Opinons on Logitech Momo Wheel

I have the original Logitech FF and was wondering if the new Momo version improves on the pedals or any of the the other functions? Thanks, Whodaguy

The pedals are much the same but look nicer, the wheel is better all round with more buttons and better feeling. "whodaguy" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:vuIc8.30662$[email hidden]...

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> I have the original Logitech FF and was wondering if the new Momo version > improves on the pedals or any of the the other functions? > > Thanks, > Whodaguy > >

Although the pedals are close to the same design is the originals they have a few two things that make the 100% better. First is that they now have a nice wide pedal tops. Second is the pedal tops are on hinges so it's much more comfortable and allows you to push on them at better angles. "Paulinho" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:a508v0$9i$[email hidden]... > The pedals are much the same but look nicer, the wheel is better all round > with more buttons and better feeling. > "whodaguy" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:vuIc8.30662$[email hidden]... > > I have the original Logitech FF and was wondering if the new Momoversion

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> > improves on the pedals or any of the the other functions? > > > > Thanks, > > Whodaguy > > > > > >

On Wed, 20 Feb 2002 13:39:45 +0000 (UTC), "Paulinho" <[email hidden]> wrote: >The pedals are much the same but look nicer, the wheel is better all round >with more buttons and better feeling. The pedals are definately not the same. They have a pivot movement, making them much more comfortable. And with a squashball tucked under the brake pedal the Momo pedals are fantastic. I could never drive with the LWFF pedals, replaced those very soon for CH pedals. Andre

"Murchman" <[email hidden]> writes: > Although the pedals are close to the same design is the originals they have > a few two things that make the 100% better. First is that they now have a > nice wide pedal tops. Second is the pedal tops are on hinges so it's much > more comfortable and allows you to push on them at better angles. and they have a bigger footrest, so they don't scoot around on the floor. -- Gunnar #31 SUCKS#015 Tupperware MC#002 DoD#0x1B DoDRT#003 DoD:CT#4,8 Kibo�: 2 "a poster is a human being or the software equivalent"

They're still not great for people with big foots, though :( -Larry "Andre Warringa" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > On Wed, 20 Feb 2002 13:39:45 +0000 (UTC), "Paulinho" > <[email hidden]> wrote: > > >The pedals are much the same but look nicer, the wheel is better allround

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> >with more buttons and better feeling. > > The pedals are definately not the same. They have a pivot movement, > making them much more comfortable. And with a squashball tucked under > the brake pedal the Momo pedals are fantastic. > I could never drive with the LWFF pedals, replaced those very soon for > CH pedals. > > Andre

I have a size 12 foot and have no problems with them. How big a foot do you have? Murchman "Larry (The Other Larry)" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:6wSc8.12695$[email hidden]...

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> They're still not great for people with big foots, though :( > > -Larry > > "Andre Warringa" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > On Wed, 20 Feb 2002 13:39:45 +0000 (UTC), "Paulinho" > > <[email hidden]> wrote: > > > > >The pedals are much the same but look nicer, the wheel is better all > round > > >with more buttons and better feeling. > > > > The pedals are definately not the same. They have a pivot movement, > > making them much more comfortable. And with a squashball tucked under > > the brake pedal the Momo pedals are fantastic. > > I could never drive with the LWFF pedals, replaced those very soon for > > CH pedals. > > > > Andre > >

On Wed, 20 Feb 2002 19:09:54 GMT, "Larry \(The Other Larry\)" <[email hidden]> wrote: >They're still not great for people with big foots, though :( > >-Larry Size Euro 46.5 here, that UK12 and USA14 I believe.. :) Andre

I love the wheel but I use the Actlabs Performace pedals, make a great combo. "Andre Warringa" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> On Wed, 20 Feb 2002 19:09:54 GMT, "Larry \(The Other Larry\)" > <[email hidden]> wrote: > > >They're still not great for people with big foots, though :( > > > >-Larry > > Size Euro 46.5 here, that UK12 and USA14 I believe.. :) > > Andre

i had the original formula force, with the wheel that is entirely red, and just bought the MOMO. Here are my observations. MOMO pedals are better. The pedal base is heavier, so it does not move about. The dual articulated pedals also make gas and brake precision much easier. MOMO steering accuracy is better. This may be a function of my Formula Force being a couple of years older. Either way, it's easier to maintain the proper line in the corners. Formula Force, with cables rather than gears, was/is much smoother. You can feel the gears in the MOMO; feeling a bit notchy. The FF wheel did not feel that way. Formula Force has better feedback. It is stronger, and seems more accurate. Not by much, but noticeable. MOMO wheel has less play in bearings. Reportedly the MOMO has a huge metal ball bearing in the wheel mechanism. The Formula Force has only plastic bushings, which are only about an inch in diameter. Pictures of the MOMO's bearings appear to be about 3". MOMO buttons are harder to find when driving. This may be something that just takes time to get used to. MOMO wheel is not as grippy. The grippy rubber on the original FF is easy to hang on to. The leather on the MOMO is cool, but not necessarily better. I would rather they canned the trademark name and leather, and save us some money. Overall the MOMO has improved my lap times and control. Actual feel, subjectively, is not as good. Button placement, gear feeling, leather vs rubber, etc, are the downsides. I'm hoping in time I'll get used the differences. From a reality standpoint, the cable drive in the original is much more realistic, no matter how used you get to the MOMO, to the gear drive. "whodaguy" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:vuIc8.30662$[email hidden]...

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> I have the original Logitech FF and was wondering if the new Momo version > improves on the pedals or any of the the other functions? > > Thanks, > Whodaguy > >

"John Bowen" <[email hidden]> wrote: > MOMO wheel is not as grippy. The grippy rubber on the original FF is easy > to hang on to. The leather on the MOMO is cool, but not necessarilybetter. > I would rather they canned the trademark name and leather, and save ussome > money. I've found that the leather makes my thumbs black (the default setting for my hands appears to be 'sweaty'). I bought some cycling gloves, so it's not a problem anymore now. Expect I wear gloves at my PC, which is pretty lame when I think about it... :) Ice D

The leather would be OK if is wasn't so rock-hard. Nowhere near as comfortable as the LWFF IMO. The pivoting pedals are better though.

I agree with your comment about dropping the momo name, and especially the fancy leather. But, I said the same thing about my Ferrari Formula Force.. they should drop the "Ferrari".... But then you gotta think, is dropping the "MOMO" name gonna save them money?? Think about how many more units they sold because people are like "It says momo maaan". But hey, I ain't no marketing major :) Mike http://mikebeauchamp.com "John Bowen" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:hlad8.107116$Pz4.499632@rwcrnsc53... > i had the original formula force, with the wheel that is entirely red, and > just bought the MOMO. Here are my observations. > > MOMO pedals are better. The pedal base is heavier, so it does notmove

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> about. The dual articulated pedals also make gas and brake precision much > easier. > > MOMO steering accuracy is better. This may be a function of my Formula > Force being a couple of years older. Either way, it's easier to maintain > the proper line in the corners. > > Formula Force, with cables rather than gears, was/is much smoother. You

can > feel the gears in the MOMO; feeling a bit notchy. The FF wheel did notfeel > that way. > > Formula Force has better feedback. It is stronger, and seems moreaccurate. > Not by much, but noticeable. > > MOMO wheel has less play in bearings. Reportedly the MOMO has a hugemetal > ball bearing in the wheel mechanism. The Formula Force has only plastic > bushings, which are only about an inch in diameter. Pictures of theMOMO's

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> bearings appear to be about 3". > > MOMO buttons are harder to find when driving. This may be something that > just takes time to get used to. > > MOMO wheel is not as grippy. The grippy rubber on the original FF is easy > to hang on to. The leather on the MOMO is cool, but not necessarily

better. > I would rather they canned the trademark name and leather, and save ussome > money. > > Overall the MOMO has improved my lap times and control. Actual feel, > subjectively, is not as good. Button placement, gear feeling, leather vs > rubber, etc, are the downsides. I'm hoping in time I'll get used the > differences. From a reality standpoint, the cable drive in the originalis

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> much more realistic, no matter how used you get to the MOMO, to the gear > drive. > > > > "whodaguy" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:vuIc8.30662$[email hidden]... > > I have the original Logitech FF and was wondering if the new Momo

version

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> > improves on the pedals or any of the the other functions? > > > > Thanks, > > Whodaguy > > > > > >

On Thu, 21 Feb 2002 17:43:41 GMT, "John Bowen" <[email hidden]> wrote: >Formula Force, with cables rather than gears, was/is much smoother. You can >feel the gears in the MOMO; feeling a bit notchy. The FF wheel did not feel >that way. True, but give the Momo a couple of racing hours to rub in. It gets smoother then. >Formula Force has better feedback. It is stronger, and seems more accurate. >Not by much, but noticeable. Have to disagree here, but there were different versions of the LWFF, having a different quality of ff. The LWFF was smoother, but ff was way weaker on my system. >MOMO buttons are harder to find when driving. This may be something that >just takes time to get used to. Agree, the LWFF buttons were better. Especially the 2 bottom buttons on the Momo can hardly be reached quickly without looking. >MOMO wheel is not as grippy. The grippy rubber on the original FF is easy >to hang on to. The leather on the MOMO is cool, but not necessarily better. >I would rather they canned the trademark name and leather, and save us some >money. Matter of getting used to. For long races the Momo is really much more comfortable than the LWFF. Andre

The MOMO has much stronger force than the LWFF - but it's not needed IMO. You have to turn it down to 20-30% in most games to avoid permanent injury.

On Fri, 22 Feb 2002 22:03:17 +1000, "Damien Smith" <[email hidden]> wrote: >The MOMO has much stronger force than the LWFF - but it's not needed IMO. >You have to turn it down to 20-30% in most games to avoid permanent injury. Permanent injury is a bit of an exaggeration I think :) Andre

Aloha and thanks to everyone who replied to my question. Not a runaway improvement so I think I'll just replace the bearings on my original and drop the $150 on a new GeForce 4! Whodaguy "whodaguy" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:vuIc8.30662$[email hidden]...

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> I have the original Logitech FF and was wondering if the new Momo version > improves on the pedals or any of the the other functions? > > Thanks, > Whodaguy > >

I dunno... My Cat tried to sharpen it's claws on it and got thrown across the room! Just kidding :) -Larry "Andre Warringa" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > On Fri, 22 Feb 2002 22:03:17 +1000, "Damien Smith" > <[email hidden]> wrote: > > >The MOMO has much stronger force than the LWFF - but it's not needed IMO. > >You have to turn it down to 20-30% in most games to avoid permanentinjury. > > Permanent injury is a bit of an exaggeration I think :) > > Andre

About the same, but 4E. -Larry "Murchman" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:a50sc7$3m39q$[email hidden]... > I have a size 12 foot and have no problems with them. How big a foot doyou

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> have? > > Murchman > > "Larry (The Other Larry)" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:6wSc8.12695$[email hidden]... > > They're still not great for people with big foots, though :( > > > > -Larry > > > > "Andre Warringa" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:[email hidden]... > > > On Wed, 20 Feb 2002 13:39:45 +0000 (UTC), "Paulinho" > > > <[email hidden]> wrote: > > > > > > >The pedals are much the same but look nicer, the wheel is better all > > round > > > >with more buttons and better feeling. > > > > > > The pedals are definately not the same. They have a pivot movement, > > > making them much more comfortable. And with a squashball tucked under > > > the brake pedal the Momo pedals are fantastic. > > > I could never drive with the LWFF pedals, replaced those very soon for > > > CH pedals. > > > > > > Andre > > > > > >

Jeez :) That's ass-whoopin' equipment! -Larry "Andre Warringa" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> On Wed, 20 Feb 2002 19:09:54 GMT, "Larry \(The Other Larry\)" > <[email hidden]> wrote: > > >They're still not great for people with big foots, though :( > > > >-Larry > > Size Euro 46.5 here, that UK12 and USA14 I believe.. :) > > Andre

I'd be very intersted in how you set that up :) -Larry "Morris Jones" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> I love the wheel but I use the Actlabs Performace pedals, make a great > combo. > > "Andre Warringa" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > On Wed, 20 Feb 2002 19:09:54 GMT, "Larry \(The Other Larry\)" > > <[email hidden]> wrote: > > > > >They're still not great for people with big foots, though :( > > > > > >-Larry > > > > Size Euro 46.5 here, that UK12 and USA14 I believe.. :) > > > > Andre > >

On Fri, 22 Feb 2002 22:03:17 +1000, [email hidden] Damien Smith says... > >The MOMO has much stronger force than the LWFF - but it's not needed IMO. >You have to turn it down to 20-30% in most games to avoid permanent injury. I barely feel anything in GPL compared with the Saitek R4 Force...

says... I barely feel anything in GPL compared with the Saitek R4 Force...