Geoff Crammond still lazy!

Taken from racesimcentral : "According to Racingcorner.de website, the latest German PC ACTION gaming magazine reports that Grand Prix 4 will not contain an Internet multiplayer mode due to licensing issues. However a new multiplayer mode is included, split screen for two players on one computer." Pffffftttttt hey Geoff, there is no excuse anymore. You are plain, bloody, lazy and hypocrite for saying such above thing when in fact the real reason is that your core engine can't synchronise cars together because you twist the reality of time instead of dropping frames. He won't ever admit it. Split screen? What year are we in, 1995? He's living in the past, as always... -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- http://www.ymenard.8m.com/ -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimato Dominguez Corporation - helping America into the New World...

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> > Taken from racesimcentral : > > "According to Racingcorner.de website, the latest German PC ACTION > gaming magazine reports that Grand Prix 4 will not contain an Internet > multiplayer mode due to licensing issues. However a new multiplayer mode is > included, split screen for two players on one computer."

Disgusting... -- Fester "Is it that we need a nobrainer Linux desktop OS for people with no brains or should people do a little more reading and smarten up?" from alt.linux.mandrake NG

No big deal. Who wants to drive F1 cars with no performance difference anyway? :) Lousy mp code isn't the only thing he never learns. -John "ymenard" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:O_Ye8.14999$[email hidden]... > Taken from racesimcentral : > > > "According to Racingcorner.de website, the latest German PC ACTION > gaming magazine reports that Grand Prix 4 will not contain an Internet > multiplayer mode due to licensing issues. However a new multiplayer modeis > included, split screen for two players on one computer." > > > > Pffffftttttt hey Geoff, there is no excuse anymore. You are plain,bloody, > lazy and hypocrite for saying such above thing when in fact the realreason

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> is that your core engine can't synchronise cars together because you twist > the reality of time instead of dropping frames. He won't ever admit it. > > Split screen? What year are we in, 1995? He's living in the past, as > always... > > > > > > -- > -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> > -- http://www.ymenard.8m.com/ > -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimato Dominguez > Corporation - helping America into the New World... > > >

On Tue, 26 Feb 2002 23:10:26 -0500, "ymenard" <[email hidden]> wrote: >Split screen? What year are we in, 1995? He's living in the past, as >always... Nah, Pitstop II was released way before '95 Andre

I remember someone saying that GP4 was all new code. WHAT BOLLOCKS GP4 is currently looking IDENTICAL to GP3. Doug

"Douglas Ellison" <[email hidden]> schrieb im Newsbeitrag news:a5j0ni$7etlp$[email hidden]... > I remember someone saying that GP4 was all new code. > WHAT BOLLOCKS > GP4 is currently looking IDENTICAL to GP3. Yeah right. GC printed the code of GP3 out and typed it new into the computer. Voil�! :D Regards Crash

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> "Douglas Ellison" <[email hidden]> schrieb im Newsbeitrag > news:a5j0ni$7etlp$[email hidden]... > > > I remember someone saying that GP4 was all new code. > > WHAT BOLLOCKS > > GP4 is currently looking IDENTICAL to GP3. > > Yeah right. GC printed the code of GP3 out and typed it new into the > computer. Voil�!

EVEN THE MANUAL of GP3 is approx 80% the same as that of GP1 - with the SAME glaring track map errors (usually on pit lane positioning) Doug

In article <O_Ye8.14999$[email hidden]>, "ymenard" <[email hidden]> writes: > "According to Racingcorner.de website, the latest German PC ACTION >gaming magazine reports that Grand Prix 4 will not contain an Internet >multiplayer mode due to licensing issues. However a new multiplayer mode is >included, split screen for two players on one computer." <Sarcasm on> Boy, that makes me wanna run right out and BUY it... <Sarcasm off> I don't get it. You can race any F1 marque against any other F1 marque, but you can't race against a human on another computer? The cars are obviously licensed for the game, or they wouldn't be IN there. If Hasbro(or whoever) writes the MP engine, they obviously hold the license on THAT. What's the deal? That's just stupid... :( Eldred -- Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPLRank - under construction... Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

Well atleast it came out early... and saved me from looking more at this title. Looks to me like GP4 wont make it into my HD either. When are these folks going to learn that online racing is the way to go?? -- ed_ "ymenard" <[email hidden]> skrev i melding news:O_Ye8.14999$[email hidden]... > Taken from racesimcentral : > > > "According to Racingcorner.de website, the latest German PC ACTION > gaming magazine reports that Grand Prix 4 will not contain an Internet > multiplayer mode due to licensing issues. However a new multiplayer mode is > included, split screen for two players on one computer." > > > > Pffffftttttt hey Geoff, there is no excuse anymore. You are plain, bloody, > lazy and hypocrite for saying such above thing when in fact the real reason > is that your core engine can't synchronise cars together because you twist > the reality of time instead of dropping frames. He won't ever admit it. > > Split screen? What year are we in, 1995? He's living in the past, as > always... > > > > > > -- > -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> > -- http://www.ymenard.8m.com/ > -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimato Dominguez > Corporation - helping America into the New World... > > >

Is multiplayer the be all and end all of sim racing. Personally I'd be satisfied to have a high quality racing experience with a really excellent AI. MP is only good if you're in North America or broadband areas of the world. "Ed Solheim" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:QM9f8.1336$[email hidden]...

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> Well atleast it came out early... and saved me from looking more at this > title. > Looks to me like GP4 wont make it into my HD either. > > When are these folks going to learn that online racing is the way to go?? > > -- > ed_ > > > "ymenard" <[email hidden]> skrev i melding > news:O_Ye8.14999$[email hidden]... > > Taken from racesimcentral : > > > > > > "According to Racingcorner.de website, the latest German PC ACTION > > gaming magazine reports that Grand Prix 4 will not contain an Internet > > multiplayer mode due to licensing issues. However a new multiplayer mode > is > > included, split screen for two players on one computer." > > > > > > > > Pffffftttttt hey Geoff, there is no excuse anymore. You are plain, > bloody, > > lazy and hypocrite for saying such above thing when in fact the real > reason > > is that your core engine can't synchronise cars together because you

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> > the reality of time instead of dropping frames. He won't ever admit it. > > > > Split screen? What year are we in, 1995? He's living in the past, as > > always... > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> > > -- http://www.ymenard.8m.com/ > > -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimato Dominguez > > Corporation - helping America into the New World... > > > > > > > >

David Lyttle wrote: > > Is multiplayer the be all and end all of sim racing. Personally I'd be > satisfied to have a high quality racing experience with a really excellent > AI. MP is only good if you're in North America or broadband areas of the > world. NASCAR 2002 uses 22k for each client. About the same for GPL too. I raced for years with a 28k modem, no problem at all! cheers Gerry

Understood, but as long as an AI isn't playing with the same physics as you, and none of them are, then MP is the only way to go........same phsysics for all then. Besides the fun factor of not racing code :) -John "David Lyttle" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> Is multiplayer the be all and end all of sim racing. Personally I'd be > satisfied to have a high quality racing experience with a really excellent > AI. MP is only good if you're in North America or broadband areas of the > world. > > "Ed Solheim" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:QM9f8.1336$[email hidden]... > > Well atleast it came out early... and saved me from looking more at

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Thats funny, because I've been racing from my living room in Norway on servers in America and Europe since - oh... about 1996... All the way from a 28.8k modem to the DSL-connection I got now... GPL gave us 20 car online-racing over 3 years ago - anyone who develope a sim today and fail to at least match that, isn't even trying in my book. -- ed_ "David Lyttle" <[email hidden]> skrev i melding news:[email hidden]... > Is multiplayer the be all and end all of sim racing. Personally I'd be > satisfied to have a high quality racing experience with a really excellent > AI. MP is only good if you're in North America or broadband areas of the > world. > > "Ed Solheim" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:QM9f8.1336$[email hidden]... > > Well atleast it came out early... and saved me from looking more at this > > title. > > Looks to me like GP4 wont make it into my HD either. > > > > When are these folks going to learn that online racing is the way to go?? > > > > -- > > ed_

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> Taken from racesimcentral : > > > "According to Racingcorner.de website, the latest German PC > ACTION > gaming magazine reports that Grand Prix 4 will not contain an > Internet multiplayer mode due to licensing issues.

<snip> Oh, for God's sake. What planet are these people on? Someone with some legal knowledge, please explain to me why it's impossible for Infogrames to sort something sensible out on this score. After all, TOCA, Colin McRae, GPL and NASCAR whatever have been playable over the net for years, yet this super-wonder-fabbo groundbreaking masterpiece (like GP3) is a load of utter stinking refuse in this department. Listen, Mr Crammond: It. Is. Not. Good. Enough. Got that? I've got GP3, which is addictive enough in its way, and frankly I have no intention whatever of buying GP4 unless it supports net play. You look utterly ridiculous in 2002. -- "After all, a mere thousand yards... such a harmless little knoll, really" - Raymond Mays on Shelsley Walsh. The GPL Scrapyard: bits 'n' bobs at http://www.hillclimbfan.f2s.com

Well said Ed... Ed Solheim <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:9rcf8.1436$[email hidden]... > Thats funny, because I've been racing from my living room in Norway on > servers in America and Europe since - oh... about 1996... All the wayfrom

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> > world. > > > > "Ed Solheim" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:QM9f8.1336$[email hidden]... > > > Well atleast it came out early... and saved me from looking more at > this > > > title. > > > Looks to me like GP4 wont make it into my HD either. > > > > > > When are these folks going to learn that online racing is the way to > go?? > > > > > > -- > > > ed_ > > >

>"David Lyttle" <[email hidden]> wrote > Is multiplayer the be all and end all of sim racing. Yes, it really is now David. It's a complicated issue, be sure of that. But the thing is, Geoff can't even model 2 guys going head-to-head. The purest and simple multiplayer you can think of. No talk about options, or community features, or dedicated server, just a plain human vs. another one. He's unable to do that! > MP is only good if you're in North America or broadband areas of the > world. Which is, everywhere around the world. Broadband is as easy to obtain elsewhere then in the USofA :) -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- http://www.ymenard.8m.com/ -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimato Dominguez Corporation - helping America into the New World...

David Buttery <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>... > Listen, Mr Crammond: It. Is. Not. Good. Enough. Got that? I've got GP3, > which is addictive enough in its way, and frankly I have no intention > whatever of buying GP4 unless it supports net play. You look utterly > ridiculous in 2002. Tell FIA that. Also, stop buying FIA-licensed games. Then if you're lucky, they'll care. I would imagine if I were a developer of a modern F1 sim, it would not include multiplayer support. That is, assuming that the licensing fees would exceed the amount of extra revenue generated by including the feature. Which is why we need a CART sim. Let's go Kaemmer, pull up those bootstraps and work on your aero models. Jason

"David Lyttle" <[email hidden]> wrote: > Is multiplayer the be all and end all of sim racing. Personally I'd be > satisfied to have a high quality racing experience with a really > excellent AI. MP is only good if you're in North America or broadband > areas of the world. I'm east coast USA and have had good GPL racing with fellows down under in Oz. I've also raced with fellows from Europe. Unless you are the host/server a dialup account is quite sufficent. While multiplayer is not all of my gaming, these days I cannot imagine buying a game w/o it - and haven't in a couple of years.

Why doesn't someone release a game without any real world names / brands / colours and let us to the mods to make it look how we want. Then they don't have to worry about licensing Just my two cents Jeff "David Buttery" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> ymenard ([email hidden]) wrote on 27 Feb 2002: > > > Taken from racesimcentral : > > > > > > "According to Racingcorner.de website, the latest German PC > > ACTION > > gaming magazine reports that Grand Prix 4 will not contain an > > Internet multiplayer mode due to licensing issues. > <snip> > > Oh, for God's sake. > > What planet are these people on? Someone with some legal knowledge, > please explain to me why it's impossible for Infogrames to sort > something sensible out on this score. > > After all, TOCA, Colin McRae, GPL and NASCAR whatever have been > playable over the net for years, yet this super-wonder-fabbo > groundbreaking masterpiece (like GP3) is a load of utter stinking > refuse in this department. > > Listen, Mr Crammond: It. Is. Not. Good. Enough. Got that? I've got GP3, > which is addictive enough in its way, and frankly I have no intention > whatever of buying GP4 unless it supports net play. You look utterly > ridiculous in 2002. > > -- > "After all, a mere thousand yards... such a harmless little knoll, > really" - Raymond Mays on Shelsley Walsh. > > The GPL Scrapyard: bits 'n' bobs at http://www.hillclimbfan.f2s.com

On 27 Feb 2002 20:17:39 -0800, [email hidden] (jason moyer) wrote: >Which is why we need a CART sim. Let's go Kaemmer, pull up those >bootstraps and work on your aero models. > >Jason I can imagine Sierra saying CART or GPL72 wouldn't sell enough, but why wouldn't they make a sports car sim? There's surely a big market for that, and with all the code they allready have from GPL and N2002 it wouldn't be that big of a project to make right? Andre

"David Lyttle" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Is multiplayer the be all and end all of sim racing. Personally I'd be > satisfied to have a high quality racing experience with a really excellent > AI. MP is only good if you're in North America or broadband areas of the > world. > It is to me, and I played GPL online with a 33.6 regularly until fairly recently. Ash - N.Ireland

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> "David Lyttle" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > Is multiplayer the be all and end all of sim racing. Personally I'd be > > satisfied to have a high quality racing experience with a really excellent > > AI. MP is only good if you're in North America or broadband areas of the > > world. > > > > It is to me, and I played GPL online with a 33.6 regularly until fairly > recently.

Yeah, what utter bollocks :) Until one week ago I was doing GPL races online with 20 people on my old 28.8 :) Stable. -- Olav K. Malmin remove .spam when replying

On 28 Feb 2002 11:26:07 +0100, [email hidden] (Olav K. Malmin) wrote: >Yeah, what utter bollocks :) Until one week ago I was doing GPL races >online with 20 people on my old 28.8 :) Stable. Even more, I have cable at home, but for important races I still use my 28k8 connection. Cable has 'hickups' sometimes, resulting in warps or even disco's. 28k8 is as stable as could be and fast enough for 20-player races. And when you're used to this kind of online racing it's -really- depressing to see that most racing sims released lately have no or shitty multiplayer :-/ Andre >-- >Olav K. Malmin >remove .spam when replying

Jeff ([email hidden]) wrote on 28 Feb 2002: > Why doesn't someone release a game without any real world names / > brands / colours and let us to the mods to make it look how we > want. Then they don't have to worry about licensing Monaco GP Racing Simulation 2? All right, it had the Monaco licence, but all the drivers & teams were fantasy. (Well, as it came out of the box they were...) -- "After all, a mere thousand yards... such a harmless little knoll, really" - Raymond Mays on Shelsley Walsh. The GPL Scrapyard: bits 'n' bobs at http://www.hillclimbfan.f2s.com

Andre Warringa ([email hidden]) wrote on 28 Feb 2002: > I can imagine Sierra saying CART or GPL72 wouldn't sell enough, but > why wouldn't they make a sports car sim? There's surely a big > market for that, and with all the code they allready have from GPL > and N2002 it wouldn't be that big of a project to make right? > > Andre I like it. They could call it... what? World Sports Cars? <g> -- "After all, a mere thousand yards... such a harmless little knoll, really" - Raymond Mays on Shelsley Walsh. The GPL Scrapyard: bits 'n' bobs at http://www.hillclimbfan.f2s.com

jason moyer ([email hidden]) wrote on 28 Feb 2002: > Tell FIA that. Done. (In a letter, as they don't appear to be contactable by email. No reply.) > Also, stop buying FIA-licensed games.<snip> Done. Haven't bought F1-2001, for example. -- "After all, a mere thousand yards... such a harmless little knoll, really" - Raymond Mays on Shelsley Walsh. The GPL Scrapyard: bits 'n' bobs at http://www.hillclimbfan.f2s.com

>"Jeff" <[email hidden]> wrote > Why doesn't someone release a game without any real world names / brands / > colours and let us to the mods to make it look how we want. Then theydon't > have to worry about licensing Because it was called MGPRS2 ;-) Oh and it still had crappy multiplayer! -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- http://www.ymenard.8m.com/ -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimato Dominguez Corporation - helping America into the New World...

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>Taken from racesimcentral : > > > "According to Racingcorner.de website, the latest German PC ACTION >gaming magazine reports that Grand Prix 4 will not contain an Internet >multiplayer mode due to licensing issues. However a new multiplayer mode >is >included, split screen for two players on one computer." >

Wow, split screen for two players!!! So who gets the wheel and who gets the keyboard? -- Peter Ives Remove ALL_STRESS only before sending me an email

On 28 Feb 2002 13:14:19 GMT, David Buttery <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>Andre Warringa ([email hidden]) wrote on 28 Feb >2002: > >> I can imagine Sierra saying CART or GPL72 wouldn't sell enough, but >> why wouldn't they make a sports car sim? There's surely a big >> market for that, and with all the code they allready have from GPL >> and N2002 it wouldn't be that big of a project to make right? >> >> Andre > >I like it. They could call it... what? World Sports Cars? <g>

Wait.. according the West Bro's, 'the future never looked better'.. Maybe Papy bought the license of WSC? Andre

jason moyer wrote: > Also, stop buying FIA-licensed games. Done.

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>Tell FIA that. Also, stop buying FIA-licensed games. Then if you're >lucky, they'll care. I would imagine if I were a developer of a >modern F1 sim, it would not include multiplayer support. That is, >assuming that the licensing fees would exceed the amount of extra >revenue generated by including the feature. > >Which is why we need a CART sim. Let's go Kaemmer, pull up those >bootstraps and work on your aero models.

You think a CART sim would be a viable MP sales platform, but F1 wouldn't? Why? Eldred -- Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPLRank - under construction... Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

In article <qfff8.15892$[email hidden]>, "ymenard" <[email hidden]> writes: >Yes, it really is now David. It's a complicated issue, be sure of that. >But the thing is, Geoff can't even model 2 guys going head-to-head. The >purest and simple multiplayer you can think of. No talk about options, or >community features, or dedicated server, just a plain human vs. another one. >He's unable to do that! Hell, even ABC Indy Car Racing supported THAT...<g> Eldred -- Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPLRank - under construction... Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

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> > >"David Lyttle" <[email hidden]> wrote > > Is multiplayer the be all and end all of sim racing. > > Yes, it really is now David. It's a complicated issue, be sure of that. > But the thing is, Geoff can't even model 2 guys going head-to-head. The > purest and simple multiplayer you can think of. No talk about options, or > community features, or dedicated server, just a plain human vs. another one. > He's unable to do that!

Well, the gaming mag PC Action mentioned network support for 8 players. Anyway, i'll just buy it for the excellent single player it provides... Only option, as EA has to much fantasy (at least their track designers), and UbiShot has no time for bug fixes. -- l8er ronny Your mouse has moved. Windows must be restarted for the change to take effect. Reboot now?

David Lyttle wrote: > > Is multiplayer the be all and end all of sim racing. Personally I'd be > satisfied to have a high quality racing experience with a really excellent > AI. MP is only good if you're in North America or broadband areas of the > world. You haven't lived until you've raced multiplayer. I think I could count on one hand the number of times I played N4 offline. Just not the same. -- Fester "Is it that we need a nobrainer Linux desktop OS for people with no brains or should people do a little more reading and smarten up?" from alt.linux.mandrake NG

"Uncle Fester" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > David Lyttle wrote: > > > > Is multiplayer the be all and end all of sim racing. Personally I'd be > > satisfied to have a high quality racing experience with a reallyexcellent > > AI. MP is only good if you're in North America or broadband areas ofthe > > world. > > > You haven't lived until you've raced multiplayer. I think I could count > on one hand the number of times I played N4 offline. Just not the same. > But if you have only limited time for simming, and strange hours, then the offline experience is quite important. Stephen

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> > "Uncle Fester" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > > You haven't lived until you've raced multiplayer. I think I could count > > on one hand the number of times I played N4 offline. Just not the same. > > > > But if you have only limited time for simming, and strange hours, then the > offline experience is quite important.

Don't know about that. I only have about an hour a night to race, from about 11:30pm to 12:30am EST. Can't get a whole lot more limited or strange hours than that. <g> -- Fester "Is it that we need a nobrainer Linux desktop OS for people with no brains or should people do a little more reading and smarten up?" from alt.linux.mandrake NG

Could someone please direct me to whoever it is can confim *on the record* that the lack of onlineracing in F1-games is due to a licencing issues from the FIA...?? And also perhaps tell why the heck FIA would have anything again this from of racing..? -- ed_ "jason moyer" said: > > Tell FIA that. Also, stop buying FIA-licensed games. Then if you're > lucky, they'll care. I would imagine if I were a developer of a > modern F1 sim, it would not include multiplayer support. That is, > assuming that the licensing fees would exceed the amount of extra > revenue generated by including the feature.

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> > > jason moyer wrote: > > > > Also, stop buying FIA-licensed games. > > Done.

Ditto. -- ed_

On Fri, 1 Mar 2002 15:21:21 +0100, "Ed Solheim" <[email hidden]> wrote: >Could someone please direct me to whoever it is can confim *on the record* >that the lack of onlineracing in F1-games is due to a licencing issues from >the FIA...?? > >And also perhaps tell why the heck FIA would have anything again this from >of racing..? Well that's quite obivous. Look at what GPL did for the interest in historical F1. Many people never heard of Clark or the Ring before GPL (included me) and now people order historical tapes from DukeVideo, buy Lotus49 scale models and discuss 30-year old races. Just imagine what a good multiplayer F1 sim would do. Even more people would get interested in F1, visit races, buy F1 videos and scale models.. very understandable the FIA only allows shitty 4-player maximum multiplayer. Andre

In article <[email hidden]>, "Stephen F." <[email hidden]> writes: >> You haven't lived until you've raced multiplayer. I think I could count >> on one hand the number of times I played N4 offline. Just not the same. >> > >But if you have only limited time for simming, and strange hours, then the >offline experience is quite important. I'd think that with a GLOBAL community, you could ALWAYS find someone online... Strange hours for YOU might be someone else's prime gaming time. Eldred -- Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPLRank - under construction... Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

"Andre Warringa" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > On Fri, 1 Mar 2002 15:21:21 +0100, "Ed Solheim" > <[email hidden]> wrote: > > >Could someone please direct me to whoever it is can confim *on therecord* > >that the lack of onlineracing in F1-games is due to a licencing issuesfrom > >the FIA...?? > > > >And also perhaps tell why the heck FIA would have anything again thisfrom

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> >of racing..? > > Well that's quite obivous. Look at what GPL did for the interest in > historical F1. Many people never heard of Clark or the Ring before GPL > (included me) and now people order historical tapes from DukeVideo, > buy Lotus49 scale models and discuss 30-year old races. > > Just imagine what a good multiplayer F1 sim would do. Even more people > would get interested in F1, visit races, buy F1 videos and scale > models.. very understandable the FIA only allows shitty 4-player > maximum multiplayer. > > Andre

F1 has a worldwide audience approaching a billion over the course of the season (depending on whose creative math you believe). Somehow I don't think the sale of the game will make much difference, as 90% of those buying a modern F1 game buy it *because* it is modern F1 and they already know the whole scene. Stephen

On Fri, 1 Mar 2002 16:42:41 +0100, "Stephen F." <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>F1 has a worldwide audience approaching a billion over the course of the >season (depending on whose creative math you believe). Somehow I don't >think the sale of the game will make much difference, as 90% of those buying >a modern F1 game buy it *because* it is modern F1 and they already know the >whole scene. > >Stephen

At least it would gain extra interest in F1, no matter how much. That's positive. Now name me a negative side of good multiplayer in an F1 sim.. Andre

I don't believe it took this long for you all to realise this! I had F1GP on my Amiga, and at the time it was an excellent piece of programming, and I waited eagerly for GP2 to be released. When it came out (PC only), I was so disappointed because the overall feel of the game was the same, just a graphical update. Now we have realistic weather (and a nice reflection idea on the track), but the limits still remain - only 6 gears, only 16 races a season, etc. It seems as if he made a bunch of assumptions during coding the first game which he now cannot go back and change because they have worked their way into all of his code. Thats why it takes soooo long to make tiny changes. He needs to kill the source and start again. Trust me, I do software engineering, this is a common problem. And I stand by the fact that any game where you can be successful using the keys is not realistic in any way, and any game where you can start at the back of the grid in the worst car and be top-6 by the end of lap 1 is definitely appaling. Lets appeal to Papyrus to take their GPL engine, stop putting it in Nascar, and place it in a new F1 game, just so we can A) have a decent F1 game, and B) see just how bad GP3 really is as a simulation.

ymenard wrote:

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>>"Jeff" <[email hidden]> wrote >> Why doesn't someone release a game without any real world names / brands >> / >> colours and let us to the mods to make it look how we want. Then they > don't >> have to worry about licensing > > > Because it was called MGPRS2 ;-) > > > Oh and it still had crappy multiplayer! > >

AND I'm still waiting for it to be patched into real usability offline. KFG

"Stephen F." wrote: > F1 has a worldwide audience approaching a billion over the course of the > season (depending on whose creative math you believe). Somehow I don't > think the sale of the game will make much difference, as 90% of those buying > a modern F1 game buy it *because* it is modern F1 and they already know the > whole scene. Yes, but F1 is understandably intent on building up the interest in the United States. I've got to think that an increased gaming presence here in the U.S. can only help the FIA meet those aims. I, for one, have had my interest in autosports greatly re-kindled since I began racing sims many years ago. Sims are a terrific marketing tool to reach a whole new fan base and any attempts to limit that are severely short-sighted. Dave Ewing -- ***************************************************** David A. Ewing Xilinx Boulder [email hidden] *****************************************************

The public might discover that it actually is virtually impossible to pass in F1 and that the racing itself is quite boring? <G!> Or scenario two... the public find racing it more interesting than watching it on the tube :-) "Andre Warringa" said: > At least it would gain extra interest in F1, no matter how much. > That's positive. Now name me a negative side of good multiplayer in an > F1 sim..

Lol! Don't know, but I know who gets the shaft..........<G> -John "Peter Ives" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> In article <O_Ye8.14999$[email hidden]>, > ymenard <[email hidden]> writes > >Taken from racesimcentral : > > > > > > "According to Racingcorner.de website, the latest German PC ACTION > >gaming magazine reports that Grand Prix 4 will not contain an Internet > >multiplayer mode due to licensing issues. However a new multiplayer mode > >is > >included, split screen for two players on one computer." > > > Wow, split screen for two players!!! So who gets the wheel and who > gets the keyboard? > -- > Peter Ives > Remove ALL_STRESS only before sending me an email

David Lyttle wrote: > > Is multiplayer the be all and end all of sim racing. Personally I'd be > satisfied to have a high quality racing experience with a really excellent > AI. MP is only good if you're in North America or broadband areas of the > world. > In 2002? YES! Can you even use the word "sim" to refer to a racing "game" that doesn't have multiplay in 2002? NO! The Forbes rule :- Sim Factor = Everything else * Multiplay Quality where Sim Factor = Sim Quality (Max = 100) Everything Else = All Factors apart from Multiplay (Max = 100) Multiplay Quality = Obvious (As a %) Note I - A Multiplay Quality of 0 -> Sim Factor of 0 :)))))))) Note II - To qualify for a Multiplay Quality score you must have a min of 20 cars online (Slightly negotiable) Copyright 2002 :))))))))))

Or just anything besides Nascar. "Nick" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> I don't believe it took this long for you all to realise this! I had > F1GP on my Amiga, and at the time it was an excellent piece of > programming, and I waited eagerly for GP2 to be released. When it came > out (PC only), I was so disappointed because the overall feel of the > game was the same, just a graphical update. Now we have realistic > weather (and a nice reflection idea on the track), but the limits > still remain - only 6 gears, only 16 races a season, etc. > > It seems as if he made a bunch of assumptions during coding the first > game which he now cannot go back and change because they have worked > their way into all of his code. Thats why it takes soooo long to make > tiny changes. He needs to kill the source and start again. Trust me, I > do software engineering, this is a common problem. > > And I stand by the fact that any game where you can be successful > using the keys is not realistic in any way, and any game where you can > start at the back of the grid in the worst car and be top-6 by the end > of lap 1 is definitely appaling. Lets appeal to Papyrus to take their > GPL engine, stop putting it in Nascar, and place it in a new F1 game, > just so we can A) have a decent F1 game, and B) see just how bad GP3 > really is as a simulation.

"Ed Solheim" <[email hidden]> writes: > The public might discover that it actually is virtually impossible to pass > in F1 and that the racing itself is quite boring? <G!> > > Or scenario two... the public find racing it more interesting than watching > it on the tube :-) And according to our good friend DGF, we are not good enough simracers to do a 20 car modern F1 online field. :)

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> > "Andre Warringa" said: > > > At least it would gain extra interest in F1, no matter how much. > > That's positive. Now name me a negative side of good multiplayer in an > > F1 sim.. > > >

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In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden] (Olav K. Malmin) writes: >And according to our good friend DGF, we are not good enough simracers >to do a 20 car modern F1 online field. :) I've actually begun to agree with that. Modern F1 cars are on such a fine edge, you don't get the 'fudge factor' that you do with GPL or NASCAR. Eldred -- Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPLRank - under construction... Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

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> > In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden] > (Olav K. Malmin) writes: > > >And according to our good friend DGF, we are not good enough simracers > >to do a 20 car modern F1 online field. :) > > I've actually begun to agree with that. Modern F1 cars are on such a fine > edge, you don't get the 'fudge factor' that you do with GPL or NASCAR.

Agreed, they just don't translate into very good racing sims. IMO my course! Gerry

I'm not that far behind on this issue... after watching the race on Sunday (my frist in a long time I think) - I must say that the F1 cars (and thus the way you drive them) have become a total joke. There's more driving aids (i.e. cheats) in those cars than it's in all the F1 "sims" put togeter.. And then there the tracks.. - Yyaaawn! As a good friend put it: Gear up gear up gear up gear up gear up gear up - gear down gear down gear down gear down gear down gear down - gear up gear up gear up gear up gear up gear up - gear down gear down gear down gear down gear down gear down - gear up gear up gear up gear up gear up gear up - gear down gear down gear down gear down gear down gear down... etc. etc. -- ed_ "Gerry Aitken" said: > > Agreed, they just don't translate into very good racing sims. IMO my > course!

Ed Solheim wrote: > I'm not that far behind on this issue... after watching the race on Sunday > (my frist in a long time I think) - I must say that the F1 cars (and thus > the way you drive them) have become a total joke. There's more driving > aids (i.e. cheats) in those cars than it's in all the F1 "sims" put > togeter.. And then there the tracks.. - Yyaaawn! I hate to break it to you guys, but CART cars are going to have traction control this year, too! And let me get this straight, you found the Australian GP boring?!? Dave Ewing -- ***************************************************** David A. Ewing Xilinx Boulder [email hidden] *****************************************************

"David Ewing" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Ed Solheim wrote: > > > I'm not that far behind on this issue... after watching the race onSunday > > (my frist in a long time I think) - I must say that the F1 cars (andthus

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> > the way you drive them) have become a total joke. There's more driving > > aids (i.e. cheats) in those cars than it's in all the F1 "sims" put > > togeter.. And then there the tracks.. - Yyaaawn! > > I hate to break it to you guys, but CART cars are going to have traction > control this year, too! > > And let me get this straight, you found the Australian GP boring?!? > > Dave Ewing

Those aids really helped Lauda when he took out the Jaguars for a test. He had a hell of a time apparently. David G Fisher

"David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:A6Tg8.259428

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> "David Ewing" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > Ed Solheim wrote: > > > > > I'm not that far behind on this issue... after watching the race on > Sunday > > > (my frist in a long time I think) - I must say that the F1 cars (and > thus > > > the way you drive them) have become a total joke. There's more

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> > > aids (i.e. cheats) in those cars than it's in all the F1 "sims" put > > > togeter.. And then there the tracks.. - Yyaaawn! > > > > I hate to break it to you guys, but CART cars are going to have traction > > control this year, too! > > > > And let me get this straight, you found the Australian GP boring?!? > > > > Dave Ewing > > Those aids really helped Lauda when he took out the Jaguars for a test. He > had a hell of a time apparently. > > David G Fisher

It really bothered me when the commentators (I think it was the British feed, it was on the Canadian channel TSN) kept harping on how "his car shouldn't have let him spin, the traction control must have failed or his tire must have been flat" when Trulli spun in front of Michael. Car shouldn't have LET him spin?!? Who's driving, anyway?

David Ewing wrote: > > And let me get this straight, you found the Australian GP boring?!? So where did I say that?

On Tue, 05 Mar 2002 00:32:47 +0000, Gerry Aitken <[email hidden]> wrote:

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> > >David Ewing wrote: > >> >> And let me get this straight, you found the Australian GP boring?!? > >So where did I say that?

Is your name Ed? :) Andre

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> > On Tue, 05 Mar 2002 00:32:47 +0000, Gerry Aitken > <[email hidden]> wrote: > > > > > > >David Ewing wrote: > > > >> > >> And let me get this straight, you found the Australian GP boring?!? > > > >So where did I say that? > > Is your name Ed? :)

Ed and I were agreeing with each other, the gentleman then addressed us BOTH thus, "I hate to break it to you guys, but CART cars are going to have traction control this year, too!" And continued with, "And let me get this straight, you found the Australian GP boring?!?", without defining whether he was still addressing us both or just Ed. And because he hadn't redefined, he was therefor still addressing us both. ;) Gerry

Gerry Aitken wrote: > David Ewing wrote: > > > > > And let me get this straight, you found the Australian GP boring?!? > > So where did I say that? My reply was to Ed Solheim's post, not yours, Gerry. Dave Ewing -- ***************************************************** David A. Ewing Xilinx Boulder [email hidden] *****************************************************

Gerry Aitken wrote: > Ed and I were agreeing with each other, the gentleman then addressed us > BOTH thus, "I hate to break it to you guys, but CART cars are going to > have traction control this year, too!" Huh? I just replied to Ed's post who went on and on about how boring F1 was, in part due to the aids. "You guys" was used generically for all the CART fans on the newsgroup who are always bashing F1. > And continued with, "And let me get this straight, you found the > Australian GP boring?!?", without defining whether he was still > addressing us both or just Ed. And because he hadn't redefined, he was > therefor still addressing us both. ;) That's a stretch. Dave Ewing -- ***************************************************** David A. Ewing Xilinx Boulder [email hidden] *****************************************************

"Rob Adams" <[email hidden]> wrote in news:ftTg8.6312$Qq1.31589@shaw-ty2: > It really bothered me when the commentators (I think it was the > British feed, it was on the Canadian channel TSN) kept harping on how > "his car shouldn't have let him spin, the traction control must have > failed or his tire must have been flat" when Trulli spun in front of > Michael. Car shouldn't have LET him spin?!? Who's driving, anyway? > The point being that at that part of the turn, with or without traction control, it should not have been possible to spin in that way, unless something mechanical went awry. In this case, the theory was that the traction control stopped working halfway through the corner, meaning a complete change in character of the cars handling mid turn. Trulli would likely have no problem taking that turn with or without traction control. Apparently Webber had no TC for most of the race. cheers John

"David Ewing" wrote: > > My reply was to Ed Solheim's post, not yours, Gerry. > > Dave Ewing Then please let me reply... (sorry 'bout the delay - oh, and please forgive the OT-content (Hi Tom!) :-) Yes, I'm aware that they've allowed traction control in CART - and no - I dont like it... IMHO, with all these things they are about to change in CART will screw the whole thing up... Why fix it - if it aint broken??? I also predict that this is the beginning of the end for CART.... some years from now America will be down to one "top notch" open-wheeler class... My guess is that it will probably feature 3.5 litre atmo-engines, traction control and dear I say it..... "flat bottoms". It will also race on types of tracks... ovals, road-courses, streets circuits and Indy - and then we all know who won. As for the race in Melbourne.... sure those opening laps were something different... (did someone steal the red-flag?) ... but once DC had made a fool of himself and MS found a way passed Monty-boy - the race was over. How many laps the exictment last this time... 15 perhaps? Man - I miss Senna. -- ed_

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> "Rob Adams" <[email hidden]> wrote in > news:ftTg8.6312$Qq1.31589@shaw-ty2: > > > It really bothered me when the commentators (I think it was the > > British feed, it was on the Canadian channel TSN) kept harping on how > > "his car shouldn't have let him spin, the traction control must have > > failed or his tire must have been flat" when Trulli spun in front of > > Michael. Car shouldn't have LET him spin?!? Who's driving, anyway? > > > > The point being that at that part of the turn, with or without traction > control, it should not have been possible to spin in that way, unless > something mechanical went awry. In this case, the theory was that the > traction control stopped working halfway through the corner, meaning a > complete change in character of the cars handling mid turn. Trulli would > likely have no problem taking that turn with or without traction control. > Apparently Webber had no TC for most of the race.

Can't it be that he went just a little too fast for the grip level provided by that part of the track -he was not on the racing line- ? Bart Westra