Where Are R.A.S. N2002 Online Drivers?

Where do you guys go to race? I haven't seen any familiar names (everybody uses nicknames anyway) at the Sierra.com servers. So far the racing there has been kind of chaotic. Too many crashes and a lot of bickering/bitching/finger pointing/etc. It seems like a mix of very good drivers, and some others who must be on acid. Daytona is pretty damn easy to keep the car under control even for me with my limited NASCAR sim experience (handful of hours), so I don't know what some of those guys are doing. Some of you now have the chance to humiliate me on the track after all these years of debate. Of course if I beat you, you should feel pretty ashamed of yourself. :-p Seriously though, I just want to get in on some clean racing. I do need some tips on track etiquette. I know F1, but NASCAR is a different story. The big question I have is the following: I couldn't avoid an accident tonight at Daytona and ended up a half lap down at the start. On the last lap, the leaders came up behind me on the final turn. What exactly am I supposed to do in that situation? The spotter doesn't even let you know they're there until they are very close behind (view in mirror is limited, and I don't think I heard them until about the same time the spotter notified me). Everything turned out fine, and I think the winner even used me to draft himself to the win, but I want to make sure I do the right thing in that situation. I saved the replay if someone wants to check it out and let me know what I did right/wrong. My online name is DaveGF BTW. David G Fisher

Why that's easy, if you were a real NASCAR driver, you would block!! "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:SkEc8.54815$[email hidden]... > > I do need some tips on track etiquette. I know F1, but NASCAR is adifferent > story. The big question I have is the following: I couldn't avoid an > accident tonight at Daytona and ended up a half lap down at the start.On > the last lap, the leaders came up behind me on the final turn. Whatexactly > am I supposed to do in that situation? The spotter doesn't even letyou know > they're there until they are very close behind (view in mirror islimited, > and I don't think I heard them until about the same time the spotter > notified me). Everything turned out fine, and I think the winner evenused > me to draft himself to the win, but I want to make sure I do the rightthing > in that situation. I saved the replay if someone wants to check it outand > let me know what I did right/wrong. >

In article <SkEc8.54815$[email hidden]>, [email hidden] says... > What exactly am I supposed to do in that situation? The spotter doesn't > even let you know they're there until they are very close behind (view > in mirror is limited, and I don't think I heard them until about the same > time the spotter notified me). Everything turned out fine, and I think the > winner even used me to draft himself to the win, but I want to make sure I > do the right thing in that situation. I'm no NASCAR expert myself, but I found just holding your line is often enough and if I'm on a straight I'll take the high line provided they aren't trying to pass high. If I see them in my mirrors prior to the spotter telling me the leaders are coming, I'll generally take a higher line and not hug the yellow line anyway. IIRC, hit M, you'll find the mirrors alot more useful. Takes away the roll cage and the spoiler. (haven't got NR2002 yet as it isn't out here but I'm sure that's the key for N4) Cheers, Rod.

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> > I do need some tips on track etiquette. I know F1, but NASCAR is a different > story. The big question I have is the following: I couldn't avoid an > accident tonight at Daytona and ended up a half lap down at the start. On > the last lap, the leaders came up behind me on the final turn. What exactly > am I supposed to do in that situation? The spotter doesn't even let you know > they're there until they are very close behind (view in mirror is limited, > and I don't think I heard them until about the same time the spotter > notified me). Everything turned out fine, and I think the winner even used > me to draft himself to the win, but I want to make sure I do the right thing > in that situation. I saved the replay if someone wants to check it out and > let me know what I did right/wrong.

I always race with my F2 menu displayed. Hitting the space bar toggles the interval in front of & behind you. When the leaders come up & you're in the turns, stay up high out of the preferred line. On the straights, I usually just hold my position. Don't make any quick moves. Ignore the idiots & have fun! UncleFester70 on Sierra.com. -- Fester "Is it that we need a nobrainer Linux desktop OS for people with no brains or should people do a little more reading and smarten up?" from alt.linux.mandrake NG

Always have your F2 key on, hit spacebar, so you know who's who. Sounds like you were still on the lead lap, is that right? Leaders caught you on last turn, of last lap........I wouldn't worry about it, race is very close to being over, as long as you weren't markedly slower because of damage, etc. If they caught you earlier, still try to stay on the lead lap, but don't force the issue. Also, hit you N key; it'll give you a wider mirror view than the roll cage one, assuming that's what you're mentioning below. -John "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:SkEc8.54815$[email hidden]... > Where do you guys go to race? I haven't seen any familiar names (everybody > uses nicknames anyway) at the Sierra.com servers. So far the racing there > has been kind of chaotic. Too many crashes and a lot of > bickering/bitching/finger pointing/etc. It seems like a mix of very good > drivers, and some others who must be on acid. Daytona is pretty damn easyto > keep the car under control even for me with my limited NASCAR simexperience > (handful of hours), so I don't know what some of those guys are doing. > > Some of you now have the chance to humiliate me on the track after allthese > years of debate. Of course if I beat you, you should feel pretty ashamedof > yourself. :-p Seriously though, I just want to get in on some cleanracing. > > I do need some tips on track etiquette. I know F1, but NASCAR is adifferent > story. The big question I have is the following: I couldn't avoid an > accident tonight at Daytona and ended up a half lap down at the start. On > the last lap, the leaders came up behind me on the final turn. Whatexactly > am I supposed to do in that situation? The spotter doesn't even let youknow > they're there until they are very close behind (view in mirror is limited, > and I don't think I heard them until about the same time the spotter > notified me). Everything turned out fine, and I think the winner even used > me to draft himself to the win, but I want to make sure I do the rightthing

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> in that situation. I saved the replay if someone wants to check it out and > let me know what I did right/wrong. > > My online name is DaveGF BTW. > > David G Fisher > > >

"John Pancoast" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Always have your F2 key on, hit spacebar, so you know who's who. Uncle Fester suggested that too, and I see how it will help now. > Sounds > like you were still on the lead lap, is that right? Yes. >Leaders caught you on > last turn, of last lap........I wouldn't worry about it, race is veryclose > to being over, as long as you weren't markedly slower because of damage, > etc. > If they caught you earlier, still try to stay on the lead lap, but don't > force the issue. > > Also, hit you N key; it'll give you a wider mirror view than the rollcage > one, assuming that's what you're mentioning below. I saw that in the manual just a little while ago. Much better without the roll cage. Mirror is an awful big hit on the fps. David G Fisher

"Rod Prince" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:MPG.16ddbeda425ba559989ba3@news-server... > In article <SkEc8.54815$[email hidden]>, > I'm no NASCAR expert myself, but I found just holding your line is > often enough and if I'm on a straight I'll take the high line provided > they aren't trying to pass high. If I see them in my mirrors prior to > the spotter telling me the leaders are coming, I'll generally take a > higher line and not hug the yellow line anyway. That's pretty much how I thought I should behave. > IIRC, hit M, you'll find the mirrors alot more useful. Takes away the > roll cage and the spoiler. (haven't got NR2002 yet as it isn't out here > but I'm sure that's the key for N4) You use both the N and M key now. David G Fisher

Yep. If you're a lapped car in this situation, get out of the way for those racing for the win. Also, the Sierra.com races aren't much different than a pickup race on VROC, so be forewarned :) A league's the way to go. -John "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:UdGc8.55366$[email hidden]...

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> > "John Pancoast" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > Always have your F2 key on, hit spacebar, so you know who's who. > > Uncle Fester suggested that too, and I see how it will help now. > > > Sounds > > like you were still on the lead lap, is that right? > > Yes. > > >Leaders caught you on > > last turn, of last lap........I wouldn't worry about it, race is very > close > > to being over, as long as you weren't markedly slower because of damage, > > etc. > > If they caught you earlier, still try to stay on the lead lap, but

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> > force the issue. > > > > Also, hit you N key; it'll give you a wider mirror view than the roll > cage > > one, assuming that's what you're mentioning below. > > I saw that in the manual just a little while ago. Much better without the > roll cage. Mirror is an awful big hit on the fps. > > David G Fisher > > > >

"John Pancoast" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Yep. If you're a lapped car in this situation, get out of the way forthose > racing for the win. Also, the Sierra.com races aren't much different > than a pickup race on VROC, so be forewarned :) I've found that out VERY quickly. It's amazing that so many people can't even line up, and stay lined up until they drop the flag. How hard is it to stay behind the car in front of you? :-) > A league's the way to go. Any links? David G Fisher

Try here, in the online racing section for some league links. There's a LOT of Nascar leagues out there; many more than on this site, and many more than GPL, so don't be afraid to search around. http://www.sportplanet.com/team-lightspeed/ -John "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:kIGc8.55525$[email hidden]...

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> "John Pancoast" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > Yep. If you're a lapped car in this situation, get out of the way for > those > > racing for the win. Also, the Sierra.com races aren't much different > > than a pickup race on VROC, so be forewarned :) > > I've found that out VERY quickly. It's amazing that so many people can't > even line up, and stay lined up until they drop the flag. How hard is it

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> stay behind the car in front of you? :-) > > > A league's the way to go. > > Any links? > > David G Fisher > >

>"David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote > Where do you guys go to race? Considering a vast majority of old simracers who do race Stockcars sims have raced on the NROS back with TEN, we have almost all evolved from pickup racing to league racing David. A few of us tend to do semi-regular pickup racing, but it's really only a few people left. There is also this thing, called OLR ;-) > So far the racing there has been kind of chaotic. Too many crashes and alot of > bickering/bitching/finger pointing/etc. It seems like a mix of very good > drivers, and some others who must be on acid. Daytona is pretty damn easyto > keep the car under control even for me with my limited NASCAR simexperience > (handful of hours), so I don't know what some of those guys are doing. That's where you understand why we evolved into leagues :) Considering the free nature of the Won servers, after the demise of the NROS we all really either stopped racing or went into leagues. That started back with Nascar Racing 3. We were alienated by the poor quality of drivers. They are mostly, kids or gamers with not much racing abilities nor the willing to possess those abilities. It's a shame, but serious pickup racing died when the NROS closed. Sure you will find some good experience, but they will be alternated with trully horrible races. >.On the last lap, the leaders came up behind me on the final turn. Whatexactly > am I supposed to do in that situation? Keep a steady line is an absolute. Since they see you far ahead, they will try to keep a line that won't go directly onto your path. The last thing you want to do is to steer out of the way at the last minute, because where you will go is probably where they will go also. If you are in the turns, the high line is the best line to go and let them pass under you. On the straight, you should normally go low and let them pass high. That's where the danger relies, as it's the opposite on the straights then into the corners. > The spotter doesn't even let you know > they're there until they are very close behind (view in mirror is limited, > and I don't think I heard them until about the same time the spotter > notified me). F2 + enter :) > My online name is DaveGF BTW. Noted. I'm ymenard, since half a decade :) -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- http://www.ymenard.8m.com/ -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimato Dominguez Corporation - helping America into the New World...

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> > "John Pancoast" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > Yep. If you're a lapped car in this situation, get out of the way for > those > > racing for the win. Also, the Sierra.com races aren't much different > > than a pickup race on VROC, so be forewarned :) > > I've found that out VERY quickly. It's amazing that so many people can't > even line up, and stay lined up until they drop the flag. How hard is it to > stay behind the car in front of you? :-) > > > A league's the way to go. > > Any links? > > David G Fisher

http://ntrplus.com/ They have a special event coming up called the Triple 500 that I'm considering signing up for. You'll have to be pretty good just to make the qualifying heats. ;-) -- Fester "Is it that we need a nobrainer Linux desktop OS for people with no brains or should people do a little more reading and smarten up?" from alt.linux.mandrake NG

As soon as I get my hands on a copy I'll let you know Dave.. :-) As for Do's and Dont's.... Just be clean careful and have patience. Normally there *will* be some wrecking in a race - especially in open [low-rank] races with big fields... Patience is a virtue here.. As for that Daytona race... it's sounds to me like you did the right thing... that is try to cause as little problems for the leaders as possible... and I think most leaders woud prefer if you keep a high line and give them the inside of the turns. Feel free to join the draft though... providing it can make a difference for you end result and that you keep out of harms way - i.e at the back of the pack.. The one thing to remember though - is that these Superspeedway races are 99% strategy - you got to be in the right posistion on the last few laps - the previous laps dont count much at all.. Depending upon your car and "speed" I'de say that the right spot if 2nd. or 3rd. - if you're running in a pack.. Qualifying upfont is only an advantage incase of a start incident whilch is bound to happen with big fields... there's always someone who reckon they can win the race going into turn 1. Lastly... don't try to "bumb-draft"... it simply don't work and above all, it is dangerous and stupid. -- ed_ [E.Solheim - online] "David G Fisher" wrote: > My online name is DaveGF BTW.

Onlineracin.com Scott PA-Scott "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:SkEc8.54815$[email hidden]... > Where do you guys go to race? I haven't seen any familiar names (everybody > uses nicknames anyway) at the Sierra.com servers. So far the racing there > has been kind of chaotic. Too many crashes and a lot of > bickering/bitching/finger pointing/etc. It seems like a mix of very good > drivers, and some others who must be on acid. Daytona is pretty damn easyto > keep the car under control even for me with my limited NASCAR simexperience > (handful of hours), so I don't know what some of those guys are doing. > > Some of you now have the chance to humiliate me on the track after allthese > years of debate. Of course if I beat you, you should feel pretty ashamedof > yourself. :-p Seriously though, I just want to get in on some cleanracing. > > I do need some tips on track etiquette. I know F1, but NASCAR is adifferent > story. The big question I have is the following: I couldn't avoid an > accident tonight at Daytona and ended up a half lap down at the start. On > the last lap, the leaders came up behind me on the final turn. Whatexactly > am I supposed to do in that situation? The spotter doesn't even let youknow > they're there until they are very close behind (view in mirror is limited, > and I don't think I heard them until about the same time the spotter > notified me). Everything turned out fine, and I think the winner even used > me to draft himself to the win, but I want to make sure I do the rightthing

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> in that situation. I saved the replay if someone wants to check it out and > let me know what I did right/wrong. > > My online name is DaveGF BTW. > > David G Fisher > > >

Rats! I was afraid that after last Sunday's Daytona race, this blocking shit would become more prevelant :( You think it's a wreck-fest on WON now? Wait till this sets in :( Everyone will forget the bad out-come of all that blocking last week :( -Larry "Haqsau" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:a4v3t8$3aubt$[email hidden]...

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> Why that's easy, if you were a real NASCAR driver, you would block!! > > "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:SkEc8.54815$[email hidden]... > > > > I do need some tips on track etiquette. I know F1, but NASCAR is a > different > > story. The big question I have is the following: I couldn't avoid an > > accident tonight at Daytona and ended up a half lap down at the start. > On > > the last lap, the leaders came up behind me on the final turn. What > exactly > > am I supposed to do in that situation? The spotter doesn't even let > you know > > they're there until they are very close behind (view in mirror is > limited, > > and I don't think I heard them until about the same time the spotter > > notified me). Everything turned out fine, and I think the winner even > used > > me to draft himself to the win, but I want to make sure I do the right > thing > > in that situation. I saved the replay if someone wants to check it out > and > > let me know what I did right/wrong. > > >

"ymenard" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:mUHc8.13615$[email hidden]... > >"David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote > > Where do you guys go to race? > > Considering a vast majority of old simracers who do race Stockcars simshave > raced on the NROS back with TEN, we have almost all evolved from pickup > racing to league racing David. A few of us tend to do semi-regular pickup > racing, but it's really only a few people left. > > There is also this thing, called OLR ;-) What's OLR? Onlinracin.com? > > So far the racing there has been kind of chaotic. Too many crashes and a > lot of > > bickering/bitching/finger pointing/etc. It seems like a mix of very good > > drivers, and some others who must be on acid. Daytona is pretty damneasy

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> to > > keep the car under control even for me with my limited NASCAR sim > experience > > (handful of hours), so I don't know what some of those guys are doing. > > > That's where you understand why we evolved into leagues :) Considering

the > free nature of the Won servers, after the demise of the NROS we all really > either stopped racing or went into leagues. That started back with Nascar > Racing 3. We were alienated by the poor quality of drivers. They are > mostly, kids or gamers with not much racing abilities nor the willing to > possess those abilities. It's a shame, but serious pickup racing diedwhen > the NROS closed. Sure you will find some good experience, but they willbe > alternated with trully horrible races. It's the same with every online racing game unfortunately. Don't know why I was surprised especially after hearing all the complaints here. David G Fisher

"David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:p3Tc8.55832 > It's the same with every online racing game unfortunately. Don't know whyI > was surprised especially after hearing all the complaints here. The only reliable answer seems to be "join a league". Unfortunately, to do that you either have to: 1) have a friend in a league that will invite you and put up with your learning curve 2) learn on the public servers until you have the ability and/or clean-driving reputation to join a league 3) run your own server and slowly filter out the idiots until you have a good core group (which is essentially what a league does, but in reverse) I haven't even tried Nascar X (3, 4, Heat, 2002, etc.) online because of the stories I've heard. I did option "2" for GPL, and hopefully I'll never have to drive the public VROC servers again!

Not really. There's plenty of leagues that will take on "strangers," at any level. Attitude and the willingness to learn are all most leagues ask. OSCAR's a good example, good place to start, among others. It is true that some leagues are very cliqueish.........stay away from those, to be sure. -John "Rob Adams" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:tiTc8.3581$Qq1.18881@shaw-ty2...

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> > > The only reliable answer seems to be "join a league". Unfortunately, to do > that you either have to: > > 1) have a friend in a league that will invite you and put up with your > learning curve > 2) learn on the public servers until you have the ability and/or > clean-driving reputation to join a league > 3) run your own server and slowly filter out the idiots until you have a > good core group (which is essentially what a league does, but in reverse) > > I haven't even tried Nascar X (3, 4, Heat, 2002, etc.) online because of

the > stories I've heard. I did option "2" for GPL, and hopefully I'll neverhave > to drive the public VROC servers again! > >

So are most r.a.s. NASCAR drivers are spread out in different leagues? I'd prefer to race against familiar names even if some of them would love to see me crashing into the infield wall. :-) David G Fisher "John Pancoast" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Not really. There's plenty of leagues that will take on "strangers," at > any level. Attitude and the willingness to learn are all most leaguesask.

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> OSCAR's a good example, good place to start, among others. > > It is true that some leagues are very cliqueish.........stay away from > those, to be sure. > > -John > > > "Rob Adams" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:tiTc8.3581$Qq1.18881@shaw-ty2... > > > > > The only reliable answer seems to be "join a league". Unfortunately, to

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> > that you either have to: > > > > 1) have a friend in a league that will invite you and put up with your > > learning curve > > 2) learn on the public servers until you have the ability and/or > > clean-driving reputation to join a league > > 3) run your own server and slowly filter out the idiots until you have a > > good core group (which is essentially what a league does, but in

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> > > > I haven't even tried Nascar X (3, 4, Heat, 2002, etc.) online because of > the > > stories I've heard. I did option "2" for GPL, and hopefully I'll never > have > > to drive the public VROC servers again! > > > > > >

You might want to give N2002 a try. I haven't been exactly subtle in my criticism of NASCAR, but I do think it's an excellent sim and the online racing could be a blast if I could find some good drivers. Ian M. and I are going to race once he gets a copy in England in early March. David G Fisher "Rob Adams" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:tiTc8.3581$Qq1.18881@shaw-ty2... > "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:p3Tc8.55832 > I haven't even tried Nascar X (3, 4, Heat, 2002, etc.) online because ofthe > stories I've heard. I did option "2" for GPL, and hopefully I'll neverhave > to drive the public VROC servers again! > >

Yeah, probably so. That, and I think Nascar sim racers are in the minority here? But you've got the right idea; find a good league, and it's a hoot. One of the most fun parts of stock car sim racing, is that you're _always_ racing someone on an oval, whereas in GPL i.e., the field can get spread out at times on the long circuits. That's one thing that the Sierra races are good for if you're new to Nascar online racing; enter them, don't even try to win. Just concentrate on managing traffic, finishing the race, etc. It'll really help a newbie, plus, if nothing else, the flamefests are usually good entertainment :) -John "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:xHTc8.55851$[email hidden]... > So are most r.a.s. NASCAR drivers are spread out in different leagues? I'd > prefer to race against familiar names even if some of them would love tosee

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> > any level. Attitude and the willingness to learn are all most leagues > ask. > > OSCAR's a good example, good place to start, among others. > > > > It is true that some leagues are very cliqueish.........stay away from > > those, to be sure. > > > > -John > > > > > > "Rob Adams" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:tiTc8.3581$Qq1.18881@shaw-ty2... > > > > > > > The only reliable answer seems to be "join a league". Unfortunately,

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> do > > > that you either have to: > > > > > > 1) have a friend in a league that will invite you and put up with your > > > learning curve > > > 2) learn on the public servers until you have the ability and/or > > > clean-driving reputation to join a league > > > 3) run your own server and slowly filter out the idiots until you have

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> > the > > > stories I've heard. I did option "2" for GPL, and hopefully I'll never > > have > > > to drive the public VROC servers again! > > > > > > > > > > > >

In article <[email hidden]>, Uncle Fester <[email hidden]> writes: >I always race with my F2 menu displayed. Hitting the space bar toggles >the interval in front of & behind you. When the leaders come up & >you're in the turns, stay up high out of the preferred line. On the >straights, I usually just hold my position. Don't make any quick >moves. Ignore the idiots & have fun! They put that back in? Cool - I don't think that worked in N4, and I thought it was dumb that they took it out... Eldred -- Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPLRank - under construction... Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

Well I *would* but here's the profile of my current gaming time: 80%: Dark Age of Camelot, an on-line role-playing game that is the software equivalent of cocaine 20%: GPL, practicing for league races, and suffering badly for the lack of practice. I owned N3, played an offline championship then uninstalled it I own N4, have done maybe 20 laps. I think I got my fill of sim-Nascar with N3. I owned Heat, played it for a couple of days then gave it to my nephew If Rally Trophy ever comes out in Canada, that might take some time away from DAOC (or even GPL!). $60 plus tax for NR 2002 is too much for the off-chance that I might enjoy it enough to play it regularly. "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:tKTc8.55853$[email hidden]... > You might want to give N2002 a try. I haven't been exactly subtle in my > criticism of NASCAR, but I do think it's an excellent sim and the online > racing could be a blast if I could find some good drivers. Ian M. and Iare

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> going to race once he gets a copy in England in early March. > > David G Fisher > > "Rob Adams" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:tiTc8.3581$Qq1.18881@shaw-ty2... > > "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

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> > I haven't even tried Nascar X (3, 4, Heat, 2002, etc.) online because of > the > > stories I've heard. I did option "2" for GPL, and hopefully I'll never > have > > to drive the public VROC servers again! > > > > > >

>"David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote > So are most r.a.s. NASCAR drivers are spread out in different leagues? I'd > prefer to race against familiar names even if some of them would love tosee > me crashing into the infield wall. :-) Yes, that would be the case. There are so many leagues, that they also are of so many different types. 7 days per week, some have multiple divisions, some with different rules (track length, open or fixed setups, etc...). There's regional leagues, leagues that are made of "old veterans" from back on the NROS and Hawaii, league open to everybody, etc... OLR is Online Racing, you will probably find the most members of the community there, but you have to pay for it. I, personally, am not a member of OLR because I don't feel the need to pay as I only run 2 leagues per week. http://www.onlineracin.com/ -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- http://www.ymenard.8m.com/ -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimato Dominguez Corporation - helping America into the New World...

"David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:tKTc8.55853$[email hidden]... > You might want to give N2002 a try. I haven't been exactly subtle in my > criticism of NASCAR, but I do think it's an excellent sim and the online > racing could be a blast if I could find some good drivers. Ian M. and Iare > going to race once he gets a copy in England in early March. Be sure to spend some time figuring out the replay theatre, then we can all see how well you two do. dave henrie

Well I was being facetious, but you are probably right, the Daytona 500 made it look like it is okay to block, and people probably will. I have yet to play on-line myself (still learning to handle traffic) but I can imagine the mayhem that might cause. "Larry (The Other Larry)" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:1JSc8.12701$[email hidden]... > Rats! > > I was afraid that after last Sunday's Daytona race, this blocking shitwould > become more prevelant :( > > You think it's a wreck-fest on WON now? Wait till this sets in :( > > Everyone will forget the bad out-come of all that blocking last week:(

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> > -Larry > > "Haqsau" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:a4v3t8$3aubt$[email hidden]... > > Why that's easy, if you were a real NASCAR driver, you would block!! > > > > "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:SkEc8.54815$[email hidden]... > > > > > > I do need some tips on track etiquette. I know F1, but NASCAR is a > > different > > > story. The big question I have is the following: I couldn't avoid

an > > > accident tonight at Daytona and ended up a half lap down at thestart. > > On > > > the last lap, the leaders came up behind me on the final turn.What > > exactly > > > am I supposed to do in that situation? The spotter doesn't evenlet > > you know > > > they're there until they are very close behind (view in mirror is > > limited, > > > and I don't think I heard them until about the same time thespotter > > > notified me). Everything turned out fine, and I think the winnereven > > used > > > me to draft himself to the win, but I want to make sure I do theright > > thing > > > in that situation. I saved the replay if someone wants to check itout > > and > > > let me know what I did right/wrong. > > > > > > >

"David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<SkEc8.54815$[email hidden]>... > Where do you guys go to race? I haven't seen any familiar names (everybody > uses nicknames anyway) at the Sierra.com servers. I mostly race offline or VROC, but I'm on sierra.com now and then as jwmoyer. Haven't had time/effort to race N2002 much since my league is still using N4, but I'm sure I'll be around a lot soon. The problem with sierra.com is that there are normally around 200 people racing, 90 in password-protected leagues and the other 100 are racing at Coca Cola, Daytona, or Talladega. In N4 I don't think I raced a single short track or road course race once my ratings were around 2-3 since I *never* saw anyone in the 3-10 races. FWIW, I raced the night N2002 came out with Uncle Fester at Coca Cola and I recognize lots of people on r.a.s. from N4's sierra.com lobbies so I'm sure at some point you'll find people. The sim's new so I'm sure not many people have switched over yet. > bickering/bitching/finger pointing/etc. It seems like a mix of very good > drivers, and some others who must be on acid. I've driven on sierra.com under the influence of hallucinogenics and I'm pretty sure I was more cautious/consistent than normal (BE THE CAR, man =). Really, I think there are a lot of people who a.) have a huge ego (i.e. think they're dale earnhardt) and try to drive beyond their abilities - something that experience will tell you not to do and b.) don't care/drive with the keyboard. > Daytona is pretty damn easy to > keep the car under control even for me with my limited NASCAR sim experience > (handful of hours), so I don't know what some of those guys are doing. The biggest thing is, N2002 is possibly the first Papy game I find more fun to race against AI than real people (outside of a league setting). The real joy in N4/N2002 is getting into a league and having standings/points and that sort of pressure week in/week out while actually having a reason to learn more than 2-3 tracks in the game. Plus you know the other people out there are practicing and care about the race too. It's mind boggling to me that I just finished a 70 lap race at Daytona in OSCAR's sunday night rookie division and there were only *4* cautions (all caused by warp too, rather than bad driving). On a LAN, I'm almost positive we could do a 200 lapper with no cautions, and we're a rookie league... If you can deal with being at the bottom of the food chain, sign up for OSCAR's firebrand series. I've been racing sims since 94 and I'm having a ball even though I'm technically 'starting out'. Jason http://firebrand11.stargate.net

"Larry \(The Other Larry\)" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<1JSc8.12701$[email hidden]>... > I was afraid that after last Sunday's Daytona race, this blocking shit would > become more prevelant :( I don't see what's wrong with someone holding the ideal, low line to keep someone from passing for position. It's up to the person behind them to find a partner and go around on the outside (like the real guys do) or to back off. Racing is about being in first place, not letting people pass you. If someone rearends you it's their fault, not yours (sort of like real life street driving, actually). There's nothing more annoying in N4/N2002 than to have someone hit you from behind, which is why I never drive open Bristol or Richmond races anymore (usually I'm rearended going into turn 1 and at least one other time before I've completed a lap). Now, if you're talking about lapped cars blocking the leaders, that annoys me. If you're a lap down, get out of the way and grab on to the end of the train. I've picked up several positions at some races by sticking to the back of the lead pack and letting the train catch up to and pass slower cars. What annoys me more than anything is when I'm in the lead pack (say, 4th place) and there's a slow car approaching and the leader dives to pass him and the last minute and everyone behind him ends up ramming into the lapped car since they couldn't see him (sort of like when someone switches lanes on the highway to pass a car that's turning left and then the next car comes and POW accident). Jason

"David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<kIGc8.55525$[email hidden]>... > Any links? www.flashpointracing.net Jason

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> > In article <[email hidden]>, Uncle Fester <[email hidden]> > writes: > > >I always race with my F2 menu displayed. Hitting the space bar toggles > >the interval in front of & behind you. When the leaders come up & > >you're in the turns, stay up high out of the preferred line. On the > >straights, I usually just hold my position. Don't make any quick > >moves. Ignore the idiots & have fun! > > They put that back in? Cool - I don't think that worked in N4, and I thought > it was dumb that they took it out...

?? Sure worked here in N4! -- Fester "Is it that we need a nobrainer Linux desktop OS for people with no brains or should people do a little more reading and smarten up?" from alt.linux.mandrake NG

David G Fisher wrote: > > So are most r.a.s. NASCAR drivers are spread out in different leagues? I'd > prefer to race against familiar names even if some of them would love to see > me crashing into the infield wall. :-) Leagues are the way to go if your schedule allows for it. Mine does not, yet. So I'm stuck with pick-up races on Sierra.com along with the occasional special event. Most late nights you'll catch me out on the Dega/Tona/Coca-cola circuit. Need help getting to sleep after a day's work. <g> -- Fester "Is it that we need a nobrainer Linux desktop OS for people with no brains or should people do a little more reading and smarten up?" from alt.linux.mandrake NG

jason moyer wrote: > > FWIW, I raced the night N2002 came out with Uncle Fester at Coca Cola > and I recognize lots of people on r.a.s. from N4's sierra.com lobbies > so I'm sure at some point you'll find people. The sim's new so I'm > sure not many people have switched over yet. I *thought* that was you! Didn't wanna ruin your concentration with stupid questions though. :-P -- Fester "Is it that we need a nobrainer Linux desktop OS for people with no brains or should people do a little more reading and smarten up?" from alt.linux.mandrake NG

That's where I just was. ;-) David G Fisher "Uncle Fester" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Leagues are the way to go if your schedule allows for it. Mine does > not, yet. So I'm stuck with pick-up races on Sierra.com along with the > occasional special event. Most late nights you'll catch me out on the > Dega/Tona/Coca-cola circuit. Need help getting to sleep after a day's > work. <g>

Uncle Fester <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>... > I *thought* that was you! Didn't wanna ruin your concentration with > stupid questions though. :-P Not a problem. =p It was my first race immediately after unwrapping the package. Took the pole, hung around 2nd-4th for a few laps, then made a huge slingshot down the backstretch into first place...into turn 3...overcorrected on the steering...wheels on apron...headfirst into turn 2 wall...bye bye motor. At least I got confirmation that the damage model has been fixed. =) Ugh. So busy working on my GPLRank and staying sharp in N4 for OSCAR I haven't been back on sierra.com with n2k2 since then. Maybe I'll be able to squeeze a few hours in this weekend. Jason

What's N4? <G> -John "jason moyer" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Uncle Fester <[email hidden]> wrote in messagenews:<[email hidden]>...

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> > > I *thought* that was you! Didn't wanna ruin your concentration with > > stupid questions though. :-P > > Not a problem. =p > > It was my first race immediately after unwrapping the package. Took > the pole, hung around 2nd-4th for a few laps, then made a huge > slingshot down the backstretch into first place...into turn > 3...overcorrected on the steering...wheels on apron...headfirst into > turn 2 wall...bye bye motor. At least I got confirmation that the > damage model has been fixed. =) > > Ugh. So busy working on my GPLRank and staying sharp in N4 for OSCAR > I haven't been back on sierra.com with n2k2 since then. Maybe I'll be > able to squeeze a few hours in this weekend. > > Jason

In article <tiTc8.3581$Qq1.18881@shaw-ty2>, "Rob Adams" <[email hidden]> writes: >I haven't even tried Nascar X (3, 4, Heat, 2002, etc.) online because of the >stories I've heard. I did option "2" for GPL, and hopefully I'll never have >to drive the public VROC servers again! So says the "Watkins Glen Slasher"...<ducking> Eldred -- Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPLRank - under construction... Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

In article <[email hidden]>, Uncle Fester <[email hidden]> writes: >> They put that back in? Cool - I don't think that worked in N4, and I >thought >> it was dumb that they took it out... > > >?? Sure worked here in N4! Oh, damn...I just re-read the message. Spacebar in N4 - it was <enter> in N3, right? Ok, now it makes sense... Eldred -- Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPLRank - under construction... Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden] (jason moyer) writes: >What annoys me more than anything is when I'm in the lead pack (say, >4th place) and there's a slow car approaching and the leader dives to >pass him and the last minute and everyone behind him ends up ramming >into the lapped car since they couldn't see him (sort of like when >someone switches lanes on the highway to pass a car that's turning >left and then the next car comes and POW accident). But can't you guys see the slower car, too? Therefore, you should know you're about to catch him. If not, that sounds like a GREAT tactic by the leader - swerve at the last second...eliminate most of the field...cruise to victory.<g> Eldred -- Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPLRank - under construction... Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

[email hidden] (EldredP) wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>... > But can't you guys see the slower car, too? Depends on where you are. If you're right on someone's bumper (as is often the case at the plate tracks) you can't really see much besides the car in front of you. If you're lucky you'll catch the slower car on a turn. On the looooong backstretch at Dega good luck knowing what's going on 2 car lengths in front of you. You can use F2 but when you're driving in a pack at 200mph you're often too busy working the brake and watching the space directly around your car to give the F2 view a lot of attention. As far as using that as a strategy goes, try that in a league I'm in and good luck completing a lap in the next race. =) Jason

You really ought to be able to look through the window of the guy in front of you and see what is going on ahead. I do that all the time in rush hour traffic, makes it a lot easier to get to work quickly without bumps and scrapes. ;o) "jason moyer" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > [email hidden] (EldredP) wrote in messagenews:<[email hidden]>...

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> > > But can't you guys see the slower car, too? > > Depends on where you are. If you're right on someone's bumper (as is > often the case at the plate tracks) you can't really see much besides > the car in front of you. If you're lucky you'll catch the slower car > on a turn. On the looooong backstretch at Dega good luck knowing > what's going on 2 car lengths in front of you. You can use F2 but > when you're driving in a pack at 200mph you're often too busy working > the brake and watching the space directly around your car to give the > F2 view a lot of attention. > > As far as using that as a strategy goes, try that in a league I'm in > and good luck completing a lap in the next race. =) > > Jason

"Haqsau" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<a58gj2$5eo1r$[email hidden]>... > You really ought to be able to look through the window of the guy in > front of you and see what is going on ahead. I do that all the time in > rush hour traffic, makes it a lot easier to get to work quickly without > bumps and scrapes. ;o) Huh. I'll have to try that and see how it goes. Thanks. Jason

"David G Fisher" wrote... > So are most r.a.s. NASCAR drivers are spread out in different > leagues? I'd prefer to race against familiar names even if some > of them would love to see me crashing into the infield wall. :-) I enjoy seeing anyone running ahead of me in the order stuffing it. ;-) Seriously, perhaps r.a.s. regular en server host extra-ordinaire Eldred would care to organise a couple of 200milers for the denizens to flex their stock car muscles in. Just a suggestion, seeing as we're nearly out of original GPL tracks to host GPs at. Should get my hands on a review copy later this week, if multiplayer is still noCD, I'd be in business. If not, I'll just have to wait another few days for a retail copy to be delivered. Jan. =--- "Pay attention when I'm talking to you boy!" -Foghorn Leghorn.

"Jan Verschueren" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> "David G Fisher" wrote... > > So are most r.a.s. NASCAR drivers are spread out in different > > leagues? I'd prefer to race against familiar names even if some > > of them would love to see me crashing into the infield wall. :-) > > I enjoy seeing anyone running ahead of me in the order stuffing it. ;-) > > Seriously, perhaps r.a.s. regular en server host extra-ordinaire Eldred > would care to organise a couple of 200milers for the denizens to flex

their > stock car muscles in. How about it Eldred?

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> > "Jan Verschueren" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > "David G Fisher" wrote... > > > So are most r.a.s. NASCAR drivers are spread out in different > > > leagues? I'd prefer to race against familiar names even if some > > > of them would love to see me crashing into the infield wall. :-) > > > > I enjoy seeing anyone running ahead of me in the order stuffing it. ;-) > > > > Seriously, perhaps r.a.s. regular en server host extra-ordinaire Eldred > > would care to organise a couple of 200milers for the denizens to flex > their > > stock car muscles in. > > How about it Eldred?

Cmon Eldred, we're waiting! <g> -- Fester "Is it that we need a nobrainer Linux desktop OS for people with no brains or should people do a little more reading and smarten up?" from alt.linux.mandrake NG

What they said! :) -John "Uncle Fester" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> David G Fisher wrote: > > > > "Jan Verschueren" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:[email hidden]... > > > "David G Fisher" wrote... > > > > So are most r.a.s. NASCAR drivers are spread out in different > > > > leagues? I'd prefer to race against familiar names even if some > > > > of them would love to see me crashing into the infield wall. :-) > > > > > > I enjoy seeing anyone running ahead of me in the order stuffing it.

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> > > would care to organise a couple of 200milers for the denizens to flex > > their > > > stock car muscles in. > > > > How about it Eldred? > > > Cmon Eldred, we're waiting! <g> > > -- > > Fester > > "Is it that we need a nobrainer Linux desktop OS for people with no > brains or should people do a little more reading and smarten up?" > from alt.linux.mandrake NG

On Sun, 24 Feb 2002 14:54:18 -0700, "John Pancoast" <[email hidden]> wrote: > What they said! :) > >-John BRING IT ON!! :D Andre

On Sun, 24 Feb 2002 14:54:18 -0700, "John Pancoast" > What they said! :) >-John BRING IT ON!! :D Andre

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yeah, i really missed a r.a.s. server in N4, Guy's server was probably the closest, but it had bad latency. What about a server with a password only distibuted on this newsgroups ? -- Olav K. Malmin remove .spam when replying

"EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > In article <tiTc8.3581$Qq1.18881@shaw-ty2>, "Rob Adams" > <[email hidden]> writes: > > >I haven't even tried Nascar X (3, 4, Heat, 2002, etc.) online because ofthe > >stories I've heard. I did option "2" for GPL, and hopefully I'll neverhave > >to drive the public VROC servers again! > > So says the "Watkins Glen Slasher"...<ducking> After Norisring on Saturday, I think Alan Owens has taken over that title (sorry Alan if you're reading).

In article <a58gj2$5eo1r$[email hidden]>, "Haqsau" <[email hidden]> writes: >You really ought to be able to look through the window of the guy in >front of you and see what is going on ahead. I do that all the time in >rush hour traffic, makes it a lot easier to get to work quickly without >bumps and scrapes. ;o) That's what *I* was thinking - I couldn't imagine that you COULDN'T see such a car... Eldred -- Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPLRank - under construction... Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

In article <[email hidden]>, "Jan Verschueren" <[email hidden]> writes: >Seriously, perhaps r.a.s. regular en server host extra-ordinaire Eldred >would care to organise a couple of 200milers for the denizens to flex their >stock car muscles in. > >Just a suggestion, seeing as we're nearly out of original GPL tracks to host >GPs at. zzzzzzzz....>snort< ...huh...? :-) Sorry, I don't have N2002 yet. I know someone who would make it 'available' to me, but that copy wouldn't do any good online. Eldred -- Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPLRank - under construction... Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

In article <[email hidden]>, Uncle Fester <[email hidden]> writes:

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>> > Seriously, perhaps r.a.s. regular en server host extra-ordinaire Eldred >> > would care to organise a couple of 200milers for the denizens to flex >> their >> > stock car muscles in. >> >> How about it Eldred? > > >Cmon Eldred, we're waiting! <g>

Oh, good GRIEF...! :-) I don't HAVE the program, guys... I really would if I had it. Really... Eldred -- Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPLRank - under construction... Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

It's only been released in the U.S. so many don't have a copy they can use online yet. Not until March 1st. David G Fisher "EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > In article <[email hidden]>, "Jan Verschueren" > <[email hidden]> writes: > > >Seriously, perhaps r.a.s. regular en server host extra-ordinaire Eldred > >would care to organise a couple of 200milers for the denizens to flextheir > >stock car muscles in. > > > >Just a suggestion, seeing as we're nearly out of original GPL tracks tohost > >GPs at. > > zzzzzzzz....>snort< ...huh...? :-) > > Sorry, I don't have N2002 yet. I know someone who would make it'available' to

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you > with experience... > Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

"EldredP" wrote... > > <snip> > zzzzzzzz....>snort< ...huh...? :-) > > Sorry, I don't have N2002 yet. I know someone who would > make it 'available' to me, but that copy wouldn't do any > good online. No rush, no obligation Eldred. Don't have the game yet either. I was hoping to be able to try a buddy's review copy on Friday and leave it installed, but you're saying, unlike GPL, multiplayer requires the full retail version at both host and client? Jan. =--- "Pay attention when I'm talking to you boy!" -Foghorn Leghorn.

EldredP wrote: > > Oh, good GRIEF...! :-) > I don't HAVE the program, guys... I really would if I had it. Really... Only $35 at BestBuy. I know you can. :-) -- Fester "Is it that we need a nobrainer Linux desktop OS for people with no brains or should people do a little more reading and smarten up?" from alt.linux.mandrake NG

On Tue, 26 Feb 2002 13:37:20 GMT, Uncle Fester <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>EldredP wrote: >> >> Oh, good GRIEF...! :-) >> I don't HAVE the program, guys... I really would if I had it. Really... > > >Only $35 at BestBuy. I know you can. :-)

If you buy N2002 Eldred, I promise I will never make fun of your bowling hobby! Andre PS wait, I never did make fun of that actually.. well there's allways a first time.. :)

To race online via the Sierra/Won servers, you have to have a full install with the CD Key entered. Racing with a copy which is hard because 2002 uses a fairly recent update of securerom could cause you to be unable to log on if the previous owner has already registered the cd. However that shouldn't be a problem if you are direct connecting via the IP#. dave henrie "Jan Verschueren" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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hoping > to be able to try a buddy's review copy on Friday and leave it installed, > but you're saying, unlike GPL, multiplayer requires the full retailversion

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>On Tue, 26 Feb 2002 13:37:20 GMT, Uncle Fester <[email hidden]> >wrote: > >>EldredP wrote: >>> >>> Oh, good GRIEF...! :-) >>> I don't HAVE the program, guys... I really would if I had it. Really... >> >> >>Only $35 at BestBuy. I know you can. :-) > >If you buy N2002 Eldred, I promise I will never make fun of your >bowling hobby!

It's a financial issue - as in, I don't HAVE any. I'm even going to quit bowling next season because of it, so you won't be ABLE to make fun of it...<g> Eldred -- Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPLRank - under construction... Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

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>> Sorry, I don't have N2002 yet. I know someone who would >> make it 'available' to me, but that copy wouldn't do any >> good online. > >No rush, no obligation Eldred. Don't have the game yet either. I was hoping >to be able to try a buddy's review copy on Friday and leave it installed, >but you're saying, unlike GPL, multiplayer requires the full retail version >at both host and client?

Well, I 'assumed' it was like N4, where you need the keycode to connect to the Sierra Server... Eldred -- Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPLRank - under construction... Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.