I realy like the new engine sounds but when in a race I can hear this
"other" sound that I don't hear in testing sessions. It's like something
being scraped on the pavement. I checked the outside view and my bumper was
intact so it's not that. :-)
Another thing I have had happen is when in a crash the frame rate dropped
way down to like .5 fps. I switched res to 800x600 from 1024x768 and there
was no problem with frame rate, I then switched res to 1152x864 and it
didn't happen there either. I'm using a Radeon 8500. Anyone else have this
happen?
Mysterious background noise in NR2002 races
lane asked about a scraping or roaring sound heard in NR2002 races but not in testing. Suggestions included tyre scrub, wind noise and engine harmonics, and a fan sound pack removed it for some. The thread drifted into post-race music and Krautrock.
Automated summary.
"lane" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> I realy like the new engine sounds but when in a race I can hear this
> "other" sound that I don't hear in testing sessions. It's likesomething
> being scraped on the pavement. I checked the outside view and mybumper was
> intact so it's not that. :-)
Kind of like a Darth Vader sound, eh? ;o)
> Another thing I have had happen is when in a crash the frame ratedropped
> way down to like .5 fps. I switched res to 800x600 from 1024x768 andthere
> was no problem with frame rate, I then switched res to 1152x864 and it
> didn't happen there either. I'm using a Radeon 8500. Anyone else havethis
> happen?
Which drivers are you using? I don't have the 8500, I have the old 32
mb DDR, which I guess is now the 7200. Anyway I was having big pauses
in NR2002 with the drivers I had (7189?) but they seem to be fixed now
that I have installed the 9009 drivers which were released recently.
That's for Win 98/ME btw, can't help you if you are using XP.
that sound is tire sound and that's what it sounds like, juts a little exaggerated
"lane" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:a5hjfn$7ca4l$[email hidden]...
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| I realy like the new engine sounds but when in a race I can hear this | "other" sound that I don't hear in testing sessions. It's like something | being scraped on the pavement. I checked the outside view and my bumper was | intact so it's not that. :-) | | Another thing I have had happen is when in a crash the frame rate dropped | way down to like .5 fps. I switched res to 800x600 from 1024x768 and there | was no problem with frame rate, I then switched res to 1152x864 and it | didn't happen there either. I'm using a Radeon 8500. Anyone else have this | happen? | | |
"Haqsau" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> Kind of like a Darth Vader sound, eh? ;o)
Some annoying sound anyway. I downloaded these sound file from here
http://www.discountdescramblers.com/nascar.html that is supposed to fix the
Darth Vader sound but I still hear it. I think what I'm hearing is wind
maybe.
> Which drivers are you using? I don't have the 8500, I have the old 32
> mb DDR, which I guess is now the 7200. Anyway I was having big pauses
> in NR2002 with the drivers I had (7189?) but they seem to be fixed now
> that I have installed the 9009 drivers which were released recently.
> That's for Win 98/ME btw, can't help you if you are using XP.
I'm using 9009 on Win98. I saw a crash happen way up ahead of me and this
also caused a big frame rate drop, but not as bad as the ones I was in. This
seems to be some sort of intermitent problem and not consistent. After I get
this problem my PC won't soft reboot, just stalls at the shutdown screen and
I have to do a hard reset. Oh well, it's no big deal, but it just shows that
after 15 years of Papy doing sims we still can't get a perfect release out
of the gate and is annoying. On top of that I don't see what the big deal is
about this over N4 anyway. Someone said this release is like a N4.5, more
like a 4.1 IMO. <rant on>And the manual sucks because the type is too small
to read. Lots of publishers are putting out these shitty manuals with really
small typeface. They are using the small box as an excuse to cut down
priniting costs. They could easlily fit a manual 4X as thick in the box
which would mean more pages for *larger* fonts. Cheap bastards.<rant off>
"Blake" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> that sound is tire sound and that's what it sounds like, juts a littleexaggerated
You talking about the tire scuffing sound as you go around corners? That is
not the sound I'm talking about. I think it's maybe supposed to be wind, but
I only hear it during races and not testing sessions. It's annoying me
whatever it is.
Humm I dont notice whatever it is you're hearing then??
"lane" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:a5hvoa$7dlim$[email hidden]...
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| | "Blake" <[email hidden]> wrote in message | news:ecZe8.222856$[email hidden]... | > that sound is tire sound and that's what it sounds like, juts a little | exaggerated | | You talking about the tire scuffing sound as you go around corners? That is | not the sound I'm talking about. I think it's maybe supposed to be wind, but | I only hear it during races and not testing sessions. It's annoying me | whatever it is. | | |On Wed, 27 Feb 2002 01:53:54 -0500, "lane" <[email hidden]>
wrote:
>You talking about the tire scuffing sound as you go around corners? That is
>not the sound I'm talking about. I think it's maybe supposed to be wind, but
>I only hear it during races and not testing sessions. It's annoying me
>whatever it is.
Is that from the cockpit view or another view? (just asking because
the sounds are different from internal/external view :)
Andre
Are you talking about the harmonics between the other engines around you and
yours?
You say it's only happening in the race so that's what I'm assuming you're
tlaking about.
When I'm out running around in a race in my race car, when another car gets
right beside me it seems like the air changes and then at the top of our RPM
range you get some harmonic sounds between the two engines... it's really
neat. :-)
"lane" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> I realy like the new engine sounds but when in a race I can hear this
> "other" sound that I don't hear in testing sessions. It's like something
> being scraped on the pavement. I checked the outside view and my bumperwas
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> intact so it's not that. :-) > > Another thing I have had happen is when in a crash the frame rate dropped > way down to like .5 fps. I switched res to 800x600 from 1024x768 and there > was no problem with frame rate, I then switched res to 1152x864 and it > didn't happen there either. I'm using a Radeon 8500. Anyone else have this > happen? > >
lane <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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is
> not the sound I'm talking about. I think it's maybe supposed to be wind,but
> I only hear it during races and not testing sessions. It's annoying me
> whatever it is.
>
Hear it when you lift, especially in the corners? Yup, I think that is the
'wind' sound alright. I hate it too. I have found a Wind option in one of
the INI files before and tried both 0 and 1 for the settings and I still
hear it. Sounds like somone put a mason jar or big conch shell over you
ears for a few seconds in the corners. Darth Vader breathing is anoth good
analogy, hehe. I think they were trying to copy Heat with that and as far
as Im concerned they could have left it out...
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> > "Blake" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:ecZe8.222856$[email hidden]... > > that sound is tire sound and that's what it sounds like, juts a little > exaggerated > > You talking about the tire scuffing sound as you go around corners? That
"Andre Warringa" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> Is that from the cockpit view or another view? (just asking because
> the sounds are different from internal/external view :)
>
> Andre
From the cockpit. Is there any other view? ;-)
"CarGuy" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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This is a job for Meatwater. I guess with a pro sound editor you could
isolate that sound and remove it right?
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> Hear it when you lift, especially in the corners? Yup, I think that is the > 'wind' sound alright. I hate it too. I have found a Wind option in one of > the INI files before and tried both 0 and 1 for the settings and I still > hear it. Sounds like somone put a mason jar or big conch shell over you > ears for a few seconds in the corners. Darth Vader breathing is anoth good > analogy, hehe. I think they were trying to copy Heat with that and as far > as Im concerned they could have left it out...
"Billy Hutson" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> Are you talking about the harmonics between the other engines around youand
> yours?
>
> You say it's only happening in the race so that's what I'm assuming you're
> tlaking about.
>
> When I'm out running around in a race in my race car, when another cargets
> right beside me it seems like the air changes and then at the top of ourRPM
> range you get some harmonic sounds between the two engines... it's really
> neat. :-)
I'm not really sure what it's supposed to be. I don't think it's neat though
whatever it is. Maybe it sounds different on my soundcard and speakers,
Santa Cruz with Monsoon planar speakers. These speakers are crystal clear so
any sound, good or bad, comes through. I notice on these speakers that I can
really tell if something is a good recording or not. Applying that to music
cd's more than anything.
Nope <G>
"lane" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:a5j558$7f3pc$[email hidden]...
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| | "Andre Warringa" <[email hidden]> wrote in message | news:[email hidden]... | > Is that from the cockpit view or another view? (just asking because | > the sounds are different from internal/external view :) | > | > Andre | | From the cockpit. Is there any other view? ;-) | | |Nope <G>
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| | > Is that from the***pit view or another view? (just asking because | > the sounds are different from internal/external view :) | > | > Andre | | From the***pit. Is there any other view? ;-) | | |Haqsau wrote:
More like crickets to me. However I DLed the new sound
patch for external driving views (I use the rooftop cam), and
voila! No more bloody crickets!
John DiFool
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> "lane" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:a5hjfn$7ca4l$[email hidden]... > > I realy like the new engine sounds but when in a race I can hear this > > "other" sound that I don't hear in testing sessions. It's like > something > > being scraped on the pavement. I checked the outside view and my > bumper was > > intact so it's not that. :-) > > Kind of like a Darth Vader sound, eh? ;o) >Funny, My copy came in the same size big box that NR1,2,3,99,&4 came in...
Even though I was hoping for the small box (I save 'em boxes nowadays so
when I move... each box has what goes in it... except my NR2, it has my
NR1 stuff in it too. Yep the manual was small. No quickkey cards either...
woa saved a buck or 2... LOL for each 100 copies they sold... D'oh Terry
Bradshaw is proud of them Im sure.
>And the manual sucks because the type is too small
> to read. Lots of publishers are putting out these shitty manuals withreally
> small typeface. They are using the small box as an excuse to cut down
> priniting costs. They could easlily fit a manual 4X as thick in the box
> which would mean more pages for *larger* fonts. Cheap bastards.<rant off>
>
>
>
I think the sound in the corners is tire scrub, not wind. Same thing in
Heat.
"CarGuy" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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little
> > exaggerated
> >
> > You talking about the tire scuffing sound as you go around corners?That
> is
> > not the sound I'm talking about. I think it's maybe supposed to bewind,
> but
> > I only hear it during races and not testing sessions. It's annoyingme
> > whatever it is.
> >
>
> Hear it when you lift, especially in the corners? Yup, I think that isthe
> 'wind' sound alright. I hate it too. I have found a Wind option in oneof
> the INI files before and tried both 0 and 1 for the settings and Istill
> hear it. Sounds like somone put a mason jar or big conch shell overyou
> ears for a few seconds in the corners. Darth Vader breathing is anothgood
> analogy, hehe. I think they were trying to copy Heat with that and asfar
> as Im concerned they could have left it out...
>
>
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> > lane <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:a5hvoa$7dlim$[email hidden]... > > > > "Blake" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:ecZe8.222856$[email hidden]... > > > that sound is tire sound and that's what it sounds like, juts aIt is the sound of your tries scrubbing on the pavement
(minimize(relative volume) this while still being fast).
Really go into a corner hard and then you will hear the squealing of the
tires skidding on the pavement (always a no no).
Go drive on a mountain road, and lower your window. Listen to your tires
when you go around corners. Deja vue.
Norman
"lane" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> I realy like the new engine sounds but when in a race I can hear this
> "other" sound that I don't hear in testing sessions. It's likesomething
> being scraped on the pavement. I checked the outside view and mybumper was
> intact so it's not that. :-)
>
> Another thing I have had happen is when in a crash the frame ratedropped
> way down to like .5 fps. I switched res to 800x600 from 1024x768 andthere
> was no problem with frame rate, I then switched res to 1152x864 and it
> didn't happen there either. I'm using a Radeon 8500. Anyone else havethis
> happen?
>
>
"lane" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<a5hjfn$7ca4l$[email hidden]>...
> I realy like the new engine sounds but when in a race I can hear this
> "other" sound that I don't hear in testing sessions. It's like something
> being scraped on the pavement. I checked the outside view and my bumper was
> intact so it's not that. :-)
That would be the awful heavy metal song that plays after a race. =)
I'm kidding, but it would sure be nice to turn that off. Nothing in
the in-game options so I guess I'll poke through some .ini's in the
morning....
Jason
"Norman Black" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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That's not it either. As I said already, I only here it when in a race so it
is related to the other cars on the track. Anyway, with those helmets and
fire suits covering their ears I doubt Nascar racers actually hear the tires
on the road.
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> It is the sound of your tries scrubbing on the pavement > (minimize(relative volume) this while still being fast). > > Really go into a corner hard and then you will hear the squealing of the > tires skidding on the pavement (always a no no). > > Go drive on a mountain road, and lower your window. Listen to your tires > when you go around corners. Deja vue. > > Norman
"jason moyer" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> That would be the awful heavy metal song that plays after a race. =)
Heh, yea...Nascar fans have poor taste in music, at least according to
Papy/Sierra. :-)
On Thu, 28 Feb 2002 08:28:33 -0500, "lane" <[email hidden]>
wrote:
>That's not it either. As I said already, I only here it when in a race so it
>is related to the other cars on the track. Anyway, with those helmets and
>fire suits covering their ears I doubt Nascar racers actually hear the tires
>on the road.
I don't know, but don't forget you get much more inputs in a real car,
and the new tire sounds are a tremendous help in knowing what the car
is doing imho
Andre
"lane" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<a5lbbj$83in2$[email hidden]>...
> "jason moyer" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
> news:[email hidden]...
> > That would be the awful heavy metal song that plays after a race. =)
>
> Heh, yea...Nascar fans have poor taste in music, at least according to
> Papy/Sierra. :-)
Well, I'd say that is according to
Papy/Sierra/Fox/NBC/TNT/ESPN/Speedvision (missing anyone) and the
bands they usually book before the race. And the music blaring out of
people's cars/motorhomes at the track. Apparently not only is it a
stereotype that NASCAR fans are 40 year olds with mullets who drink
cheap beer and listen top-40 country and heavy metal, but it's the
image the sport is trying to project.
Then again my favorite band is Can, so I shouldn't really talk.
Jason
jason moyer wrote:
>
> That would be the awful heavy metal song that plays after a race. =)
Sounds decent here, if a little too soft & wimpy. ;-) Wish we could
turn it up. <g>
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"jason moyer" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> Then again my favorite band is Can, so I shouldn't really talk.
>
> Jason
Holger Czukay has done some interesting stuff.
"lane" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<a5mqep$8if1p$[email hidden]>...
> Holger Czukay has done some interesting stuff.
Holger rules. =)
I was sad when the Can Solo Projects tour came through the states a
few years ago because none of the promoters in Pittsburgh could afford
to bring them here. Now that Michael Karoli has died (shortly before
George Harrison, too, what a double shot that was), I s'pose it will
probably be awhile until I get to see any of them. I'm only 24 so I
wasn't alive when they still played shows together.
Jason (krautrock obsessive)
> Anyway, with those helmets and
> fire suits covering their ears I doubt Nascar racers actually hear thetires
> on the road.
No, but then they can actually feel the tire interaction with the
pavement (front and back). We have to live with sound feedback.
Norman
"lane" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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the
> > tires skidding on the pavement (always a no no).
> >
> > Go drive on a mountain road, and lower your window. Listen to yourtires
> > when you go around corners. Deja vue.
> >
> > Norman
>
> That's not it either. As I said already, I only here it when in a raceso it
> is related to the other cars on the track. Anyway, with those helmetsand
> fire suits covering their ears I doubt Nascar racers actually hear thetires
> on the road.
>
>
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> > "Norman Black" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:a5k2kb$c7r$[email hidden]... > > It is the sound of your tries scrubbing on the pavement > > (minimize(relative volume) this while still being fast). > > > > Really go into a corner hard and then you will hear the squealing of> > Anyway, with those helmets and
> > fire suits covering their ears I doubt Nascar racers actually hear the
> tires
> > on the road.
What, you don't wear a helmet and fire suit when you race???
<g>
Uncle Fester wrote:
Oh yeah, but we know your kind. You're probably 40 years old, wears a
mullet, and drinks cheap beer. :)
KFG
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> jason moyer wrote: >> >> That would be the awful heavy metal song that plays after a race. =) > > > Sounds decent here, if a little too soft & wimpy. ;-) Wish we could > turn it up. <g> >Definetly sounds like wind to me, because when I go into corners too hot
(Say at Bristol) I can hear tire squeel on top of that noise. I definetly
think it is supposed to be wind or the 'low roar' would shift to the squeel
when cornering and it doesn't do that. Maybe it was tires in Heat, but if it
is supposed to be tires in 2002 then they need to 1) turn it off when the
tires are screaming at you for taking a corner too hot, they can't
moan/scrub and screetch at the same time and 2) turn it off when you lift
off the gas after being spun at Coca Cola and are flying across the grass
backwards on the grass, I wouldn't think tire moan/scrub would occur
skimming across grass with no power being applied to them...
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> I think the sound in the corners is tire scrub, not wind. Same thing in > Heat. > > > Hear it when you lift, especially in the corners? Yup, I think that is > the > > 'wind' sound alright. I hate it too. I have found a Wind option in one > of > > the INI files before and tried both 0 and 1 for the settings and I > still > > hear it. Sounds like somone put a mason jar or big conch shell over > you > > ears for a few seconds in the corners. Darth Vader breathing is anoth > good > > analogy, hehe. I think they were trying to copy Heat with that and as > far > > as Im concerned they could have left it out... > > > > >
"Norman Black" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> No, but then they can actually feel the tire interaction with the
> pavement (front and back). We have to live with sound feedback.
>
> Norman
It's not the tire sounds. I like the tire tie sounds when going into the
corners. They obvioulsy got the sound idea for tires from EA's F12001. I'm
thinking it's wind turbulence becauase I only hear it when in a race.
"Don Jennings" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> What, you don't wear a helmet and fire suit when you race???
> <g>
No, just racing booties and gloves.
"jason moyer" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> Jason (krautrock obsessive)
I take it you have the complete Kraftwerk collection too then?
>"lane" <[email hidden]> wrote
> I take it you have the complete Kraftwerk collection too then?
Who doesn't? (or at least, try to? LOL)
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Yeah, now that I think about it, it could be wind, because when you yaw
the car you are going to get more air coming into the cockpit.
"CarGuy" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> Definetly sounds like wind to me, because when I go into corners toohot
> (Say at Bristol) I can hear tire squeel on top of that noise. Idefinetly
> think it is supposed to be wind or the 'low roar' would shift to thesqueel
> when cornering and it doesn't do that. Maybe it was tires in Heat, butif it
> is supposed to be tires in 2002 then they need to 1) turn it off whenthe
> tires are screaming at you for taking a corner too hot, they can't
> moan/scrub and screetch at the same time and 2) turn it off when youlift
> off the gas after being spun at Coca Cola and are flying across thegrass
thing in
> > Heat.
> >
> > > Hear it when you lift, especially in the corners? Yup, I thinkthat is
> > the
> > > 'wind' sound alright. I hate it too. I have found a Wind option inone
> > of
> > > the INI files before and tried both 0 and 1 for the settings and I
> > still
> > > hear it. Sounds like somone put a mason jar or big conch shellover
> > you
> > > ears for a few seconds in the corners. Darth Vader breathing isanoth
> > good
> > > analogy, hehe. I think they were trying to copy Heat with that andas
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> backwards on the grass, I wouldn't think tire moan/scrub would occur > skimming across grass with no power being applied to them... > > > Haqsau <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:a5jnge$7sj3o$[email hidden]... > > I think the sound in the corners is tire scrub, not wind. SameQuoted text (7 lines)
> > far > > > as Im concerned they could have left it out... > > > > > > > > > >"Kevin F. Gavitt" wrote:
Pretty freakin' close! <g>
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> > Uncle Fester wrote: > > > jason moyer wrote: > >> > >> That would be the awful heavy metal song that plays after a race. =) > > > > > > Sounds decent here, if a little too soft & wimpy. ;-) Wish we could > > turn it up. <g> > > > > Oh yeah, but we know your kind. You're probably 40 years old, wears a > mullet, and drinks cheap beer. :) > > KFG"lane" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<a5ofhg$92q8r$[email hidden]>...
> "jason moyer" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> > Jason (krautrock obsessive)
>
> I take it you have the complete Kraftwerk collection too then?
I'm not a big of most Kraftwerk. =/ I think their poppy stuff was
really neat and influential, but the albums I *love* are Kraftwerk
One, Kraftwerk Two, and Ralf & Florian. Kraftwerk Two in particular
is an absolute masterpiece. Ruckzuck and Klingklang are two of my
favorite pieces of music ever. =)
I'm mostly into the standards...Can, Faust, Cluster, Harmonia, Neu,
Agitation Free, La Dusseldorf, Cosmic Jokers, Ash Ra Temple w/ Tim
Leary, Tangerine Dream, etc. If I'm the right mood I can listen to
some Amon Duul I & II but that's a bit too much like standard progrock
for my taste.
Really I'm just an academic artsnob so I should stop offering my
opinions here. Stockhausen, Riley, etc and bad indie pop like
Tortoise and Low. Although at least now you know how bad my taste is
so no one takes my earlier criticism seriously. =p
Oh yeah, my dad is 50, has a mullet, and was flipping out about Rob
Zombie last time I saw him. Speaking of which, I gave him a #25
Folger's diecast car as a present and he couldn't remember who that
was. With all the Hendrick's collectibles he has that made me sad.
Jason
"Kevin F. Gavitt" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<XDOf8.156241$[email hidden]>...
> Oh yeah, but we know your kind. You're probably 40 years old, wears a
> mullet, and drinks cheap beer. :)
My girlfriend has an "I love mullets!" sticker on the side of her
monitor. And she makes fun of me for playing NASCAR games. =(
Jason
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>> Oh yeah, but we know your kind. You're probably 40 years old, wears a >> mullet, and drinks cheap beer. :) >> >> KFG > > >Pretty freakin' close! <g> >EldredP wrote:
Not anymore, that's true. Not enough hair *left*, hence the name Uncle
Fester. Shoulda seen me about 10 years ago though. :-)
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blood boils with hate and the mind has closed, the leader will have no
need in seizing the rights of the citizenry. Rather, the citizenry,
infused with fear and blinded by patriotism, will offer up all of their
rights unto the leader and gladly so. How do I know? For this is what I
have done. And I am Caesar." -- Julius Caesar
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> In article <[email hidden]>, Uncle Fester <[email hidden]> > writes: > > >>>Oh yeah, but we know your kind. You're probably 40 years old, wears a >>>mullet, and drinks cheap beer. :) >>> >>>KFG >>> >> >>Pretty freakin' close! <g> >> > > Yeah, but Fester doesn't wear a mullet... :-)Wow. Damn good quote there, Fester. Echoes exactly what I have been
feeling about George W.'s little holy war lately.
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> "Beware the leader who bangs the drums of war in order to whip the
> citizenry into a patriotic fervor, for patriotism is indeed a
> double-edged sword. It both emboldens the blood, just as it narrowsthe
> mind. And when the drums of war have reached a fever pitch and the
> blood boils with hate and the mind has closed, the leader will have no
> need in seizing the rights of the citizenry. Rather, the citizenry,
> infused with fear and blinded by patriotism, will offer up all oftheir
> rights unto the leader and gladly so. How do I know? For this is whatI
> have done. And I am Caesar." -- Julius Caesar
>
Haqsau wrote:
> Wow. Damn good quote there, Fester. Echoes exactly what I have been
> feeling about George W.'s little holy war lately.
:-) Cheers. I felt it was pertinent.
--
Fester
"Beware the leader who bangs the drums of war in order to whip the
citizenry into a patriotic fervor, for patriotism is indeed a
double-edged sword. It both emboldens the blood, just as it narrows the
mind. And when the drums of war have reached a fever pitch and the
blood boils with hate and the mind has closed, the leader will have no
need in seizing the rights of the citizenry. Rather, the citizenry,
infused with fear and blinded by patriotism, will offer up all of their
rights unto the leader and gladly so. How do I know? For this is what I
have done. And I am Caesar." -- Julius Caesar
