Win 98 and Nascar 2002

Will Win. 2000 run nascar 2002 better than win98? I have a Pen.4-1.5ghz, Windows 98, 640 MB Ram, Elsa Gladiac 920 GeForce 3 64MB Video Card(over clocked),driver 21.83(i've tryed them all) , a Hitachi 21" Monitor, Desktop is 1024x768x16. I use the Enditall program, Nvmax, Cacheman, I've done every trick out there(core,rendogl ect..). I've tried every resolution in 2002, but I have to use open gl 800x600x16 to get the best FPS. With all med settings (some min), sounds down to 8. At Daytona at the rear I start out with 25fps, when the pack brakes away it gets higher, but if were still together coming around 4 it gets down to 25-28 fps. I was wondering if its win98? I'm thankful it runs but it just seems it should run better. If you have any ideas I would be thankful but if you don't that's ok. Happy racing. BeGods

Don't think it's 98; I'm using it, with a slightly lesser system than your, but with twice the fps. -John "Rubber Head" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> Will Win. 2000 run nascar 2002 better than win98? > I have a Pen.4-1.5ghz, Windows 98, 640 MB Ram, Elsa Gladiac 920 > GeForce 3 64MB Video Card(over clocked),driver 21.83(i've tryed them > all) , a Hitachi 21" Monitor, Desktop is 1024x768x16. I use the > Enditall program, Nvmax, Cacheman, I've done every trick out > there(core,rendogl ect..). I've tried every resolution in 2002, but I > have to use open gl 800x600x16 to get the best FPS. With all med > settings (some min), sounds down to 8. At Daytona at the rear I start > out with 25fps, when the pack brakes away it gets higher, but if were > still together coming around 4 it gets down to 25-28 fps. I was > wondering if its win98? I'm thankful it runs but it just seems it > should run better. If you have any ideas I would be thankful but if > you don't that's ok. > Happy racing. > BeGods

John Pancoast <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Don't think it's 98; I'm using it, with a slightly lesser system than > your, but with twice the fps. > > -John Yup, sounds like a driver issue somewhere. I use Win XP Pro, but can say that Win98SE should be cranking more FPS than that. How many cars ahead do you have drawn ahead? That may be the issue. I get 50-60 FPS under Win XP with fairly high detail in 1024x768x16 without using any overclocking. 1.2Ghz AMD, GF3, 512MB RAM. I only have 15 cars ahead and 5 behind. 8 sounds heard, max world, car and trackside details. 80% draw ahead. All check boxes but wheel, anisotropic filtering (another FPS killer) and skid marks. Using 23.11 drivers (FSAA 2x enabled) and a SB Audigy sound card, 3d sound disabled. Of course I don't race offline so 15 cars ahead is typically a plenty for me, if you must have 30 or 42 cars ahead then you might need more horespower...

Doesn't Win 98 have a problem when dealing with more than 512 mb of ram. Performance actually degrades when you reach or go over the 512 mark. I've read about this a few times, but don't have a source handy. Anyone else care to comment. "SimRacer" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:xpcd8.26535$[email hidden]...

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> > John Pancoast <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > Don't think it's 98; I'm using it, with a slightly lesser system than > > your, but with twice the fps. > > > > -John > > Yup, sounds like a driver issue somewhere. I use Win XP Pro, but can say > that Win98SE should be cranking more FPS than that. How many cars ahead do > you have drawn ahead? That may be the issue. I get 50-60 FPS under Win XP > with fairly high detail in 1024x768x16 without using any overclocking. > 1.2Ghz AMD, GF3, 512MB RAM. I only have 15 cars ahead and 5 behind. 8

sounds > heard, max world, car and trackside details. 80% draw ahead. All checkboxes > but wheel, anisotropic filtering (another FPS killer) and skid marks.Using > 23.11 drivers (FSAA 2x enabled) and a SB Audigy sound card, 3d sound > disabled. Of course I don't race offline so 15 cars ahead is typically a > plenty for me, if you must have 30 or 42 cars ahead then you might needmore > horespower... > >

Win98 is choking on the 640 megs of Ram. UNLESS you really need that much for some application, pull out a stick and you should find things in Win98 run MUCH faster. The other OS's handle larger memory sizes better. Nothing wrong with win98, there are NO titles out there that I know of that NEED more than 512megs..but...it's just a known issue. dave henrie "Rubber Head" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Will Win. 2000 run nascar 2002 better than win98? > I have a Pen.4-1.5ghz, Windows 98, 640 MB Ram, Elsa Gladiac 920

"Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<UQjd8.111468$Pz4.518146@rwcrnsc53>...

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> Win98 is choking on the 640 megs of Ram. UNLESS you really need that much > for some application, pull out a stick and you should find things in Win98 > run MUCH faster. > The other OS's handle larger memory sizes better. Nothing wrong with > win98, there are NO titles out there that I know of that NEED more than > 512megs..but...it's just a known issue. > dave henrie > "Rubber Head" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > Will Win. 2000 run nascar 2002 better than win98? > > I have a Pen.4-1.5ghz, Windows 98, 640 MB Ram, Elsa Gladiac 920

Thanks for all the help. I'll pull a stick out to see what that does. Will let you know what happens. Thanks again BeGods

Its best to not go over 512MB RAM with Win98, it causes some programs to go wacky. The OS will run with more installed fine. but its just not really necessary. If you really have apps that need more than 512, you shouldn't be running any 9X OS in the first place. -- Biz "Don't touch that please, your primitive intellect wouldn't understand alloys and compositions and,......things with molecular structures,....and the....." - Ash Rubber Head <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > "Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<UQjd8.111468$Pz4.518146@rwcrnsc53>... > > Win98 is choking on the 640 megs of Ram. UNLESS you really need that much > > for some application, pull out a stick and you should find things in Win98 > > run MUCH faster. > > The other OS's handle larger memory sizes better. Nothing wrong with > > win98, there are NO titles out there that I know of that NEED more than > > 512megs..but...it's just a known issue. > > dave henrie > > "Rubber Head" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:[email hidden]... > > > Will Win. 2000 run nascar 2002 better than win98? > > > I have a Pen.4-1.5ghz, Windows 98, 640 MB Ram, Elsa Gladiac 920 > > Thanks for all the help. I'll pull a stick out to see what that does. > Will let you know what happens. > Thanks again > BeGods

"Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:UQjd8.111468$Pz4.518146@rwcrnsc53... > Win98 is choking on the 640 megs of Ram. UNLESS you really need thatmuch > for some application, pull out a stick and you should find things in Win98 > run MUCH faster. > The other OS's handle larger memory sizes better. Nothing wrong with > win98, there are NO titles out there that I know of that NEED more than > 512megs..but...it's just a known issue. > dave henrie And fixable. You just need to limit the Vcache to 512mb or less in the system.ini file to correct this issue.

"Rubber Head" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Thanks for all the help. I'll pull a stick out to see what that does. > Will let you know what happens. > Thanks again > BeGods You don't need to pull out a stick. Just open system.ini and scroll down to the [vcache] heading. Add this line below the heading, MaxFileCache=xxxx (xxxx being the amount of memory you want to use for Vcache measured in Kilobytes). Try this setting MaxFileCache=61440 That's 60mb (1024x60=61440) Save and reboot.

Don't even need to do that; just go into msconfig. Hit the advanced button, click on "limit memory to" and set it to whatever. -John "lane" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:a55lrm$504i8$[email hidden]...

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> > "Rubber Head" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > Thanks for all the help. I'll pull a stick out to see what that does. > > Will let you know what happens. > > Thanks again > > BeGods > > You don't need to pull out a stick. Just open system.ini and scroll down

to > the [vcache] heading. Add this line below the heading, MaxFileCache=xxxx > (xxxx being the amount of memory you want to use for Vcache measured in > Kilobytes). Try this setting MaxFileCache=61440 > That's 60mb (1024x60=61440) Save and reboot. > >

"John Pancoast" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Don't even need to do that; just go into msconfig. Hit the advanced > button, click on "limit memory to" and set it to whatever. > > -John That limits amount of ram to Win98. The problem with Win98 is not that it can't use over 512mb, but that Vcache will use it all up if you have over 512mb. The method I posted just limits amount to Vacache. This is the official fix posted by Microsoft in their Knowledge base article on this issue. What you posted is good for limiting the amount of available ram to windows for a game lik Longbow2 that won't run if you have over xxx ram installed.

This doesn't work for everyone, but it is still good to try... -Larry "lane" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:a55lrm$504i8$[email hidden]...

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> > "Rubber Head" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > Thanks for all the help. I'll pull a stick out to see what that does. > > Will let you know what happens. > > Thanks again > > BeGods > > You don't need to pull out a stick. Just open system.ini and scroll down

to > the [vcache] heading. Add this line below the heading, MaxFileCache=xxxx > (xxxx being the amount of memory you want to use for Vcache measured in > Kilobytes). Try this setting MaxFileCache=61440 > That's 60mb (1024x60=61440) Save and reboot. > >

Ah, ok, thanks. I stand corrected. LB2 is exactly what I use it for :) -John "lane" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:a5639l$4s4g2$[email hidden]...

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> > "John Pancoast" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > Don't even need to do that; just go into msconfig. Hit the advanced > > button, click on "limit memory to" and set it to whatever. > > > > -John > > That limits amount of ram to Win98. The problem with Win98 is not that it > can't use over 512mb, but that Vcache will use it all up if you have over > 512mb. The method I posted just limits amount to Vacache. This is the > official fix posted by Microsoft in their Knowledge base article on this > issue. What you posted is good for limiting the amount of available ram to > windows for a game lik Longbow2 that won't run if you have over xxx ram > installed. > >