Does Sierra NR2002 use SecuROM?

Hi all. I figure we'll be seeing all sorts of NR2002 reports today, so I figured I'd get my question in. Does NR2002 use SecuROM copy protection like NASCAR4 did? I hope not. (Reading the sad tale below is optional...) I bought N4 in good faith and it worked on my Celeron 300A(450MHz) and HP 7500 CD Writer. OK, it wasn't super fast, needed more CPU HP, but it was passable. I remember having a great online race at Watkins Glen in the first days with some of the GPL crowd (even though the fixed setups would always blow the motor there :). A few weeks later, I did some DAE with my CD Writer. It worked fine reading the first CD (about 6x speed), but by the time I got to the third or fourth disc, I was down to 1x. I guess I "broke" DAE on my CD Writer. Unfortunately, it also "broke" the ability for it to read SecuROM copy protection. I could no longer get my install of N4 to work with the original disc (much less a copy I made, which was successful before). I had figured I would upgrade and get a new drive, but things haven't worked out that way. So I've got a nice $30 N4 coaster. :( I may consider upgrading for NR2002, but I wanted to know if a new CD reader would be part of the cost. For those who persisted and read this far, thanks. I'm home with the flu and feel pretty crappy. Does it show? :) "But in a way, fear is a big part of racing, because if there was nothing to be frightened of, and no limit, any fool could get into a motor car and racing would not exist as a sport." -- Jim Clark

So you're blaming papy's secuROM when you've got a faulty cdrom drive? -- Biz "Don't touch that please, your primitive intellect wouldn't understand alloys and compositions and,......things with molecular structures,....and the....." - Ash Jeff Vincent <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Hi all. I figure we'll be seeing all sorts of NR2002 reports > today, so I figured I'd get my question in. > > Does NR2002 use SecuROM copy protection like NASCAR4 did? > > I hope not. > > (Reading the sad tale below is optional...) > I bought N4 in good faith and it worked on my Celeron 300A(450MHz) > and HP 7500 CD Writer. OK, it wasn't super fast, needed more CPU HP, > but it was passable. I remember having a great online race at Watkins > Glen in the first days with some of the GPL crowd (even though the > fixed setups would always blow the motor there :). A few weeks later, > I did some DAE with my CD Writer. It worked fine reading the first CD > (about 6x speed), but by the time I got to the third or fourth disc, I > was down to 1x. I guess I "broke" DAE on my CD Writer. > Unfortunately, it also "broke" the ability for it to read SecuROM copy > protection. I could no longer get my install of N4 to work with the > original disc (much less a copy I made, which was successful before). > I had figured I would upgrade and get a new drive, but things haven't > worked out that way. So I've got a nice $30 N4 coaster. :( I may > consider upgrading for NR2002, but I wanted to know if a new CD reader > would be part of the cost. > > For those who persisted and read this far, thanks. I'm home with > the flu and feel pretty crappy. Does it show? :) > > "But in a way, fear is a big part of racing, because if there was > nothing to be frightened of, and no limit, any fool could get into > a motor car and racing would not exist as a sport." -- Jim Clark

On Thu, 14 Feb 2002 16:16:58 GMT, "Biz" <[email hidden]> wrote: >So you're blaming papy's secuROM when you've got a faulty cdrom drive? No, I'm just asking if the new sim will work on my existing equipment. Don't you remember the folks here on RAS that went to the extent of buying new CD readers because their existing (and presumably non-defective ;) CD readers didn't work with the copy protection that Sierra chose to use for N4? -- And others that said they wouldn't spend another $50 to run a #$%$& $50 game? Just another example of the stupidity of copy protection, you-know-whating the paying customer... :( If I was really blaming them, wouldn't I be asking them to buy me a new CD reader, or at least to refund my money for a (currently unusable) copy of N4? :) "But in a way, fear is a big part of racing, because if there was nothing to be frightened of, and no limit, any fool could get into a motor car and racing would not exist as a sport." -- Jim Clark

I believe so. -- Mike Grandy www.precision-racing.com "Jeff Vincent" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Hi all. I figure we'll be seeing all sorts of NR2002 reports > today, so I figured I'd get my question in. > > Does NR2002 use SecuROM copy protection like NASCAR4 did? > > I hope not. > > (Reading the sad tale below is optional...) > I bought N4 in good faith and it worked on my Celeron 300A(450MHz) > and HP 7500 CD Writer. OK, it wasn't super fast, needed more CPU HP, > but it was passable. I remember having a great online race at Watkins > Glen in the first days with some of the GPL crowd (even though the > fixed setups would always blow the motor there :). A few weeks later, > I did some DAE with my CD Writer. It worked fine reading the first CD > (about 6x speed), but by the time I got to the third or fourth disc, I > was down to 1x. I guess I "broke" DAE on my CD Writer. > Unfortunately, it also "broke" the ability for it to read SecuROM copy > protection. I could no longer get my install of N4 to work with the > original disc (much less a copy I made, which was successful before). > I had figured I would upgrade and get a new drive, but things haven't > worked out that way. So I've got a nice $30 N4 coaster. :( I may > consider upgrading for NR2002, but I wanted to know if a new CD reader > would be part of the cost. > > For those who persisted and read this far, thanks. I'm home with > the flu and feel pretty crappy. Does it show? :) > > "But in a way, fear is a big part of racing, because if there was > nothing to be frightened of, and no limit, any fool could get into > a motor car and racing would not exist as a sport." -- Jim Clark

In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden] (Jeff Vincent) writes: >I did some DAE with my CD Writer. It worked fine reading the first CD >(about 6x speed), but by the time I got to the third or fourth disc, I >was down to 1x. I guess I "broke" DAE on my CD Writer. >Unfortunately, it also "broke" the ability for it to read SecuROM copy >protection. What's DAE? Also, does your drive work with all your other games? Eldred -- Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPLRank - under construction... Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

"Biz" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:_pRa8.4311$[email hidden]... > So you're blaming papy's secuROM when you've got a faulty cdrom drive? There have been a number of reports of copy protection damaging peoples cdrom drives. Someone must be held accountable for this negligent behavoir of the game publishers. Copy protection works by putting deliberate errors on the cdrom. What do you think that does to your cd drive? I've had a number of BSOD's in windows because one of my cdrom drives has a hard time reading copy protected cdrom's at times. Time to put a stop to the madness.

On 15 Feb 2002 04:19:10 GMT, [email hidden] (EldredP) wrote:

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>In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden] (Jeff >Vincent) writes: > >>I did some DAE with my CD Writer. It worked fine reading the first CD >>(about 6x speed), but by the time I got to the third or fourth disc, I >>was down to 1x. I guess I "broke" DAE on my CD Writer. >>Unfortunately, it also "broke" the ability for it to read SecuROM copy >>protection. > >What's DAE? Also, does your drive work with all your other games?

Digital Audio Encoding, reading an audio CD as digital data (at higher speed), versus as plain old 1x CD audio. I was converting some CDs into MP3s to have them available on my PC. The drive works with all other games/programs I have. It still reads and writes CD-Rs and CD-RWs. But whenever I try to start N4, I get the "Error in KERNAL.DLL" error message. I have since tried fresh installs of both N4 and WinME with the same results (I had originally thought I might have munged some system files, it wasn't until later that I matched up the filedates with the failed DAE and N4 going MIA). "But in a way, fear is a big part of racing, because if there was nothing to be frightened of, and no limit, any fool could get into a motor car and racing would not exist as a sport." -- Jim Clark

On Fri, 15 Feb 2002 00:11:04 GMT, "Mike Grandy" <[email hidden]> wrote: >I believe so. Thanks for a straight answer, Mike. "But in a way, fear is a big part of racing, because if there was nothing to be frightened of, and no limit, any fool could get into a motor car and racing would not exist as a sport." -- Jim Clark

Are you really that delusional? -- Biz "Don't touch that please, your primitive intellect wouldn't understand alloys and compositions and,......things with molecular structures,....and the....." - Ash lane <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:a4iver$krl8$[email hidden]... > > "Biz" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:_pRa8.4311$[email hidden]... > > So you're blaming papy's secuROM when you've got a faulty cdrom drive? > > There have been a number of reports of copy protection damaging peoples > cdrom drives. Someone must be held accountable for this negligent behavoir > of the game publishers. Copy protection works by putting deliberate errors > on the cdrom. What do you think that does to your cd drive? I've had a > number of BSOD's in windows because one of my cdrom drives has a hard time > reading copy protected cdrom's at times. Time to put a stop to the madness. > >

DAE=Digital Audio Extraction, Its an important feature for all those who like to record cd's they don't own. -- Biz "Don't touch that please, your primitive intellect wouldn't understand alloys and compositions and,......things with molecular structures,....and the....." - Ash Jeff Vincent <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > On 15 Feb 2002 04:19:10 GMT, [email hidden] (EldredP) wrote: > > >In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden] (Jeff > >Vincent) writes: > > > >>I did some DAE with my CD Writer. It worked fine reading the first CD > >>(about 6x speed), but by the time I got to the third or fourth disc, I > >>was down to 1x. I guess I "broke" DAE on my CD Writer. > >>Unfortunately, it also "broke" the ability for it to read SecuROM copy > >>protection. > > > >What's DAE? Also, does your drive work with all your other games? > > Digital Audio Encoding, reading an audio CD as digital data (at > higher speed), versus as plain old 1x CD audio. I was converting some > CDs into MP3s to have them available on my PC. > > The drive works with all other games/programs I have. It still > reads and writes CD-Rs and CD-RWs. But whenever I try to start N4, I > get the "Error in KERNAL.DLL" error message. I have since tried fresh > installs of both N4 and WinME with the same results (I had originally > thought I might have munged some system files, it wasn't until later > that I matched up the filedates with the failed DAE and N4 going MIA). > > "But in a way, fear is a big part of racing, because if there was > nothing to be frightened of, and no limit, any fool could get into > a motor car and racing would not exist as a sport." -- Jim Clark

"Biz" wrote ... | Are you really that delusional? Yup, and he's got the FBI chip in his butt to prove it.

"Biz" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:E5ab8.470$[email hidden]... > Are you really that delusional? >Are you realy a consumerist sheep?

"Don Jennings" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:ptgb8.2124$[email hidden]... > Yup, and he's got the FBI chip in his butt to prove it. *yawn* I can find more info if you really want me to. But how about you and Biz do your own research? http://www.computeruser.com/articles/2101,4,27,1,0101,02.html Bring the noise Some copy-protection schemes could be more than just an annoyance. By Dan Heilman The antipiracy war being waged by the music industry has reached a level of ruthlessness that might have seemed inconceivable in the past. European CD buyers are being used as guinea pigs for technology that might prevent copying of digital music tracks--and, according to some researchers, might also render the tracks unlistenable, or even damage consumers' stereos.

And it's also important for those of us who DO own the CD's and want to store the music on a portable player or computer. -Larry "Biz" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:j7ab8.471$[email hidden]... > DAE=Digital Audio Extraction, Its an important feature for all those wholike to record cd's they

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> don't own. > > -- > Biz > > "Don't touch that please, your primitive intellect wouldn't understand > alloys and compositions and,......things with molecular structures,....and > the....." - Ash > > > Jeff Vincent <[email hidden]> wrote in message

news:[email hidden]... > > On 15 Feb 2002 04:19:10 GMT, [email hidden] (EldredP) wrote: > > > > >In article <[email hidden]>,[email hidden] (Jeff

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> > >Vincent) writes: > > > > > >>I did some DAE with my CD Writer. It worked fine reading the first CD > > >>(about 6x speed), but by the time I got to the third or fourth disc, I > > >>was down to 1x. I guess I "broke" DAE on my CD Writer. > > >>Unfortunately, it also "broke" the ability for it to read SecuROM copy > > >>protection. > > > > > >What's DAE? Also, does your drive work with all your other games? > > > > Digital Audio Encoding, reading an audio CD as digital data (at > > higher speed), versus as plain old 1x CD audio. I was converting some > > CDs into MP3s to have them available on my PC. > > > > The drive works with all other games/programs I have. It still > > reads and writes CD-Rs and CD-RWs. But whenever I try to start N4, I > > get the "Error in KERNAL.DLL" error message. I have since tried fresh > > installs of both N4 and WinME with the same results (I had originally > > thought I might have munged some system files, it wasn't until later > > that I matched up the filedates with the failed DAE and N4 going MIA). > > > > "But in a way, fear is a big part of racing, because if there was > > nothing to be frightened of, and no limit, any fool could get into > > a motor car and racing would not exist as a sport." -- Jim Clark > >

"Larry (The Other Larry)" wrote: > > And it's also important for those of us who DO own the CD's and want to > store the music on a portable player or computer. > > -Larry That's right. It's called "Fair Use". -- Fester "Is it that we need a nobrainer Linux desktop OS for people with no brains or should people do a little more reading and smarten up?" from alt.linux.mandrake NG

Exactly... -Larry "Uncle Fester" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> "Larry (The Other Larry)" wrote: > > > > And it's also important for those of us who DO own the CD's and want to > > store the music on a portable player or computer. > > > > -Larry > > > That's right. It's called "Fair Use". > > -- > > Fester > > "Is it that we need a nobrainer Linux desktop OS for people with no > brains or should people do a little more reading and smarten up?" > from alt.linux.mandrake NG