96' Ferrari F1 - Irvine/Schumacher

I sat in Irvine/Schumacher's 96" F1 Ferrari today......prep for a seat pour next week. I'm going to get to test this car maybe next month at Willow Springs. I'd like to know some history on this car....but not being an F1 buff fan.....don't even know where to look. Here's what I know: 1. It was Irvine's back up car....and Michael's test car (didn't he join Ferrari mid-way through 96' or something). 2. It has Michael's pour seat in it now....and the suspension is set for Monaco....so that's probably where it was last run. 3. It has a titanium gearbox enclosure.....not carbon fiber...so that means it has some 95' aspects to it.....right? 4. Currently it has the high nose, but we have the low nose for it too. 5. The throttle is "fly by wire"....so that is a 96' aspect of the car, right? I'd appreciate any info you guys who follow F1 closely could provide on this car. Was it ever actually raced? That sort of stuff. I'm going to go slow.....I don't want to bend this piece of sweetness! Tom

yeah but is it Ferrari Red or Marlboro orange? dave henrie "Tom Pabst" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:ACld8.12621$2Q1.53696@rwcrnsc54... > I sat in Irvine/Schumacher's 96" F1 Ferrari today......prep for a seatpour

Red.....still have Irvine's name on it....but Michael's pour seat. TP "Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:SQld8.3921$%[email hidden]...

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> yeah but is it Ferrari Red or Marlboro orange? > dave henrie > "Tom Pabst" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:ACld8.12621$2Q1.53696@rwcrnsc54... > > I sat in Irvine/Schumacher's 96" F1 Ferrari today......prep for a seat > pour > >

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> > I sat in Irvine/Schumacher's 96" F1 Ferrari today......prep for a seat pour > next week. I'm going to get to test this car maybe next month at Willow > Springs. I'd like to know some history on this car....but not being an F1 > buff fan.....don't even know where to look. > > Here's what I know: > > 1. It was Irvine's back up car....and Michael's test car (didn't he join > Ferrari mid-way through 96' or something). > 2. It has Michael's pour seat in it now....and the suspension is set for > Monaco....so that's probably where it was last run. > 3. It has a titanium gearbox enclosure.....not carbon fiber...so that means > it has some 95' aspects to it.....right? > 4. Currently it has the high nose, but we have the low nose for it too. > 5. The throttle is "fly by wire"....so that is a 96' aspect of the car, > right? > > I'd appreciate any info you guys who follow F1 closely could provide on this > car. Was it ever actually raced? That sort of stuff. > > I'm going to go slow.....I don't want to bend this piece of sweetness! > > Tom

I hate you! I hate you! I hate you! I should be the one shaking down that ride! Never fails...the fast guys never get rides, but the chimps with $$$ gets them ;-) It ain't fair I tell you. <Grrrrrr> Gary

>"Tom Pabst" <[email hidden]> wrote > Red.....still have Irvine's name on it....but Michael's pour seat. The 1996 testing cars definitely were "Malboro Orange", at least the early testing cars that were used at Maranello. I'm almost sure of that, 90% sure. If there is no number in front of the rear wheels (the car had black side winglet panels like the front and rear wings), then it was an early testing car. If it has a shark nose, then it was one of their model after the Montr�al GP (First Friday practice was the last time Ferrari ever used a non-shark nose). The F310 before that was by far one the most beautiful modern Ferrari ever. Probably the most unique, I would say. -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- http://www.ymenard.8m.com/ -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimato Dominguez Corporation - helping America into the New World...

Lucky, lucky, lucky man. I hope you'll let us know how it goes. David G Fisher "Tom Pabst" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:ACld8.12621$2Q1.53696@rwcrnsc54... > I sat in Irvine/Schumacher's 96" F1 Ferrari today......prep for a seatpour

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> next week. I'm going to get to test this car maybe next month at Willow > Springs. I'd like to know some history on this car....but not being an F1 > buff fan.....don't even know where to look. > > Here's what I know: > > 1. It was Irvine's back up car....and Michael's test car (didn't he join > Ferrari mid-way through 96' or something). > 2. It has Michael's pour seat in it now....and the suspension is set for > Monaco....so that's probably where it was last run. > 3. It has a titanium gearbox enclosure.....not carbon fiber...so that

means > it has some 95' aspects to it.....right? > 4. Currently it has the high nose, but we have the low nose for it too. > 5. The throttle is "fly by wire"....so that is a 96' aspect of the car, > right? > > I'd appreciate any info you guys who follow F1 closely could provide onthis

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> car. Was it ever actually raced? That sort of stuff. > > I'm going to go slow.....I don't want to bend this piece of sweetness! > > Tom > >

"Tom Pabst" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:ACld8.12621$2Q1.53696@rwcrnsc54... > I sat in Irvine/Schumacher's 96" F1 Ferrari today......prep for a seatpour

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> next week. I'm going to get to test this car maybe next month at Willow > Springs. I'd like to know some history on this car....but not being an F1 > buff fan.....don't even know where to look. > > Here's what I know: > > 1. It was Irvine's back up car....and Michael's test car (didn't he join > Ferrari mid-way through 96' or something).

Schumi left Benneton at the end of '95, right after winning his second championship. > 2. It has Michael's pour seat in it now....and the suspension is set for > Monaco....so that's probably where it was last run. > 3. It has a titanium gearbox enclosure.....not carbon fiber...so thatmeans > it has some 95' aspects to it.....right? I believe that that is a '96 gear box, thought I don't know that much about F1 cars in the mid 90's, I believe that they probably ran a titanium gearbox in '96. Some teams still do so it is not totally out of the question that they may have run the car with it then. > 4. Currently it has the high nose, but we have the low nose for it too. > 5. The throttle is "fly by wire"....so that is a 96' aspect of the car, > right? I know that all cars are fly by wire now, so at worst it is '96, and at best it is more recent then that! Hope my limited knowledge helped you some, you lucky bastard! -Stuart Becktell > > I'd appreciate any info you guys who follow F1 closely could provide onthis

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> car. Was it ever actually raced? That sort of stuff. > > I'm going to go slow.....I don't want to bend this piece of sweetness! > > Tom > >

Tom, Check out this site. http://www.forix.com/asp/photos.asp?z=0&k=0&l=0&x=1&r=1996&f=jplc&i=0 It has a photo gallery for the 1996 season. Maybe it can help you. As I recall Michael crashed on the first or second lap, while leading. Chris G. "Tom Pabst" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:ACld8.12621$2Q1.53696@rwcrnsc54... > I sat in Irvine/Schumacher's 96" F1 Ferrari today......prep for a seatpour

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> next week. I'm going to get to test this car maybe next month at Willow > Springs. I'd like to know some history on this car....but not being an F1 > buff fan.....don't even know where to look. > > Here's what I know: > > 1. It was Irvine's back up car....and Michael's test car (didn't he join > Ferrari mid-way through 96' or something). > 2. It has Michael's pour seat in it now....and the suspension is set for > Monaco....so that's probably where it was last run. > 3. It has a titanium gearbox enclosure.....not carbon fiber...so that

means > it has some 95' aspects to it.....right? > 4. Currently it has the high nose, but we have the low nose for it too. > 5. The throttle is "fly by wire"....so that is a 96' aspect of the car, > right? > > I'd appreciate any info you guys who follow F1 closely could provide onthis

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> car. Was it ever actually raced? That sort of stuff. > > I'm going to go slow.....I don't want to bend this piece of sweetness! > > Tom > >

"Tom Pabst" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:6smd8.5363$[email hidden]... > Red.....still have Irvine's name on it....but Michael's pour seat. > > TP I couldn't believe how far back I had to go through the Forix galleries to find a real Ferrari. :) Here is a shot which shows a Ferrari tucked in behind a Mclaren. Todays's Ferrari paint is much closer to the Mac color than the deeper, richer Red used by Ferrari in the'good ol days.' dave henrie http://www.forix.com/asp/photos.asp?z=0&k=0&l=0&x=101&f=1990/11_IN_RN.JPG.

"Tom Pabst" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:ACld8.12621$2Q1.53696@rwcrnsc54... > I sat in Irvine/Schumacher's 96" F1 Ferrari today......prep for a seatpour

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> next week. I'm going to get to test this car maybe next month at Willow > Springs. I'd like to know some history on this car....but not being an F1 > buff fan.....don't even know where to look. > > Here's what I know: > > 1. It was Irvine's back up car....and Michael's test car (didn't he join > Ferrari mid-way through 96' or something). > 2. It has Michael's pour seat in it now....and the suspension is set for > Monaco....so that's probably where it was last run. > 3. It has a titanium gearbox enclosure.....not carbon fiber...so that

means > it has some 95' aspects to it.....right? > 4. Currently it has the high nose, but we have the low nose for it too. > 5. The throttle is "fly by wire"....so that is a 96' aspect of the car, > right? > > I'd appreciate any info you guys who follow F1 closely could provide onthis > car. Was it ever actually raced? That sort of stuff. > > I'm going to go slow.....I don't want to bend this piece of sweetness! > > Tom Well I live in F1 alley... I have 3 F1 maufacturers within about 5-10 miles of my home. Jaguar, Jordan and Arrows. Jaguar is the closest and I've been down there quite a few times as an old school friend is one of the managers. I've played around with several of the cars.. not got to drive one though.. I'm a big bloke, and can't fit in the fuckers. :o( My ex used to work for Jordan and she blagged us tickets for Hockenheim including travel & Accommodation all for free... That was a few years ago though when Reubens was driving for them. Sadly the cost of going to see a race is so expensive I can no longer afford it... Unless I win the lottery.. then I'm following it around the globe... with sea cruises between races. :o) Heckler

Why is this posted in this group and not rec.autos.sport.f1 - where it belongs?!?!? -- ed_ "Tom Pabst" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:ACld8.12621$2Q1.53696@rwcrnsc54... > I sat in Irvine/Schumacher's 96" F1 Ferrari today......prep for a seat pour

In article <ACld8.12621$2Q1.53696@rwcrnsc54>, [email hidden] says... > >I sat in Irvine/Schumacher's 96" F1 Ferrari today......prep for a seat pour >next week. I'm going to get to test this car maybe next month at Willow >Springs. I'd like to know some history on this car....but not being an F1 >buff fan.....don't even know where to look. Arent there chassis numbers on a little metal plate on the inside of the car... about where your wrists might be?

Tom, might I suggest that rec.autos.sport.f1.moderated could be a good forum to ask this question. There are some very knowledgable people over there. (not that there aren't any here as well ;) ) -- Ian P <email invalid due to spam> "Tom Pabst" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:ACld8.12621$2Q1.53696@rwcrnsc54... > I sat in Irvine/Schumacher's 96" F1 Ferrari today......prep for a seat pour > next week. I'm going to get to test this car maybe next month at Willow > Springs. I'd like to know some history on this car....but not being an F1 > buff fan.....don't even know where to look. > > Here's what I know: > > 1. It was Irvine's back up car....and Michael's test car (didn't he join > Ferrari mid-way through 96' or something). > 2. It has Michael's pour seat in it now....and the suspension is set for > Monaco....so that's probably where it was last run. > 3. It has a titanium gearbox enclosure.....not carbon fiber...so that means > it has some 95' aspects to it.....right? > 4. Currently it has the high nose, but we have the low nose for it too. > 5. The throttle is "fly by wire"....so that is a 96' aspect of the car, > right? > > I'd appreciate any info you guys who follow F1 closely could provide on this > car. Was it ever actually raced? That sort of stuff. > > I'm going to go slow.....I don't want to bend this piece of sweetness! > > Tom > >

> As I recall Michael crashed on the first or second lap, while leading. Just try not to repeat that. ;)

"Ed Solheim" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:Bdtd8.21$[email hidden]... > Why is this posted in this group and not rec.autos.sport.f1 - where it > belongs?!?!? > -- > ed_ Shouldn't it be under rec.autos.neener.neener?? dave henrie

"Ed Solheim" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:Bdtd8.21$[email hidden]... > Why is this posted in this group and not rec.autos.sport.f1 - where it > belongs?!?!? Because he wants to brag about it like a school kid Doug

Ed Solheim wrote: > > Why is this posted in this group and not rec.autos.sport.f1 - where it > belongs?!?!? He's showing off and name dropping now!

Because we are going to be making a simulator for this car...and its owner. Tom "Ed Solheim" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:Bdtd8.21$[email hidden]...

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> Why is this posted in this group and not rec.autos.sport.f1 - where it > belongs?!?!? > > -- > ed_ > > "Tom Pabst" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:ACld8.12621$2Q1.53696@rwcrnsc54... > > I sat in Irvine/Schumacher's 96" F1 Ferrari today......prep for a seat > pour > > >

Please ignore my drunken lame as attempt at humor. It seemed funny at the time, but in the light of day my response seems abrasive and asinine. Sorry about the chimp crack Tom, I'm just jealous. My bad. Gary Gary Stephenson wrote:

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> > Tom Pabst wrote: > > > > I sat in Irvine/Schumacher's 96" F1 Ferrari today......prep for a seat pour > > next week. I'm going to get to test this car maybe next month at Willow > > Springs. I'd like to know some history on this car....but not being an F1 > > buff fan.....don't even know where to look. > > > > Here's what I know: > > > > 1. It was Irvine's back up car....and Michael's test car (didn't he join > > Ferrari mid-way through 96' or something). > > 2. It has Michael's pour seat in it now....and the suspension is set for > > Monaco....so that's probably where it was last run. > > 3. It has a titanium gearbox enclosure.....not carbon fiber...so that means > > it has some 95' aspects to it.....right? > > 4. Currently it has the high nose, but we have the low nose for it too. > > 5. The throttle is "fly by wire"....so that is a 96' aspect of the car, > > right? > > > > I'd appreciate any info you guys who follow F1 closely could provide on this > > car. Was it ever actually raced? That sort of stuff. > > > > I'm going to go slow.....I don't want to bend this piece of sweetness! > > > > Tom > > I hate you! I hate you! I hate you! I should be the one shaking down > that ride! Never fails...the fast guys never get rides, but the chimps > with $$$ gets them ;-) It ain't fair I tell you. <Grrrrrr> > > Gary

Thank you, thank you, thank you guys......for the great information and some leads to location of more info on this car. I have been OT for a couple days....and was in a hurry when I posted this original "request".... Perhaps it should be posted in "ras-f1"....but I didn't know about that newsgroup at the time (thanks, Ed). We are going to be making a simulator of this car for the owner.....that is why we are involved with it. I should have said that, but didn't because of my haste. I will have some pics of the car posted here in a day or two. This will be a fun project....I'll do my best to keep you guys posted on its progress. As far as I know.....this type of thing has never been done at this level of a race car. Tom "Tom Pabst" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:ACld8.12621$2Q1.53696@rwcrnsc54... > I sat in Irvine/Schumacher's 96" F1 Ferrari today......prep for a seatpour

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> next week. I'm going to get to test this car maybe next month at Willow > Springs. I'd like to know some history on this car....but not being an F1 > buff fan.....don't even know where to look. > > Here's what I know: > > 1. It was Irvine's back up car....and Michael's test car (didn't he join > Ferrari mid-way through 96' or something). > 2. It has Michael's pour seat in it now....and the suspension is set for > Monaco....so that's probably where it was last run. > 3. It has a titanium gearbox enclosure.....not carbon fiber...so that

means > it has some 95' aspects to it.....right? > 4. Currently it has the high nose, but we have the low nose for it too. > 5. The throttle is "fly by wire"....so that is a 96' aspect of the car, > right? > > I'd appreciate any info you guys who follow F1 closely could provide onthis

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> car. Was it ever actually raced? That sort of stuff. > > I'm going to go slow.....I don't want to bend this piece of sweetness! > > Tom > >

This isn't aimed directly at you, but it just seems wierd how many people can post on RAS while drunk... -Stuart Becktell "Gary Stephenson" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> Please ignore my drunken lame as attempt at humor. It seemed funny at > the time, but in the light of day my response seems abrasive and > asinine. Sorry about the chimp crack Tom, I'm just jealous. My bad. > > Gary > > Gary Stephenson wrote: > > > > Tom Pabst wrote: > > > > > > I sat in Irvine/Schumacher's 96" F1 Ferrari today......prep for a seat

pour > > > next week. I'm going to get to test this car maybe next month atWillow > > > Springs. I'd like to know some history on this car....but not beingan F1 > > > buff fan.....don't even know where to look. > > > > > > Here's what I know: > > > > > > 1. It was Irvine's back up car....and Michael's test car (didn't hejoin > > > Ferrari mid-way through 96' or something). > > > 2. It has Michael's pour seat in it now....and the suspension is setfor > > > Monaco....so that's probably where it was last run. > > > 3. It has a titanium gearbox enclosure.....not carbon fiber...so thatmeans > > > it has some 95' aspects to it.....right? > > > 4. Currently it has the high nose, but we have the low nose for ittoo. > > > 5. The throttle is "fly by wire"....so that is a 96' aspect of thecar, > > > right? > > > > > > I'd appreciate any info you guys who follow F1 closely could provideon this

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> > > car. Was it ever actually raced? That sort of stuff. > > > > > > I'm going to go slow.....I don't want to bend this piece of sweetness! > > > > > > Tom > > > > I hate you! I hate you! I hate you! I should be the one shaking down > > that ride! Never fails...the fast guys never get rides, but the chimps > > with $$$ gets them ;-) It ain't fair I tell you. <Grrrrrr> > > > > Gary

No problemo, Gary. I didn't take offense to the "chimp" wisecrack at all. In fact, I tend to agree with you and have had those kinds of thoughts many times over the years. You are right.....the "fast guys" are not always the ones in the seat. Very often, its the guy with the "money" or a sponsor in his pocket......that gets the ride over a faster alternative driver. That's the "business side" of racing and you or I are not ever going to change that. So....being frustrated about it is kind of a waste of energy. At least....that's how I've managed to deal with this in my mind over the years. Also, I've been the benefactor a couple times of this.......getting a "ride" because I had a sponsor......not because I was fast. So...I guess it kind of evens out. However, your ability to recognize a potential mistake and apologize for it is quite remarkable. I respect you just for having that ability and the guts to go through with what your heart said was the right thing to do. I applaud you for doing this....and thank you (even though I didn't consider it necessary). It would be nice if others could follow your lead.....but this is real-life on r.a.s. just like everywhere else......so its not very pragmatic to think everyone has your character and guts. That was cool, man....thanks. Tom "Gary Stephenson" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> Please ignore my drunken lame as attempt at humor. It seemed funny at > the time, but in the light of day my response seems abrasive and > asinine. Sorry about the chimp crack Tom, I'm just jealous. My bad. > > Gary > > Gary Stephenson wrote: > > > > Tom Pabst wrote: > > > > > > I sat in Irvine/Schumacher's 96" F1 Ferrari today......prep for a seat

pour > > > next week. I'm going to get to test this car maybe next month atWillow > > > Springs. I'd like to know some history on this car....but not beingan F1 > > > buff fan.....don't even know where to look. > > > > > > Here's what I know: > > > > > > 1. It was Irvine's back up car....and Michael's test car (didn't hejoin > > > Ferrari mid-way through 96' or something). > > > 2. It has Michael's pour seat in it now....and the suspension is setfor > > > Monaco....so that's probably where it was last run. > > > 3. It has a titanium gearbox enclosure.....not carbon fiber...so thatmeans > > > it has some 95' aspects to it.....right? > > > 4. Currently it has the high nose, but we have the low nose for ittoo. > > > 5. The throttle is "fly by wire"....so that is a 96' aspect of thecar, > > > right? > > > > > > I'd appreciate any info you guys who follow F1 closely could provideon this

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> > > car. Was it ever actually raced? That sort of stuff. > > > > > > I'm going to go slow.....I don't want to bend this piece of sweetness! > > > > > > Tom > > > > I hate you! I hate you! I hate you! I should be the one shaking down > > that ride! Never fails...the fast guys never get rides, but the chimps > > with $$$ gets them ;-) It ain't fair I tell you. <Grrrrrr> > > > > Gary

Still - what the heck does that got to do with your initial post ????`? -- ed_ "Tom Pabst" <[email hidden]> skrev i melding news:Z1Pd8.7225$[email hidden]... > Because we are going to be making a simulator for this car...and its owner. > > Tom > > > "Ed Solheim" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:Bdtd8.21$[email hidden]... > > Why is this posted in this group and not rec.autos.sport.f1 - where it > > belongs?!?!? > > > > -- > > ed_ > > > > "Tom Pabst" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:ACld8.12621$2Q1.53696@rwcrnsc54... > > > I sat in Irvine/Schumacher's 96" F1 Ferrari today......prep for a seat > > pour > > > > > > > >

"Tom Pabst" <[email hidden]> skrev i melding news:f8Pd8.123266$Pz4.543239@rwcrnsc53... > > We are going to be making a simulator of this car for the owner.....thatis > why we are involved with it. I should have said that, but didn't becauseof > my haste. I will have some pics of the car posted here in a day or two. > This will be a fun project....I'll do my best to keep you guys posted onits > progress. As far as I know.....this type of thing has never been done at > this level of a race car. Once again Tom..... WTF does this have to do with r.a.s ??? You dont see other posting pictures of every car there ever was in a sim here, do you??? Post about physics and graphics I woulnd'nt mind - but these offtopic post is just a waste of time. Please take this to r.a.s.f1 - ***where it belongs*** (and come back here when you want to tallk about physics etc. I thought you knew this after all these years ??!!?? -- ed_

"Tom Pabst" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:Z1Pd8.7225$[email hidden]... > Because we are going to be making a simulator for this car...and itsowner. > > Tom SO? You wanna know about an F1 car. a) Use google. b) Use an appropriate forum Doug

"Ed Solheim" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:zIQd8.8604$%[email hidden]... > I thought you knew this after all these years ??!!?? Doesnt stop him wanting to brag about it Like the kid in the playground with the new toy Tragic Doug

Tom, I, for one, enjoyed your post and the follow-up, even if it may be OT. I'm looking forward to any future posts you have on this topic. Looks like a fascinating project. If you take the thread elsewhere, let us know. (Kudos to Gary as well!) We're all jealous as hell and wish we could at least be there to watch. There'll probably be an embarrassing moment or two we would enjoy. ;-) Jim Tom Pabst wrote:

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> No problemo, Gary. I didn't take offense to the "chimp" wisecrack at all. > In fact, I tend to agree with you and have had those kinds of thoughts many > times over the years. You are right.....the "fast guys" are not always the > ones in the seat. Very often, its the guy with the "money" or a sponsor in > his pocket......that gets the ride over a faster alternative driver. That's > the "business side" of racing and you or I are not ever going to change > that. So....being frustrated about it is kind of a waste of energy. At > least....that's how I've managed to deal with this in my mind over the > years. Also, I've been the benefactor a couple times of this.......getting > a "ride" because I had a sponsor......not because I was fast. So...I guess > it kind of evens out. > > However, your ability to recognize a potential mistake and apologize for it > is quite remarkable. I respect you just for having that ability and the > guts to go through with what your heart said was the right thing to do. I > applaud you for doing this....and thank you (even though I didn't consider > it necessary). It would be nice if others could follow your lead.....but > this is real-life on r.a.s. just like everywhere else......so its not very > pragmatic to think everyone has your character and guts. That was cool, > man....thanks. > > Tom > > "Gary Stephenson" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > Please ignore my drunken lame as attempt at humor. It seemed funny at > > the time, but in the light of day my response seems abrasive and > > asinine. Sorry about the chimp crack Tom, I'm just jealous. My bad. > > > > Gary > > > > Gary Stephenson wrote: > > > > > > Tom Pabst wrote: > > > > > > > > I sat in Irvine/Schumacher's 96" F1 Ferrari today......prep for a seat > pour > > > > next week. I'm going to get to test this car maybe next month at > Willow > > > > Springs. I'd like to know some history on this car....but not being > an F1 > > > > buff fan.....don't even know where to look. > > > > > > > > Here's what I know: > > > > > > > > 1. It was Irvine's back up car....and Michael's test car (didn't he > join > > > > Ferrari mid-way through 96' or something). > > > > 2. It has Michael's pour seat in it now....and the suspension is set > for > > > > Monaco....so that's probably where it was last run. > > > > 3. It has a titanium gearbox enclosure.....not carbon fiber...so that > means > > > > it has some 95' aspects to it.....right? > > > > 4. Currently it has the high nose, but we have the low nose for it > too. > > > > 5. The throttle is "fly by wire"....so that is a 96' aspect of the > car, > > > > right? > > > > > > > > I'd appreciate any info you guys who follow F1 closely could provide > on this > > > > car. Was it ever actually raced? That sort of stuff. > > > > > > > > I'm going to go slow.....I don't want to bend this piece of sweetness! > > > > > > > > Tom > > > > > > I hate you! I hate you! I hate you! I should be the one shaking down > > > that ride! Never fails...the fast guys never get rides, but the chimps > > > with $$$ gets them ;-) It ain't fair I tell you. <Grrrrrr> > > > > > > Gary

Well, I'm pretty sure that if I (maybe even you) had the chance to drive a REAL F1 car, I (maybe even you) would be bragging my arse (our arses) off over here. I DEFINITELY would :) It seems that since Tom started that famous thread, he has been totally unforgiven by many people here. I think that is tragic, even though I still disagree with his opinion. -- Ian P <email invalid due to spam> "Douglas Ellison" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:a58q6k$5id5n$[email hidden]... > > "Ed Solheim" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:zIQd8.8604$%[email hidden]... > > > I thought you knew this after all these years ??!!?? > > Doesnt stop him wanting to brag about it > > Like the kid in the playground with the new toy > > Tragic > > Doug

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> Well, I'm pretty sure that if I (maybe even you) had the chance to drive a > REAL F1 car, I (maybe even you) would be bragging my arse (our arses) off > over here. > I DEFINITELY would :) > > It seems that since Tom started that famous thread, he has been totally > unforgiven by many people here. I think that is tragic, even though I

still > disagree with his opinion. An apology on his behalf would go a long way to helping - but the thread finished with him maintaining a generally offensive, incorrect and arrogant stance I mean - hell, I'm jealous as hell - but notice he did not brag about the opportunity to drive - just mentioned it 'in passing' Doug

Douglas Ellison wrote: > > An apology on his behalf would go a long way to helping - but the thread > finished with him maintaining a generally offensive, incorrect and arrogant > stance Basically being himself in other words :-), but what makes you any better than him ? Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy http://www.theuspits.com http://www.teammirage.com "Animation isn't the illusion of life; it is life" --Chuck Jones (1912-2002)--

Stuart Becktell wrote: > > This isn't aimed directly at you, but it just seems wierd how many people > can post on RAS while drunk... > -Stuart Becktell I suppose I should look into getting a breathylizer(sp) interlock on my computer, as this isn't the first time I've done this. Fortunately, it only happens every other month or so. Gary

Whew <wiping sweat from brow>, sure glad I didn't piss you off! (As a rule, I don't flame people.) It's always interesting to see what kind of thoughts I post when I get like that. I think what set me off is what happened to Greg Ray this week, so that's where I was coming from. (Al Jr. is a little faster than the average chimp though, so in that respect I was wrong.) Thanks for understanding. Gary Tom Pabst wrote:

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> > No problemo, Gary. I didn't take offense to the "chimp" wisecrack at all. > In fact, I tend to agree with you and have had those kinds of thoughts many > times over the years. You are right.....the "fast guys" are not always the > ones in the seat. Very often, its the guy with the "money" or a sponsor in > his pocket......that gets the ride over a faster alternative driver. That's > the "business side" of racing and you or I are not ever going to change > that. So....being frustrated about it is kind of a waste of energy. At > least....that's how I've managed to deal with this in my mind over the > years. Also, I've been the benefactor a couple times of this.......getting > a "ride" because I had a sponsor......not because I was fast. So...I guess > it kind of evens out. > > However, your ability to recognize a potential mistake and apologize for it > is quite remarkable. I respect you just for having that ability and the > guts to go through with what your heart said was the right thing to do. I > applaud you for doing this....and thank you (even though I didn't consider > it necessary). It would be nice if others could follow your lead.....but > this is real-life on r.a.s. just like everywhere else......so its not very > pragmatic to think everyone has your character and guts. That was cool, > man....thanks. > > Tom > > "Gary Stephenson" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > Please ignore my drunken lame as attempt at humor. It seemed funny at > > the time, but in the light of day my response seems abrasive and > > asinine. Sorry about the chimp crack Tom, I'm just jealous. My bad. > > > > Gary > > > > Gary Stephenson wrote: > > > > > > Tom Pabst wrote: > > > > > > > > I sat in Irvine/Schumacher's 96" F1 Ferrari today......prep for a seat > pour > > > > next week. I'm going to get to test this car maybe next month at > Willow > > > > Springs. I'd like to know some history on this car....but not being > an F1 > > > > buff fan.....don't even know where to look. > > > > > > > > Here's what I know: > > > > > > > > 1. It was Irvine's back up car....and Michael's test car (didn't he > join > > > > Ferrari mid-way through 96' or something). > > > > 2. It has Michael's pour seat in it now....and the suspension is set > for > > > > Monaco....so that's probably where it was last run. > > > > 3. It has a titanium gearbox enclosure.....not carbon fiber...so that > means > > > > it has some 95' aspects to it.....right? > > > > 4. Currently it has the high nose, but we have the low nose for it > too. > > > > 5. The throttle is "fly by wire"....so that is a 96' aspect of the > car, > > > > right? > > > > > > > > I'd appreciate any info you guys who follow F1 closely could provide > on this > > > > car. Was it ever actually raced? That sort of stuff. > > > > > > > > I'm going to go slow.....I don't want to bend this piece of sweetness! > > > > > > > > Tom > > > > > > I hate you! I hate you! I hate you! I should be the one shaking down > > > that ride! Never fails...the fast guys never get rides, but the chimps > > > with $$$ gets them ;-) It ain't fair I tell you. <Grrrrrr> > > > > > > Gary

Yeah....like me peeing in my pants just climbing into this F1 Ferrari....lol.... Holy moly.....Michael Schumacher drove this car! I'll be pumped.....for sure. Tom "The Carvalho Family" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Tom, > > I, for one, enjoyed your post and the follow-up, even if it may be OT. I'm > looking forward to any future posts you have on this topic. Looks like a > fascinating project. If you take the thread elsewhere, let us know. (Kudosto > Gary as well!) We're all jealous as hell and wish we could at least bethere to > watch. There'll probably be an embarrassing moment or two we would enjoy.;-)

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> > Jim > > > > Tom Pabst wrote: > > > No problemo, Gary. I didn't take offense to the "chimp" wisecrack at

all. > > In fact, I tend to agree with you and have had those kinds of thoughtsmany > > times over the years. You are right.....the "fast guys" are not alwaysthe > > ones in the seat. Very often, its the guy with the "money" or a sponsorin > > his pocket......that gets the ride over a faster alternative driver.That's > > the "business side" of racing and you or I are not ever going to change > > that. So....being frustrated about it is kind of a waste of energy. At > > least....that's how I've managed to deal with this in my mind over the > > years. Also, I've been the benefactor a couple times ofthis.......getting > > a "ride" because I had a sponsor......not because I was fast. So...Iguess > > it kind of evens out. > > > > However, your ability to recognize a potential mistake and apologize forit > > is quite remarkable. I respect you just for having that ability and the > > guts to go through with what your heart said was the right thing to do.I > > applaud you for doing this....and thank you (even though I didn'tconsider > > it necessary). It would be nice if others could follow yourlead.....but > > this is real-life on r.a.s. just like everywhere else......so its notvery

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> > pragmatic to think everyone has your character and guts. That was cool, > > man....thanks. > > > > Tom > > > > "Gary Stephenson" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:[email hidden]... > > > Please ignore my drunken lame as attempt at humor. It seemed funny at > > > the time, but in the light of day my response seems abrasive and > > > asinine. Sorry about the chimp crack Tom, I'm just jealous. My bad. > > > > > > Gary > > > > > > Gary Stephenson wrote: > > > > > > > > Tom Pabst wrote: > > > > > > > > > > I sat in Irvine/Schumacher's 96" F1 Ferrari today......prep for a

seat > > pour > > > > > next week. I'm going to get to test this car maybe next month at > > Willow > > > > > Springs. I'd like to know some history on this car....but notbeing > > an F1 > > > > > buff fan.....don't even know where to look. > > > > > > > > > > Here's what I know: > > > > > > > > > > 1. It was Irvine's back up car....and Michael's test car (didn'the > > join > > > > > Ferrari mid-way through 96' or something). > > > > > 2. It has Michael's pour seat in it now....and the suspension isset > > for > > > > > Monaco....so that's probably where it was last run. > > > > > 3. It has a titanium gearbox enclosure.....not carbon fiber...sothat > > means > > > > > it has some 95' aspects to it.....right? > > > > > 4. Currently it has the high nose, but we have the low nose forit > > too. > > > > > 5. The throttle is "fly by wire"....so that is a 96' aspect ofthe > > car, > > > > > right? > > > > > > > > > > I'd appreciate any info you guys who follow F1 closely couldprovide > > on this > > > > > car. Was it ever actually raced? That sort of stuff. > > > > > > > > > > I'm going to go slow.....I don't want to bend this piece ofsweetness! > > > > > > > > > > Tom > > > > > > > > I hate you! I hate you! I hate you! I should be the one shaking down > > > > that ride! Never fails...the fast guys never get rides, but thechimps > > > > with $$$ gets them ;-) It ain't fair I tell you. <Grrrrrr> > > > > > > > > Gary >

Looks like there are alot of 'kids' on this playground. This 60 year old kid would love to have such a simulator! arcman Douglas Ellison wrote:

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> > "Ed Solheim" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:zIQd8.8604$%[email hidden]... > > > I thought you knew this after all these years ??!!?? > > Doesnt stop him wanting to brag about it > > Like the kid in the playground with the new toy > > Tragic > > Doug

Ed... "Rec.Autos.Simulators"....I'm (we...several people at PR will be hands-on for this project) building a simulator of a somewhat famous car....driven by a very famous "current" F1 driver....and depicted in several sims we all race and discuss here. I just don't see how this is off-topic....any more than how discussing "car physics" is necessarily "on-topic." Since I don't follow F1 closely.....and I know many do on this newsgroup....I thought asking about it here was reasonable. I was hoping to get a head-start on finding information about this car...from links or "direction" given by those who do follow F1 closely and might know more about "searching" on this topic than I do. I'm not sure why this has seemed to muster your wrath.....you are pretty much a mellow guy most of the time. It seems like you are a bit overboard on this criticism of my post. I can read down just a few days of posts on r.a.s. and find a substantial number of posts that are more "off-topic" than mine....and I don't see you jumping down those author's throats about them. Are you singling me out for some reason? It appears to me that you are. So, I have to ask myself, "why?" Tom "Ed Solheim" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:zIQd8.8604$%[email hidden]...

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because > of > > my haste. I will have some pics of the car posted here in a day or two. > > This will be a fun project....I'll do my best to keep you guys posted on > its > > progress. As far as I know.....this type of thing has never been doneat

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> > this level of a race car. > > Once again Tom..... WTF does this have to do with r.a.s ??? > You dont see other posting pictures of every car there ever was in a sim > here, do you??? > > Post about physics and graphics I woulnd'nt mind - but these offtopic

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> when you want to tallk about physics etc. > > I thought you knew this after all these years ??!!?? > > -- > ed_ > > >

Tom, As you may remember this is not the first time I've asked you to take these off-topic posts where they belong... infact I think this is the 5th or 6th time I've asked you to do so. And even though "you" might be building a simulator of this car (whilch I reckon will be exclusive to the owner anyway) - I still fail to see what you inital post had to do with this news group.. I will also be so bold and say that until "you" got something relevant to simulators - that is when actually got a simulator of the car/experience or are in the process of actually coding/planning the sim, then this whole topic is... well - off topic. -- ed_ "Tom Pabst" <[email hidden]> skrev i melding news:Eq_d8.20697$%[email hidden]... > Ed... > > "Rec.Autos.Simulators"....I'm (we...several people at PR will be hands-on...... Snipped!

Well, I have to say, "thank you" to you, Ian. I'm not sure why being excited about getting to do this project....and share it with you guys is interpreted by a few people as "bragging." Heck, I had nothing to do with getting this job. The owner just called me one day a couple weeks back and said, "I own Michael Schumacher's 96' F1 Ferrari test car....and I want you to build me a simulator of it." It was a completely handed to me "no brainer." I get to drive the car...because I will be doing the engine sounds for it....and I need to know what the heck the thing sounds like at speed....from the cockpit. If there was a way I could have all of you guys drive it too.....I'd do it. Its totally a fun thing.....and I'm not "racing it"....I'm just driving the darn thing! I just don't see how that's "bragging" about this. If one of you guys get to drive a real-world race car.....I want you to post on r.a.s. and tell us about it. I want to read how it really felt...and how you felt....all the details please. I'm certainly not going to then accuse you of bragging....geeeesh! As far as that "famous thread" goes.....I regret having written that post, I promise you. I apologized for the stupid joke about the cheating......but it was just not accepted by a few people no matter what I said. As far as my "opinion"....I assume you mean, my opinion that hotlapping isn't necessarily good for sim racing.....having credibility in the real racing world. Heck, I'm not the first person to say that.....I'm probably not even on the first 100 list of people who've had the same opinion (or something similar). I don't even think its worthy of "hot topic" status....let alone the hullabaloo it created. But....what the f? Life goes on. Thanks again, Ian. Tom "Ian P" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:a58sao$utm$[email hidden]...

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> Well, I'm pretty sure that if I (maybe even you) had the chance to drive a > REAL F1 car, I (maybe even you) would be bragging my arse (our arses) off > over here. > I DEFINITELY would :) > > It seems that since Tom started that famous thread, he has been totally > unforgiven by many people here. I think that is tragic, even though I

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> disagree with his opinion. > > -- > > Ian P > <email invalid due to spam> > > > "Douglas Ellison" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:a58q6k$5id5n$[email hidden]... > > > > "Ed Solheim" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:zIQd8.8604$%[email hidden]... > > > > > I thought you knew this after all these years ??!!?? > > > > Doesnt stop him wanting to brag about it > > > > Like the kid in the playground with the new toy > > > > Tragic > > > > Doug > > >

Oh maaaan, uncle G.....don't be standing up for me in an open forum. You'll get castrated by the anti-Pabst vigilante's like poor old MAC. ......lol...... - TP "Goy Larsen" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Douglas Ellison wrote: > > > > An apology on his behalf would go a long way to helping - but the thread > > finished with him maintaining a generally offensive, incorrect andarrogant

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> > stance > > Basically being himself in other words :-), but what makes you any > better than him ? > > > Beers and cheers > (uncle) Goy > > http://www.theuspits.com > http://www.teammirage.com > > "Animation isn't the illusion of life; it is life" > --Chuck Jones (1912-2002)--

Wow....Ed....you are losing it. - tp "Ed Solheim" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:4J_d8.8845$%[email hidden]... > Tom, > > As you may remember this is not the first time I've asked you to takethese > off-topic posts where they belong... infact I think this is the 5th or6th > time I've asked you to do so. > > And even though "you" might be building a simulator of this car (whilch I > reckon will be exclusive to the owner anyway) - I still fail to see whatyou > inital post had to do with this news group.. I will also be so bold andsay

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> that until "you" got something relevant to simulators - that is when > actually got a simulator of the car/experience or are in the process of > actually coding/planning the sim, then this whole topic is... well - off > topic. > > -- > ed_ > > > "Tom Pabst" <[email hidden]> skrev i melding > news:Eq_d8.20697$%[email hidden]... > > Ed... > > > > "Rec.Autos.Simulators"....I'm (we...several people at PR will be > hands-on...... Snipped! > >

Tom Pabst wrote: > > Oh maaaan, uncle G.....don't be standing up for me in an open forum. You'll > get castrated by the anti-Pabst vigilante's like poor old MAC. > ......lol...... - TP ROFL, well, I've agreed with DGF on several occasions lately too, this is turning into a strange year..... Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy http://www.theuspits.com http://www.teammirage.com "Animation isn't the illusion of life; it is life" --Chuck Jones (1912-2002)--

> > Oh maaaan, uncle G.....don't be standing up for me in an openforum. You'll > > get castrated by the anti-Pabst vigilante's like poor old MAC. > > ......lol...... - TP > > ROFL, well, I've agreed with DGF on several occasions lately too,this > is turning into a strange year..... Yeh, I think we should all start picking on Eldred - cos _everybody_ likes him :-) Tony

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> > Ed... > > "Rec.Autos.Simulators"....I'm (we...several people at PR will be hands-on > for this project) building a simulator of a somewhat famous car....driven by > a very famous "current" F1 driver....and depicted in several sims we all > race and discuss here.

What does 'building a simulator' mean in this context? Are you just going to plonk a red hyper in front of a projector screen and redo the sounds for F1CR, or does it go deeper that that? Just helping you to get on topic ;) Gerry

"Tom Pabst" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:J1%d8.129687$Pz4.564555@rwcrnsc53... > Wow....Ed....you are losing it. - tp He's got a point. Your question was ( paraphrased) "I wanna know about this F1 car" - THAT belongs in r.a.s.f1 Doug

and continuing on the no body gives a shit list, we have Doug... "Douglas Ellison" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:a58q4o$5e4na$[email hidden]...

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> > "Tom Pabst" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:Z1Pd8.7225$[email hidden]... > > Because we are going to be making a simulator for this car...and its > owner. > > > > Tom > > SO? > > You wanna know about an F1 car. a) Use google. b) Use an appropriate

forum > > Doug > > >

Are you the dictator of RAS? If more people were against it, I would say you have a point, but so far only you and Ellison have been vocal about taking this off the list. -Stuart Becktell "Ed Solheim" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:4J_d8.8845$%[email hidden]... > Tom, > > As you may remember this is not the first time I've asked you to takethese > off-topic posts where they belong... infact I think this is the 5th or6th > time I've asked you to do so. > > And even though "you" might be building a simulator of this car (whilch I > reckon will be exclusive to the owner anyway) - I still fail to see whatyou > inital post had to do with this news group.. I will also be so bold andsay

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> that until "you" got something relevant to simulators - that is when > actually got a simulator of the car/experience or are in the process of > actually coding/planning the sim, then this whole topic is... well - off > topic. > > -- > ed_ > > > "Tom Pabst" <[email hidden]> skrev i melding > news:Eq_d8.20697$%[email hidden]... > > Ed... > > > > "Rec.Autos.Simulators"....I'm (we...several people at PR will be > hands-on...... Snipped! > >

Must be hell to be old and senile <VBG> Scott PA-Scott "Goy Larsen" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Tom Pabst wrote: > > > > Oh maaaan, uncle G.....don't be standing up for me in an open forum.You'll

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> > get castrated by the anti-Pabst vigilante's like poor old MAC. > > ......lol...... - TP > > ROFL, well, I've agreed with DGF on several occasions lately too, this > is turning into a strange year..... > > > Beers and cheers > (uncle) Goy > > http://www.theuspits.com > http://www.teammirage.com > > "Animation isn't the illusion of life; it is life" > --Chuck Jones (1912-2002)--

"Scott B. Husted" wrote: > > Must be hell to be old and senile <VBG> Shut up Scott !! Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy "The Pits" http://www.theuspits.com/ "Animation isn't the illusion of life; it is life" --Chuck Jones (1912-2002)--

Hey! I just read in the newspaper that Schumacher's Ferrari from the 2000 season is touring the city, being exhibited in various Shell service stations across the city until the end of April... I'll go look at it tomorrow, since it'll be in one close to my home. Time to get a new film roll for the camera... On Fri, 22 Feb 2002 06:33:04 GMT, "Tom Pabst" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>I sat in Irvine/Schumacher's 96" F1 Ferrari today......prep for a seat pour >next week. I'm going to get to test this car maybe next month at Willow >Springs. I'd like to know some history on this car....but not being an F1 >buff fan.....don't even know where to look. > >Here's what I know: > >1. It was Irvine's back up car....and Michael's test car (didn't he join >Ferrari mid-way through 96' or something). >2. It has Michael's pour seat in it now....and the suspension is set for >Monaco....so that's probably where it was last run. >3. It has a titanium gearbox enclosure.....not carbon fiber...so that means >it has some 95' aspects to it.....right? >4. Currently it has the high nose, but we have the low nose for it too. >5. The throttle is "fly by wire"....so that is a 96' aspect of the car, >right? > >I'd appreciate any info you guys who follow F1 closely could provide on this >car. Was it ever actually raced? That sort of stuff. > >I'm going to go slow.....I don't want to bend this piece of sweetness! > >Tom >

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"Stuart Becktell" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:c68e8.125279$[email hidden]... > Are you the dictator of RAS? If more people were against it, I would sayyou > have a point, but so far only you and Ellison have been vocal about taking > this off the list. > -Stuart Becktell Fact. The question "Tell me about the 1996 Ferrari F1 car" is off topic from r.a.s So BECKTELL - get your facts right DOug

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> > "Stuart Becktell" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:c68e8.125279$[email hidden]... > > Are you the dictator of RAS? If more people were against it, I would say > you > > have a point, but so far only you and Ellison have been vocal about taking > > this off the list. > > -Stuart Becktell > > Fact. The question "Tell me about the 1996 Ferrari F1 car" is off topic > from r.a.s > > So BECKTELL - get your facts right

OH NOOOOOO, an OT post in r.a.s., where's the internet Police when you need them, notify his ISP, do *something* !!! Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy "Animation isn't the illusion of life; it is life" --Chuck Jones (1912-2002)--

Pardon me Tom... but what exactly am I loosing?? "Tom Pabst" mutted:

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> Wow....Ed....you are losing it. - tp > > > "Ed Solheim" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:4J_d8.8845$%[email hidden]... > > Tom, > > > > As you may remember this is not the first time I've asked you to take > these > > off-topic posts where they belong... infact I think this is the 5th or > 6th > > time I've asked you to do so.

"Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:hwsd8.11038$S01.549243@sccrnsc02...

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> > "Tom Pabst" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:6smd8.5363$[email hidden]... > > Red.....still have Irvine's name on it....but Michael's pour seat. > > > > TP > I couldn't believe how far back I had to go through the Forix galleries > to find a real Ferrari. :) Here is a shot which shows a Ferrari tucked

in > behind a Mclaren. Todays's Ferrari paint is much closer to the Mac color > than the deeper, richer Red used by Ferrari in the'good ol days.' > dave henrie > http://www.forix.com/asp/photos.asp?z=0&k=0&l=0&x=101&f=1990/11_IN_RN.JPG. > > And as usual Mansell is taking an unconventional line into LaSource, and Piquet's head seems to be falling off, no doubt due to its weight.... man, I miss the good ol' days. Stephen

Eeeek...you are getting "weak" in your old age....lol... TP "Goy Larsen" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Tom Pabst wrote: > > > > Oh maaaan, uncle G.....don't be standing up for me in an open forum.You'll

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> > get castrated by the anti-Pabst vigilante's like poor old MAC. > > ......lol...... - TP > > ROFL, well, I've agreed with DGF on several occasions lately too, this > is turning into a strange year..... > > > Beers and cheers > (uncle) Goy > > http://www.theuspits.com > http://www.teammirage.com > > "Animation isn't the illusion of life; it is life" > --Chuck Jones (1912-2002)--

And I already said.....earlier.....I didn't know about "r.a.s.f1".....and have sense taken that issue of info on the car elsewhere.....and apologized for the apparent transgression. Now, Ed seems to be saying that the topic of building a simulator of a real life car we all know and appreciate.....is "off-topic." I just don't agree with that.......but don't really give a shit what Ed thinks about this anyway. I have 50 people telling me to ignore him....so I'm apparently not alone. TP "Douglas Ellison" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:a5ahs0$5nas3$[email hidden]... > > "Tom Pabst" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:J1%d8.129687$Pz4.564555@rwcrnsc53... > > Wow....Ed....you are losing it. - tp > > He's got a point. Your question was ( paraphrased) "I wanna know aboutthis > F1 car" - THAT belongs in r.a.s.f1 > > Doug > > >

Your sense of "reason" and "reasonableness"......it seems to me. TP "Ed Solheim" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:cChe8.9241$%[email hidden]...

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> Pardon me Tom... but what exactly am I loosing?? > > "Tom Pabst" mutted: > > > Wow....Ed....you are losing it. - tp > > > > > > "Ed Solheim" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:4J_d8.8845$%[email hidden]... > > > Tom, > > > > > > As you may remember this is not the first time I've asked you to take > > these > > > off-topic posts where they belong... infact I think this is the 5th

or > > 6th > > > time I've asked you to do so. > > >

Yeah.....let's pick on Eldred for the next five years! I never did like him anyway....he's always name dropping and bragging about how good he is....and he's always "right"....never helps anyone out with racing lines or talks to the newbies and stuff in the race chat rooms [....-:).....] Hey, maybe we could get "Gavel" to adopt Eldred as his target of lying, cheating and slandering posts for a while....how about it Gavel? ....lol..... TP "Tony Rickard" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:4k3e8.22225$[email hidden]...

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> > > Oh maaaan, uncle G.....don't be standing up for me in an open > forum. You'll > > > get castrated by the anti-Pabst vigilante's like poor old MAC. > > > ......lol...... - TP > > > > ROFL, well, I've agreed with DGF on several occasions lately too, > this > > is turning into a strange year..... > > Yeh, I think we should all start picking on Eldred - cos _everybody_ > likes him :-) > > Tony > >

Gerry.. I mentioned I'd keep you guys posted on the progress of the project when it develops. That I will do.....and until I have had a chance to get a full briefing on the "budget" this client wants to keep within.....I won't know the full scope of "building a simulator" of his F1 car. When I do....I'll tell you guys. Until then, I'd just be speculating.....something you seem to not care for me to do....if my memory serves me? TP "Gerry Aitken" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> > > Tom Pabst wrote: > > > > Ed... > > > > "Rec.Autos.Simulators"....I'm (we...several people at PR will be

hands-on > > for this project) building a simulator of a somewhat famouscar....driven by

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> > a very famous "current" F1 driver....and depicted in several sims we all > > race and discuss here. > > What does 'building a simulator' mean in this context? Are you just > going to plonk a red hyper in front of a projector screen and redo the > sounds for F1CR, or does it go deeper that that? > > Just helping you to get on topic ;) > > Gerry

Hey machf........send me some pics if you get a chance....that would be great [email hidden] That would be great.... Thanks, Tom "machf" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Hey! I just read in the newspaper that Schumacher's Ferrari from the 2000 > season is touring the city, being exhibited in various Shell servicestations > across the city until the end of April... I'll go look at it tomorrow,since > it'll be in one close to my home. Time to get a new film roll for thecamera... > > On Fri, 22 Feb 2002 06:33:04 GMT, "Tom Pabst" <[email hidden]> wrote: > > >I sat in Irvine/Schumacher's 96" F1 Ferrari today......prep for a seatpour > >next week. I'm going to get to test this car maybe next month at Willow > >Springs. I'd like to know some history on this car....but not being anF1

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> >buff fan.....don't even know where to look. > > > >Here's what I know: > > > >1. It was Irvine's back up car....and Michael's test car (didn't he join > >Ferrari mid-way through 96' or something). > >2. It has Michael's pour seat in it now....and the suspension is set for > >Monaco....so that's probably where it was last run. > >3. It has a titanium gearbox enclosure.....not carbon fiber...so that

means > >it has some 95' aspects to it.....right? > >4. Currently it has the high nose, but we have the low nose for it too. > >5. The throttle is "fly by wire"....so that is a 96' aspect of the car, > >right? > > > >I'd appreciate any info you guys who follow F1 closely could provide onthis

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> >car. Was it ever actually raced? That sort of stuff. > > > >I'm going to go slow.....I don't want to bend this piece of sweetness! > > > >Tom > > > > -- > __________ ____---____ Marco Antonio Checa Funcke > \_________D /-/---_----' Santiago de Surco, Lima, Peru > _H__/_/ http://machf.tripod.com > '-_____|( http://www.GeoCities.com/Hollywood/2645 > > remove the "no_me_j." and "sons.of." parts before replying

Oh, so you really dont see my point then Tom? Perhaps you should read my post again (please forgive any typos of mis-put words - english is not my native language.) and then perhaps you'll understand too.... ?? -- ed_ "Tom Pabst" <[email hidden]> skrev i melding news:D2ve8.218$Dv1.2308@rwcrnsc53... > Your sense of "reason" and "reasonableness"......it seems to me. > > TP > > > "Ed Solheim" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:cChe8.9241$%[email hidden]... > > Pardon me Tom... but what exactly am I loosing?? > > > > "Tom Pabst" mutted: > > > > > Wow....Ed....you are losing it. - tp > > > > > > > > > "Ed Solheim" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > news:4J_d8.8845$%[email hidden]... > > > > Tom, > > > > > > > > As you may remember this is not the first time I've asked you to take > > > these > > > > off-topic posts where they belong... infact I think this is the 5th > or > > > 6th > > > > time I've asked you to do so. > > > > > > > >

I cannot belive this!! You still dont get it do you Tom?? You really really really dont get the point! *wow!* -- ed_ "Tom Pabst" <[email hidden]> skrev i melding news:D2ve8.217$Dv1.2040@rwcrnsc53... > And I already said.....earlier.....I didn't know about "r.a.s.f1".....and > have sense taken that issue of info on the car elsewhere.....and apologized > for the apparent transgression. Now, Ed seems to be saying that the topic > of building a simulator of a real life car we all know and appreciate.....is > "off-topic." I just don't agree with that.......but don't really give a > shit what Ed thinks about this anyway. I have 50 people telling me to > ignore him....so I'm apparently not alone. > > TP > > > "Douglas Ellison" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:a5ahs0$5nas3$[email hidden]... > > > > "Tom Pabst" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:J1%d8.129687$Pz4.564555@rwcrnsc53... > > > Wow....Ed....you are losing it. - tp > > > > He's got a point. Your question was ( paraphrased) "I wanna know about > this > > F1 car" - THAT belongs in r.a.s.f1 > > > > Doug > > > > > > > >

Tom Pabst wrote:

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> > Gerry.. > > I mentioned I'd keep you guys posted on the progress of the project when it > develops. That I will do.....and until I have had a chance to get a full > briefing on the "budget" this client wants to keep within.....I won't know > the full scope of "building a simulator" of his F1 car. When I do....I'll > tell you guys. Until then, I'd just be speculating.....something you seem > to not care for me to do....if my memory serves me?

Your memory probably does serve, but I've long forgotten about whatever it was. Water under the bridge, WUTB. I look forward to hearing more about this project, so please do keep us informed! Gerry

On Mon, 25 Feb 2002 18:06:48 GMT, "Tom Pabst" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>Hey machf........send me some pics if you get a chance....that would be >great [email hidden] > >That would be great.... > >Thanks, >Tom >

I'll go out in a few minutes... Let's see what pictures I can take. in the newspaper article that the engine is missing, so there's something I won't be able to take pictures of... Best regards, -- __________ ____---____ Marco Antonio Checa Funcke \_________D /-/---_----' Santiago de Surco, Lima, Peru _H__/_/ http://machf.tripod.com '-_____|( http://www.GeoCities.com/Hollywood/2645 remove the "no_me_j." and "sons.of." parts before replying

"Goy Larsen" <[email hidden]> skrev i en meddelelse news:[email hidden]... > > OH NOOOOOO, an OT post in r.a.s., where's the internet Police when you > need them, notify his ISP, do *something* !!! > I am sure that Goy would agree with me, that OT posts should never appear on r.a.s. He and I would never, ever stoop so low as to discuss Danish or Norwegian beer, nor the merits of a certain national ice hockey team. ;-) Personally, I don't find Tom's post too OT, but he is still a stupid jerk, which is quite obvious from his follow-ups. He never seems to get "it" nor humor. We all have hits and misses in that regard, but Tom's lame attempts are usually as stirring as something generated by a computer with a neural network, which has been forcefed "101 bad jokes" and "102 even inferior jokes". /Jens

"Tom Pabst" wrote... > Well, I have to say, "thank you" to you, Ian. > <snip> Ok Tom... once more from the top. It's not what you said about hotlapping, it's how it came out. I don't know how others interpreted it, but to me it sounded like "you guys have to stop comparing laptimes and hotlapping because it's scaring my customers away". Now if there's any strong overal sentiment on RAS I think it's a profound dislike of corporate attitude, so you, perhaps unwittingly, skewed your argument before you even got started. Recognition does not nescessarily include commercially viable on this forum. I refer you to my reply in your "This isn't going to be popular"-thread for my take on this situation. Your second foray was even more ill fated and the less said the better perhaps, but IMO, certainly at the time, yourself and your take on simracing were not well known enough on RAS to assume it would be taken in the right way. You basically reaped what you had sown there. I might have missed it (I tend to zone out once the tit for tat between you and your former NROS buddies starts), but as far as I've read this latest message is the closest you've ever come to apologising for that whole mess. I'll skip the latest installment of the Sears Point saga as I did the posts on the ng and get to the "latent hostility". In my language there's a saying which goes: "He who wants to beat a dog is sure to find a stick". Meaning any excuse is good enough when you carry a grudge. I'm guilty too, I couldn't help it. Being casually branded as a disgrace to the sport really hurt, badly. I may be a "hobby simracer", but I take it pretty damn seriously and I still don't think I deserved that. Nevertheless my tone in my reply to Mac was unwarranted and I apologise. Anyhow, good luck driving the ex-Schumacher Ferrari and let us know how it went (on topic posts are too boring <G>). BTW, why would the fact Schumacher drove it impart an extra sense of awe? -Surely he considers the car junk by now as it's no longer competitive? -Just curious. Jan. =--- "Pay attention when I'm talking to you boy!" -Foghorn Leghorn.

Well, unfortunately, as it turned out, you had to pay $2.50 to get an instant photo taken and after that you could take yur own pictures... and at the time I had less than $2 in my pocket, so I'll have to return another day... -- __________ ____---____ Marco Antonio Checa Funcke \_________D /-/---_----' Santiago de Surco, Lima, Peru _H__/_/ http://machf.tripod.com '-_____|( http://www.GeoCities.com/Hollywood/2645 remove the "no_me_j." and "sons.of." parts before replying

"Jan Verschueren" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... >BTW, why would the fact Schumacher > drove it impart an extra sense of awe? -Surely he considers the car junkby > now as it's no longer competitive? -Just curious. It's always a big point for the people selling and buying old F1s. Don't ask me why either, but it has a certain "trainspotting" appeal to it (knowing all the details). Every ad in "Classic & Sportscars" for old F1 racers usually lists who drove it and when. Even if it was the T-car for the whole season, if Mansell or Senna once put their bottom in it, then it's gold... Stephen

On Mon, 25 Feb 2002 19:32:06 -0500, machf <[email hidden]> wrote: >Well, unfortunately, as it turned out, you had to pay $2.50 to get an instant >photo taken and after that you could take yur own pictures... and at the time >I had less than $2 in my pocket, so I'll have to return another day... I bet Ecclestone was behind this idea :-/ Andre

In article <a58asv$5fjlk$[email hidden]>, "Douglas Ellison" <[email hidden]> writes: >"Ed Solheim" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >news:Bdtd8.21$[email hidden]... >> Why is this posted in this group and not rec.autos.sport.f1 - where it >> belongs?!?!? > >Because he wants to brag about it like a school kid Honestly, I probably would TOO...<g> Eldred -- Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPLRank - under construction... Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

In article <4k3e8.22225$[email hidden]>, "Tony Rickard" <[email hidden]> writes:

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> >> ROFL, well, I've agreed with DGF on several occasions lately too, >this >> is turning into a strange year..... > >Yeh, I think we should all start picking on Eldred - cos _everybody_ >likes him :-) >

<WHAP!> ...Ouch! Wow, THAT came from out of the blue...<g> Eldred - worried that I'll run against Mikey on VROC sometime...and LOSE... :-) -- Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPLRank - under construction... Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

In article <W2ve8.23893$dK1.93830@rwcrnsc54>, "Tom Pabst" <[email hidden]> writes: >Yeah.....let's pick on Eldred for the next five years! I never did like him >anyway....he's always name dropping and bragging about how good he is....and >he's always "right"....never helps anyone out with racing lines or talks to >the newbies and stuff in the race chat rooms [....-:).....] Hey, maybe we >could get "Gavel" to adopt Eldred as his target of lying, cheating and >slandering posts for a while....how about it Gavel? ....lol..... Tom - shut up and drive your effing Ferrari...! :-) Um, who's Gavel?<g> Eldred -- Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPLRank - under construction... Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

> >Yeh, I think we should all start picking on Eldred - cos_everybody_ > >likes him :-) > > <WHAP!> ...Ouch! > Wow, THAT came from out of the blue...<g> > > Eldred - worried that I'll run against Mikey on VROCsometime...and LOSE... :-) You are more likely to get shot by him on Medal of Honour these days. After he has shot me though - pesky kids...

On Tue, 26 Feb 2002 10:13:35 GMT, [email hidden] (Andre Warringa) wrote:

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>On Mon, 25 Feb 2002 19:32:06 -0500, machf ><[email hidden]> wrote: > >>Well, unfortunately, as it turned out, you had to pay $2.50 to get an instant >>photo taken and after that you could take yur own pictures... and at the time >>I had less than $2 in my pocket, so I'll have to return another day... > >I bet Ecclestone was behind this idea :-/ >

Well, it wouldn't surprise me a bit, but I believe Shell has to get its money back somehow... bringing the car into the country isn't exactly cheap. (and it involves a lot of peperwork, too... as a friend who works as a provider for Shell stations told me, they retained it at customs for several weeks) And today I finally got to take pictures from it. I'll let you all know once I've had the film developed and the pictures scanned. I took almost a whole reel of 36, and a friend of mine took 2 complete ones of 24 each... -- __________ ____---____ Marco Antonio Checa Funcke \_________D /-/---_----' Santiago de Surco, Lima, Peru _H__/_/ http://machf.tripod.com '-_____|( http://www.GeoCities.com/Hollywood/2645 remove the "no_me_j." and "sons.of." parts before replying