that *HE* would like to see in sims. Why is he required to include European cars in those wishes? Is this a European version of affirmative action? > Especially in cars where your record is far from impressive, talk to me > about some Jaguar D and E, some 356, some 911, some 250 GTO...or even some > M3 or M5 from nowadays... Yep, all fantastic cars. The US has made some pretty fantastic cars too. Look at the Corvette ZO6. Show me one European car that can match its performance (both acceleration and handling) for the same money. > The funny point about US cars is that they are just like Miscrosoft and > intel, NO optimization whatsoever, in your second point you mention a "351 > WINDSOR SMALL BLOCK", if i do my math correctly a 351 block means a 5.6 > Liter engine, and that would be a "SMALL"...in 1975-77, check out the 3L V6 > from Ferrari that was in the lancia Stratos in 1971....probably half the > size and double the power... The terms "small block" and "big block" are used only in reference to American cars and in comparison to each other. The engine block of a big block engine is larger than the block of a small block engine. In the late 60s and early 70s, the people who were buying American muscle cars couldn't have cared less about Ferrari, Jaguar, Lancia, or any other Euro car maker. They just knew that they could go to their dealer with $3000- 5000 and drive away in a car that could run the 1/4 mile in 13 seconds (it couldn't turn or stop worth a crap but that didn't matter.) The culture was about drag racing and the American car makers responded to that demand, and did it very well. That's why you really can't compare American cars and Euro cars of that era. > Have a good day anyway Same to you. -- ______________________ Todd Walker http://twalker.d2g.com Canon Pro90IS ______________________

<< Do you know that the world is not only the USA ? Especially in cars where your record is far from impressive, talk to me about some Jaguar D and E, some 356, some 911, some 250 GTO...or even some M3 or M5 from nowadays... The funny point about US cars is that they are just like Miscrosoft and intel, NO optimization whatsoever, in your second point you mention a "351 WINDSOR SMALL BLOCK", if i do my math correctly a 351 block means a 5.6 Liter engine, and that would be a "SMALL"...in 1975-77, check out the 3L V6 from Ferrari that was in the lancia Stratos in 1971....probably half the size and double the power... Of course I do not take all this very seriously and i hope I won't be sent to X-RAY camp for "anti american" activism but sometimes if would be good for people to look around and realize that what they see around them can be MUCH improved in other countries, let's look at france and our president, the elections are in 3 months, if he loses he goes to jail, yes to jail, cause he's so much in shit for some BAAAD things he did in the past with public money, this example to tell you that just because I say american cars are far from being the best doens't mean i think we (french or europeans) are "better" than you... Have a good day anyway>> As an American, all I can tell you is that with the exception of a Porsche Turbo and a Beautiful Jag XKE, I haven't had the opportunity to drive, let alone SEE any of the cars you mentioned. In my life, nothing compares to the rumble and roar of a big V-8. The way they thunder and crackle with open dumps, the smell of unburned fuel, the throaty sound of a wide open Holley carb, the ground pounding vibrations and white noise that sprays across your senses. Nothing even remotely like it, IMHO! In the last few years, as V-8's go the way of the dinosour, many young kids here in the US have tuned in and turned on to the bumble bee cars, because that is what THEY KNOW. God bless em, as long as the love of cars goes on. Michael P.S. Would love a ripped and roaring FORD COBRA 427 in a sim. And as far as a 1975-77 Mustang. I had a 1976 in which I dropped in a 1968 302, dual quad 600 Holleys on a Wiend (sp?) tunnel ram. 290-500 cam, 9" rear end from a 68 cougar (bolted right in, drum to drum). Problem was the junk Ford 4-speed. Also had a 1970 Torino convertible with the 429, awesome car! Should have kept that one. Adios, again! Michael

> The > Mustang II is finally getting the respect it has always been due > as a Mustang. I'm sorry, but I can't let you get away with this one. The only thing the Mustang II was ever good for was parts for those making 1930-1940's hot rods. And yes, if you drop a big engine in a little car, of course it will go fast. Hence the articles you mention. Aside from that, you have very odd taste in automobiles - but I drive an El Camino so who am I to judge? :-) Ryan

> Yep, all fantastic cars. The US has made some pretty fantastic cars too. > Look at the Corvette ZO6. Show me one European car that can match its > performance (both acceleration and handling) for the same money. >Virtually any TVR you care to mention could trounce your 'vette in a head to head :-)

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> > > Yep, all fantastic cars. The US has made some pretty fantastic cars too. > > Look at the Corvette ZO6. Show me one European car that can match its > > performance (both acceleration and handling) for the same money. > > > Virtually any TVR you care to mention could trounce your 'vette in a head to head :-) > > >

I said for the same money. And "trounce" is a very strong word. -- ______________________ Todd Walker http://twalker.d2g.com Canon Pro90IS ______________________

On Wed, 13 Feb 2002 10:48:35 +0100, "Txl" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>Do you know that the world is not only the USA ? > >Especially in cars where your record is far from impressive, talk to me >about some Jaguar D and E, some 356, some 911, some 250 GTO...or even some >M3 or M5 from nowadays... > >The funny point about US cars is that they are just like Miscrosoft and >intel, NO optimization whatsoever, in your second point you mention a "351 >WINDSOR SMALL BLOCK", if i do my math correctly a 351 block means a 5.6 >Liter engine, and that would be a "SMALL"...in 1975-77, check out the 3L V6 >from Ferrari that was in the lancia Stratos in 1971....probably half the >size and double the power... > >Of course I do not take all this very seriously and i hope I won't be sent >to X-RAY camp for "anti american" activism but sometimes if would be good >for people to look around and realize that what they see around them can be >MUCH improved in other countries, let's look at france and our president, >the elections are in 3 months, if he loses he goes to jail, yes to jail, >cause he's so much in shit for some BAAAD things he did in the past with >public money, this example to tell you that just because I say american cars >are far from being the best doens't mean i think we (french or europeans) >are "better" than you... > >Have a good day anyway >

I think he's talking about cars he would like to see in a sim/game. And those cars you mention above are fine, except for their price tags, which don't even put them in the same economical or technological categories as the american cars mentioned in the orifinal post, making your argument sorta silly. I'll bet your little 3L V6 was not naturally aspirated, was it? No. How many times did it break? Many. Parts available for it? No. Hmmm........Sounds like a fun car to own. I think I'll keep my Buick Grand National, thanks anyway.

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> > I think he's talking about cars he would like to see in a sim/game. > And those cars you mention above are fine, except for their price > tags, which don't even put them in the same economical or > technological categories as the american cars mentioned in the > orifinal post, making your argument sorta silly. I'll bet your little > 3L V6 was not naturally aspirated, was it? No. How many times did it > break? Many. Parts available for it? No. Hmmm........Sounds like a fun > car to own. I think I'll keep my Buick Grand National, thanks anyway.

Actually, it was a 2.4L V6, which in certain race forms put out over 300 HP, it had 195 HP in road going trim, naturally aspirated :-), I've read somewhere that this engine was based on the Ferrari 206 DINO F1 engine, although I've never had that confirmed anywhere from "reliable" sources Aside from that, I think you nailed it, the types of cars we'd like to see in a sim depends on where you stand, some people like V8's, some people prefer a screaming four or a high tech V12 Me.....AussieV8's RULE !!! :-), to me there are nothing more exciting than a late 80's early 90's AussieV8, why you US guys hasn't imported this series I'll never understand :-) Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy "The Pits" http://www.theuspits.com/ * Spam is for losers who can't get business any other way * "Spamkiller" http://www.spamkiller.com

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>On Wed, 13 Feb 2002 10:48:35 +0100, "Txl" <[email hidden]> wrote: > >>Do you know that the world is not only the USA ? >> >>Especially in cars where your record is far from impressive, talk to me >>about some Jaguar D and E, some 356, some 911, some 250 GTO...or even some >>M3 or M5 from nowadays... >> >>The funny point about US cars is that they are just like Miscrosoft and >>intel, NO optimization whatsoever, in your second point you mention a "351 >>WINDSOR SMALL BLOCK", if i do my math correctly a 351 block means a 5.6 >>Liter engine, and that would be a "SMALL"...in 1975-77, check out the 3L V6 >>from Ferrari that was in the lancia Stratos in 1971....probably half the >>size and double the power... >> >>Of course I do not take all this very seriously and i hope I won't be sent >>to X-RAY camp for "anti american" activism but sometimes if would be good >>for people to look around and realize that what they see around them can be >>MUCH improved in other countries, let's look at france and our president, >>the elections are in 3 months, if he loses he goes to jail, yes to jail, >>cause he's so much in shit for some BAAAD things he did in the past with >>public money, this example to tell you that just because I say american cars >>are far from being the best doens't mean i think we (french or europeans) >>are "better" than you... >> >>Have a good day anyway >> > >I think he's talking about cars he would like to see in a sim/game. >And those cars you mention above are fine, except for their price >tags, which don't even put them in the same economical or >technological categories as the american cars mentioned in the >orifinal post, making your argument sorta silly. I'll bet your little >3L V6 was not naturally aspirated, was it? No. How many times did it >break? Many. Parts available for it? No. Hmmm........Sounds like a fun >car to own. I think I'll keep my Buick Grand National, thanks anyway. >

Ock.......Yes, I know the GN is a turbo car, but the cars the original poster was talking about were naturally aspirated. Just thought I would clarify that before you all start going nuts on me. I will STILL keep my GN.

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> In article <TUxa8.58300$[email hidden]>, > [email hidden] says... > > > > > Yep, all fantastic cars. The US has made some pretty fantastic cars too. > > > Look at the Corvette ZO6. Show me one European car that can match its > > > performance (both acceleration and handling) for the same money. > > > > > Virtually any TVR you care to mention could trounce your 'vette in a head to head :-) > > > > > > > > I said for the same money. And "trounce" is a very strong word.

How much would I expect to pay for the Corvette here in England ? Possibly a fair bit more than a TVR, I would guess. "Trounce" is about right, I think. I've seen the Cerberra do it to all manner of supercars. I don't think a Z06 would stand a cat in hell's chance.

In article <9tAa8.29755$[email hidden]>, [email hidden] says... > How much would I expect to pay for the Corvette here in England ? Possibly a fair bit more > than a TVR, I would guess. > "Trounce" is about right, I think. I've seen the Cerberra do it to all manner of > supercars. I don't think a Z06 would stand a cat in hell's chance. Well, I wouldn't buy a Corvette in England so I really don't care how much it costs ;-) Yes the Cerbera is a nice car and is quite fast. So is the ZO6. How about 405 HP (346ci/5665cc V8, 2 valves/cylinder, naturally aspirated,) 0-60 in 4.0 seconds, 0-100 in 9.48, 1/4 mile in [email hidden], 0-100-0 in 13.56, and .99g lateral acceleration? All this for $50,420. This data is from the February 2002 issue of Motor Trend magazine. The Cerbera might be slightly faster -- I don't know -- but I doubt that it would "trounce" the ZO6. -- ______________________ Todd Walker http://twalker.d2g.com Canon Pro90IS ______________________

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> Well, I wouldn't buy a Corvette in England so I really don't care how > much it costs ;-) > > Yes the Cerbera is a nice car and is quite fast. So is the ZO6. How about > 405 HP (346ci/5665cc V8, 2 valves/cylinder, naturally aspirated,) 0-60 in > 4.0 seconds, 0-100 in 9.48, 1/4 mile in [email hidden], 0-100-0 in 13.56, > and .99g lateral acceleration? All this for $50,420. This data is from > the February 2002 issue of Motor Trend magazine. The Cerbera might be > slightly faster -- I don't know -- but I doubt that it would "trounce" > the ZO6. >

Aye, I've seen those figures. They are indeed impressive. http://www.tvr-eng.co.uk/graphics/cerbera/Framesets/Cerb_Frame_engine.html Cerberra 4.5(that's a whole 1000cc smaller) : 75 degree alloy V8 engine Capacity (cc) 4475 Bore/stroke (mm) 91 x 86 Compression Ratio 10.75:1 Max power 420 bhp @ 6750 rpm Max torque 380 ft.lbs @ 5500 rpm Performance 0 to 60 mph in 3.9 secs 0 to 100 mph in 8.3 secs 0 to 150 mph in 17.9 secs Maximum speed +190 mph

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> > > Well, I wouldn't buy a Corvette in England so I really don't care how > > much it costs ;-) > > > > Yes the Cerbera is a nice car and is quite fast. So is the ZO6. How about > > 405 HP (346ci/5665cc V8, 2 valves/cylinder, naturally aspirated,) 0-60 in > > 4.0 seconds, 0-100 in 9.48, 1/4 mile in [email hidden], 0-100-0 in 13.56, > > and .99g lateral acceleration? All this for $50,420. This data is from > > the February 2002 issue of Motor Trend magazine. The Cerbera might be > > slightly faster -- I don't know -- but I doubt that it would "trounce" > > the ZO6. > > > Aye, I've seen those figures. They are indeed impressive. > http://www.tvr-eng.co.uk/graphics/cerbera/Framesets/Cerb_Frame_engine.html > > Cerberra 4.5(that's a whole 1000cc smaller) : > 75 degree alloy V8 engine > Capacity (cc) 4475 > Bore/stroke (mm) 91 x 86 > Compression Ratio 10.75:1 > Max power 420 bhp @ 6750 rpm > Max torque 380 ft.lbs @ 5500 rpm > > > > Performance > > 0 to 60 mph in 3.9 secs > 0 to 100 mph in 8.3 secs > 0 to 150 mph in 17.9 secs > Maximum speed +190 mph > > > >

Very impressive. As I said, a bit faster but hardly a trouncing :-) Just out of curiosity, how much does the Cerbera cost in the UK? -- ______________________ Todd Walker http://twalker.d2g.com Canon Pro90IS ______________________

> Very impressive. As I said, a bit faster but hardly a trouncing :-) > > Just out of curiosity, how much does the Cerbera cost in the UK? > > --�46,000 or thereabouts. That's around $65,000

Do you have any links to any independent test results? Manufacturer's figures are often overstated. Ryan

'68 Goat. 383 3 deuces

Don't forget that Corvette has to pass US crash tests and emissions (adds weight), not sure if the UK requires the same tests or not... On Wed, 13 Feb 2002, Todd Walker wrote:

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> In article <kqBa8.45463$[email hidden]>, > [email hidden] says... > > > > > Well, I wouldn't buy a Corvette in England so I really don't care how > > > much it costs ;-) > > > > > > Yes the Cerbera is a nice car and is quite fast. So is the ZO6. How about > > > 405 HP (346ci/5665cc V8, 2 valves/cylinder, naturally aspirated,) 0-60 in > > > 4.0 seconds, 0-100 in 9.48, 1/4 mile in [email hidden], 0-100-0 in 13.56, > > > and .99g lateral acceleration? All this for $50,420. This data is from > > > the February 2002 issue of Motor Trend magazine. The Cerbera might be > > > slightly faster -- I don't know -- but I doubt that it would "trounce" > > > the ZO6. > > > > > Aye, I've seen those figures. They are indeed impressive. > > http://www.tvr-eng.co.uk/graphics/cerbera/Framesets/Cerb_Frame_engine.html > > > > Cerberra 4.5(that's a whole 1000cc smaller) : > > 75 degree alloy V8 engine > > Capacity (cc) 4475 > > Bore/stroke (mm) 91 x 86 > > Compression Ratio 10.75:1 > > Max power 420 bhp @ 6750 rpm > > Max torque 380 ft.lbs @ 5500 rpm > > > > > > > > Performance > > > > 0 to 60 mph in 3.9 secs > > 0 to 100 mph in 8.3 secs > > 0 to 150 mph in 17.9 secs > > Maximum speed +190 mph > > > > > > > > > > Very impressive. As I said, a bit faster but hardly a trouncing :-) > > Just out of curiosity, how much does the Cerbera cost in the UK? > > -- > ______________________ > Todd Walker > http://twalker.d2g.com > Canon Pro90IS > ______________________ > >

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> > Very impressive. As I said, a bit faster but hardly a trouncing :-) > > > > Just out of curiosity, how much does the Cerbera cost in the UK? > > > > -- > �46,000 or thereabouts. That's around $65,000 > > >

Hmm...with the $15,000 left over after buying the ZO6, I could make it MUCH faster than the TVR ;-) I don't even know how I got into this -- I love Euro cars. If I personally had to decide between a ZO6 and a Cerbera, it would be a very difficult choice. -- ______________________ Todd Walker http://twalker.d2g.com Canon Pro90IS ______________________

Txl wrote: > > the lancia Stratos in 1971 Oh, crap! I forgot that one. I know it's been in a console rally game as a bonus or secret car but that was years ago. That's definately a car I've lusted after for many a year. :)

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> > Well, I wouldn't buy a Corvette in England so I really don't care how > > much it costs ;-) > > > > Yes the Cerbera is a nice car and is quite fast. So is the ZO6. How about > > 405 HP (346ci/5665cc V8, 2 valves/cylinder, naturally aspirated,) 0-60 in > > 4.0 seconds, 0-100 in 9.48, 1/4 mile in [email hidden], 0-100-0 in 13.56, > > and .99g lateral acceleration? All this for $50,420. This data is from > > the February 2002 issue of Motor Trend magazine. The Cerbera might be > > slightly faster -- I don't know -- but I doubt that it would "trounce" > > the ZO6. > > > Aye, I've seen those figures. They are indeed impressive. > http://www.tvr-eng.co.uk/graphics/cerbera/Framesets/Cerb_Frame_engine.html > > Cerberra 4.5(that's a whole 1000cc smaller) : > 75 degree alloy V8 engine > Capacity (cc) 4475 > Bore/stroke (mm) 91 x 86 > Compression Ratio 10.75:1 > Max power 420 bhp @ 6750 rpm > Max torque 380 ft.lbs @ 5500 rpm > > Performance > > 0 to 60 mph in 3.9 secs > 0 to 100 mph in 8.3 secs > 0 to 150 mph in 17.9 secs > Maximum speed +190 mph

Enter the zcars Tiger Z100WR: Capacity(CC): 2400 Max Power: 360 HP Max Torque: 198 lbft 0 to 60 mph: 2.8 sec, street legal tires 0 to 100 mph: 6.3 sec, still street legal Est. price: UKP 40.000 http://www.zcars.org.uk/ So, it's a bit more basic and unorthodox than the Vette and TVR. -- -asbjxrn, wroom, wroom.

Not when it comes to GM and their LS1-based cars... People dyno their fresh-from-the-dealer Camaros and Firebirds all the time. The horsepower ratings you see on a manufacturer's sheet are quoted at the flywheel, with no driveline losses figured in... It's not terribly uncommon to see a Camaro dyno within 5-10hp of its "flywheel" horsepower (anywhere from 305 to 325 depending on trim) - at the rear wheels. So when GM says the LS6 in the ZO6 puts out 405hp...I believe 'em. I've seen 'em run, and they are FAST! Probably the best daily driver you could have in a SCCA Solo II slalom; anything faster is probably a Lotus Seven. ;) And if I had another $15,000 to spend on a ZO6...hmm, depending on how much work I do myself, I could -possibly- up it to the 427LS6 block GM has. The block alone is $4000...but it's another 150hp and god only knows how much more torque, no problem. If you REALLY want to get insane...let me point you to the Lingenfelter 427TT Corvette. Start with your "average" ZO6, add GMPP 427 block and crank, and a pair of turbochargers...leave in a gigantic plume of tiresmoke as you attempt to put 725HP and 650 lb/ft of torque down on the pavement through the rear wheels. It'll only cost you another ZO6, basically. =) Milhouse "Ryan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:waEa8.428$[email hidden]... > Do you have any links to any independent test results? Manufacturer's > figures are often overstated. > > Ryan > >

I say add to this the early years of Trans-Am - just like the early years of NASCAR, these cars were more or less stock...near the end of the early years, though, you got your cars with all of the fun hotrod factory parts, which, because of the rules, you most certainly could get on your car at the dealer, if you knew what to order. ;) I want to see both first and (early) second generation Camaros in a sim, along with Mustangs, Javelins, and their other bretheren... Aw, screw it, I want a 1969 Trans-Am Sim!!!!!!!! Milhouse "Gregg E." <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> Number one is the 1954 Hudson Hornet. From 1950 to 1954, Hudson > ruled the roost in NASCAR, taking home more wins than any other > make. Those were the days of STOCK cars, REAL cars, not today's > tube frame wonders that are a "Ford" this season and a "Chevy" > the next. You bought them from the dealer, ripped out the interior > and welded in a roll cage. All your hop up parts also came from > the dealer. > > Second is the 1975 to 1977 Mustang II, both coupe and fastback. > They are great with a 351 Windsor small block, heavy duty front > and rear swaybars and gas charged shocks all around. Or go the > other way and drop in a modern turbocharged 2.3 Liter four. The > Mustang II is finally getting the respect it has always been due > as a Mustang. Just check out the magazines like Mustang Monthly. > > Third is the 1971 AMC Javelin. Drop a 401 V8 in and watch it > fly. Car Craft magazine has taken AMC to heart with a passion. > Hardly an issue goes by without at least one American Motors > article. > > Fourth for the "What the heck is that?!" factor is the AMC > Matador Coupe. This slick beast was built to run wild on the > NASCAR superspeedways. Unfortunately at the last second, AMC > decided to get out of racing, leaving two lonely teams to > fend for themselves. When they had fresh engines they won > running away from the pack. Had AMC backed the teams there > would have been an aerodynamic watershed in automotive design > long before the 1984 Thunderbird banished "square" cars from > NASCAR. > > Fifth is the original 1968 AMC AMX. This shortened, two > seater Javelin was an extremely good answer to the musclecars > from the "big three". This could be one of MCO's rare cars > since the originals were quite limited in production. > > Sixth is the 1977 Lincoln Mark V Coupe. It's big, it's bad, > it's smokin' fast at the drags with a hopped up 460 big block. > It looks like it was designed with a ruler but it's definately > a classic. > > And finally, the new Ford GT-40! Yes indeed, Ford has built > two brand new, updated GT-40 cars. At first glance they > look just like the 1960's Ferrari beaters but they've been > slicked up and run a modified engine from the Lightning truck. > Ford claims they have "Two Porsche Boxters worth of power". > One word says it all. SWEEEEEEEET! (Cubic feet of luggage > space, 0. Cars like it, 0.) >

On 13 Feb 2002 15:42:47 GMT, [email hidden] (Race1530) wrote: >In my life, nothing compares to the rumble and roar of a big V-8. The way they >thunder and crackle with open dumps, the smell of unburned fuel, the throaty >sound of a wide open Holley carb, the ground pounding vibrations and white >noise that sprays across your senses. Nothing even remotely like it, IMHO! A man after my own heart :) Luckily a lot of us Aussie's see things as you do and we have our own hot V8's. Did you know that at one time the fastest sedan in the world (straight from the factory) was an Australian car? It was the Ford GT HO Phase III. There's a little info here... http://www.fordmuscleparts.com.au/ We've also got the new 350 Chev powered Monaro from Holden. The Monaro goes way back and finished production in the mid 70's. Now Holden has brought it back. I have an old one myself, a 74. Pics are here if your interested. http://www.motorcities.com/contents/00GRE343243266.html You can see a variety of Monaro's here... http://monaroclubvic.alphalink.com.au/ The latest Monaro.. http://www.holden.com.au/app/serve?page=monaroEntry And the HSV (Holden Special Vehicles) version. The GTS is the one we'd all like :) http://www.hsv.com.au Check out their ute while your there :) Tony

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> On 13 Feb 2002 15:42:47 GMT, [email hidden] (Race1530) wrote: > > >In my life, nothing compares to the rumble and roar of a big V-8. The way they > >thunder and crackle with open dumps, the smell of unburned fuel, the throaty > >sound of a wide open Holley carb, the ground pounding vibrations and white > >noise that sprays across your senses. Nothing even remotely like it, IMHO! > > A man after my own heart :) > Luckily a lot of us Aussie's see things as you do and we have our own > hot V8's. Did you know that at one time the fastest sedan in the world > (straight from the factory) was an Australian car? It was the Ford GT > HO Phase III. > There's a little info here... > http://www.fordmuscleparts.com.au/ > > We've also got the new 350 Chev powered Monaro from Holden. The Monaro > goes way back and finished production in the mid 70's. Now Holden has > brought it back. I have an old one myself, a 74. > Pics are here if your interested. > http://www.motorcities.com/contents/00GRE343243266.html > > You can see a variety of Monaro's here... > http://monaroclubvic.alphalink.com.au/ > > The latest Monaro.. > http://www.holden.com.au/app/serve?page=monaroEntry > > And the HSV (Holden Special Vehicles) version. > The GTS is the one we'd all like :) > http://www.hsv.com.au > Check out their ute while your there :) > > Tony > >

Man I wish GM would start importing Holdens to the US. I would trade my 300M for an HSV in a heartbeat! There was talk of this happening a year or so ago, but I guess it never played out... -- ______________________ Todd Walker http://twalker.d2g.com Canon Pro90IS ______________________

On Thu, 14 Feb 2002 14:42:41 GMT, Todd Walker <[email hidden]> wrote: >Man I wish GM would start importing Holdens to the US. I would trade my >300M for an HSV in a heartbeat! There was talk of this happening a year >or so ago, but I guess it never played out... I heard talk of it long ago and still hear rumors today. I really can't understand why they don't. I'm sure the market would be big in the States. The beancounters at GM probably have something to do with it. The current Commodore, which the Monaro and HSV's are based on, is made with a dash as to make them either right or left hand drive very easily. Apparently the HSV's are pretty popular in the middle east. I also saw in a magazine recently that the HSV Maloo will be exported to the UK. Btw, HSV are trying to get their hands on about 300 Corvettes. I don't know too much about Corvettes so what particular model it would be I don't know. It's sure to be something hot though and way out of my price range. Tony

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> On Thu, 14 Feb 2002 14:42:41 GMT, Todd Walker <[email hidden]> > wrote: > > >Man I wish GM would start importing Holdens to the US. I would trade my > >300M for an HSV in a heartbeat! There was talk of this happening a year > >or so ago, but I guess it never played out... > > I heard talk of it long ago and still hear rumors today. > I really can't understand why they don't. I'm sure the market would be > big in the States. The beancounters at GM probably have something to > do with it. > The current Commodore, which the Monaro and HSV's are based on, is > made with a dash as to make them either right or left hand drive very > easily. Apparently the HSV's are pretty popular in the middle east. > I also saw in a magazine recently that the HSV Maloo will be exported > to the UK. > Btw, HSV are trying to get their hands on about 300 Corvettes. I don't > know too much about Corvettes so what particular model it would be I > don't know. It's sure to be something hot though and way out of my > price range. > > Tony > >

Hmm...that's interesting. Since the HSV already uses the LS1 V8 from the regular Corvette, they may be trying to get ZO6s that have the LS6 engine. It is rated at 405HP vs. the 350HP of the LS1. An HSV with over 400HP would be very nice indeed... -- ______________________ Todd Walker http://twalker.d2g.com Canon Pro90IS ______________________

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> > On Thu, 14 Feb 2002 14:42:41 GMT, Todd Walker <[email hidden]> > wrote: > > >Man I wish GM would start importing Holdens to the US. I would trade my > >300M for an HSV in a heartbeat! There was talk of this happening a year > >or so ago, but I guess it never played out... > > I heard talk of it long ago and still hear rumors today. > I really can't understand why they don't. I'm sure the market would be > big in the States. The beancounters at GM probably have something to > do with it. > The current Commodore,

They couldn't sell the Commodore in the US with that name. Commodore was used by Hudson back in the 1940's and 1950's, now the name is owned by Chrysler with their purchase of AMC in 1987. Damn Chrysler had their best pals in Washington to help them out with a big loan when they were on the rocks, then they blocked any chance for a helping hand to AMC because Chrysler wanted AMC gone and the Jeep line under the MoPar banner!

"Txl" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:3c6a3675$0$4621$[email hidden]... > MUCH improved in other countries, let's look at france and our president, > the elections are in 3 months, if he loses he goes to jail, yes to jail, > cause he's so much in shit for some BAAAD things he did in the past with > public money, We should have this in the UK, every single prime minister would be incarcerated..... mwuhahahahaha. I'd start with Thatcther, and certainly Blair. Heckler