N2002 drafting

Is there some more info on the net about drafting on ovals? I'm having a bit of trouble with this. In f1 sims it's no problem, simply drive behind another car untill really close, then overtake. But in N2002 it all seems to be a bit more complicated. Sometimes I'm driving behind a car and I simply won't go faster than him, the next corner suddenly I seem to get a massive boost and I fly by him. It's not clear to me how I can use the drafting to the fullest. It gets even more complicated with a couple of cars in front of me. Yesterday for example there was a car to the front-left and a car to the front-right. I passed them in the middle and I got a major boost. I don't see the logic, I would have expected more drafting power if I would drive behind either one of the cars instead of driving behind the middle of those 2 cars.. I studied the included drafting lesson, but a bit more in-depth info would be appreciated :) Andre

Andre, this is a wide open subject and you're likely to get a lot of advice. Mine is simply to get out there and get experience. Drafting works different ways in different situations, a 2x2 pack will work differently than a line of 1x4, and so on. I learned by simply getting into the different situations online and seeing what works and what doesn't. My only technical advice is to learn to drag on the brake instead of lifting off the gas when closing on someone that you aren't going to pass. This keeps the RPMs up in the engine and will slow you enough to tuck in under their fin (not too close online, the collision detection is not world class in the sim). I find that I have to drag on the brakes a fair amount when nose to tail in a pack trying to 'pass the laps' and wait for closer to the end to make a move. And when you get ready to make your move to the front (say, you're in second place) its best to almost wait until the very last minute to go for the win. Making a move off T2 on the last lap, almost assures that you we be repassed in the T3-T4 area as the guy(s) fall into your draft and slingshot back by you. IF you are in a line of 3 or 4, even this may not be true. Did they go with you on your move or hang you out? Thats drafting racing...the best thing you can try to learn is how to stay right behind someone, in their tracks, for laps at the time. This is how you can catch someone if behind and how you pull away if out front, I think its autochat #7 that says 'Stay in line and work together.', LOL! It's true. Everything else is split second decisions based on experience or your best guesstimate. Andre Warringa <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> Is there some more info on the net about drafting on ovals? > I'm having a bit of trouble with this. In f1 sims it's no problem, > simply drive behind another car untill really close, then overtake. > > But in N2002 it all seems to be a bit more complicated. Sometimes I'm > driving behind a car and I simply won't go faster than him, the next > corner suddenly I seem to get a massive boost and I fly by him. > It's not clear to me how I can use the drafting to the fullest. > > It gets even more complicated with a couple of cars in front of me. > Yesterday for example there was a car to the front-left and a car to > the front-right. I passed them in the middle and I got a major boost. > I don't see the logic, I would have expected more drafting power if I > would drive behind either one of the cars instead of driving behind > the middle of those 2 cars.. > > I studied the included drafting lesson, but a bit more in-depth info > would be appreciated :) > > Andre

On Wed, 27 Feb 2002 16:20:58 GMT, "CarGuy" <[email hidden]> wrote: >My only technical advice is to learn to drag on the brake instead of lifting >off the gas when closing on someone that you aren't going to pass. Thanks, that post was a good read. Indeed I let go off the gas in this situation, I'll try the brake technique tonight :) Very hard to find good technical info about drafting on the net btw :-/ Andre

Tim Wheatley had a "Drafting guide" in his race sim central forum, but I�m not sure if it�s still online. Maybe mail him? greets "Andre Warringa" <[email hidden]> schrieb im Newsbeitrag news:[email hidden]... > On Wed, 27 Feb 2002 16:20:58 GMT, "CarGuy" <[email hidden]> > wrote: > > >My only technical advice is to learn to drag on the brake instead oflifting

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> >off the gas when closing on someone that you aren't going to pass. > > Thanks, that post was a good read. Indeed I let go off the gas in this > situation, I'll try the brake technique tonight :) > > Very hard to find good technical info about drafting on the net btw > :-/ > > Andre

See my comments inline below: [email hidden] (Andre Warringa) wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>... > But in N2002 it all seems to be a bit more complicated. Sometimes I'm > driving behind a car and I simply won't go faster than him, the next > corner suddenly I seem to get a massive boost and I fly by him. > It's not clear to me how I can use the drafting to the fullest. Perhaps you are taking air off the spoiler of the car ahead and making it loose, and therefore it cant get full power off the corner? Your car isn't made loose, and can put down full power. Just a guess. Don't know how accurately, if at all, Papy models this in their games. > It gets even more complicated with a couple of cars in front of me. > Yesterday for example there was a car to the front-left and a car to > the front-right. I passed them in the middle and I got a major boost. > I don't see the logic, I would have expected more drafting power if I > would drive behind either one of the cars instead of driving behind > the middle of those 2 cars.. At high speeds, the "cone" of highly disturbed air begins at the front bumper, and expands laterally from there. This is why (in N4 and NR2002) you can stick about 1/2 of your front grill out to the side of the car you are drafting and not break the draft. When you go between two cars, and they are close enough together, it is like you have never left the draft at all. I would hypothesize that the air betwenn two cars racing side-by-side like this is also more turbulent than the air immediately behind either one of them, and therefore provides an even greater draft. One other general observation: I get the impression that the further back in a train you are, the more pronounced will be the drafting effect. HTH, Gerald

Dragging on the brake as Simracer said is the key IMO. You should never lift, but drag the brake, sometimes you may need to press quite hard. That's how it's done in the actual races too most of the time. -John "Andre Warringa" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > On Wed, 27 Feb 2002 16:20:58 GMT, "CarGuy" <[email hidden]> > wrote: > > >My only technical advice is to learn to drag on the brake instead oflifting

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> >off the gas when closing on someone that you aren't going to pass. > > Thanks, that post was a good read. Indeed I let go off the gas in this > situation, I'll try the brake technique tonight :) > > Very hard to find good technical info about drafting on the net btw > :-/ > > Andre

Unless there is a wreck or an almost wreck I never lift I just use the brake and when drafting and staying in line it doesn't take much.... its a technique that ya just gotta learn :) "John Pancoast" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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| Dragging on the brake as Simracer said is the key IMO. You should never | lift, but drag the brake, sometimes you may need to press quite hard. | That's how it's done in the actual races too most of the time. | | -John | | | "Andre Warringa" <[email hidden]> wrote in message | news:[email hidden]... | > On Wed, 27 Feb 2002 16:20:58 GMT, "CarGuy" <[email hidden]> | > wrote: | > | > >My only technical advice is to learn to drag on the brake instead of | lifting | > >off the gas when closing on someone that you aren't going to pass. | > | > Thanks, that post was a good read. Indeed I let go off the gas in this | > situation, I'll try the brake technique tonight :) | > | > Very hard to find good technical info about drafting on the net btw | > :-/ | > | > Andre | | |

Yep, exactly. But SS races stink anyway. Short tracks dammit! :) -John "Blake" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:Fgaf8.232331$[email hidden]... > Unless there is a wreck or an almost wreck I never lift I just use thebrake and when drafting and staying in line it doesn't take > much.... its a technique that ya just gotta learn :) > > > "John Pancoast" <[email hidden]> wrote in messagenews:[email hidden]... > | Dragging on the brake as Simracer said is the key IMO. You shouldnever

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> | lift, but drag the brake, sometimes you may need to press quite hard. > | That's how it's done in the actual races too most of the time. > | > | -John > | > | > | "Andre Warringa" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > | news:[email hidden]... > | > On Wed, 27 Feb 2002 16:20:58 GMT, "CarGuy" <[email hidden]> > | > wrote: > | > > | > >My only technical advice is to learn to drag on the brake instead of > | lifting > | > >off the gas when closing on someone that you aren't going to pass. > | > > | > Thanks, that post was a good read. Indeed I let go off the gas in this > | > situation, I'll try the brake technique tonight :) > | > > | > Very hard to find good technical info about drafting on the net btw > | > :-/ > | > > | > Andre > | > | > | > >

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> Is there some more info on the net about drafting on ovals? > I'm having a bit of trouble with this. In f1 sims it's no problem, > simply drive behind another car untill really close, then overtake. > > But in N2002 it all seems to be a bit more complicated. Sometimes I'm > driving behind a car and I simply won't go faster than him, the next > corner suddenly I seem to get a massive boost and I fly by him. > It's not clear to me how I can use the drafting to the fullest. > > It gets even more complicated with a couple of cars in front of me. > Yesterday for example there was a car to the front-left and a car to > the front-right. I passed them in the middle and I got a major boost. > I don't see the logic, I would have expected more drafting power if I > would drive behind either one of the cars instead of driving behind > the middle of those 2 cars.. >

As G. Moore said you get sucked along by >both< of their draft cones in this situation. That said they still seem a little too wide still (narrower than in previous NASCAR games tho). In addition the physics of the AI cars is different from yours: generally, they will enter a turn faster than you but you can beat them coming out of the turn. Depends on the track and how the .ini file has modeled the AI at that track... John DiFool

Thanks for the Tim Wheatly tip, I found it: http://forum.racesimcentral.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=10351&highlight=drafting Andre

John Pancoast <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Yep, exactly. But SS races stink anyway. > Short tracks dammit! :) > > -John > > Yup, and another roadie or two (real or imagined) would be nice. I've worn out St Jovite in N4 just because I am almost tired of SP and WG...another reason I keep NASCAR Legends installed, all the shorties and Riverside. Even with inferior graphics and physics, they are fun. Even tho I am an admitted NASCAR fan/racer, I will also admit that real racers CAN turn right too ;) At least they updated the T4 area of SP so it'll be kinda new for a few races in 2002. :) Back OT, though, I don't like SS's and drafting either. While there is some skill required to do it right, it is almost as much luck as to where you end up when it comes time to try and move forward late in the race. The close proximity to other racers also lends itself to some big messes, a lot like real life. I can draft, I have managed some wins and good finishes in online drafting/plate races, but it still doesn't mean I have to like it, hehe. The new Coca Cola track on the other hand, was made for folks like me that wouldn't mind big tracks if you eliminate (somewhat) the luck required by taking the plates off. (Sound familiar? Try replaying your last taped NASCAR plate race, post-race interviews, OR any interview with DE about plate racing, LOL!) I don't blame NASCAR, I wouldn't want a good seat at Daytona and Talladega and then get killed by an airborne car flying over the fence, I just hate the resulting type of racing.

Just a note opr two on Gerald's good advice see them inline below: Gerald Moore <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > See my comments inline below: > > [email hidden] (Andre Warringa) wrote in messagenews:<[email hidden]>...

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> > But in N2002 it all seems to be a bit more complicated. Sometimes I'm > > driving behind a car and I simply won't go faster than him, the next > > corner suddenly I seem to get a massive boost and I fly by him. > > It's not clear to me how I can use the drafting to the fullest. > > Perhaps you are taking air off the spoiler of the car ahead and making > it loose, and therefore it cant get full power off the corner? Your > car isn't made loose, and can put down full power. Just a guess. > Don't know how accurately, if at all, Papy models this in their games.

Depends on setup, sometimes the front car can actually get a 'push' if entering in a line. If a car appraoches a lead car just at the corner entrance then the rear car can force air under the lead car's rear and cause it to be 'loose' by unweighting the rear some. Both conditions would cause a leader to slow even while matting the gas pedal. These seem to be realistic in the sim.

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> > > It gets even more complicated with a couple of cars in front of me. > > Yesterday for example there was a car to the front-left and a car to > > the front-right. I passed them in the middle and I got a major boost. > > I don't see the logic, I would have expected more drafting power if I > > would drive behind either one of the cars instead of driving behind > > the middle of those 2 cars.. > > At high speeds, the "cone" of highly disturbed air begins at the front > bumper, and expands laterally from there. This is why (in N4 and > NR2002) you can stick about 1/2 of your front grill out to the side of > the car you are drafting and not break the draft. When you go between > two cars, and they are close enough together, it is like you have > never left the draft at all.

AND, peeking out from behind if not the lead car is the only way to cool a warming engine if you have been behind someone in the draft a while and are running too much tape. This is also why one gears for the draft, not for running alone. You gear to run alone and end up drafting, your tach will blink at you all the way around a SS. > I would hypothesize that the air betwenn two cars racing side-by-side > like this is also more turbulent than the air immediately behind > either one of them, and therefore provides an even greater draft. The 2 outside cars are bearing the brunt of the air 'resistance' and the 'middle' car can drive right through if enough room is there, almost unaffected by wind until he breaks through and out of the 'cone'. I don't know if the air is acutally more turbulent or if there is just less air there since there would be 2 overlapping 'cones'. > One other general observation: I get the impression that the further > back in a train you are, the more pronounced will be the drafting > effect. Possibly, I find I have to ride the brakes when I am not first in line period. More cars in line will equal more speed for sure tho, I hooked up in a 'lead pack' line of 5 cars in a pickup race online the other evening with about 22 guys in the event. We left several smaller packs behind as they jostled about. We top 5 stayed in line and had built-up nearly 10 seconds on the '2nd' pack by race's end. Had a good shootout at the end with 5th place with 1 to go taking the win...it was a fixed setup race and no one wrecked so it was a shining example of how lining up does work. Had the chase pack lined up, I bet with 6 or 7 guys trying, they could have run us down. > HTH, > Gerald

On Wed, 27 Feb 2002 22:20:44 +0100, Andre Warringa <[email hidden]> wrote: >Thanks for the Tim Wheatly tip, I found it: >http://forum.racesimcentral.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=10351&highlight=drafting > >Andre Short but very clear guide, confirming everything that has been said in this thread. Just had my first race at Daytona (90%), skipped quali so started at #43. Lap after lap I gained positions. At lap 20 I was at #17, with 2 cars in front of me, but there I had a problem because the rest of the pack had allready separated from my pack. Then I made a mistake, I tried to pass a car on the outside. I just couldn't make the pass, but before I could get back in line an AI car passed me on the inner side. And then it happened: a whole train of cars passed me on the inside, I couldn't do anything.. 2 laps later and I was back at #43 :-/ Lap 26 I made a stupid pass, touched an AI car, a second later there was nothing left of my car. The crash also took out 12 AI cars.. I'll practice some more before going online :) Tapping the brake instead of letting go of the gas works great indeed. Btw, drafting at Daytona works much better than at Coca Cola. This is because the drafting effect simply becomes less at higher speeds? Andre

On Wed, 27 Feb 2002 21:53:04 GMT, "CarGuy" <[email hidden]> wrote: >Yup, and another roadie or two (real or imagined) would be nice. I've worn >out St Jovite in N4 just because I am almost tired of SP and WG...another >reason I keep NASCAR Legends installed, all the shorties and Riverside. Even >with inferior graphics and physics, they are fun. Even tho I am an admitted >NASCAR fan/racer, I will also admit that real racers CAN turn right too ;) Indeed.. Goy, Scott, any news about the conversions for N2002? >Back OT, though, I don't like SS's and drafting either. While there is some >skill required to do it right, it is almost as much luck as to where you end >up when it comes time to try and move forward late in the race. The close I think I can allready agree with this.. so much factors are involved in a long distance race, especially with the drafting much luck seems to be involved at the end of the race. But the drafting is damn fun in a close pack. And I tried a race at Darlington yesterday, but I'll try to master the SS's first before going to that track-from-hell again :) Andre

>"Andre Warringa" <[email hidden]> wrote > Indeed.. Goy, Scott, any news about the conversions for N2002? Well I can't speak for them, but there is already some work being done on N4 tracks converted to NR2002. That Zoltis track and the 5-mile superspeedway are already in "beta" form for NR2002. Somehow, the people will soon catchup with the little differences in track and file format I would say. -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- http://www.ymenard.8m.com/ -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimato Dominguez Corporation - helping America into the New World...

On Wed, 27 Feb 2002 20:08:25 -0500, "ymenard" <[email hidden]> wrote: >Well I can't speak for them, but there is already some work being done on N4 >tracks converted to NR2002. That Zoltis track and the 5-mile superspeedway >are already in "beta" form for NR2002. Somehow, the people will soon >catchup with the little differences in track and file format I would say. Zoltis.. don't know that one, is it a road track? Is the beta available for public download somewere? Andre

>"Andre Warringa" <[email hidden]> wrote > Zoltis.. don't know that one, is it a road track? Is the beta > available for public download somewere? Nah it's a superspeedway. http://forum.racesimcentral.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=16913 -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- http://www.ymenard.8m.com/ -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimato Dominguez Corporation - helping America into the New World...

If anything, it is even more pronounced. I think the reason you don't notice it as much is because the cars have greater acceleration off the corners when the motor is unrestricted. The lead car can accelerate, so the drafting car's advantage is mitigated somewhat. You see the same things at Atlanta and Michigan. The draft is there, it's just harder to notice. Gerald Andre Warringa <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>... > Btw, drafting at Daytona works much better than at Coca Cola. This is > because the drafting effect simply becomes less at higher speeds? > > Andre

Andre Warringa wrote: > > Indeed.. Goy, Scott, any news about the conversions for N2002? The guys who know about this stuff is working on it, that's all I can say, but they do sound optimistic.....the future is bright, the future is Orange :-) Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy "The Pits" http://www.theuspits.com/ "Animation isn't the illusion of life; it is life" --Chuck Jones (1912-2002)--

On Thu, 28 Feb 2002 16:06:48 +0100, Goy Larsen <[email hidden]> wrote:

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> > >Andre Warringa wrote: >> >> Indeed.. Goy, Scott, any news about the conversions for N2002? > >The guys who know about this stuff is working on it, that's all I can >say, but they do sound optimistic.....the future is bright, the future >is Orange :-)

The future is Orange.. is that a Swedish expression or is there a hint hidden somewhere inside? Don't forget to tell the guys we (well I at least) also would like to see Riverside in N2002 :) Andre

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> > On Thu, 28 Feb 2002 16:06:48 +0100, Goy Larsen <[email hidden]> wrote: > > > > > > >Andre Warringa wrote: > >> > >> Indeed.. Goy, Scott, any news about the conversions for N2002? > > > >The guys who know about this stuff is working on it, that's all I can > >say, but they do sound optimistic.....the future is bright, the future > >is Orange :-) > > The future is Orange.. is that a Swedish expression or is there a hint > hidden somewhere inside? Don't forget to tell the guys we (well I at > least) also would like to see Riverside in N2002 :)

Swedish !!!! What's with the personal insults here all of a sudden, first I'm being compared to Scott Husted, now it's being hinted that I'm Swedish.....this hurts Actually, it's an ad for a phone company, Orange, I think, something that just popped into my mind when I wrote "the future is bright", bit like that song you can't get out of your head, which btw is "ooops I did it again" right now, they played it on the radio when I was out driving a little while ago, cruel and inhumane punishment for someone with my music taste :-) Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy "The Pits" http://www.theuspits.com/ "Animation isn't the illusion of life; it is life" --Chuck Jones (1912-2002)--

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> Andre Warringa wrote: > > > > On Thu, 28 Feb 2002 16:06:48 +0100, Goy Larsen <[email hidden]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > >Andre Warringa wrote: > > >> > > >> Indeed.. Goy, Scott, any news about the conversions for N2002? > > > > > >The guys who know about this stuff is working on it, that's all I can > > >say, but they do sound optimistic.....the future is bright, the future > > >is Orange :-) > > > > The future is Orange.. is that a Swedish expression or is there a hint > > hidden somewhere inside? Don't forget to tell the guys we (well I at > > least) also would like to see Riverside in N2002 :) > > Swedish !!!! > > What's with the personal insults here all of a sudden, first I'm being > compared to Scott Husted, now it's being hinted that I'm > Swedish.....this hurts

Everyone, do a Cartman impersonation with a kiddie voice and pointing the index fingers parallell from side to side after each line: Goy is from Sweden, Goy is from Sweden, Goy is ... -- Olav K. Malmin remove .spam when replying

On Thu, 28 Feb 2002 16:30:25 +0100, Goy Larsen <[email hidden]> wrote: >Swedish !!!! > >What's with the personal insults here all of a sudden, first I'm being >compared to Scott Husted, now it's being hinted that I'm >Swedish.....this hurts Uhm.. Norway, Sweden, Denmark, does it really matter? As Remco Moedt once said 'you all talk Dutch with a bunch of weird letters thrown in it' >Actually, it's an ad for a phone company, Orange, I think, something >that just popped into my mind when I wrote "the future is bright", bit >like that song you can't get out of your head, which btw is "ooops I did >it again" right now, they played it on the radio when I was out driving >a little while ago, cruel and inhumane punishment for someone with my >music taste :-) Oh great, now I have 'Oops I did it again' in my head too, thankyouverymuch :-/ Andre

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> > On Thu, 28 Feb 2002 16:30:25 +0100, Goy Larsen <[email hidden]> wrote: > > >Swedish !!!! > > > >What's with the personal insults here all of a sudden, first I'm being > >compared to Scott Husted, now it's being hinted that I'm > >Swedish.....this hurts > > Uhm.. Norway, Sweden, Denmark, does it really matter? As Remco Moedt > once said 'you all talk Dutch with a bunch of weird letters thrown in > it'

Well, I guess he's right about that, sorta, I did manage to make myself understood in Holland ages ago with a combination of German and Norwegian, that was a weird conversation I can tell you :-)

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> >Actually, it's an ad for a phone company, Orange, I think, something > >that just popped into my mind when I wrote "the future is bright", bit > >like that song you can't get out of your head, which btw is "ooops I did > >it again" right now, they played it on the radio when I was out driving > >a little while ago, cruel and inhumane punishment for someone with my > >music taste :-) > > Oh great, now I have 'Oops I did it again' in my head too, > thankyouverymuch :-/

<Windows Explorer - E-drive - Music - RyCooder - Feeling Bad Blues> Aaaah....., I hate this cheery happy stuff....:-) Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy "The Pits" http://www.theuspits.com/ "Animation isn't the illusion of life; it is life" --Chuck Jones (1912-2002)--

"Olav K. Malmin" wrote: > > Everyone, do a Cartman impersonation with a kiddie voice and pointing > the index fingers parallell from side to side after each line: > > Goy is from Sweden, Goy is from Sweden, Goy is ... You have a mean streak Olav..... Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy "The Pits" http://www.theuspits.com/ "Animation isn't the illusion of life; it is life" --Chuck Jones (1912-2002)--

Gerald Moore <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> If anything, it is even more pronounced. I think the reason you don't > notice it as much is because the cars have greater acceleration off > the corners when the motor is unrestricted. The lead car can > accelerate, so the drafting car's advantage is mitigated somewhat. > > You see the same things at Atlanta and Michigan. The draft is there, > it's just harder to notice. > > Gerald > > > Andre Warringa <[email hidden]> wrote in message

news:<[email hidden]>... > > > Btw, drafting at Daytona works much better than at Coca Cola. This is > > because the drafting effect simply becomes less at higher speeds? > > > > Andre Gerald is spot on, without restrictor plates drafting is not quite as 'close quarters' an affair as it is with the plates. With more acceleration off the corners and also no fixed rear suspension (so you can get the deck lid lower and out of the air flow) the faster non plate tracks don't seem to create the packs with their draft since leaders can pull out somewhat on closing cars. Atlanta and Michigan are great examples and IMHO, Atlanta is the fastest track on the real WC circuit nowadays. A good setup will have you over 202mph going into T1, I usually see 205+mph into T1 in Q setup there. And congrats on learning the brake instead of lift thing, it is the only way to fly at those tracks IMO. (and you also learned about getting out of line at the wrong time...thats what I meant about just getting some seat time and learning when to go and when to slow, so to speak.)

On Thu, 28 Feb 2002 20:56:25 GMT, "CarGuy" <[email hidden]> wrote: >And congrats on learning the brake instead of lift thing, it is the only way >to fly at those tracks IMO. (and you also learned about getting out of line >at the wrong time...thats what I meant about just getting some seat time and >learning when to go and when to slow, so to speak.) Yup it's going better and better now. Drafted from 43rd to 1st position at Daytona 90%, then a yellow flag came. I made a clever pitstop to get fresh tires. The other 42 AI cars were even more clever and didn't pit. I was back at 43 when the green flag came :-/ Andre

Andre Warringa <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > On Thu, 28 Feb 2002 20:56:25 GMT, "CarGuy" <[email hidden]> > wrote: > > >And congrats on learning the brake instead of lift thing, it is the onlyway > >to fly at those tracks IMO. (and you also learned about getting out ofline > >at the wrong time...thats what I meant about just getting some seat timeand

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> >learning when to go and when to slow, so to speak.) > > Yup it's going better and better now. Drafted from 43rd to 1st > position at Daytona 90%, then a yellow flag came. > I made a clever pitstop to get fresh tires. > The other 42 AI cars were even more clever and didn't pit. > I was back at 43 when the green flag came :-/ > > Andre

Yup, you are definetly into drafting/plate racing '201' at this point, lol. Good luck and congrats on passing the '101' course, :) Now strategy is in the curriculum, and new terms like 'short pitting', 'tire management', 'fuel management' and 'track position' are on the table. These all fall into various categories of combined 'pit' and 'race' strategies. Pop quiz next Tuesday, LOL!

In article <[email hidden]>, Andre Warringa <[email hidden]> writes: >Yup it's going better and better now. Drafted from 43rd to 1st >position at Daytona 90%, then a yellow flag came. >I made a clever pitstop to get fresh tires. >The other 42 AI cars were even more clever and didn't pit. >I was back at 43 when the green flag came :-/ Yeah, but when they make their green flag stops, then you're a LAP ahead... How long was the race? Eldred -- Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPLRank - under construction... Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

On 04 Mar 2002 15:28:07 GMT, [email hidden] (EldredP) wrote:

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>In article <[email hidden]>, Andre Warringa ><[email hidden]> writes: > >>Yup it's going better and better now. Drafted from 43rd to 1st >>position at Daytona 90%, then a yellow flag came. >>I made a clever pitstop to get fresh tires. >>The other 42 AI cars were even more clever and didn't pit. >>I was back at 43 when the green flag came :-/ > >Yeah, but when they make their green flag stops, then you're a LAP ahead... >How long was the race? > >Eldred

30% race at Daytona Night. I have no idea why, but 30% Daytona at daylight races have more laps than a 30% Daytona night race. If I remember correctly you have enough fuel at the start for a 30% Daytona night race without pitting.. I can;'t remember the exact situation, but my pitstop was not needed since I and the AI had enough fuel to finish the race. I noticed this after I entered the pit :-/ Andre

Andre Warringa wrote: > 30% race at Daytona Night. I have no idea why, but 30% Daytona at > daylight races have more laps than a 30% Daytona night race. Is it more laps or just that you get better fuel mileage in the daytime? At night, the air is heavier resulting in more horsepower resulting in lower miles per gallon. Is Papyrus modeling that? If yes, cool! Dave Ewing -- ***************************************************** David A. Ewing Xilinx Boulder [email hidden] *****************************************************

The day race is a 500 miler and the night race is a400 miler. Don "Andre Warringa" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> On 04 Mar 2002 15:28:07 GMT, [email hidden] (EldredP) wrote: > > >In article <[email hidden]>, Andre Warringa > ><[email hidden]> writes: > > > >>Yup it's going better and better now. Drafted from 43rd to 1st > >>position at Daytona 90%, then a yellow flag came. > >>I made a clever pitstop to get fresh tires. > >>The other 42 AI cars were even more clever and didn't pit. > >>I was back at 43 when the green flag came :-/ > > > >Yeah, but when they make their green flag stops, then you're a LAP

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> >How long was the race? > > > >Eldred > > 30% race at Daytona Night. I have no idea why, but 30% Daytona at > daylight races have more laps than a 30% Daytona night race. > If I remember correctly you have enough fuel at the start for a 30% > Daytona night race without pitting.. > > I can;'t remember the exact situation, but my pitstop was not needed > since I and the AI had enough fuel to finish the race. I noticed this > after I entered the pit :-/ > > Andre