Has anyone been able to make a mod so that the cockpit sounds could be used
in roof view? The in car sounds are great and I would love to use them for
other views if possible.
Flame warNR2002 cockpit sounds in roof view sparks view debate
Schooner asked for a mod to use NR2002's cockpit engine sounds in roof view, and a sound pack was found on a fan site. The 117-post thread became a heated debate over cockpit versus roof camera, covering realism, peripheral vision, league rules forcing cockpit view and ways to bypass them. It degenerated into insults and FPS-game banter.
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"Schooner" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> Has anyone been able to make a mod so that the cockpit sounds could beused
> in roof view? The in car sounds are great and I would love to use themfor
> other views if possible.
incar sounds...are IN the car....
outside flying like a kite you should hear the wind... :)
dave(broken record) henrie
>"Schooner" <[email hidden]> wrote
> Has anyone been able to make a mod so that the cockpit sounds could beused
> in roof view?
Considering the game has been out for a small amount of days, of course the
answer is no. It wasn't even done for N4, a full year after it's release.
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> > "Schooner" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:oxXd8.20722$[email hidden]... > > Has anyone been able to make a mod so that the cockpit sounds could be > used > > in roof view? The in car sounds are great and I would love to use them > for > > other views if possible. > > incar sounds...are IN the car.... > outside flying like a kite you should hear the wind... :) > dave(broken record) henrie > > > >Well I thought that someone might have done it is all. I think it uses the
same format dat files as N$ so extraction should be much easier. Don't
assume that since it has only been out a few days that it hasn't been done.
The sound was extracted from the demo for N4 in only a few days.
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> >"Schooner" <[email hidden]> wrote > > Has anyone been able to make a mod so that the cockpit sounds could be > used > > in roof view? > > > Considering the game has been out for a small amount of days, of courseQuoted text (15 lines)
> answer is no. It wasn't even done for N4, a full year after it's release. > > > > > > > -- > -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> > -- http://www.ymenard.8m.com/ > -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimato Dominguez > Corporation - helping America into the New World... > > >Thanks for the useless reply :)
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> > "Schooner" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:oxXd8.20722$[email hidden]... > > Has anyone been able to make a mod so that the cockpit sounds could be > used > > in roof view? The in car sounds are great and I would love to use them > for > > other views if possible. > > incar sounds...are IN the car.... > outside flying like a kite you should hear the wind... :) > dave(broken record) henrie > > > >>"Schooner" <[email hidden]> wrote
> Well I thought that someone might have done it is all. I think it usesthe
> same format dat files as N$ so extraction should be much easier.
It's not about using different sounds. Whatever view uses the same sound,
they are just processed and filtered differently.
> Don't assume that since it has only been out a few days that it hasn'tbeen done.
Does.Not.Compute.
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Ok, whatever, I am just curious if anyone managed to change how they work so
the in car sounds can be duplicated in other views.
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> >"Schooner" <[email hidden]> wrote > > Well I thought that someone might have done it is all. I think it uses > the > > same format dat files as N$ so extraction should be much easier. > > It's not about using different sounds. Whatever view uses the same sound, > they are just processed and filtered differently. > > > > > Don't assume that since it has only been out a few days that it hasn't > been done. > > Does.Not.Compute. > > > > -- > -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> > -- http://www.ymenard.8m.com/ > -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimato Dominguez > Corporation - helping America into the New World... > > >I thought the same thing when I tried the demo.
"Schooner" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> Has anyone been able to make a mod so that the cockpit sounds could beused
> in roof view? The in car sounds are great and I would love to use themfor
> other views if possible.
>
>
it's already been done...don't remember the link...it was on the sierra
forum last week
"Schooner" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> Ok, whatever, I am just curious if anyone managed to change how they workso
> the in car sounds can be duplicated in other views.
>
> "ymenard" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> > >"Schooner" <[email hidden]> wrote
> > > Well I thought that someone might have done it is all. I think ituses
> > the
> > > same format dat files as N$ so extraction should be much easier.
> >
> > It's not about using different sounds. Whatever view uses the samesound,
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> > they are just processed and filtered differently. > > > > > > > > > Don't assume that since it has only been out a few days that it hasn't > > been done. > > > > Does.Not.Compute. > > > > > > > > -- > > -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> > > -- http://www.ymenard.8m.com/ > > -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimato Dominguez > > Corporation - helping America into the New World... > > > > > > > >I hope you find nothing but forced cockpit view races online.........
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Biz
"Don't touch that please, your primitive intellect wouldn't understand
alloys and compositions and,......things with molecular structures,....and
the....." - Ash
Schooner <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:lR4e8.20818$[email hidden]...
> Ok, whatever, I am just curious if anyone managed to change how they work so
> the in car sounds can be duplicated in other views.
>
> "ymenard" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> > >"Schooner" <[email hidden]> wrote
> > > Well I thought that someone might have done it is all. I think it uses
> > the
> > > same format dat files as N$ so extraction should be much easier.
> >
> > It's not about using different sounds. Whatever view uses the same sound,
> > they are just processed and filtered differently.
> >
> >
> >
> > > Don't assume that since it has only been out a few days that it hasn't
> > been done.
> >
> > Does.Not.Compute.
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard>
> > -- http://www.ymenard.8m.com/
> > -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimato Dominguez
> > Corporation - helping America into the New World...
> >
> >
> >
>
>
Wha?
Most leagues don't force cockpit view as it is too dangerous.
"Biz" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> > Ok, whatever, I am just curious if anyone managed to change how theywork so
> > the in car sounds can be duplicated in other views.
> >
> > "ymenard" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
> > news:7J4e8.64688$[email hidden]...
> > > >"Schooner" <[email hidden]> wrote
> > > > Well I thought that someone might have done it is all. I think ituses
> > > the
> > > > same format dat files as N$ so extraction should be much easier.
> > >
> > > It's not about using different sounds. Whatever view uses the samesound,
> > > they are just processed and filtered differently.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > Don't assume that since it has only been out a few days that ithasn't
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> I hope you find nothing but forced cockpit view races online......... > -- > Biz > > "Don't touch that please, your primitive intellect wouldn't understand > alloys and compositions and,......things with molecular structures,....and > the....." - Ash > > > Schooner <[email hidden]> wrote in messageQuoted text (18 lines)
> > > been done. > > > > > > Does.Not.Compute. > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> > > > -- http://www.ymenard.8m.com/ > > > -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimato Dominguez > > > Corporation - helping America into the New World... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Whoops wrong link, but you may want that one two.
This is the one you want http://n2002.racesim.net its in the downloads
MadDAWG
"Schooner" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> Wha?
> Most leagues don't force cockpit view as it is too dangerous. What do you mean?<asking not challenging> I can agree that when your hood
is smushed up to the windscreen that is very difficult to see, but other
than that, how is driving 'incar' more dangerous than floating up above the
car where all the bugs get in yer teeth?
Your Situational Awareness isn't limited because your in the car.
However, after ranting,(which I "HAVE" to do everytime this subject comes up
:> ) I will agree that I haven't found a league yet that won't let a
driver pick his own view...
Still I'd find someway to challenge his/her manhood and get them back IN
the car where everybody belongs. :)
dave henrie
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> http://www.discountdescramblers.com/nascar.html
>
> MadDAWG All you've proven MD, besides having the wrong link hehe, is how 'WRONG'
it is to be floating up above your car. I'm looking at the box now,
nowhere do I find 'kite simulator' on the packaging.
However, kudos to the guy/guys who figured that out. Many of youse will
be happier.
dave henrie
Huh? Dangerous?
-John
"Schooner" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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structures,....and
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> Wha? > Most leagues don't force cockpit view as it is too dangerous. > > "Biz" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:eF7e8.10987$[email hidden]... > > I hope you find nothing but forced cockpit view races online......... > > -- > > Biz > > > > "Don't touch that please, your primitive intellect wouldn't understand > > alloys and compositions and,......things with molecularQuoted text (45 lines)
> > the....." - Ash > > > > > > Schooner <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:lR4e8.20818$[email hidden]... > > > Ok, whatever, I am just curious if anyone managed to change how they > work so > > > the in car sounds can be duplicated in other views. > > > > > > "ymenard" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > news:7J4e8.64688$[email hidden]... > > > > >"Schooner" <[email hidden]> wrote > > > > > Well I thought that someone might have done it is all. I think it > uses > > > > the > > > > > same format dat files as N$ so extraction should be much easier. > > > > > > > > It's not about using different sounds. Whatever view uses the same > sound, > > > > they are just processed and filtered differently. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Don't assume that since it has only been out a few days that it > hasn't > > > > been done. > > > > > > > > Does.Not.Compute. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> > > > > -- http://www.ymenard.8m.com/ > > > > -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimato Dominguez > > > > Corporation - helping America into the New World... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Dave, my league doesn't force a view :) Anyone who wants to drive from the
air can(though none do); you can always spot them, they're the ones a few
laps down :)
-John
"Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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>
> "> What do you mean?<asking not challenging> I can agree that when yourhood
> is smushed up to the windscreen that is very difficult to see, but other
> than that, how is driving 'incar' more dangerous than floating up abovethe
> car where all the bugs get in yer teeth?
> Your Situational Awareness isn't limited because your in the car.
> However, after ranting,(which I "HAVE" to do everytime this subject comesup
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> :> ) I will agree that I haven't found a league yet that won't let a > driver pick his own view... > Still I'd find someway to challenge his/her manhood and get them back IN > the car where everybody belongs. :) > dave henrie > >Never mind. You guys are right, in car is best.
We normally can spot the in car drivers in races, their the ones blocking as
they can't see cars beside them. I personally feel roof view is best mix of
2 as it provides a more realistic view and provides some side to side
vision. I too do not like the full car view but in car is too limited.
"John Pancoast" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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it
> > uses
> > > > > the
> > > > > > same format dat files as N$ so extraction should be much easier.
> > > > >
> > > > > It's not about using different sounds. Whatever view uses thesame
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> Huh? Dangerous? > > -John > > > "Schooner" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:nJ7e8.20894$[email hidden]... > > Wha? > > Most leagues don't force cockpit view as it is too dangerous. > > > > "Biz" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:eF7e8.10987$[email hidden]... > > > I hope you find nothing but forced cockpit view races online......... > > > -- > > > Biz > > > > > > "Don't touch that please, your primitive intellect wouldn't understand > > > alloys and compositions and,......things with molecular > structures,....and > > > the....." - Ash > > > > > > > > > Schooner <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:lR4e8.20818$[email hidden]... > > > > Ok, whatever, I am just curious if anyone managed to change how they > > work so > > > > the in car sounds can be duplicated in other views. > > > > > > > > "ymenard" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > > news:7J4e8.64688$[email hidden]... > > > > > >"Schooner" <[email hidden]> wrote > > > > > > Well I thought that someone might have done it is all. I thinkQuoted text (29 lines)
> > sound, > > > > > they are just processed and filtered differently. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Don't assume that since it has only been out a few days that it > > hasn't > > > > > been done. > > > > > > > > > > Does.Not.Compute. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> > > > > > -- http://www.ymenard.8m.com/ > > > > > -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimato Dominguez > > > > > Corporation - helping America into the New World... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Why is it wrong to use the roof view? It's a more realistic feel in my
opinion.
No view is "WRONG", it's whatever works best for the driver.
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> > "MadDAWG" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > http://www.discountdescramblers.com/nascar.html > > > > MadDAWG > All you've proven MD, besides having the wrong link hehe, is how 'WRONG' > it is to be floating up above your car. I'm looking at the box now, > nowhere do I find 'kite simulator' on the packaging. > However, kudos to the guy/guys who figured that out. Many of youse will > be happier. > dave henrie > >John,
So everyone in your league uses in car view?
To each his own I guess. the view and sound is nice but limits your vision
too much I find, especially for online racing where you need to allow for
warp and such.
"John Pancoast" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> Dave, my league doesn't force a view :) Anyone who wants to drive fromthe
your
comes
> up
> > :> ) I will agree that I haven't found a league yet that won't let a
> > driver pick his own view...
> > Still I'd find someway to challenge his/her manhood and get them backIN
> > the car where everybody belongs. :)
> > dave henrie
> >
> >
>
>
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> air can(though none do); you can always spot them, they're the ones a few > laps down :) > > -John > > > "Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:XV7e8.16977$[email hidden]... > > > > "> What do you mean?<asking not challenging> I can agree that whenQuoted text (7 lines)
> hood > > is smushed up to the windscreen that is very difficult to see, but other > > than that, how is driving 'incar' more dangerous than floating up above > the > > car where all the bugs get in yer teeth? > > Your Situational Awareness isn't limited because your in the car. > > However, after ranting,(which I "HAVE" to do everytime this subject Sorry Schooner just an old old personal bias of mine. I agree it's ok to
let others use the view they feel most comfy with.
But my feeling of wrong-ness comes from instinct, not rulebooks. If I
attempt a flight sim, I fly from inside the plane, not behind...if I play
other titles, I try and get the view that is closest to what I would see in
real life...Even motorcycle sims, that rarely get a saddle view done right,
with feedback cues so you know body posisiton your rider is in...I still go
with some sort of handlbar view...Stubborn I guess and slower than many
other posters here too, so take that into account. ;(
But I'll be the slowest slug here rather than climb up on a roof. That
went out with Biplanes and wingwalkers... :)
dave henrie
Because you have more vision left and right and it's not boxed in like the
in car view which is too cluttered and blocked.
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> Hi Schooner, > > I'm surprised you perceive the roof view as being more > realistic - how come? :-) > > Achim > > > > "Schooner" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:hU8e8.20927$[email hidden]... > > Why is it wrong to use the roof view? It's a more realistic feel in my > > opinion. > > No view is "WRONG", it's whatever works best for the driver. > > > > "Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:__7e8.17003$[email hidden]... > > > > > > "MadDAWG" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > news:[email hidden]... > > > > http://www.discountdescramblers.com/nascar.html > > > > > > > > MadDAWG > > > All you've proven MD, besides having the wrong link hehe, is how > 'WRONG' > > > it is to be floating up above your car. I'm looking at the box now, > > > nowhere do I find 'kite simulator' on the packaging. > > > However, kudos to the guy/guys who figured that out. Many of youse > will > > > be happier. > > > dave henrie > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Hi Schooner,
I'm surprised you perceive the roof view as being more
realistic - how come? :-)
Achim
"Schooner" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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'WRONG'
> > it is to be floating up above your car. I'm looking at the box now,
> > nowhere do I find 'kite simulator' on the packaging.
> > However, kudos to the guy/guys who figured that out. Many of yousewill
> > be happier.
> > dave henrie
> >
> >
>
>
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> Why is it wrong to use the roof view? It's a more realistic feel in my > opinion. > No view is "WRONG", it's whatever works best for the driver. > > "Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:__7e8.17003$[email hidden]... > > > > "MadDAWG" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:[email hidden]... > > > http://www.discountdescramblers.com/nascar.html > > > > > > MadDAWG > > All you've proven MD, besides having the wrong link hehe, is how
"Joachim Trensz" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> but wouldn't this restricted situational awareness be precisely what real
> Nascar drivers have to deal with, caged and boxed into their metal cage,
> with their full protection helmets, HANS devices around their necks,
> strapped into their lowrider seats, side windows obscured by these safety
> nets, rear view (and mirror) obscured by the rollcage, etc. etc.?
No. They have a much larger fov.
> On a side note, does the roof view have a mirror?
Yes.
David G Fisher
> Achim
>
>
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> > Because you have more vision left and right and it's not boxed in likethe
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> > in car view which is too cluttered and blocked. > > > > "Joachim Trensz" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:a5bbqa$5tk62$[email hidden]... > > > Hi Schooner, > > > > > > I'm surprised you perceive the roof view as being more > > > realistic - how come? :-) > > > > > > Achim > > > > > > > > > > > > "Schooner" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > news:hU8e8.20927$[email hidden]... > > > > Why is it wrong to use the roof view? It's a more realistic feel in > my > > > > opinion. > > > > No view is "WRONG", it's whatever works best for the driver. > > > > > > > > "Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > > news:__7e8.17003$[email hidden]... > > > > > > > > > > "MadDAWG" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > > > news:[email hidden]... > > > > > > http://www.discountdescramblers.com/nascar.html > > > > > > > > > > > > MadDAWG > > > > > All you've proven MD, besides having the wrong link hehe, is how > > > 'WRONG' > > > > > it is to be floating up above your car. I'm looking at the box > now, > > > > > nowhere do I find 'kite simulator' on the packaging. > > > > > However, kudos to the guy/guys who figured that out. Many of > youse > > > will > > > > > be happier. > > > > > dave henrie > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Definately agre Schooner that anyone should use whatever they want; as to
one being realistic or not, who cares, it's a game, though the cockpit view
is more realistic for obvious reasons IMO.
The problem I've always run into in the past, is roof riders actually
causing more wrecks/problems than anyone else.
If someone can do it safely, more power to them.
-John
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my
now,
> > > > nowhere do I find 'kite simulator' on the packaging.
> > > > However, kudos to the guy/guys who figured that out. Many ofyouse
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> Because you have more vision left and right and it's not boxed in like the > in car view which is too cluttered and blocked. > > "Joachim Trensz" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:a5bbqa$5tk62$[email hidden]... > > Hi Schooner, > > > > I'm surprised you perceive the roof view as being more > > realistic - how come? :-) > > > > Achim > > > > > > > > "Schooner" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:hU8e8.20927$[email hidden]... > > > Why is it wrong to use the roof view? It's a more realistic feel inQuoted text (14 lines)
> > > opinion. > > > No view is "WRONG", it's whatever works best for the driver. > > > > > > "Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > news:__7e8.17003$[email hidden]... > > > > > > > > "MadDAWG" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > > news:[email hidden]... > > > > > http://www.discountdescramblers.com/nascar.html > > > > > > > > > > MadDAWG > > > > All you've proven MD, besides having the wrong link hehe, is how > > 'WRONG' > > > > it is to be floating up above your car. I'm looking at the boxQuoted text (13 lines)
> > will > > > > be happier. > > > > dave henrie > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >If your looking for a league that does use the force cockpit option, check
out VRW.
www.virtualracingworld.com
Jay Taylor
"Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> "Schooner" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> > Wha?
> > Most leagues don't force cockpit view as it is too dangerous.
> What do you mean?<asking not challenging> I can agree that when yourhood
> is smushed up to the windscreen that is very difficult to see, but other
> than that, how is driving 'incar' more dangerous than floating up abovethe
> car where all the bugs get in yer teeth?
> Your Situational Awareness isn't limited because your in the car.
> However, after ranting,(which I "HAVE" to do everytime this subject comesup
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> :> ) I will agree that I haven't found a league yet that won't let a > driver pick his own view... > Still I'd find someway to challenge his/her manhood and get them back IN > the car where everybody belongs. :) > dave henrie > >For me, I've always been able to "feel" what the car is doing much better,
from the incar view. There are alot of visual que's as to whats going on
with the car that you learn to notice from the cockpit. It seems that
people who complain about the incar view, would rather make excuses then
take the time to get use to it. It does take some time learn the
situational awareness you need from the cockpit. but it is very possible.
Most if not all of the top guys I've raced with online use the cockpit view
and have no trouble running door to door.
Jay Taylor
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> On Sun, 24 Feb 2002 20:12:10 -0000, "Joachim Trensz" > <[email hidden]> wrote: > > >but wouldn't this restricted situational awareness be precisely what real > >Nascar drivers have to deal with, caged and boxed into their metal cage, > >with their full protection helmets, HANS devices around their necks, > >strapped into their lowrider seats, side windows obscured by these safety > >nets, rear view (and mirror) obscured by the rollcage, etc. etc.? > > I think it would depend on how well cockpit view was done. N4 was too > restrictive IMO, I don't think it gave enough peripheral information. > It's hard to quantify that exactly, but I drove from the roof in N4 > because I would rather err on the side of too much information (and > therefore safer) than not enough. I like the cockpit in 2002 much > more, but I have to admit I've acclimated to the roof so I'm probably > 50/50 but moving towards the in-car. > > > >On a side note, does the roof view have a mirror? > > Yup! > > Actual cars have very little side vision too, especially after last year,
fwiw.
-John
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> On Sun, 24 Feb 2002 20:12:10 -0000, "Joachim Trensz" > <[email hidden]> wrote: > > >but wouldn't this restricted situational awareness be precisely what real > >Nascar drivers have to deal with, caged and boxed into their metal cage, > >with their full protection helmets, HANS devices around their necks, > >strapped into their lowrider seats, side windows obscured by these safety > >nets, rear view (and mirror) obscured by the rollcage, etc. etc.? > > I think it would depend on how well cockpit view was done. N4 was too > restrictive IMO, I don't think it gave enough peripheral information. > It's hard to quantify that exactly, but I drove from the roof in N4 > because I would rather err on the side of too much information (and > therefore safer) than not enough. I like the cockpit in 2002 much > more, but I have to admit I've acclimated to the roof so I'm probably > 50/50 but moving towards the in-car. > > > >On a side note, does the roof view have a mirror? > > Yup! > >Why not just edit the in-car view to give as muchview as
possible...what I mean is have theviewable part of the window extend
almost completly top to bottom and left to right...Then change the
dash so that all the dials are in this smaller portion of viewable
dash
On Sun, 24 Feb 2002 10:38:10 -0500, "MadDAWG"
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>http://www.discountdescramblers.com/nascar.html
>
>MadDAWG
>
>
but wouldn't this restricted situational awareness be precisely what real
Nascar drivers have to deal with, caged and boxed into their metal cage,
with their full protection helmets, HANS devices around their necks,
strapped into their lowrider seats, side windows obscured by these safety
nets, rear view (and mirror) obscured by the rollcage, etc. etc.?
On a side note, does the roof view have a mirror?
Achim
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now,
> > > > nowhere do I find 'kite simulator' on the packaging.
> > > > However, kudos to the guy/guys who figured that out. Many ofyouse
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> Because you have more vision left and right and it's not boxed in like the > in car view which is too cluttered and blocked. > > "Joachim Trensz" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:a5bbqa$5tk62$[email hidden]... > > Hi Schooner, > > > > I'm surprised you perceive the roof view as being more > > realistic - how come? :-) > > > > Achim > > > > > > > > "Schooner" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:hU8e8.20927$[email hidden]... > > > Why is it wrong to use the roof view? It's a more realistic feel inQuoted text (14 lines)
> > > opinion. > > > No view is "WRONG", it's whatever works best for the driver. > > > > > > "Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > news:__7e8.17003$[email hidden]... > > > > > > > > "MadDAWG" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > > news:[email hidden]... > > > > > http://www.discountdescramblers.com/nascar.html > > > > > > > > > > MadDAWG > > > > All you've proven MD, besides having the wrong link hehe, is how > > 'WRONG' > > > > it is to be floating up above your car. I'm looking at the boxQuoted text (13 lines)
> > will > > > > be happier. > > > > dave henrie > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >They can still move their head though. Even if it was locked in place, the
eye balls can bounce around. :-)
DavidG Fisher
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> Actual cars have very little side vision too, especially after lastyear,
real
> > >Nascar drivers have to deal with, caged and boxed into their metalcage,
> > >with their full protection helmets, HANS devices around their necks,
> > >strapped into their lowrider seats, side windows obscured by thesesafety
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> fwiw. > > -John > > > "John Hilsman" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > On Sun, 24 Feb 2002 20:12:10 -0000, "Joachim Trensz" > > <[email hidden]> wrote: > > > > >but wouldn't this restricted situational awareness be precisely whatQuoted text (18 lines)
> > >nets, rear view (and mirror) obscured by the rollcage, etc. etc.? > > > > I think it would depend on how well cockpit view was done. N4 was too > > restrictive IMO, I don't think it gave enough peripheral information. > > It's hard to quantify that exactly, but I drove from the roof in N4 > > because I would rather err on the side of too much information (and > > therefore safer) than not enough. I like the cockpit in 2002 much > > more, but I have to admit I've acclimated to the roof so I'm probably > > 50/50 but moving towards the in-car. > > > > > > >On a side note, does the roof view have a mirror? > > > > Yup! > > > > > > Yes, but they can't see squat anyway. And you'd be surprised how little
their head can even move. Turn 90 degrees and they're looking at a black
piece of padding :)
-John
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> They can still move their head though. Even if it was locked in place, the > eye balls can bounce around. :-) > > > DavidG Fisher > > "John Pancoast" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > Actual cars have very little side vision too, especially after last > year, > > fwiw. > > > > -John > > > > > > "John Hilsman" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:[email hidden]... > > > On Sun, 24 Feb 2002 20:12:10 -0000, "Joachim Trensz" > > > <[email hidden]> wrote: > > > > > > >but wouldn't this restricted situational awareness be precisely what > real > > > >Nascar drivers have to deal with, caged and boxed into their metal > cage, > > > >with their full protection helmets, HANS devices around their necks, > > > >strapped into their lowrider seats, side windows obscured by these > safety > > > >nets, rear view (and mirror) obscured by the rollcage, etc. etc.? > > > > > > I think it would depend on how well cockpit view was done. N4 was too > > > restrictive IMO, I don't think it gave enough peripheral information. > > > It's hard to quantify that exactly, but I drove from the roof in N4 > > > because I would rather err on the side of too much information (and > > > therefore safer) than not enough. I like the cockpit in 2002 much > > > more, but I have to admit I've acclimated to the roof so I'm probably > > > 50/50 but moving towards the in-car. > > > > > > > > > >On a side note, does the roof view have a mirror? > > > > > > Yup! > > > > > > > > > > > >Here ya go...
http://www.discountdescramblers.com/sounds.zip
And btw... forcing cockpit does NOT force the cockpit for me, as I've made
all of my views "roof" view, so that BS doesn't work anyhow.
MWAHAHAHA
Roof view forever!!!
:)
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> Never mind. You guys are right, in car is best.
> We normally can spot the in car drivers in races, their the ones blockingas
> they can't see cars beside them. I personally feel roof view is best mixof
online.........
> > > > --
> > > > Biz
> > > >
> > > > "Don't touch that please, your primitive intellect wouldn'tunderstand
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> > > > > > > same format dat files as N$ so extraction should be mucheasier.
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> 2 as it provides a more realistic view and provides some side to side > vision. I too do not like the full car view but in car is too limited. > > "John Pancoast" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > Huh? Dangerous? > > > > -John > > > > > > "Schooner" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:nJ7e8.20894$[email hidden]... > > > Wha? > > > Most leagues don't force cockpit view as it is too dangerous. > > > > > > "Biz" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > news:eF7e8.10987$[email hidden]... > > > > I hope you find nothing but forced cockpit view racesQuoted text (8 lines)
> > > > alloys and compositions and,......things with molecular > > structures,....and > > > > the....." - Ash > > > > > > > > > > > > Schooner <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > news:lR4e8.20818$[email hidden]... > > > > > Ok, whatever, I am just curious if anyone managed to change howQuoted text (7 lines)
> > > work so > > > > > the in car sounds can be duplicated in other views. > > > > > > > > > > "ymenard" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > > > news:7J4e8.64688$[email hidden]... > > > > > > >"Schooner" <[email hidden]> wrote > > > > > > > Well I thought that someone might have done it is all. IQuoted text (9 lines)
> > > > > > > > > > > > It's not about using different sounds. Whatever view uses the > same > > > sound, > > > > > > they are just processed and filtered differently. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Don't assume that since it has only been out a few days thatQuoted text (25 lines)
> > > hasn't > > > > > > been done. > > > > > > > > > > > > Does.Not.Compute. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> > > > > > > -- http://www.ymenard.8m.com/ > > > > > > -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimato Dominguez > > > > > > Corporation - helping America into the New World... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Schooner wrote:
>
> Because you have more vision left and right and it's not boxed in like the
> in car view which is too cluttered and blocked.
Which is why you assign look left & look right buttons on your wheel.
--
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You're right. No big deal; bet you have a great view of getting lapped :)
-John
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> > they can't see cars beside them. I personally feel roof view is bestmix
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> Here ya go... > > http://www.discountdescramblers.com/sounds.zip > > And btw... forcing cockpit does NOT force the cockpit for me, as I've made > all of my views "roof" view, so that BS doesn't work anyhow. > > MWAHAHAHA > > Roof view forever!!! > > :) > > > "Schooner" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:OS8e8.20926$[email hidden]... > > Never mind. You guys are right, in car is best. > > We normally can spot the in car drivers in races, their the onesQuoted text (68 lines)
> of > > 2 as it provides a more realistic view and provides some side to side > > vision. I too do not like the full car view but in car is too limited. > > > > "John Pancoast" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:[email hidden]... > > > Huh? Dangerous? > > > > > > -John > > > > > > > > > "Schooner" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > news:nJ7e8.20894$[email hidden]... > > > > Wha? > > > > Most leagues don't force cockpit view as it is too dangerous. > > > > > > > > "Biz" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > > news:eF7e8.10987$[email hidden]... > > > > > I hope you find nothing but forced cockpit view races > online......... > > > > > -- > > > > > Biz > > > > > > > > > > "Don't touch that please, your primitive intellect wouldn't > understand > > > > > alloys and compositions and,......things with molecular > > > structures,....and > > > > > the....." - Ash > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Schooner <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > > news:lR4e8.20818$[email hidden]... > > > > > > Ok, whatever, I am just curious if anyone managed to change how > they > > > > work so > > > > > > the in car sounds can be duplicated in other views. > > > > > > > > > > > > "ymenard" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > > > > news:7J4e8.64688$[email hidden]... > > > > > > > >"Schooner" <[email hidden]> wrote > > > > > > > > Well I thought that someone might have done it is all. I > think > > it > > > > uses > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > same format dat files as N$ so extraction should be much > easier. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It's not about using different sounds. Whatever view uses the > > same > > > > sound, > > > > > > > they are just processed and filtered differently. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Don't assume that since it has only been out a few days that > it > > > > hasn't > > > > > > > been done. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Does.Not.Compute. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> > > > > > > > -- http://www.ymenard.8m.com/ > > > > > > > -- This announcement is brought to you by the ShimatoQuoted text (16 lines)
> > > > > > > Corporation - helping America into the New World... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >David G Fisher wrote:
>
> No. They have a much larger fov.
If we were talking passenger cars here I'd agree. But I challenge that
notion in a modern-day NASCAR.
> > On a side note, does the roof view have a mirror?
>
> Yes.
Great.....
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brains or should people do a little more reading and smarten up?"
from alt.linux.mandrake NG
David G Fisher wrote:
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> They can still move their head though. Even if it was locked in place, the
> eye balls can bounce around. :-)
I think we can see more when we turn our heads via the look left/look
right buttons than they can.
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Fester
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brains or should people do a little more reading and smarten up?"
from alt.linux.mandrake NG
I tried the download but the sounds haven't changed. I still have the
default engine sound in roof view. It said to extract the contents to the
'sounds' folder, which I did.
David G Fisher
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> Whoops wrong link, but you may want that one two. > This is the one you want http://n2002.racesim.net its in the downloads > > MadDAWG > > > >Well the fact they can turn their head a bit is a big difference, lot
different than the all or nothing left/right view in n2002.
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> but wouldn't this restricted situational awareness be precisely what real > Nascar drivers have to deal with, caged and boxed into their metal cage, > with their full protection helmets, HANS devices around their necks, > strapped into their lowrider seats, side windows obscured by these safety > nets, rear view (and mirror) obscured by the rollcage, etc. etc.? > > On a side note, does the roof view have a mirror? > > Achim > > > "Schooner" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:wzae8.20971$[email hidden]... > > Because you have more vision left and right and it's not boxed in likeQuoted text (50 lines)
> > in car view which is too cluttered and blocked. > > > > "Joachim Trensz" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:a5bbqa$5tk62$[email hidden]... > > > Hi Schooner, > > > > > > I'm surprised you perceive the roof view as being more > > > realistic - how come? :-) > > > > > > Achim > > > > > > > > > > > > "Schooner" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > news:hU8e8.20927$[email hidden]... > > > > Why is it wrong to use the roof view? It's a more realistic feel in > my > > > > opinion. > > > > No view is "WRONG", it's whatever works best for the driver. > > > > > > > > "Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > > news:__7e8.17003$[email hidden]... > > > > > > > > > > "MadDAWG" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > > > news:[email hidden]... > > > > > > http://www.discountdescramblers.com/nascar.html > > > > > > > > > > > > MadDAWG > > > > > All you've proven MD, besides having the wrong link hehe, is how > > > 'WRONG' > > > > > it is to be floating up above your car. I'm looking at the box > now, > > > > > nowhere do I find 'kite simulator' on the packaging. > > > > > However, kudos to the guy/guys who figured that out. Many of > youse > > > will > > > > > be happier. > > > > > dave henrie > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Yes, but it's not a smooth transition. You wann try and look left and right
running 3 wide into a turn?
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> > Because you have more vision left and right and it's not boxed in likethe
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> > in car view which is too cluttered and blocked. > > > Which is why you assign look left & look right buttons on your wheel. > > -- > > Fester > > "Is it that we need a nobrainer Linux desktop OS for people with no > brains or should people do a little more reading and smarten up?" > from alt.linux.mandrake NG>"David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in
> They can still move their head though.
Yep and you can in NR2002, at a realistic range like the drivers.
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>"Schooner" <[email hidden]> wrote
> Yes, but it's not a smooth transition.
And you think for them it's a piece of cake?
> You wann try and look left and right
> running 3 wide into a turn?
Well, you would want in a real WC car?
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>"Schooner" <[email hidden]> wrote
> Most leagues don't force cockpit view as it is too dangerous.
Stop writing non-sense. In fact, MOST *real* leagues that have been on
earth more then a couple of seasons force the cockpit. You know, the big
leagues.
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Ah sorry, again you must be right like the others.
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> >"Schooner" <[email hidden]> wrote > > Most leagues don't force cockpit view as it is too dangerous. > > > Stop writing non-sense. In fact, MOST *real* leagues that have been on > earth more then a couple of seasons force the cockpit. You know, the big > leagues. > > > > > -- > -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> > -- http://www.ymenard.8m.com/ > -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimato Dominguez > Corporation - helping America into the New World... > > >Forget it, the point seems to be lost anyway. I asked about sound pack and
it turns into an issue where the cockpit drivers think the rest are lame.
Makes me think most of these cockpit drivers are GPL drivers as well, same
elitist attitude.
Use the view you want but why must you feel your opinion is right and all
others are wrong?
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> >"Schooner" <[email hidden]> wrote > > Yes, but it's not a smooth transition. > > And you think for them it's a piece of cake? > > > You wann try and look left and right > > running 3 wide into a turn? > > Well, you would want in a real WC car? > > > > > -- > -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> > -- http://www.ymenard.8m.com/ > -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimato Dominguez > Corporation - helping America into the New World... > > > >>"Schooner" <[email hidden]> wrote
> Ah sorry, again you must be right like the others.
Pffffft, your attitude was based on no facts, unless you polled every league
in existence on the planet. Mine was facts, I was talking about the high
end leagues that have started back on the NROS or Hawaii. They about all,
force the cockpit.
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Hi David,
thanks for giving your opinion :-)
Achim
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> No. They have a much larger fov.
Again I said sorry, your right. If you have been racing since NROS and
Hawaii you must be right, new people are always wrong.
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> >"Schooner" <[email hidden]> wrote
> > Ah sorry, again you must be right like the others.
>
>
> Pffffft, your attitude was based on no facts, unless you polled everyleague
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> in existence on the planet. Mine was facts, I was talking about the high > end leagues that have started back on the NROS or Hawaii. They about all, > force the cockpit. > > > > > > > -- > -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> > -- http://www.ymenard.8m.com/ > -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimato Dominguez > Corporation - helping America into the New World... > > >I'minahurrytonight.
DGF
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> Hi David, > > thanks for giving your opinion :-) > > Achim > > > "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:Ycbe8.66373$[email hidden]... > ... > > No. They have a much larger fov. > > >That look left/right option isn't very practical. Doesn't work too well in
any sim. The way the cockpit view is now, it's as if I'm in my own car with
horse blinders on. I drive the same lap times in either view anyway. I just
enjoy the experience a little more with the roof view.
David G Fisher
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> >"David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in > > They can still move their head though. > > Yep and you can in NR2002, at a realistic range like the drivers. > > > > > > -- > -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> > -- http://www.ymenard.8m.com/ > -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimato Dominguez > Corporation - helping America into the New World... > > >Shhhh, roof view is wrong and all the "high end leagues" use cockpit. You
better change or be left behind. Not sure what "high end" means. There are
a lot of leagues around and I never seen any that was supposedly the best of
the best. They all run for various reasons be that race length, tracks run,
time of races, geographic location, etc.
Just kidding, I find it funny how some think they are better than others
because they force the cockpit view and feel that makes them better drivers.
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> That look left/right option isn't very practical. Doesn't work too well in
> any sim. The way the cockpit view is now, it's as if I'm in my own carwith
> horse blinders on. I drive the same lap times in either view anyway. Ijust
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> enjoy the experience a little more with the roof view. > > David G Fisher > > "ymenard" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:poee8.1062$[email hidden]... > > >"David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in > > > They can still move their head though. > > > > Yep and you can in NR2002, at a realistic range like the drivers. > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> > > -- http://www.ymenard.8m.com/ > > -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimato Dominguez > > Corporation - helping America into the New World... > > > > > > > >Haha... you assume too much. :) I win plenty of times and almost always
finish top ten. Seems you're into more wishfull thinking than reality. If
you can't handle that roof drivers are as good, if not better than cockpit
drivers, sounds like you have an ego problem to solve. :)
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> You're right. No big deal; bet you have a great view of getting lapped:)
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> > -John > > > "shpankey" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:L6de8.8496$[email hidden]... > > Here ya go... > > > > http://www.discountdescramblers.com/sounds.zip > > > > And btw... forcing cockpit does NOT force the cockpit for me, as I'veQuoted text (20 lines)
> > all of my views "roof" view, so that BS doesn't work anyhow. > > > > MWAHAHAHA > > > > Roof view forever!!! > > > > :) > > > > > > "Schooner" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:OS8e8.20926$[email hidden]... > > > Never mind. You guys are right, in car is best. > > > We normally can spot the in car drivers in races, their the ones > blocking > > as > > > they can't see cars beside them. I personally feel roof view is best > mix > > of > > > 2 as it provides a more realistic view and provides some side to side > > > vision. I too do not like the full car view but in car is tooQuoted text (30 lines)
> > > > > > "John Pancoast" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > news:[email hidden]... > > > > Huh? Dangerous? > > > > > > > > -John > > > > > > > > > > > > "Schooner" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > > news:nJ7e8.20894$[email hidden]... > > > > > Wha? > > > > > Most leagues don't force cockpit view as it is too dangerous. > > > > > > > > > > "Biz" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > > > news:eF7e8.10987$[email hidden]... > > > > > > I hope you find nothing but forced cockpit view races > > online......... > > > > > > -- > > > > > > Biz > > > > > > > > > > > > "Don't touch that please, your primitive intellect wouldn't > > understand > > > > > > alloys and compositions and,......things with molecular > > > > structures,....and > > > > > > the....." - Ash > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Schooner <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > > > news:lR4e8.20818$[email hidden]... > > > > > > > Ok, whatever, I am just curious if anyone managed to changeQuoted text (16 lines)
> > they > > > > > work so > > > > > > > the in car sounds can be duplicated in other views. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "ymenard" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > > > > > news:7J4e8.64688$[email hidden]... > > > > > > > > >"Schooner" <[email hidden]> wrote > > > > > > > > > Well I thought that someone might have done it is all. I > > think > > > it > > > > > uses > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > same format dat files as N$ so extraction should be much > > easier. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It's not about using different sounds. Whatever view usesQuoted text (7 lines)
> > > same > > > > > sound, > > > > > > > > they are just processed and filtered differently. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Don't assume that since it has only been out a few daysQuoted text (31 lines)
> > it > > > > > hasn't > > > > > > > > been done. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Does.Not.Compute. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> > > > > > > > > -- http://www.ymenard.8m.com/ > > > > > > > > -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimato > Dominguez > > > > > > > > Corporation - helping America into the New World... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Here is a direct link...
http://www.discountdescramblers.com/sounds.zip
Again, on the force cockpit issue, it is a non-issue if you just make all of
your views the roof view. Then all they do is force one of the roof views.
"David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> I tried the download but the sounds haven't changed. I still have the > default engine sound in roof view. It said to extract the contents to the > 'sounds' folder, which I did. > > David G Fisher > > "MadDAWG" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > Whoops wrong link, but you may want that one two. > > This is the one you want http://n2002.racesim.net its in the downloads > > > > MadDAWG > > > > > > > > > >Again... a direct link to the sounds you seek...
http://www.discountdescramblers.com/sounds.zip
"Schooner" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> Forget it, the point seems to be lost anyway. I asked about sound packand
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> it turns into an issue where the cockpit drivers think the rest are lame. > Makes me think most of these cockpit drivers are GPL drivers as well, same > elitist attitude. > > Use the view you want but why must you feel your opinion is right and all > others are wrong? > > "ymenard" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:%oee8.1063$[email hidden]... > > >"Schooner" <[email hidden]> wrote > > > Yes, but it's not a smooth transition. > > > > And you think for them it's a piece of cake? > > > > > You wann try and look left and right > > > running 3 wide into a turn? > > > > Well, you would want in a real WC car? > > > > > > > > > > -- > > -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> > > -- http://www.ymenard.8m.com/ > > -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimato Dominguez > > Corporation - helping America into the New World... > > > > > > > > > >Thanks for the explanation Schooner
Achim
"Schooner" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> Well the fact they can turn their head a bit is a big difference, lot
> different than the all or nothing left/right view in n2002.
>
> "Joachim Trensz" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
> news:a5bdtn$5vkn8$[email hidden]...
> > but wouldn't this restricted situational awareness be precisely whatreal
> > Nascar drivers have to deal with, caged and boxed into their metal cage,
> > with their full protection helmets, HANS devices around their necks,
> > strapped into their lowrider seats, side windows obscured by thesesafety
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> > nets, rear view (and mirror) obscured by the rollcage, etc. etc.? > > > > On a side note, does the roof view have a mirror? > > > > Achim > > > > > > "Schooner" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:wzae8.20971$[email hidden]... > > > Because you have more vision left and right and it's not boxed in like > the > > > in car view which is too cluttered and blocked. > > > > > > "Joachim Trensz" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > news:a5bbqa$5tk62$[email hidden]... > > > > Hi Schooner, > > > > > > > > I'm surprised you perceive the roof view as being more > > > > realistic - how come? :-)Has papy improved the look left/right views in NR2002 final version (demo
only here), what I mean is have they smoothed it out like some flight sims?
Like no snap to view, I never got use to it even from GPL, and all I ever
used it for is on the pace lap, too dangerous at high speed IMO. I thought I
read about this somewhere, but as I can't find the game readme or a link to
it anywhere, so I guess I'll never know until I buy the full version.
(Notice I was careful not to say "Game"), heh.
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>"David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote
> That look left/right option isn't very practical.
Well somehow, it's not possible to make it practical, unless you want it to
be unrealistic.
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>"Schooner" <[email hidden]> wrote
> Not sure what "high end" means.
A league that has been in existence since Hawaii or the NROS. They have a
long history of prestige and gentlemanship.
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>"Schooner" <[email hidden]> wrote
> Again I said sorry, your right. If you have been racing since NROS and
> Hawaii you must be right, new people are always wrong.
Yes, everybody else are just "rookies"
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Ok, I didn't realize that I was so close to the bottom of this loooong
thread an should of kept reading a little further.
Being able to pan your left/right view like the flight sims may be a cool
feature, ya know just a little like when your turning to keep your eyes on
the target. oops I'm getting a little of subject here, ah what the hell. How
about a roof mounted cannon? ala Interstate 76/82 :-)
Still don't know where to find the full version readme if anyone wants to
help.
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1907 - Daytona Beach Florida
Glenn H. Curtiss rode a V8 powered motorcycle
to a 136.30 mph record in the measured mile.
The Chicago Daily News headline reads:
"Fastest Mile On Earth, Bullets Are The Only Rivals Of Glenn Curtiss"
Ok...I normally don't say much, but there's one thing that has been bugging
me for the last couple of years about the subject of "not being able to see
cars beside them" stuff.
You don't NEED to see what or who is beside you when you're sim-racing.
There is one important feature that I believe some online drivers don't even
know about. And that is the F2/Enter for Nascar 3, or F2/Shift for N2002.
When you utilize those keys, you can see EXACTLY where the other car is. It
shows itself on the screen in the form of how many seconds, or
tenths-of-a-second that it is away from you. And if the car behind you is
anywhere in the .1 to .2 second range, HOLD YOUR LINE and don't be changing
lanes! Because they are TOO CLOSE!
It really gets to me when somebody wrecks somebody else and then comes on
chat and says "sorry...I didn't see you in my mirror!"
Ok..down off my soapbox.
Jim Tester
"Schooner" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> Never mind. You guys are right, in car is best.
> We normally can spot the in car drivers in races, their the ones blockingas
> they can't see cars beside them. I personally feel roof view is best mixof
> 2 as it provides a more realistic view and provides some side to side
> vision.
Schooner, the debate about car views can best be explained with that all the
papy Nascar & GPL (and other) are considered as simulations or simulators of
racing a car, thus the "Do you drive your car from the roof?"
Me? I prefer the cockpit in car view, there is nothing like getting sandwich
up against the wall on the backstretch err, "SuperStretch" at Daytona and
getting flipped onto your roof, sparks flying, sliding entirely down the
backstretch err, "SuperStretch" into turn 3 and having the car roll down the
banking and righting itself and driving away. Know what I mean? :-)
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Glenn H. Curtiss rode a V8 powered motorcycle
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The Chicago Daily News headline reads:
"Fastest Mile On Earth, Bullets Are The Only Rivals Of Glenn Curtiss"
"ymenard" wrote...
> ><snip>
> Well somehow, it's not possible to make it practical, unless
> you want it to be unrealistic.
What strikes me about look left/right is that when I check left or right in
my road car, the movement and glance is every bit as brutal as in the sim,
but I get disoriented less and "see" more in the real life situation than in
the sim.
Jan.
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I take back the statement about the horse blinders.You get no peripheral
advantage riding on the roof as opposed to the cockpit. I just did a little
check. So what does that say about much of this thread? :-) All the cockpit
does is cut the view off at the top (all sky) and bottom of the screen. Sets
you a bit lower, but not much. I don't see how using the roof cam can give
you an advantage, or should be considered arcadish either.
David G Fisher
"David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> That look left/right option isn't very practical. Doesn't work too well in
> any sim. The way the cockpit view is now, it's as if I'm in my own carwith
> horse blinders on. I drive the same lap times in either view anyway. Ijust
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> enjoy the experience a little more with the roof view. > > David G Fisher > > "ymenard" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:poee8.1062$[email hidden]... > > >"David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in > > > They can still move their head though. > > > > Yep and you can in NR2002, at a realistic range like the drivers. > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> > > -- http://www.ymenard.8m.com/ > > -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimato Dominguez > > Corporation - helping America into the New World... > > > > > > > >David G Fisher wrote:
Only arcadish insofar as it is not realistic. Might as well be driving
with ones thumbs on an Nintendo. :-)
--
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> > I take back the statement about the horse blinders.You get no peripheral > advantage riding on the roof as opposed to the cockpit. I just did a little > check. So what does that say about much of this thread? :-) All the cockpit > does is cut the view off at the top (all sky) and bottom of the screen. Sets > you a bit lower, but not much. I don't see how using the roof cam can give > you an advantage, or should be considered arcadish either.
shpankey wrote:
In other words, cheat! If 'they' want everyone in the cockpit you should
respect that, then it's the same for all! But you carry on cheatin' if
it make you faster. You're only cheatin' yourself though. :(
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> > Here is a direct link... > > http://www.discountdescramblers.com/sounds.zip > > Again, on the force cockpit issue, it is a non-issue if you just make all of > your views the roof view. Then all they do is force one of the roof views. >
Joachim Trensz wrote:
>
> I have respect for anyone who gives me a good race, no matter what view or
> controller or whatever else he uses different from me. We simply aren't all
> alike, not in reality, and not in the sim.
Agreed, me too.
If you built a NASCAR motion simulator with scaled cockpit to sit in and
the projected image where the windscreen is, using N2002 as the core
program, you would not project the cockpit view.
So you can't just say 'not driving in cockpit view is unrealistic' it
depends on the view you use. Hang gliding 20 feet above the car IS
unrealistic though!
> But I agree to what you're saying. Disrespecting the host's declared will
> while pretending to respect it is a sad thing to do.
Yes, if you're a kit flyer, not so much if your a roof rider or bumper
sticker. In fact I withdraw my 'cheat' accusation in regard to all but
the kit flyers. :)
Gerry
Gerry Aitken wrote:
Comment withdrawn, later post.
Gerry
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> > shpankey wrote: > > > > Here is a direct link... > > > > http://www.discountdescramblers.com/sounds.zip > > > > Again, on the force cockpit issue, it is a non-issue if you just make all of > > your views the roof view. Then all they do is force one of the roof views. > > > > In other words, cheat! If 'they' want everyone in the cockpit you should > respect that, then it's the same for all! But you carry on cheatin' if > it make you faster. You're only cheatin' yourself though. :(I have respect for anyone who gives me a good race, no matter what view or
controller or whatever else he uses different from me. We simply aren't all
alike, not in reality, and not in the sim.
But I agree to what you're saying. Disrespecting the host's declared will
while pretending to respect it is a sad thing to do.
Achim
"Gerry Aitken" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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all of
> > your views the roof view. Then all they do is force one of the roofviews.
> >
>
> In other words, cheat! If 'they' want everyone in the cockpit you should
> respect that, then it's the same for all! But you carry on cheatin' if
> it make you faster. You're only cheatin' yourself though. :(
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> > > shpankey wrote: > > > > Here is a direct link... > > > > http://www.discountdescramblers.com/sounds.zip > > > > Again, on the force cockpit issue, it is a non-issue if you just makeIn article <ivfe8.21132$[email hidden]>, "Schooner"
<[email hidden]> writes:
>Just kidding, I find it funny how some think they are better than others
>because they force the cockpit view and feel that makes them better drivers.
I haven't seen ANYONE say they were better than others just because they use
the cockpit view. Some people just prefer the cockpit view for the purist
aspect of it. Is the 'force cockpit' an option in N2002 also?
Eldred
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" I haven't seen ANYONE say they were better than others just because they
use the cockpit view." Hehe, just read up in this thread and you will see
that John Pancoast implies cockpit drivers are better:
"Dave, my league doesn't force a view :) Anyone who wants to drive from the
air can(though none do); you can always spot them, they're the ones a few
laps down :)"
and
"The problem I've always run into in the past, is roof riders actually
causing more wrecks/problems than anyone else."
and
"You're right. No big deal; bet you have a great view of getting lapped :)"
And Ymenard said:
"I was talking about the high end leagues that have started back on the NROS
or Hawaii. They about all, force the cockpit."
From that it sounds to me that they feel they are better because they use
the cockpit.
"EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> In article <ivfe8.21132$[email hidden]>, "Schooner"
> <[email hidden]> writes:
>
> >Just kidding, I find it funny how some think they are better than others
> >because they force the cockpit view and feel that makes them betterdrivers.
>
> I haven't seen ANYONE say they were better than others just because theyuse
you
> with experience...
> Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.
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> the cockpit view. Some people just prefer the cockpit view for the purist > aspect of it. Is the 'force cockpit' an option in N2002 also? > > Eldred > -- > Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 > Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett > GPLRank - under construction... > > Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats
Gerry Aitken wrote:
KITE, KITE....bloody KITE!!!!
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> > Joachim Trensz wrote: > > > > I have respect for anyone who gives me a good race, no matter what view or > > controller or whatever else he uses different from me. We simply aren't all > > alike, not in reality, and not in the sim. > > Agreed, me too. > > If you built a NASCAR motion simulator with scaled cockpit to sit in and > the projected image where the windscreen is, using N2002 as the core > program, you would not project the cockpit view. > > So you can't just say 'not driving in cockpit view is unrealistic' it > depends on the view you use. Hang gliding 20 feet above the car IS > unrealistic though! > > > But I agree to what you're saying. Disrespecting the host's declared will > > while pretending to respect it is a sad thing to do. > > Yes, if you're a kitE flyer, not so much if your a roof rider or bumper > sticker. In fact I withdraw my 'cheat' accusation in regard to all but > the kitE flyers. :) > > Gerry
Joachim Trensz wrote:
Yes,.. but in this context: if I own a simulated cockpit and the
projected view is the bumper view moved up and back and placed on the
virtual windscreen of the nascar AND I join a cockpit only server, I'm I
cheating?
Gerry
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> > Hi Gerry, > > > ...I withdraw my 'cheat' accusation in regard to all but > > the kitE flyers. :) > > I don't care what view anyone uses, but joining races under a false pretense > because you want to gain an advantage is no ok. > > Achim You're totally taking my comment out of context Schooner. If you read the
whole thing, you'd see I agreed with you. IN MY EXPERIENCE, roof drivers
cause more problems than others, period, simple as that. Not all of course,
but MOST.
If you want to post with the attitude as you stated, "Driving from the
cockpit is unrealistic", don't get uptight when others disagree.
So again, I could care less which view is used, it's a game. As long as
someone can do it safely, drive from the stands for all I care. Someone
like yourself or Dave, I'm sure can drive from the roof safely. More power
to you; it's about having fun.
However, in four years of running a league, time and time again, I've seen
roof drivers cause problems because they, as THEY admitted, can't drive
safely enough.
Next time you want to quote my on something, make sure it's right please.
-John
"Schooner" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> " I haven't seen ANYONE say they were better than others just because they
> use the cockpit view." Hehe, just read up in this thread and you will see
> that John Pancoast implies cockpit drivers are better:
>
> "Dave, my league doesn't force a view :) Anyone who wants to drive fromthe
:)"
>
>
> And Ymenard said:
> "I was talking about the high end leagues that have started back on theNROS
others
> > >because they force the cockpit view and feel that makes them better
> drivers.
> >
> > I haven't seen ANYONE say they were better than others just because they
> use
> > the cockpit view. Some people just prefer the cockpit view for thepurist
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> air can(though none do); you can always spot them, they're the ones a few > laps down :)" > > and > > "The problem I've always run into in the past, is roof riders actually > causing more wrecks/problems than anyone else." > > and > > "You're right. No big deal; bet you have a great view of getting lappedQuoted text (14 lines)
> or Hawaii. They about all, force the cockpit." > > > > From that it sounds to me that they feel they are better because they use > the cockpit. > > > "EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > In article <ivfe8.21132$[email hidden]>, "Schooner" > > <[email hidden]> writes: > > > > >Just kidding, I find it funny how some think they are better thanQuoted text (14 lines)
> > aspect of it. Is the 'force cockpit' an option in N2002 also? > > > > Eldred > > -- > > Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 > > Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett > > GPLRank - under construction... > > > > Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats > you > > with experience... > > Remove SPAM-OFF to reply. > > Nah, long as you're having fun and can do it safely, keep it up :)
-John
"John Hilsman" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> On Sun, 24 Feb 2002 13:07:40 -0700, "John Pancoast"
> <[email hidden]> wrote:
>
> > Actual cars have very little side vision too, especially after lastyear,
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> >fwiw. > > I didn't really mean it was a side vision thing, but that it just > 'feels' more correct than the N4 in-car did to me. The closest I've > ever been to racing in a Cup car is the Petty Experience at Atlanta, > and I could certainly see more and had a better situational awareness > than I get from the cockpit in N4. I don't know how much better I can > see from the roof, but it does help that awareness I feel I'm missing. > To me it's more of a simulation from the roof than the cockpit, I > don't need to see rollbars or something on the screen to get immersed. > > I really like the cockpit in 2002 - it's exactly what I remember and I > don't feel nearly as restricted, but I've gotten so used to roof cam > now that I just can't run as fast from the cockpit yet. Guess I > should be practicing instead of surfing :) > >>"Schooner" <[email hidden]> wrote
> And Ymenard said:
> "I was talking about the high end leagues that have started back on theNROS
> or Hawaii. They about all, force the cockpit."
>
> From that it sounds to me that they feel they are better because they use
> the cockpit.
You totally take my comment out of context and blatantly assume what YOU
want to read from those words. What a shame.
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Hi Gerry,
> ...I withdraw my 'cheat' accusation in regard to all but
> the kit flyers. :)
I don't care what view anyone uses, but joining races under a false pretense
because you want to gain an advantage is no ok.
Achim
Sorry for misquoting you but what I was getting at was the impression that
people that don't use the cockpit view are lesser drivers.
I have seen just as many people that use cockpit view cause wrecks as
others.
"John Pancoast" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> You're totally taking my comment out of context Schooner. If you readthe
> whole thing, you'd see I agreed with you. IN MY EXPERIENCE, roof drivers
> cause more problems than others, period, simple as that. Not all ofcourse,
power
> to you; it's about having fun.
>
> However, in four years of running a league, time and time again, I'veseen
> roof drivers cause problems because they, as THEY admitted, can't drive
> safely enough.
>
> Next time you want to quote my on something, make sure it's rightplease.
they
> > use the cockpit view." Hehe, just read up in this thread and you willsee
> > that John Pancoast implies cockpit drivers are better:
> >
> > "Dave, my league doesn't force a view :) Anyone who wants to drive from
> the
> > air can(though none do); you can always spot them, they're the ones afew
use
they
beats
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> but MOST. > > If you want to post with the attitude as you stated, "Driving from the > cockpit is unrealistic", don't get uptight when others disagree. > > So again, I could care less which view is used, it's a game. As long as > someone can do it safely, drive from the stands for all I care. Someone > like yourself or Dave, I'm sure can drive from the roof safely. MoreQuoted text (7 lines)
> > -John > > > "Schooner" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:mqve8.21361$[email hidden]... > > " I haven't seen ANYONE say they were better than others just becauseQuoted text (21 lines)
> > laps down :)" > > > > and > > > > "The problem I've always run into in the past, is roof riders actually > > causing more wrecks/problems than anyone else." > > > > and > > > > "You're right. No big deal; bet you have a great view of getting lapped > :)" > > > > > > And Ymenard said: > > "I was talking about the high end leagues that have started back on the > NROS > > or Hawaii. They about all, force the cockpit." > > > > > > > > From that it sounds to me that they feel they are better because theyQuoted text (14 lines)
> > the cockpit. > > > > > > "EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:[email hidden]... > > > In article <ivfe8.21132$[email hidden]>, "Schooner" > > > <[email hidden]> writes: > > > > > > >Just kidding, I find it funny how some think they are better than > others > > > >because they force the cockpit view and feel that makes them better > > drivers. > > > > > > I haven't seen ANYONE say they were better than others just becauseQuoted text (12 lines)
> > use > > > the cockpit view. Some people just prefer the cockpit view for the > purist > > > aspect of it. Is the 'force cockpit' an option in N2002 also? > > > > > > Eldred > > > -- > > > Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 > > > Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett > > > GPLRank - under construction... > > > > > > Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, thenQuoted text (7 lines)
> > you > > > with experience... > > > Remove SPAM-OFF to reply. > > > > > > It's no big deal Schooner; not worth arguing over for sure. Whatever
works is all that matters. Some of the best GPL drivers use a joystick :)
-John
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> > > And Ymenard said:
> > > "I was talking about the high end leagues that have started back onthe
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> Sorry for misquoting you but what I was getting at was the impression that > people that don't use the cockpit view are lesser drivers. > I have seen just as many people that use cockpit view cause wrecks as > others. > > "John Pancoast" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > You're totally taking my comment out of context Schooner. If you read > the > > whole thing, you'd see I agreed with you. IN MY EXPERIENCE, roofQuoted text (8 lines)
> > cause more problems than others, period, simple as that. Not all of > course, > > but MOST. > > > > If you want to post with the attitude as you stated, "Driving from the > > cockpit is unrealistic", don't get uptight when others disagree. > > > > So again, I could care less which view is used, it's a game. As longQuoted text (25 lines)
> > someone can do it safely, drive from the stands for all I care. Someone > > like yourself or Dave, I'm sure can drive from the roof safely. More > power > > to you; it's about having fun. > > > > However, in four years of running a league, time and time again, I've > seen > > roof drivers cause problems because they, as THEY admitted, can't drive > > safely enough. > > > > Next time you want to quote my on something, make sure it's right > please. > > > > -John > > > > > > "Schooner" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:mqve8.21361$[email hidden]... > > > " I haven't seen ANYONE say they were better than others just because > they > > > use the cockpit view." Hehe, just read up in this thread and you will > see > > > that John Pancoast implies cockpit drivers are better: > > > > > > "Dave, my league doesn't force a view :) Anyone who wants to driveQuoted text (13 lines)
> > the > > > air can(though none do); you can always spot them, they're the ones a > few > > > laps down :)" > > > > > > and > > > > > > "The problem I've always run into in the past, is roof riders actually > > > causing more wrecks/problems than anyone else." > > > > > > and > > > > > > "You're right. No big deal; bet you have a great view of gettingQuoted text (44 lines)
> > NROS > > > or Hawaii. They about all, force the cockpit." > > > > > > > > > > > > From that it sounds to me that they feel they are better because they > use > > > the cockpit. > > > > > > > > > "EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > news:[email hidden]... > > > > In article <ivfe8.21132$[email hidden]>, "Schooner" > > > > <[email hidden]> writes: > > > > > > > > >Just kidding, I find it funny how some think they are better than > > others > > > > >because they force the cockpit view and feel that makes them better > > > drivers. > > > > > > > > I haven't seen ANYONE say they were better than others just because > they > > > use > > > > the cockpit view. Some people just prefer the cockpit view for the > > purist > > > > aspect of it. Is the 'force cockpit' an option in N2002 also? > > > > > > > > Eldred > > > > -- > > > > Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 > > > > Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett > > > > GPLRank - under construction... > > > > > > > > Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then > beats > > > you > > > > with experience... > > > > Remove SPAM-OFF to reply. > > > > > > > > > > > >Yup, I'll agree with you there, use what works for you.
Using any view, control, PC, etc does not make anyone a better driver. It's
easier to do better with good equipment but it all comes down to practice
and being familiar with what you use.
It's like the guys you see on the golf course with custom clubs, fancy bags,
designer clothes that couldn't hit a ball straight if their life depended on
it.
I for one like to keep things are realistic as possible as well, I use a
decent wheel on a decent PC and run 100% online races but my preference is
still to use the roof view as I just find it gives me more of a real sim
feel than the cockpit view. Neither is right or wrong, just personal
preference.
Does not wearing a helmet or sitting in 120 degree heat make it less real?
Sure, but I doubt those that feel that the cockpit view is the only real way
to race expose them selves to such conditions, although I am sure there are
some that ever go that far in their sim setup :)
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> > > cockpit is unrealistic", don't get uptight when others disagree.
> > >
> > > So again, I could care less which view is used, it's a game. Aslong
> as
> > > someone can do it safely, drive from the stands for all I care.Someone
> > > like yourself or Dave, I'm sure can drive from the roof safely. More
> > power
> > > to you; it's about having fun.
> > >
> > > However, in four years of running a league, time and time again,I've
> > seen
> > > roof drivers cause problems because they, as THEY admitted, can'tdrive
because
> > they
> > > > use the cockpit view." Hehe, just read up in this thread and youwill
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> > > > laps down :)"
> > > >
> > > > and
> > > >
> > > > "The problem I've always run into in the past, is roof ridersactually
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> > > > drivers.
> > > > >
> > > > > I haven't seen ANYONE say they were better than others justbecause
> > they
> > > > use
> > > > > the cockpit view. Some people just prefer the cockpit view forthe
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> It's no big deal Schooner; not worth arguing over for sure. Whatever > works is all that matters. Some of the best GPL drivers use a joystick :) > > -John > > > "Schooner" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:5mxe8.21407$[email hidden]... > > Sorry for misquoting you but what I was getting at was the impressionQuoted text (7 lines)
> > people that don't use the cockpit view are lesser drivers. > > I have seen just as many people that use cockpit view cause wrecks as > > others. > > > > "John Pancoast" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:[email hidden]... > > > You're totally taking my comment out of context Schooner. If youQuoted text (8 lines)
> > the > > > whole thing, you'd see I agreed with you. IN MY EXPERIENCE, roof > drivers > > > cause more problems than others, period, simple as that. Not all of > > course, > > > but MOST. > > > > > > If you want to post with the attitude as you stated, "Driving fromQuoted text (11 lines)
> > > safely enough. > > > > > > Next time you want to quote my on something, make sure it's right > > please. > > > > > > -John > > > > > > > > > "Schooner" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > news:mqve8.21361$[email hidden]... > > > > " I haven't seen ANYONE say they were better than others justQuoted text (7 lines)
> > see > > > > that John Pancoast implies cockpit drivers are better: > > > > > > > > "Dave, my league doesn't force a view :) Anyone who wants to drive > from > > > the > > > > air can(though none do); you can always spot them, they're the onesQuoted text (18 lines)
> > > > causing more wrecks/problems than anyone else." > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > "You're right. No big deal; bet you have a great view of getting > lapped > > > :)" > > > > > > > > > > > > And Ymenard said: > > > > "I was talking about the high end leagues that have started back on > the > > > NROS > > > > or Hawaii. They about all, force the cockpit." > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From that it sounds to me that they feel they are better becauseQuoted text (12 lines)
> > use > > > > the cockpit. > > > > > > > > > > > > "EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > > news:[email hidden]... > > > > > In article <ivfe8.21132$[email hidden]>, "Schooner" > > > > > <[email hidden]> writes: > > > > > > > > > > >Just kidding, I find it funny how some think they are better than > > > others > > > > > >because they force the cockpit view and feel that makes themQuoted text (22 lines)
> > > purist > > > > > aspect of it. Is the 'force cockpit' an option in N2002 also? > > > > > > > > > > Eldred > > > > > -- > > > > > Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 > > > > > Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett > > > > > GPLRank - under construction... > > > > > > > > > > Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then > > beats > > > > you > > > > > with experience... > > > > > Remove SPAM-OFF to reply. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hey! I resemble that remark! :)
-John
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> It's like the guys you see on the golf course with custom clubs, fancybags,
> designer clothes that couldn't hit a ball straight if their life dependedon
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> it. > > > > > > >ummm... I think if you promise to drive with one arm bound to your back,
then it would be ok ;-)
Achim
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> > > Joachim Trensz wrote: > > > > Hi Gerry, > > > > > ...I withdraw my 'cheat' accusation in regard to all but > > > the kitE flyers. :) > > > > I don't care what view anyone uses, but joining races under a falseQuoted text (10 lines)
> > because you want to gain an advantage is no ok. > > > > Achim > > Yes,.. but in this context: if I own a simulated cockpit and the > projected view is the bumper view moved up and back and placed on the > virtual windscreen of the nascar AND I join a cockpit only server, I'm I > cheating? > > GerryI think Sascar also forces cockpit. I've never used the "kite" view for
anything but checking to see if my car had damage or not. I seem to recall
doing just that in a recent sascar event<G>
www.sascar.com
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> up
> > :> ) I will agree that I haven't found a league yet that won't let a
> > driver pick his own view...
> > Still I'd find someway to challenge his/her manhood and get them backIN
> > the car where everybody belongs. :)
> > dave henrie
> >
> >
>
>
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> If your looking for a league that does use the force cockpit option, check > out VRW. > > www.virtualracingworld.com > > Jay Taylor > > > > > > > > > "Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:XV7e8.16977$[email hidden]... > > > > "Schooner" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:nJ7e8.20894$[email hidden]... > > > Wha? > > > Most leagues don't force cockpit view as it is too dangerous. > > What do you mean?<asking not challenging> I can agree that when your > hood > > is smushed up to the windscreen that is very difficult to see, but other > > than that, how is driving 'incar' more dangerous than floating up above > the > > car where all the bugs get in yer teeth? > > Your Situational Awareness isn't limited because your in the car. > > However, after ranting,(which I "HAVE" to do everytime this subjectHELLO!! If you were in an actual stock car, helment on and buckled up, how
much of a view do you think you'd have? Your realistic view while driving a
stock car IS cluttered and blocked, that's why they have spotters.
realistic, pfft...make any excuse you want to, makes no difference. To me
your only driving a simulation when you simulate what the actual "real
world" driver experiences. When they come up with a way to simulate
g-forces, I'll be using that too, even if it makes me vomit! lol
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now,
> > > > nowhere do I find 'kite simulator' on the packaging.
> > > > However, kudos to the guy/guys who figured that out. Many ofyouse
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> Because you have more vision left and right and it's not boxed in like the > in car view which is too cluttered and blocked. > > "Joachim Trensz" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:a5bbqa$5tk62$[email hidden]... > > Hi Schooner, > > > > I'm surprised you perceive the roof view as being more > > realistic - how come? :-) > > > > Achim > > > > > > > > "Schooner" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:hU8e8.20927$[email hidden]... > > > Why is it wrong to use the roof view? It's a more realistic feel inQuoted text (14 lines)
> > > opinion. > > > No view is "WRONG", it's whatever works best for the driver. > > > > > > "Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > news:__7e8.17003$[email hidden]... > > > > > > > > "MadDAWG" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > > news:[email hidden]... > > > > > http://www.discountdescramblers.com/nascar.html > > > > > > > > > > MadDAWG > > > > All you've proven MD, besides having the wrong link hehe, is how > > 'WRONG' > > > > it is to be floating up above your car. I'm looking at the boxQuoted text (13 lines)
> > will > > > > be happier. > > > > dave henrie > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Yes I agree but even the ability to shift your eyes in a real car makes a
big difference in the field of view. It only takes turning your head a few
degrees to get the extra view to know when someone is near. I'm not
looking for a completely uncluttered view, my point is that the field of
vision is not 100% realistic, just as the roof or kite views are not either.
Each offers a different view of the real world.
I'm not trying to make any excuses, I'm just stating an opinion and
explaining why I seem one view as being as good and providing as much
realism as another. Each driver should choose their own best view, much the
same way as real drivers choose what items are in their cockpit (yes I know
much of it is dictated by rules) that might block their vision. Some use
large right side head rests, others don't like them. Tony Stewart for
example resisted using the HANS or similar device because it limited head
movement. DE wouldn't use a full face helmet because it limited his vision
and sense of the car. Was he any less realistic for doing this if everyone
else had a full face helmet? No, it's driver preference.
Because we do not get to feel the car like would happen in a real car, we
must adapt to views, sounds, force feedback, etc to make up for this. Each
driver will find something different works for them in doing this. Just
because the cockpit view looks real doesn't mean it conveys the same sense
of reality to all drivers. I personally think it distracts you from the
action on the track in front of you, but again that is my personal view on
it. To me the roof view gives me the level of realism that I would expect.
"Jeff Eiland" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> HELLO!! If you were in an actual stock car, helment on and buckled up, how
> much of a view do you think you'd have? Your realistic view while drivinga
the
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> stock car IS cluttered and blocked, that's why they have spotters. > realistic, pfft...make any excuse you want to, makes no difference. To me > your only driving a simulation when you simulate what the actual "real > world" driver experiences. When they come up with a way to simulate > g-forces, I'll be using that too, even if it makes me vomit! lol > > > > "Schooner" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:wzae8.20971$[email hidden]... > > Because you have more vision left and right and it's not boxed in likeQuoted text (51 lines)
> > in car view which is too cluttered and blocked. > > > > "Joachim Trensz" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:a5bbqa$5tk62$[email hidden]... > > > Hi Schooner, > > > > > > I'm surprised you perceive the roof view as being more > > > realistic - how come? :-) > > > > > > Achim > > > > > > > > > > > > "Schooner" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > news:hU8e8.20927$[email hidden]... > > > > Why is it wrong to use the roof view? It's a more realistic feel in > my > > > > opinion. > > > > No view is "WRONG", it's whatever works best for the driver. > > > > > > > > "Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > > news:__7e8.17003$[email hidden]... > > > > > > > > > > "MadDAWG" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > > > news:[email hidden]... > > > > > > http://www.discountdescramblers.com/nascar.html > > > > > > > > > > > > MadDAWG > > > > > All you've proven MD, besides having the wrong link hehe, is how > > > 'WRONG' > > > > > it is to be floating up above your car. I'm looking at the box > now, > > > > > nowhere do I find 'kite simulator' on the packaging. > > > > > However, kudos to the guy/guys who figured that out. Many of > youse > > > will > > > > > be happier. > > > > > dave henrie > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Schooner;
Being a DE fan for twenty years have to correct you here.
He wore an open faced mainly because he thought the "jaw" part of a
full-faced caused more injuried then solved. I.e. he thought it acted like
a pivot point when a drivers head went down.
He stated this on numerous occasions.
Had nothing to do with vision, etc. There was a thought from the _media_
that it allowed him to feel the air pressure, especially at SS.........which
he laughed at :)
-John
"Schooner" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> Yes I agree but even the ability to shift your eyes in a real car makes a
> big difference in the field of view. It only takes turning your head afew
> degrees to get the extra view to know when someone is near. I'm not
> looking for a completely uncluttered view, my point is that the field of
> vision is not 100% realistic, just as the roof or kite views are noteither.
> Each offers a different view of the real world.
>
> I'm not trying to make any excuses, I'm just stating an opinion and
> explaining why I seem one view as being as good and providing as much
> realism as another. Each driver should choose their own best view, muchthe
> same way as real drivers choose what items are in their cockpit (yes Iknow
> much of it is dictated by rules) that might block their vision. Some use
> large right side head rests, others don't like them. Tony Stewart for
> example resisted using the HANS or similar device because it limited head
> movement. DE wouldn't use a full face helmet because it limited hisvision
> and sense of the car. Was he any less realistic for doing this ifeveryone
> else had a full face helmet? No, it's driver preference.
>
> Because we do not get to feel the car like would happen in a real car, we
> must adapt to views, sounds, force feedback, etc to make up for this.Each
> driver will find something different works for them in doing this. Just
> because the cockpit view looks real doesn't mean it conveys the same sense
> of reality to all drivers. I personally think it distracts you from the
> action on the track in front of you, but again that is my personal view on
> it. To me the roof view gives me the level of realism that I wouldexpect.
>
> "Jeff Eiland" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
> news:VGze8.46155$[email hidden]...
> > HELLO!! If you were in an actual stock car, helment on and buckled up,how
> > much of a view do you think you'd have? Your realistic view whiledriving
> a
> > stock car IS cluttered and blocked, that's why they have spotters.
> > realistic, pfft...make any excuse you want to, makes no difference. Tome
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> > your only driving a simulation when you simulate what the actual "real > > world" driver experiences. When they come up with a way to simulate > > g-forces, I'll be using that too, even if it makes me vomit! lol > > > > > > > > "Schooner" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:wzae8.20971$[email hidden]... > > > Because you have more vision left and right and it's not boxed in like > the > > > in car view which is too cluttered and blocked. > > > > > > "Joachim Trensz" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > news:a5bbqa$5tk62$[email hidden]... > > > > Hi Schooner, > > > > > > > > I'm surprised you perceive the roof view as being more > > > > realistic - how come? :-) > > > > > > > > Achim > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Schooner" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > > news:hU8e8.20927$[email hidden]... > > > > > Why is it wrong to use the roof view? It's a more realistic feelQuoted text (13 lines)
> > my > > > > > opinion. > > > > > No view is "WRONG", it's whatever works best for the driver. > > > > > > > > > > "Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > > > news:__7e8.17003$[email hidden]... > > > > > > > > > > > > "MadDAWG" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > > > > news:[email hidden]... > > > > > > > http://www.discountdescramblers.com/nascar.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > MadDAWG > > > > > > All you've proven MD, besides having the wrong link hehe, isQuoted text (24 lines)
> > > > 'WRONG' > > > > > > it is to be floating up above your car. I'm looking at the box > > now, > > > > > > nowhere do I find 'kite simulator' on the packaging. > > > > > > However, kudos to the guy/guys who figured that out. Many of > > youse > > > > will > > > > > > be happier. > > > > > > dave henrie > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >There are many stories as to why he didn't wear it, some truth to all of
them I think.
He told Jr to wear it cause it gave better vision and many others have
complained about vision with the full face ones.
"John Pancoast" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> Schooner;
> Being a DE fan for twenty years have to correct you here.
>
> He wore an open faced mainly because he thought the "jaw" part of a
> full-faced caused more injuried then solved. I.e. he thought it actedlike
> a pivot point when a drivers head went down.
> He stated this on numerous occasions.
>
> Had nothing to do with vision, etc. There was a thought from the_media_
> that it allowed him to feel the air pressure, especially atSS.........which
a
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> > large right side head rests, others don't like them. Tony Stewart for
> > example resisted using the HANS or similar device because it limitedhead
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> > driver will find something different works for them in doing this. Just
> > because the cockpit view looks real doesn't mean it conveys the samesense
> > of reality to all drivers. I personally think it distracts you from the
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> he laughed at :) > > -John > > > "Schooner" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:D2Ae8.21493$[email hidden]... > > Yes I agree but even the ability to shift your eyes in a real car makesQuoted text (15 lines)
> > big difference in the field of view. It only takes turning your head a > few > > degrees to get the extra view to know when someone is near. I'm not > > looking for a completely uncluttered view, my point is that the field of > > vision is not 100% realistic, just as the roof or kite views are not > either. > > Each offers a different view of the real world. > > > > I'm not trying to make any excuses, I'm just stating an opinion and > > explaining why I seem one view as being as good and providing as much > > realism as another. Each driver should choose their own best view, much > the > > same way as real drivers choose what items are in their cockpit (yes I > know > > much of it is dictated by rules) that might block their vision. SomeQuoted text (7 lines)
> > movement. DE wouldn't use a full face helmet because it limited his > vision > > and sense of the car. Was he any less realistic for doing this if > everyone > > else had a full face helmet? No, it's driver preference. > > > > Because we do not get to feel the car like would happen in a real car,Quoted text (12 lines)
> > it. To me the roof view gives me the level of realism that I would > expect. > > > > "Jeff Eiland" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:VGze8.46155$[email hidden]... > > > HELLO!! If you were in an actual stock car, helment on and buckled up, > how > > > much of a view do you think you'd have? Your realistic view while > driving > > a > > > stock car IS cluttered and blocked, that's why they have spotters. > > > realistic, pfft...make any excuse you want to, makes no difference.Quoted text (10 lines)
> me > > > your only driving a simulation when you simulate what the actual "real > > > world" driver experiences. When they come up with a way to simulate > > > g-forces, I'll be using that too, even if it makes me vomit! lol > > > > > > > > > > > > "Schooner" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > news:wzae8.20971$[email hidden]... > > > > Because you have more vision left and right and it's not boxed inQuoted text (17 lines)
> > the > > > > in car view which is too cluttered and blocked. > > > > > > > > "Joachim Trensz" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > > news:a5bbqa$5tk62$[email hidden]... > > > > > Hi Schooner, > > > > > > > > > > I'm surprised you perceive the roof view as being more > > > > > realistic - how come? :-) > > > > > > > > > > Achim > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Schooner" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > > > news:hU8e8.20927$[email hidden]... > > > > > > Why is it wrong to use the roof view? It's a more realisticQuoted text (17 lines)
> in > > > my > > > > > > opinion. > > > > > > No view is "WRONG", it's whatever works best for the driver. > > > > > > > > > > > > "Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > > > > news:__7e8.17003$[email hidden]... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "MadDAWG" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > > > > > news:[email hidden]... > > > > > > > > http://www.discountdescramblers.com/nascar.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > MadDAWG > > > > > > > All you've proven MD, besides having the wrong link hehe, is > how > > > > > 'WRONG' > > > > > > > it is to be floating up above your car. I'm looking at theQuoted text (21 lines)
> > > youse > > > > > will > > > > > > > be happier. > > > > > > > dave henrie > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >How do you do that?
David G Fisher
"shpankey" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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blocking
> as
> > they can't see cars beside them. I personally feel roof view is bestmix
Dominguez
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> Here ya go... > > http://www.discountdescramblers.com/sounds.zip > > And btw... forcing cockpit does NOT force the cockpit for me, as I've made > all of my views "roof" view, so that BS doesn't work anyhow. > > MWAHAHAHA > > Roof view forever!!! > > :) > > > "Schooner" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:OS8e8.20926$[email hidden]... > > Never mind. You guys are right, in car is best. > > We normally can spot the in car drivers in races, their the onesQuoted text (68 lines)
> of > > 2 as it provides a more realistic view and provides some side to side > > vision. I too do not like the full car view but in car is too limited. > > > > "John Pancoast" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:[email hidden]... > > > Huh? Dangerous? > > > > > > -John > > > > > > > > > "Schooner" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > news:nJ7e8.20894$[email hidden]... > > > > Wha? > > > > Most leagues don't force cockpit view as it is too dangerous. > > > > > > > > "Biz" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > > news:eF7e8.10987$[email hidden]... > > > > > I hope you find nothing but forced cockpit view races > online......... > > > > > -- > > > > > Biz > > > > > > > > > > "Don't touch that please, your primitive intellect wouldn't > understand > > > > > alloys and compositions and,......things with molecular > > > structures,....and > > > > > the....." - Ash > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Schooner <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > > news:lR4e8.20818$[email hidden]... > > > > > > Ok, whatever, I am just curious if anyone managed to change how > they > > > > work so > > > > > > the in car sounds can be duplicated in other views. > > > > > > > > > > > > "ymenard" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > > > > news:7J4e8.64688$[email hidden]... > > > > > > > >"Schooner" <[email hidden]> wrote > > > > > > > > Well I thought that someone might have done it is all. I > think > > it > > > > uses > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > same format dat files as N$ so extraction should be much > easier. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It's not about using different sounds. Whatever view uses the > > same > > > > sound, > > > > > > > they are just processed and filtered differently. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Don't assume that since it has only been out a few days that > it > > > > hasn't > > > > > > > been done. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Does.Not.Compute. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> > > > > > > > -- http://www.ymenard.8m.com/ > > > > > > > -- This announcement is brought to you by the ShimatoQuoted text (16 lines)
> > > > > > > Corporation - helping America into the New World... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >shameless plug <vbg>
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"Jay Taylor" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:bvbe8.24331$[email hidden]...
If your looking for a league that does use the force cockpit option, check
out VRW.
www.virtualracingworld.com
Jay Taylor
"Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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>
> "Schooner" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
> news:nJ7e8.20894$[email hidden]...
> > Wha?
> > Most leagues don't force cockpit view as it is too dangerous.
> What do you mean?<asking not challenging> I can agree that when your
hood
> is smushed up to the windscreen that is very difficult to see, but other
> than that, how is driving 'incar' more dangerous than floating up above
the
> car where all the bugs get in yer teeth?
> Your Situational Awareness isn't limited because your in the car.
> However, after ranting,(which I "HAVE" to do everytime this subject comes
up
> :> ) I will agree that I haven't found a league yet that won't let a
> driver pick his own view...
> Still I'd find someway to challenge his/her manhood and get them back IN
> the car where everybody belongs. :)
> dave henrie
>
>
Hmmm,
Didn't know forced cockpit was in N3, or N2....
OSCAR don't and I don't think anyone else has 700+ members
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Tim White
INTRAC Motorsports
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"ymenard" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:sqee8.1064$[email hidden]...
Stop writing non-sense. In fact, MOST *real* leagues that have been on
earth more then a couple of seasons force the cockpit. You know, the big
leagues.
Abosultely not true. What your seeing is gamers who dont want to take the time to learn how to race. For them, seeing all the peripherals is just as important as the actual racing. It has never been the norm to think arcade view is more dangerous, only a purists preference.
--
Tim White
INTRAC Motorsports
www.birds-i-view.com/intrac
"John Pancoast" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...
The problem I've always run into in the past, is roof riders actually
causing more wrecks/problems than anyone else.
Being a driver who uses the arcade view, I have found that I can drive in car better than incar drivers can jump outside the car. imo that tells me driving outside the car teaches you more.
For me, I run in arcade, and I dont get lapped on long runs too often. I have given setups to some very good incar drivers and, to a man, they all say the car is too loose. Thats primarily the reason I drive outside the car.
Other than to block <vbg>
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Tim White
INTRAC Motorsports
www.birds-i-view.com/intrac
"Jay Taylor" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:9Kbe8.24332$[email hidden]...
For me, I've always been able to "feel" what the car is doing much better,
from the incar view. There are alot of visual que's as to whats going on
with the car that you learn to notice from the cockpit. It seems that
people who complain about the incar view, would rather make excuses then
take the time to get use to it. It does take some time learn the
situational awareness you need from the cockpit. but it is very possible.
Most if not all of the top guys I've raced with online use the cockpit view
and have no trouble running door to door.
Jay Taylor
In your Nascar/series/cup directory, you make three views (all roof) naming
them "make_a.cam" "make_b.cam" "make_b.cam" respectively.
Now, whenever someone tries to force that stupid "cockpit" (yeah right) view
on you, they only force another roof view. Heh. :)
"David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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made
limited.
how
the
that
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> How do you do that? > > David G Fisher > > "shpankey" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:L6de8.8496$[email hidden]... > > Here ya go... > > > > http://www.discountdescramblers.com/sounds.zip > > > > And btw... forcing cockpit does NOT force the cockpit for me, as I'veQuoted text (20 lines)
> > all of my views "roof" view, so that BS doesn't work anyhow. > > > > MWAHAHAHA > > > > Roof view forever!!! > > > > :) > > > > > > "Schooner" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:OS8e8.20926$[email hidden]... > > > Never mind. You guys are right, in car is best. > > > We normally can spot the in car drivers in races, their the ones > blocking > > as > > > they can't see cars beside them. I personally feel roof view is best > mix > > of > > > 2 as it provides a more realistic view and provides some side to side > > > vision. I too do not like the full car view but in car is tooQuoted text (30 lines)
> > > > > > "John Pancoast" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > news:[email hidden]... > > > > Huh? Dangerous? > > > > > > > > -John > > > > > > > > > > > > "Schooner" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > > news:nJ7e8.20894$[email hidden]... > > > > > Wha? > > > > > Most leagues don't force cockpit view as it is too dangerous. > > > > > > > > > > "Biz" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > > > news:eF7e8.10987$[email hidden]... > > > > > > I hope you find nothing but forced cockpit view races > > online......... > > > > > > -- > > > > > > Biz > > > > > > > > > > > > "Don't touch that please, your primitive intellect wouldn't > > understand > > > > > > alloys and compositions and,......things with molecular > > > > structures,....and > > > > > > the....." - Ash > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Schooner <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > > > news:lR4e8.20818$[email hidden]... > > > > > > > Ok, whatever, I am just curious if anyone managed to changeQuoted text (16 lines)
> > they > > > > > work so > > > > > > > the in car sounds can be duplicated in other views. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "ymenard" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > > > > > news:7J4e8.64688$[email hidden]... > > > > > > > > >"Schooner" <[email hidden]> wrote > > > > > > > > > Well I thought that someone might have done it is all. I > > think > > > it > > > > > uses > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > same format dat files as N$ so extraction should be much > > easier. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It's not about using different sounds. Whatever view usesQuoted text (7 lines)
> > > same > > > > > sound, > > > > > > > > they are just processed and filtered differently. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Don't assume that since it has only been out a few daysQuoted text (31 lines)
> > it > > > > > hasn't > > > > > > > > been done. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Does.Not.Compute. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> > > > > > > > > -- http://www.ymenard.8m.com/ > > > > > > > > -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimato > Dominguez > > > > > > > > Corporation - helping America into the New World... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >I really don't care what view the server *wants* me to drive in. :) Never
will. Never will care what anyone think of me driving in roof view, IMO,
it's by far the most realistic and that's what I'm going for... call it
cheating or whathaveyou, I'm an apathetic person by nature, so excuse my
indifference if it bothers you, but it won't bother me if it does anyhow. :)
I just don't care.
"Gerry Aitken" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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all of
> > your views the roof view. Then all they do is force one of the roofviews.
> >
>
> In other words, cheat! If 'they' want everyone in the cockpit you should
> respect that, then it's the same for all! But you carry on cheatin' if
> it make you faster. You're only cheatin' yourself though. :(
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> > > shpankey wrote: > > > > Here is a direct link... > > > > http://www.discountdescramblers.com/sounds.zip > > > > Again, on the force cockpit issue, it is a non-issue if you just makeSchooner wrote:
>
> Sorry for misquoting you but what I was getting at was the impression that
> people that don't use the cockpit view are lesser drivers.
Complete baloney. What they are talking about is what they've seen
*with their own eyes* in their experience. You're trying to make
something totally different out of it.
--
Fester
"Is it that we need a nobrainer Linux desktop OS for people with no
brains or should people do a little more reading and smarten up?"
from alt.linux.mandrake NG
Probably so. Just quoting from past issues of Winston Cup Scene.
-John
"Schooner" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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makes
> a
> > > big difference in the field of view. It only takes turning your heada
> > few
> > > degrees to get the extra view to know when someone is near. I'm not
> > > looking for a completely uncluttered view, my point is that the fieldof
much
Just
> > > because the cockpit view looks real doesn't mean it conveys the same
> sense
> > > of reality to all drivers. I personally think it distracts you fromthe
> > > action on the track in front of you, but again that is my personalview
up,
"real
is
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> There are many stories as to why he didn't wear it, some truth to all of > them I think. > He told Jr to wear it cause it gave better vision and many others have > complained about vision with the full face ones. > > > "John Pancoast" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > Schooner; > > Being a DE fan for twenty years have to correct you here. > > > > He wore an open faced mainly because he thought the "jaw" part of a > > full-faced caused more injuried then solved. I.e. he thought it acted > like > > a pivot point when a drivers head went down. > > He stated this on numerous occasions. > > > > Had nothing to do with vision, etc. There was a thought from the > _media_ > > that it allowed him to feel the air pressure, especially at > SS.........which > > he laughed at :) > > > > -John > > > > > > "Schooner" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:D2Ae8.21493$[email hidden]... > > > Yes I agree but even the ability to shift your eyes in a real carQuoted text (7 lines)
> > > vision is not 100% realistic, just as the roof or kite views are not > > either. > > > Each offers a different view of the real world. > > > > > > I'm not trying to make any excuses, I'm just stating an opinion and > > > explaining why I seem one view as being as good and providing as much > > > realism as another. Each driver should choose their own best view,Quoted text (19 lines)
> > the > > > same way as real drivers choose what items are in their cockpit (yes I > > know > > > much of it is dictated by rules) that might block their vision. Some > use > > > large right side head rests, others don't like them. Tony Stewart for > > > example resisted using the HANS or similar device because it limited > head > > > movement. DE wouldn't use a full face helmet because it limited his > > vision > > > and sense of the car. Was he any less realistic for doing this if > > everyone > > > else had a full face helmet? No, it's driver preference. > > > > > > Because we do not get to feel the car like would happen in a real car, > we > > > must adapt to views, sounds, force feedback, etc to make up for this. > > Each > > > driver will find something different works for them in doing this.Quoted text (7 lines)
> on > > > it. To me the roof view gives me the level of realism that I would > > expect. > > > > > > "Jeff Eiland" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > news:VGze8.46155$[email hidden]... > > > > HELLO!! If you were in an actual stock car, helment on and buckledQuoted text (9 lines)
> > how > > > > much of a view do you think you'd have? Your realistic view while > > driving > > > a > > > > stock car IS cluttered and blocked, that's why they have spotters. > > > > realistic, pfft...make any excuse you want to, makes no difference. > To > > me > > > > your only driving a simulation when you simulate what the actualQuoted text (41 lines)
> > > > world" driver experiences. When they come up with a way to simulate > > > > g-forces, I'll be using that too, even if it makes me vomit! lol > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Schooner" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > > news:wzae8.20971$[email hidden]... > > > > > Because you have more vision left and right and it's not boxed in > like > > > the > > > > > in car view which is too cluttered and blocked. > > > > > > > > > > "Joachim Trensz" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > > > news:a5bbqa$5tk62$[email hidden]... > > > > > > Hi Schooner, > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm surprised you perceive the roof view as being more > > > > > > realistic - how come? :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > Achim > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Schooner" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > > > > news:hU8e8.20927$[email hidden]... > > > > > > > Why is it wrong to use the roof view? It's a more realistic > feel > > in > > > > my > > > > > > > opinion. > > > > > > > No view is "WRONG", it's whatever works best for the driver. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > > > > > news:__7e8.17003$[email hidden]... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "MadDAWG" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > > > > > > news:[email hidden]... > > > > > > > > > http://www.discountdescramblers.com/nascar.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > MadDAWG > > > > > > > > All you've proven MD, besides having the wrong link hehe,Quoted text (31 lines)
> > how > > > > > > 'WRONG' > > > > > > > > it is to be floating up above your car. I'm looking at the > box > > > > now, > > > > > > > > nowhere do I find 'kite simulator' on the packaging. > > > > > > > > However, kudos to the guy/guys who figured that out. Many > of > > > > youse > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > be happier. > > > > > > > > dave henrie > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Not in my experience Tim. Glad it's not so in yours. And I'm far from
being a purist, thanks. p.s. drop the html format please :)
-John
"Tim" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:gpCe8.62832$[email hidden]...
Abosultely not true. What your seeing is gamers who dont want to take the
time to learn how to race. For them, seeing all the peripherals is just as
important as the actual racing. It has never been the norm to think arcade
view is more dangerous, only a purists preference.
--
Tim White
INTRAC Motorsports
www.birds-i-view.com/intrac
"John Pancoast" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...
The problem I've always run into in the past, is roof riders actually
causing more wrecks/problems than anyone else.
There was one for N4 that was really quite good too.
-John
"David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:M8Ce8.67963$[email hidden]...
made
limited.
how
the
that
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> How do you do that? > > David G Fisher > > "shpankey" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:L6de8.8496$[email hidden]... > > Here ya go... > > > > http://www.discountdescramblers.com/sounds.zip > > > > And btw... forcing cockpit does NOT force the cockpit for me, as I'veQuoted text (20 lines)
> > all of my views "roof" view, so that BS doesn't work anyhow. > > > > MWAHAHAHA > > > > Roof view forever!!! > > > > :) > > > > > > "Schooner" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:OS8e8.20926$[email hidden]... > > > Never mind. You guys are right, in car is best. > > > We normally can spot the in car drivers in races, their the ones > blocking > > as > > > they can't see cars beside them. I personally feel roof view is best > mix > > of > > > 2 as it provides a more realistic view and provides some side to side > > > vision. I too do not like the full car view but in car is tooQuoted text (30 lines)
> > > > > > "John Pancoast" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > news:[email hidden]... > > > > Huh? Dangerous? > > > > > > > > -John > > > > > > > > > > > > "Schooner" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > > news:nJ7e8.20894$[email hidden]... > > > > > Wha? > > > > > Most leagues don't force cockpit view as it is too dangerous. > > > > > > > > > > "Biz" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > > > news:eF7e8.10987$[email hidden]... > > > > > > I hope you find nothing but forced cockpit view races > > online......... > > > > > > -- > > > > > > Biz > > > > > > > > > > > > "Don't touch that please, your primitive intellect wouldn't > > understand > > > > > > alloys and compositions and,......things with molecular > > > > structures,....and > > > > > > the....." - Ash > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Schooner <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > > > news:lR4e8.20818$[email hidden]... > > > > > > > Ok, whatever, I am just curious if anyone managed to changeQuoted text (16 lines)
> > they > > > > > work so > > > > > > > the in car sounds can be duplicated in other views. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "ymenard" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > > > > > news:7J4e8.64688$[email hidden]... > > > > > > > > >"Schooner" <[email hidden]> wrote > > > > > > > > > Well I thought that someone might have done it is all. I > > think > > > it > > > > > uses > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > same format dat files as N$ so extraction should be much > > easier. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It's not about using different sounds. Whatever view usesQuoted text (7 lines)
> > > same > > > > > sound, > > > > > > > > they are just processed and filtered differently. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Don't assume that since it has only been out a few daysQuoted text (31 lines)
> > it > > > > > hasn't > > > > > > > > been done. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Does.Not.Compute. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> > > > > > > > > -- http://www.ymenard.8m.com/ > > > > > > > > -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimato > Dominguez > > > > > > > > Corporation - helping America into the New World... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Forgot to add; if I was a purist, I would force cockpit view in my league.
As I stated earlier, I don't. Even though most I've seen haven't been safe
with a roof view, if someone wants to use it, they're given the chance.
But I guess that part of my post was overlooked :)
-John
"Tim" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:gpCe8.62832$[email hidden]...
Abosultely not true. What your seeing is gamers who dont want to take the
time to learn how to race. For them, seeing all the peripherals is just as
important as the actual racing. It has never been the norm to think arcade
view is more dangerous, only a purists preference.
--
Tim White
INTRAC Motorsports
www.birds-i-view.com/intrac
"John Pancoast" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...
The problem I've always run into in the past, is roof riders actually
causing more wrecks/problems than anyone else.
If a server/league is forcing cockpit view, but you have hacked the camera view to get what you want
to see that is outright cheating, plain and simple...
--
Biz
"Don't touch that please, your primitive intellect wouldn't understand
alloys and compositions and,......things with molecular structures,....and
the....." - Ash
shpankey <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:_5De8.11854$[email hidden]...
> In your Nascar/series/cup directory, you make three views (all roof) naming
> them "make_a.cam" "make_b.cam" "make_b.cam" respectively.
>
> Now, whenever someone tries to force that stupid "cockpit" (yeah right) view
> on you, they only force another roof view. Heh. :)
>
>
> "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
> news:M8Ce8.67963$[email hidden]...
> > How do you do that?
> >
> > David G Fisher
> >
> > "shpankey" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
> > news:L6de8.8496$[email hidden]...
> > > Here ya go...
> > >
> > > http://www.discountdescramblers.com/sounds.zip
> > >
> > > And btw... forcing cockpit does NOT force the cockpit for me, as I've
> made
> > > all of my views "roof" view, so that BS doesn't work anyhow.
> > >
> > > MWAHAHAHA
> > >
> > > Roof view forever!!!
> > >
> > > :)
> > >
> > >
> > > "Schooner" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
> > > news:OS8e8.20926$[email hidden]...
> > > > Never mind. You guys are right, in car is best.
> > > > We normally can spot the in car drivers in races, their the ones
> > blocking
> > > as
> > > > they can't see cars beside them. I personally feel roof view is best
> > mix
> > > of
> > > > 2 as it provides a more realistic view and provides some side to side
> > > > vision. I too do not like the full car view but in car is too
> limited.
> > > >
> > > > "John Pancoast" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
> > > > news:[email hidden]...
> > > > > Huh? Dangerous?
> > > > >
> > > > > -John
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > "Schooner" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
> > > > > news:nJ7e8.20894$[email hidden]...
> > > > > > Wha?
> > > > > > Most leagues don't force cockpit view as it is too dangerous.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > "Biz" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
> > > > > > news:eF7e8.10987$[email hidden]...
> > > > > > > I hope you find nothing but forced cockpit view races
> > > online.........
> > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > Biz
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > "Don't touch that please, your primitive intellect wouldn't
> > > understand
> > > > > > > alloys and compositions and,......things with molecular
> > > > > structures,....and
> > > > > > > the....." - Ash
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Schooner <[email hidden]> wrote in message
> > > > > > news:lR4e8.20818$[email hidden]...
> > > > > > > > Ok, whatever, I am just curious if anyone managed to change
> how
> > > they
> > > > > > work so
> > > > > > > > the in car sounds can be duplicated in other views.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > "ymenard" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
> > > > > > > > news:7J4e8.64688$[email hidden]...
> > > > > > > > > >"Schooner" <[email hidden]> wrote
> > > > > > > > > > Well I thought that someone might have done it is all. I
> > > think
> > > > it
> > > > > > uses
> > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > same format dat files as N$ so extraction should be much
> > > easier.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > It's not about using different sounds. Whatever view uses
> the
> > > > same
> > > > > > sound,
> > > > > > > > > they are just processed and filtered differently.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Don't assume that since it has only been out a few days
> that
> > > it
> > > > > > hasn't
> > > > > > > > > been done.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Does.Not.Compute.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > > > -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard>
> > > > > > > > > -- http://www.ymenard.8m.com/
> > > > > > > > > -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimato
> > Dominguez
> > > > > > > > > Corporation - helping America into the New World...
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
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> > > >
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> > >
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>
B4 N4 you couldn't force it in software, but many leagues required you to use that in-car view and
depends on gentlemens honesty to follow the league rules. Many also did not allow joysticks.
--
Biz
"Don't touch that please, your primitive intellect wouldn't understand
alloys and compositions and,......things with molecular structures,....and
the....." - Ash
Tim <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:%jCe8.62819$[email hidden]...
Hmmm,
Didn't know forced cockpit was in N3, or N2....
OSCAR don't and I don't think anyone else has 700+ members
--
Tim White
INTRAC Motorsports
www.birds-i-view.com/intrac
"ymenard" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:sqee8.1064$[email hidden]...
Stop writing non-sense. In fact, MOST *real* leagues that have been on
earth more then a couple of seasons force the cockpit. You know, the big
leagues.
Biz wrote:
>
> If a server/league is forcing cockpit view, but you have hacked the camera view to get what you want
> to see that is outright cheating, plain and simple...
Yep, he helps give that whole group a bad name.
--
Fester
"Is it that we need a nobrainer Linux desktop OS for people with no
brains or should people do a little more reading and smarten up?"
from alt.linux.mandrake NG
I really don't care. I WILL play the game the way *I* want. If it's so
called "cheating" to make that happen, then so be it. I might add also, in
first person shooters, I hack my FOV to 120 instead of the normal 90. They
call it cheating over there, and I still don't care.
:)
"Biz" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:3LNe8.160$[email hidden]...
> If a server/league is forcing cockpit view, but you have hacked the cameraview to get what you want
news:_5De8.11854$[email hidden]...
> > In your Nascar/series/cup directory, you make three views (all roof)naming
> > them "make_a.cam" "make_b.cam" "make_b.cam" respectively.
> >
> > Now, whenever someone tries to force that stupid "cockpit" (yeah right)view
I've
best
> > > mix
> > > > of
> > > > > 2 as it provides a more realistic view and provides some side toside
news:eF7e8.10987$[email hidden]...
change
I
> > > > think
> > > > > it
> > > > > > > uses
> > > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > same format dat files as N$ so extraction should bemuch
> > > > easier.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > It's not about using different sounds. Whatever viewuses
days
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> to see that is outright cheating, plain and simple... > -- > Biz > > "Don't touch that please, your primitive intellect wouldn't understand > alloys and compositions and,......things with molecular structures,....and > the....." - Ash > > > shpankey <[email hidden]> wrote in messageQuoted text (16 lines)
> > on you, they only force another roof view. Heh. :) > > > > > > "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:M8Ce8.67963$[email hidden]... > > > How do you do that? > > > > > > David G Fisher > > > > > > "shpankey" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > news:L6de8.8496$[email hidden]... > > > > Here ya go... > > > > > > > > http://www.discountdescramblers.com/sounds.zip > > > > > > > > And btw... forcing cockpit does NOT force the cockpit for me, asQuoted text (17 lines)
> > made > > > > all of my views "roof" view, so that BS doesn't work anyhow. > > > > > > > > MWAHAHAHA > > > > > > > > Roof view forever!!! > > > > > > > > :) > > > > > > > > > > > > "Schooner" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > > news:OS8e8.20926$[email hidden]... > > > > > Never mind. You guys are right, in car is best. > > > > > We normally can spot the in car drivers in races, their the ones > > > blocking > > > > as > > > > > they can't see cars beside them. I personally feel roof view isQuoted text (17 lines)
> > > > > vision. I too do not like the full car view but in car is too > > limited. > > > > > > > > > > "John Pancoast" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > > > news:[email hidden]... > > > > > > Huh? Dangerous? > > > > > > > > > > > > -John > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Schooner" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > > > > news:nJ7e8.20894$[email hidden]... > > > > > > > Wha? > > > > > > > Most leagues don't force cockpit view as it is too dangerous. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Biz" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > > > > >Quoted text (15 lines)
> > > > > > > > I hope you find nothing but forced cockpit view races > > > > online......... > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > Biz > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Don't touch that please, your primitive intellect wouldn't > > > > understand > > > > > > > > alloys and compositions and,......things with molecular > > > > > > structures,....and > > > > > > > > the....." - Ash > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Schooner <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > > > > > news:lR4e8.20818$[email hidden]... > > > > > > > > > Ok, whatever, I am just curious if anyone managed toQuoted text (9 lines)
> > how > > > > they > > > > > > > work so > > > > > > > > > the in car sounds can be duplicated in other views. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "ymenard" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > > > > > > > news:7J4e8.64688$[email hidden]... > > > > > > > > > > >"Schooner" <[email hidden]> wrote > > > > > > > > > > > Well I thought that someone might have done it is all.Quoted text (8 lines)
> > the > > > > > same > > > > > > > sound, > > > > > > > > > > they are just processed and filtered differently. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Don't assume that since it has only been out a fewQuoted text (36 lines)
> > that > > > > it > > > > > > > hasn't > > > > > > > > > > been done. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Does.Not.Compute. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> > > > > > > > > > > -- http://www.ymenard.8m.com/ > > > > > > > > > > -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimato > > > Dominguez > > > > > > > > > > Corporation - helping America into the New World... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
shpankey wrote:
Filthy AIMBOTTER!
Quoted text (7 lines)
> > I really don't care. I WILL play the game the way *I* want. If it's so > called "cheating" to make that happen, then so be it. I might add also, in > first person shooters, I hack my FOV to 120 instead of the normal 90. They > call it cheating over there, and I still don't care. > > :)I see how you name them, but I still don't understand how someone 'makes' a
roof cam, or any other.
I've noticed on this web site
http://www.discountdescramblers.com/nascar.html that someone has adjusted
the roof view down into the car, and forward. There's a pic in the zip file
which shows the view so it can be previewed before installing. I'd like to
bring it back, but keep the same height.
David G Fisher
"shpankey" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:_5De8.11854$[email hidden]...
> In your Nascar/series/cup directory, you make three views (all roof)naming
> them "make_a.cam" "make_b.cam" "make_b.cam" respectively.
>
> Now, whenever someone tries to force that stupid "cockpit" (yeah right)view
best
> > mix
> > > of
> > > > 2 as it provides a more realistic view and provides some side toside
news:eF7e8.10987$[email hidden]...
I
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> on you, they only force another roof view. Heh. :) > > > "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:M8Ce8.67963$[email hidden]... > > How do you do that? > > > > David G Fisher > > > > "shpankey" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:L6de8.8496$[email hidden]... > > > Here ya go... > > > > > > http://www.discountdescramblers.com/sounds.zip > > > > > > And btw... forcing cockpit does NOT force the cockpit for me, as I've > made > > > all of my views "roof" view, so that BS doesn't work anyhow. > > > > > > MWAHAHAHA > > > > > > Roof view forever!!! > > > > > > :) > > > > > > > > > "Schooner" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > news:OS8e8.20926$[email hidden]... > > > > Never mind. You guys are right, in car is best. > > > > We normally can spot the in car drivers in races, their the ones > > blocking > > > as > > > > they can't see cars beside them. I personally feel roof view isQuoted text (17 lines)
> > > > vision. I too do not like the full car view but in car is too > limited. > > > > > > > > "John Pancoast" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > > news:[email hidden]... > > > > > Huh? Dangerous? > > > > > > > > > > -John > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Schooner" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > > > news:nJ7e8.20894$[email hidden]... > > > > > > Wha? > > > > > > Most leagues don't force cockpit view as it is too dangerous. > > > > > > > > > > > > "Biz" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > > > >Quoted text (24 lines)
> > > > > > > I hope you find nothing but forced cockpit view races > > > online......... > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > Biz > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Don't touch that please, your primitive intellect wouldn't > > > understand > > > > > > > alloys and compositions and,......things with molecular > > > > > structures,....and > > > > > > > the....." - Ash > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Schooner <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > > > > news:lR4e8.20818$[email hidden]... > > > > > > > > Ok, whatever, I am just curious if anyone managed to change > how > > > they > > > > > > work so > > > > > > > > the in car sounds can be duplicated in other views. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "ymenard" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > > > > > > news:7J4e8.64688$[email hidden]... > > > > > > > > > >"Schooner" <[email hidden]> wrote > > > > > > > > > > Well I thought that someone might have done it is all.Quoted text (50 lines)
> > > think > > > > it > > > > > > uses > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > same format dat files as N$ so extraction should be much > > > easier. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It's not about using different sounds. Whatever view uses > the > > > > same > > > > > > sound, > > > > > > > > > they are just processed and filtered differently. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Don't assume that since it has only been out a few days > that > > > it > > > > > > hasn't > > > > > > > > > been done. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Does.Not.Compute. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> > > > > > > > > > -- http://www.ymenard.8m.com/ > > > > > > > > > -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimato > > Dominguez > > > > > > > > > Corporation - helping America into the New World... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Oh, I remember that thread...banning the handicapped...great
--
Tim White
INTRAC Motorsports
www.birds-i-view.com/intrac
"Biz" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:YMNe8.162$[email hidden]...
Many also did not allow joysticks.
--
This is the part I was commenting on, and I didnt call you a purist but since you think I did...every argument I have ever seen about driving in-car was to point out the attempt at realism.
Thats all I was referring to. So why do YOU drive incar?
And I like html, sue me :)
"John Pancoast" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...
The problem I've always run into in the past, is roof riders actually
causing more wrecks/problems than anyone else.
--
Tim White
INTRAC Motorsports
www.birds-i-view.com/intrac
"John Pancoast" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...
Forgot to add; if I was a purist, I would force cockpit view in my league.
As I stated earlier, I don't. Even though most I've seen haven't been safe
with a roof view, if someone wants to use it, they're given the chance.
But I guess that part of my post was overlooked :)
-John
On Tue, 26 Feb 2002 21:57:04 GMT, "Tim" <[email hidden]>
wrote:
>And I like html, sue me :)
I don't know how it is with other newsreaders, but with Agent which I
use HTML messages are quite unreadable, forcing me to scroll left and
right with every sentence.
Someone have the phonenumber of OJ Simpsons lawyer for me please?
Andre
lol ! "My victim's been criticized, ostracised, and circumsized your
honor!"
-John
"Andre Warringa" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...
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> On Tue, 26 Feb 2002 21:57:04 GMT, "Tim" <[email hidden]> > wrote: > > >And I like html, sue me :) > > I don't know how it is with other newsreaders, but with Agent which I > use HTML messages are quite unreadable, forcing me to scroll left and > right with every sentence. > Someone have the phonenumber of OJ Simpsons lawyer for me please? > > Andre Because it feels more like driving a race car to me. Never really had the
interest/need to try something else.
-John
"Tim" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:QwTe8.51679$[email hidden]...
This is the part I was commenting on, and I didnt call you a purist but
since you think I did...every argument I have ever seen about driving in-car
was to point out the attempt at realism.
Thats all I was referring to. So why do YOU drive incar?
And I like html, sue me :)
"John Pancoast" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...
The problem I've always run into in the past, is roof riders actually
causing more wrecks/problems than anyone else.
--
Tim White
INTRAC Motorsports
www.birds-i-view.com/intrac
"John Pancoast" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...
Forgot to add; if I was a purist, I would force cockpit view in my league.
As I stated earlier, I don't. Even though most I've seen haven't been safe
with a roof view, if someone wants to use it, they're given the chance.
But I guess that part of my post was overlooked :)
-John
Gerry Aitken wrote:
He's probably a freakin' CAMPER as well!
--
Fester
"Is it that we need a nobrainer Linux desktop OS for people with no
brains or should people do a little more reading and smarten up?"
from alt.linux.mandrake NG
Quoted text (11 lines)
> > shpankey wrote: > > > > I really don't care. I WILL play the game the way *I* want. If it's so > > called "cheating" to make that happen, then so be it. I might add also, in > > first person shooters, I hack my FOV to 120 instead of the normal 90. They > > call it cheating over there, and I still don't care. > > > > :) > > Filthy AIMBOTTER!
Uncle Fester wrote:
REALLY! Ah a brother camper :)
Gerry
Quoted text (15 lines)
> > Gerry Aitken wrote: > > > > shpankey wrote: > > > > > > I really don't care. I WILL play the game the way *I* want. If it's so > > > called "cheating" to make that happen, then so be it. I might add also, in > > > first person shooters, I hack my FOV to 120 instead of the normal 90. They > > > call it cheating over there, and I still don't care. > > > > > > :) > > > > Filthy AIMBOTTER! > > He's probably a freakin' CAMPER as well!Actually, I play a very aggressive style, moving fast and never standing
around. But hey, if it makes you feel better, then sure I'll say it.. I camp
everyday everywhere all the time, that's all I do really. I also shot JFK
and I'm really Osama Bin Ladin. I can be any and all of your other "bad
guys" if it helps you deal with my roof driving also. No sweat of my back.
:)
"Gerry Aitken" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...
so
> > > > called "cheating" to make that happen, then so be it. I might addalso, in
> > > > first person shooters, I hack my FOV to 120 instead of the normal90. They
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> > > Uncle Fester wrote: > > > > Gerry Aitken wrote: > > > > > > shpankey wrote: > > > > > > > > I really don't care. I WILL play the game the way *I* want. If it'sQuoted text (11 lines)
> > > > call it cheating over there, and I still don't care. > > > > > > > > :) > > > > > > Filthy AIMBOTTER! > > > > He's probably a freakin' CAMPER as well! > > REALLY! Ah a brother camper :) > > Gerry
shpankey wrote:
You carry on running around, son, I'll just snipe you on your way past.
Then, of course, you'll start crying about how a nasty 'cheating' camper
just shot you. How the fork is it cheating anyway?
Quoted text (7 lines)
> > Actually, I play a very aggressive style, moving fast and never standing > around. But hey, if it makes you feel better, then sure I'll say it.. I camp > everyday everywhere all the time, that's all I do really. I also shot JFK > and I'm really Osama Bin Ladin. I can be any and all of your other "bad > guys" if it helps you deal with my roof driving also. No sweat of my back. > :)Gerry Aitken wrote:
If it's not at a spawn point, I don't think it is cheating. Not IMHO.
--
Fester
"Is it that we need a nobrainer Linux desktop OS for people with no
brains or should people do a little more reading and smarten up?"
from alt.linux.mandrake NG
Quoted text (13 lines)
> > shpankey wrote: > > > > Actually, I play a very aggressive style, moving fast and never standing > > around. But hey, if it makes you feel better, then sure I'll say it.. I camp > > everyday everywhere all the time, that's all I do really. I also shot JFK > > and I'm really Osama Bin Ladin. I can be any and all of your other "bad > > guys" if it helps you deal with my roof driving also. No sweat of my back. > > :) > > You carry on running around, son, I'll just snipe you on your way past. > Then, of course, you'll start crying about how a nasty 'cheating' camper > just shot you. How the fork is it cheating anyway?Well, I don't know where you play games at, but around here, we play for
fun. Who's crying? Sounds to me like you're crying about my roof driving,
certainly not me about how you're playing. That's just the thing, I think
most of you take this crap to personal, I mean goodness, getting all worked
up over field of views and camping and blah blah blah blah
whiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiine.
::shrug::
Whatever makes your life easier to deal with, I guess go for it.
"Gerry Aitken" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...
>
>
> shpankey wrote:
> >
> > Actually, I play a very aggressive style, moving fast and never standing
> > around. But hey, if it makes you feel better, then sure I'll say it.. Icamp
> > everyday everywhere all the time, that's all I do really. I also shotJFK
> > and I'm really Osama Bin Ladin. I can be any and all of your other "bad
> > guys" if it helps you deal with my roof driving also. No sweat of myback.
> > :)
>
> You carry on running around, son, I'll just snipe you on your way past.
> Then, of course, you'll start crying about how a nasty 'cheating' camper
> just shot you. How the fork is it cheating anyway?
