I must really suck

I've been playing Nascar 2002 for a couple of days now. Just bought it and a wheel/pedels on a whim. Ive been having a lot of fun... until I found out I was using all of the drivers aids. Ok so I turned them all off. WTF??? its completely impossible to drive now. Tell me truthfully... how many of you can drive without traction control and steering assistance? It is soo hard, I can barley make it into 4th on daytona befor spinning wildly out of control on the straights even. Do I just suck or is it possible? I am using a thrustmaster pro digital 2 wheel and pedal combo... is this whats up? Please help, I was having so much fun.. I even won a race online, but now I feel like I cheated. Christian

Just be patient and practice. A lot of the guys racing in NR2002 got their start with this physics engine back with GPL. It it not easy but can be mastered. Practice, practice, practice... - David Cook "Christian" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> I've been playing Nascar 2002 for a couple of days now. Just bought it > and a wheel/pedels on a whim. Ive been having a lot of fun... until I > found out I was using all of the drivers aids. Ok so I turned them all > off. WTF??? its completely impossible to drive now. Tell me > truthfully... how many of you can drive without traction control and > steering assistance? It is soo hard, I can barley make it into 4th on > daytona befor spinning wildly out of control on the straights even. Do > I just suck or is it possible? I am using a thrustmaster pro digital 2 > wheel and pedal combo... is this whats up? Please help, I was having > so much fun.. I even won a race online, but now I feel like I cheated. > > Christian >

In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden] says... > how many of you can drive without traction control and > steering assistance? It is soo hard, I can barley make it into 4th on > daytona befor spinning wildly out of control on the straights even. Do > I just suck or is it possible? I am using a thrustmaster pro digital 2 > wheel and pedal combo... is this whats up? Please help, I was having > so much fun.. I even won a race online, but now I feel like I cheated. Maybe you should try recalibrating. On Daytona, the only time I spin off is when it's assisted by either the AI or an online competitor. For me to spin while I'm alone would require me to really yank the wheel around like crazy. Cheers, Rod.

I have almost no NASCAR sim experience, but even for me Daytona is a breeze with no aids (100% linear wheel setting). Something HAS to be off with your controller setup. David G Fisher "Christian" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> I've been playing Nascar 2002 for a couple of days now. Just bought it > and a wheel/pedels on a whim. Ive been having a lot of fun... until I > found out I was using all of the drivers aids. Ok so I turned them all > off. WTF??? its completely impossible to drive now. Tell me > truthfully... how many of you can drive without traction control and > steering assistance? It is soo hard, I can barley make it into 4th on > daytona befor spinning wildly out of control on the straights even. Do > I just suck or is it possible? I am using a thrustmaster pro digital 2 > wheel and pedal combo... is this whats up? Please help, I was having > so much fun.. I even won a race online, but now I feel like I cheated. > > Christian

recalibrate, make sure its smooth... drive the car like you would any real car....smooth motions, no jerking the wheel....just drive smooth. its really quite easy. -- Mycol G. Main [email hidden] [email hidden] ICQ#: 147824877 RAW ACID - pure as God intended it. Stript, strip tu, n (A. Sax. Strypt. D. Stripptenze ya) Lords with layers skinned to unveil its core in new light; oft demanded Album of a Lords Classic; raw, beautiful, ACID Explosion; party evolution. "Christian" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > I've been playing Nascar 2002 for a couple of days now. Just bought it > and a wheel/pedels on a whim. Ive been having a lot of fun... until I > found out I was using all of the drivers aids. Ok so I turned them all > off. WTF??? its completely impossible to drive now. Tell me > truthfully... how many of you can drive without traction control and > steering assistance? It is soo hard, I can barley make it into 4th on > daytona befor spinning wildly out of control on the straights even. Do > I just suck or is it possible? I am using a thrustmaster pro digital 2 > wheel and pedal combo... is this whats up? Please help, I was having > so much fun.. I even won a race online, but now I feel like I cheated. > > Christian

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> I've been playing Nascar 2002 for a couple of days now. Just bought it > and a wheel/pedels on a whim. Ive been having a lot of fun... until I > found out I was using all of the drivers aids. Ok so I turned them all > off. WTF??? its completely impossible to drive now. Tell me > truthfully... how many of you can drive without traction control and > steering assistance? It is soo hard, I can barley make it into 4th on > daytona befor spinning wildly out of control on the straights even. Do > I just suck or is it possible? I am using a thrustmaster pro digital 2 > wheel and pedal combo... is this whats up? Please help, I was having > so much fun.. I even won a race online, but now I feel like I cheated. > > Christian

do you have your controller in N2002 setup for a joystick or a wheel? and is the linerity slider set more to the left or right? There is always a breaking in period when longtime joystick or keyboard users take up a wheel, but use paitience and a light touch on your wheel and you'll get the hang of it. dave henrie

>"David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote > I have almost no NASCAR sim experience, but even for me Daytona is abreeze > with no aids (100% linear wheel setting). Something HAS to be off withyour > controller setup. So, speaking of NR2002, you like it David? -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- http://www.ymenard.8m.com/ -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimato Dominguez Corporation - helping America into the New World...

Ive never used any aids in any of the sims.. you say you bought a wheel... did you get a force feedback wheel by chance?? "Christian" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> I've been playing Nascar 2002 for a couple of days now. Just bought it > and a wheel/pedels on a whim. Ive been having a lot of fun... until I > found out I was using all of the drivers aids. Ok so I turned them all > off. WTF??? its completely impossible to drive now. Tell me > truthfully... how many of you can drive without traction control and > steering assistance? It is soo hard, I can barley make it into 4th on > daytona befor spinning wildly out of control on the straights even. Do > I just suck or is it possible? I am using a thrustmaster pro digital 2 > wheel and pedal combo... is this whats up? Please help, I was having > so much fun.. I even won a race online, but now I feel like I cheated. > > Christian >

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> "Christian" wrote in message > I've been playing Nascar 2002 for a couple of days now. Just bought it > and a wheel/pedels on a whim. Ive been having a lot of fun... until I > found out I was using all of the drivers aids. Ok so I turned them all > off. WTF??? its completely impossible to drive now. Tell me > truthfully... how many of you can drive without traction control and > steering assistance? It is soo hard, I can barley make it into 4th on > daytona befor spinning wildly out of control on the straights even. Do > I just suck or is it possible? I am using a thrustmaster pro digital 2 > wheel and pedal combo... is this whats up? Please help, I was having > so much fun.. I even won a race online, but now I feel like I cheated. > > Christian

One thing to also keep in mind; other than calibrating your wheel, is that it may be an operator problem. I say this not as an insult but let me explain. When in the turns at Daytona you do not have to keep turning the wheel. You should be able to have the wheel at mostly at the neutral (centered) position once you are "in" the turn, with the proper setup. You can get a good feel for this even with the in-game "Fast" setup as it has a fairly decent Camber setting. In my experience from the past with N4 and NR2K2 is that with proper setups if you turn the wheel too much in the turns it is possible to loop the car and back it into the wall as a result. But as others have already stated make sure that your wheel is properly calibrated first. HTH - Isotrip�

No... it is not force feedback. Its just a 60 dollor wheel, but from what I've been reading alot of people seem to like it. Christian "Blake" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:kbJc8.121274$[email hidden]...

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> Ive never used any aids in any of the sims.. you say you bought a wheel... > did you get a force feedback wheel by chance?? > > > "Christian" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > I've been playing Nascar 2002 for a couple of days now. Just bought it > > and a wheel/pedels on a whim. Ive been having a lot of fun... until I > > found out I was using all of the drivers aids. Ok so I turned them all > > off. WTF??? its completely impossible to drive now. Tell me > > truthfully... how many of you can drive without traction control and > > steering assistance? It is soo hard, I can barley make it into 4th on > > daytona befor spinning wildly out of control on the straights even. Do > > I just suck or is it possible? I am using a thrustmaster pro digital 2 > > wheel and pedal combo... is this whats up? Please help, I was having > > so much fun.. I even won a race online, but now I feel like I cheated. > > > > Christian > > > >

Hmmm... not sure what the controller is set as(joystick or wheel), just whatever it came up as. I went through the calibration setup in game, with no problems. Since writing the original post I can now run pretty good laps at daytona and talladega. Coca Cola is still pretty hard though, but you guys where right.. just takes practice. One more question though. I have my linerity set to 85%... .should it be lower or higher. And I noticed that my wheel is taking axis 0 in the calibration screen, and my throttle brake pedals are sharing axis 2... is this normal? Thanks for you help! -Christian "Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:ThFc8.23656$[email hidden]...

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> > "Christian" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > I've been playing Nascar 2002 for a couple of days now. Just bought it > > and a wheel/pedels on a whim. Ive been having a lot of fun... until I > > found out I was using all of the drivers aids. Ok so I turned them all > > off. WTF??? its completely impossible to drive now. Tell me > > truthfully... how many of you can drive without traction control and > > steering assistance? It is soo hard, I can barley make it into 4th on > > daytona befor spinning wildly out of control on the straights even. Do > > I just suck or is it possible? I am using a thrustmaster pro digital 2 > > wheel and pedal combo... is this whats up? Please help, I was having > > so much fun.. I even won a race online, but now I feel like I cheated. > > > > Christian > do you have your controller in N2002 setup for a joystick or a wheel?

and > is the linerity slider set more to the left or right? There is always a > breaking in period when longtime joystick or keyboard users take up awheel, > but use paitience and a light touch on your wheel and you'll get the hangof > it. > dave henrie > >

"Christian" wrote... > I've been playing Nascar 2002 for a couple of days now. > Just bought it and a wheel/pedels on a whim. Ive been > having a lot of fun... until I found out I was using > all of the drivers aids. <snip> What probably happened there is that you got into some bad habits using the aids (too rough on the controls basically), so leave the game aside for a day or so and then "feel" your way back into it. Remember you must "burp" the throttle (let up momentarily when shifting up) when running without aids to prevent overrevving the engine and snap oversteer. Also, AFAIK your wheel doesn't have an analog clutch pedal, so you should leave auto clutch on. Otherwise you will stall the engine frequently. As pointed out by other poster wheel users should use the linear steering setting. HTH, Jan. =--- "Pay attention when I'm talking to you boy!" -Foghorn Leghorn.

Other than the clutch (because I don't have one), I haven't used any of the assists ever in Nascar Racing XXX. I do in GPL from time to time when I'm first starting out on a new track. -Larry "Christian" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> I've been playing Nascar 2002 for a couple of days now. Just bought it > and a wheel/pedels on a whim. Ive been having a lot of fun... until I > found out I was using all of the drivers aids. Ok so I turned them all > off. WTF??? its completely impossible to drive now. Tell me > truthfully... how many of you can drive without traction control and > steering assistance? It is soo hard, I can barley make it into 4th on > daytona befor spinning wildly out of control on the straights even. Do > I just suck or is it possible? I am using a thrustmaster pro digital 2 > wheel and pedal combo... is this whats up? Please help, I was having > so much fun.. I even won a race online, but now I feel like I cheated. > > Christian

Yes, and the Wheel Lock is set to sensitive by default on the provided setups. Start with it at 32, and then make it more sensitive from there as you feel is needed. Keep the RR Spring soft, the spoiler at 70 and the front-end pushy until you get a better handle on the car. -Larry "Rod Prince" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:MPG.16ddc6fb96a48d36989ba4@news-server...

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> In article <[email hidden]>, > [email hidden] says... > > > how many of you can drive without traction control and > > steering assistance? It is soo hard, I can barley make it into 4th on > > daytona befor spinning wildly out of control on the straights even. Do > > I just suck or is it possible? I am using a thrustmaster pro digital 2 > > wheel and pedal combo... is this whats up? Please help, I was having > > so much fun.. I even won a race online, but now I feel like I cheated. > > Maybe you should try recalibrating. On Daytona, the only time I spin off > is when it's assisted by either the AI or an online competitor. For me > to spin while I'm alone would require me to really yank the wheel > around like crazy. > > Cheers, > Rod.

Excellent. :-) David G Fisher "ymenard" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:YNHc8.13613$[email hidden]...

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> >"David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote > > I have almost no NASCAR sim experience, but even for me Daytona is a > breeze > > with no aids (100% linear wheel setting). Something HAS to be off with > your > > controller setup. > > > So, speaking of NR2002, you like it David? > > > > > > > > -- > -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> > -- http://www.ymenard.8m.com/ > -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimato Dominguez > Corporation - helping America into the New World... > > >

I find that force feedback really helps you catch the car early before there are any visible signs of an on-coming spin. But I assure you that 'most' people here play them with no driving aids. :) "Christian" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> I've been playing Nascar 2002 for a couple of days now. Just bought it > and a wheel/pedels on a whim. Ive been having a lot of fun... until I > found out I was using all of the drivers aids. Ok so I turned them all > off. WTF??? its completely impossible to drive now. Tell me > truthfully... how many of you can drive without traction control and > steering assistance? It is soo hard, I can barley make it into 4th on > daytona befor spinning wildly out of control on the straights even. Do > I just suck or is it possible? I am using a thrustmaster pro digital 2 > wheel and pedal combo... is this whats up? Please help, I was having > so much fun.. I even won a race online, but now I feel like I cheated. > > Christian

"Christian" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<a50o7a$[email hidden]>... > Hmmm... not sure what the controller is set as(joystick or wheel), just > whatever it came up as. I went through the calibration setup in game, with > no problems. Since writing the original post I can now run pretty good laps > at daytona and talladega. Coca Cola is still pretty hard though, but you > guys where right.. just takes practice. One more question though. I have my > linerity set to 85%... .should it be lower or higher. Christian, it depends on the accuracy of your wheel. Using a USB wheel you should be able to use 100% linearity without a problem (100% = same input response as a real car). However, depending on your wheel, 100% may be too twitchy. What I would recommend is to set it to 100%, turn on "moving steering wheel" in the graphics options, and then get in the car and see if the wheel twitches (you may get a tiny bit of twitchiness with the wheel turned all the way to either side, but the most important thing is having smooth input around the center). If it does, slowly lower the linearity until the twitching stops. Running with the linearity at 100% may take a bit to get used to, but trust me, it's better to get used to it now while you're starting than to have to readjust your driving style later. If you do find that the steering responds too quickly (i.e. normal input makes the car spin) my recommendation would be to just practice and use less input. Once you've practiced some more, you should be able to turn respectable laps at almost every track with almost no wheel movement (at Daytona, for instance, you should be turning a tiiiiiny bit entering the turn and then the wheel should be almost centered until the exit, where you'll actually need to steer right a little). Also, while you'll be slower than you need to be to race online, start out with the easy setups. They're meant for people who are new to racing sims. They don't tend to turn by themselves as well, so you'll need to use a bit more steering input than with the fast setups (which are the setups usually used in fixed-setup races) but they're a lot more forgiving of mistakes. Finally, don't waste your time in 'Arcade' mode. You'll learn nothing about how to really drive one of these cars and if you've already invested money in the game/wheel as well as finding r.a.s. I'm sure you're interested in really driving these beasts, not piddling around with Daytona USA 2002. =) Jason

Jason, Thanks for the reply.. great advice. =) -cb "jason moyer" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > "Christian" <[email hidden]> wrote in messagenews:<a50o7a$[email hidden]>... > > Hmmm... not sure what the controller is set as(joystick or wheel), just > > whatever it came up as. I went through the calibration setup in game,with > > no problems. Since writing the original post I can now run pretty goodlaps > > at daytona and talladega. Coca Cola is still pretty hard though, but you > > guys where right.. just takes practice. One more question though. I havemy

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> > linerity set to 85%... .should it be lower or higher. > > Christian, it depends on the accuracy of your wheel. Using a USB > wheel you should be able to use 100% linearity without a problem (100% > = same input response as a real car). However, depending on your > wheel, 100% may be too twitchy. What I would recommend is to set it > to 100%, turn on "moving steering wheel" in the graphics options, and > then get in the car and see if the wheel twitches (you may get a tiny > bit of twitchiness with the wheel turned all the way to either side, > but the most important thing is having smooth input around the > center). If it does, slowly lower the linearity until the twitching > stops. Running with the linearity at 100% may take a bit to get used > to, but trust me, it's better to get used to it now while you're > starting than to have to readjust your driving style later. If you do > find that the steering responds too quickly (i.e. normal input makes > the car spin) my recommendation would be to just practice and use less > input. Once you've practiced some more, you should be able to turn > respectable laps at almost every track with almost no wheel movement > (at Daytona, for instance, you should be turning a tiiiiiny bit > entering the turn and then the wheel should be almost centered until > the exit, where you'll actually need to steer right a little). > > Also, while you'll be slower than you need to be to race online, start > out with the easy setups. They're meant for people who are new to > racing sims. They don't tend to turn by themselves as well, so you'll > need to use a bit more steering input than with the fast setups (which > are the setups usually used in fixed-setup races) but they're a lot > more forgiving of mistakes. > > Finally, don't waste your time in 'Arcade' mode. You'll learn nothing > about how to really drive one of these cars and if you've already > invested money in the game/wheel as well as finding r.a.s. I'm sure > you're interested in really driving these beasts, not piddling around > with Daytona USA 2002. =) > > Jason

Christian, I've got the Thrustmaster Pro Digital (not the "2" model) but they are basically the same. What OS are you running? I'm running XP with a 3 axis 8 button driving controller in the game controllers part of settings/control panel. In NR2002, Axis 2 for the steering, Axis 0 for the throttle and Axis 1 for the brake. this is using the direct input driver. You should be able to have a separate axis for the throtlle than the brake. You may be able to run the thrustmaster software for your wheel and detach the throttle and brake so they are on their own axis. The idea for example at Daytona is to keep your foot on the gas at all times and tap the brake to maintain the draft. If you take your foot off of the gas you'll lose momentum. On Wed, 20 Feb 2002 10:00:09 -0800, "Christian" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>Hmmm... not sure what the controller is set as(joystick or wheel), just >whatever it came up as. I went through the calibration setup in game, with >no problems. Since writing the original post I can now run pretty good laps >at daytona and talladega. Coca Cola is still pretty hard though, but you >guys where right.. just takes practice. One more question though. I have my >linerity set to 85%... .should it be lower or higher. And I noticed that my >wheel is taking axis 0 in the calibration screen, and my throttle brake >pedals are sharing axis 2... is this normal? Thanks for you help! > >-Christian > > >"Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >news:ThFc8.23656$[email hidden]... >> >> "Christian" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >> news:[email hidden]... >> > I've been playing Nascar 2002 for a couple of days now. Just bought it >> > and a wheel/pedels on a whim. Ive been having a lot of fun... until I >> > found out I was using all of the drivers aids. Ok so I turned them all >> > off. WTF??? its completely impossible to drive now. Tell me >> > truthfully... how many of you can drive without traction control and >> > steering assistance? It is soo hard, I can barley make it into 4th on >> > daytona befor spinning wildly out of control on the straights even. Do >> > I just suck or is it possible? I am using a thrustmaster pro digital 2 >> > wheel and pedal combo... is this whats up? Please help, I was having >> > so much fun.. I even won a race online, but now I feel like I cheated. >> > >> > Christian >> do you have your controller in N2002 setup for a joystick or a wheel? >and >> is the linerity slider set more to the left or right? There is always a >> breaking in period when longtime joystick or keyboard users take up a >wheel, >> but use paitience and a light touch on your wheel and you'll get the hang >of >> it. >> dave henrie >> >> >

A lower linearity might be easier to control I use 70% with my wheel. Christian wrote:

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> > Hmmm... not sure what the controller is set as(joystick or wheel), just > whatever it came up as. I went through the calibration setup in game, with > no problems. Since writing the original post I can now run pretty good laps > at daytona and talladega. Coca Cola is still pretty hard though, but you > guys where right.. just takes practice. One more question though. I have my > linerity set to 85%... .should it be lower or higher. And I noticed that my > wheel is taking axis 0 in the calibration screen, and my throttle brake > pedals are sharing axis 2... is this normal? Thanks for you help! > > -Christian > > "Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:ThFc8.23656$[email hidden]... > > > > "Christian" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:[email hidden]... > > > I've been playing Nascar 2002 for a couple of days now. Just bought it > > > and a wheel/pedels on a whim. Ive been having a lot of fun... until I > > > found out I was using all of the drivers aids. Ok so I turned them all > > > off. WTF??? its completely impossible to drive now. Tell me > > > truthfully... how many of you can drive without traction control and > > > steering assistance? It is soo hard, I can barley make it into 4th on > > > daytona befor spinning wildly out of control on the straights even. Do > > > I just suck or is it possible? I am using a thrustmaster pro digital 2 > > > wheel and pedal combo... is this whats up? Please help, I was having > > > so much fun.. I even won a race online, but now I feel like I cheated. > > > > > > Christian > > do you have your controller in N2002 setup for a joystick or a wheel? > and > > is the linerity slider set more to the left or right? There is always a > > breaking in period when longtime joystick or keyboard users take up a > wheel, > > but use paitience and a light touch on your wheel and you'll get the hang > of > > it. > > dave henrie > > > >

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