NR2002 online pointless

I don't know if I have had a more frustrating online gaming experience ever. There are some serious social retards out there. 59 lap race at the Coca Cola speedway. I qualify first out of 32 with my newly honed setup. Leading the first lap and when I get back to the start/finish line there is a car waiting stopped at the bottom of the track. This car then pulls straight across the track in front of me. Needless to say myself and the top 7 cars are all taken out by this idiot, "Trakslut". Nice name. This seems to happen in 75% of the races. What a waste of time. I guess I'll go back to racing the AI. Kyle

check your readme file (if not there then on the Sierra forums) about how to report Wreckers to Papyrus. follow those steps...and get baby's like Mr Slut off the Sierra servers. Dave Henrie "Kyle Roberts" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:6Dlg8.126016$[email hidden]... > I don't know if I have had a more frustrating online gaming experienceever.

I've had a lot of pickup races this past week and a half, and I don't htink I've come across an intentional wrecker yet. I have though had to deal with a LARGE number boneheaded drivers. How f***en hard is it to line up behind the pace car and start cleanly? It's getting old very quickly. David G Fisher "Kyle Roberts" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:6Dlg8.126016$[email hidden]... > I don't know if I have had a more frustrating online gaming experienceever. > There are some serious social retards out there. 59 lap race at the Coca > Cola speedway. I qualify first out of 32 with my newly honed setup.Leading > the first lap and when I get back to the start/finish line there is a car > waiting stopped at the bottom of the track. This car then pulls straight > across the track in front of me. Needless to say myself and the top 7 cars > are all taken out by this idiot, "Trakslut". Nice name. This seems tohappen

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> in 75% of the races. What a waste of time. I guess I'll go back to racing > the AI. > > Kyle > > > > >

A lot of pickup races are like that, sure you can find a few good open races but for real online racing you will need to join a league or at least get on a server with some restrictions. Schooner2000 www.corl.ca - Canadian Online Racing League "Kyle Roberts" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:6Dlg8.126016$[email hidden]... > I don't know if I have had a more frustrating online gaming experienceever. > There are some serious social retards out there. 59 lap race at the Coca > Cola speedway. I qualify first out of 32 with my newly honed setup.Leading > the first lap and when I get back to the start/finish line there is a car > waiting stopped at the bottom of the track. This car then pulls straight > across the track in front of me. Needless to say myself and the top 7 cars > are all taken out by this idiot, "Trakslut". Nice name. This seems tohappen

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> in 75% of the races. What a waste of time. I guess I'll go back to racing > the AI. > > Kyle > > > >

Sounds pretty realistic to me. Trackslut is simply driving like Nadeau or Spencer, or maybe like the newest NASCAR idiot - Mr. Harvick. Todd "Kyle Roberts" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:6Dlg8.126016$[email hidden]... > I don't know if I have had a more frustrating online gaming experienceever. > There are some serious social retards out there. 59 lap race at the Coca > Cola speedway. I qualify first out of 32 with my newly honed setup.Leading > the first lap and when I get back to the start/finish line there is a car > waiting stopped at the bottom of the track. This car then pulls straight > across the track in front of me. Needless to say myself and the top 7 cars > are all taken out by this idiot, "Trakslut". Nice name. This seems tohappen

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> in 75% of the races. What a waste of time. I guess I'll go back to racing > the AI. > > Kyle > > > >

Todd Sorensen wrote: > Sounds pretty realistic to me. Trackslut is simply driving like Nadeau or > Spencer, or maybe like the newest NASCAR idiot - Mr. Harvick. LOL! You got that right! -- Fester "Is it that we need a nobrainer Linux desktop OS for people with no brains or should people do a little more reading and smarten up?" from alt.linux.mandrake NG

s*** happens, that's racing. But there's a few things you might keep in mind to improve your chances: - drive on Papyrus' servers and report wreckers to Papy. This is effective - reported wreckers get banned from WON/ Sierra.com - try driving on road circuits or the more difficult-to-drive ovals. Easier tracks are riskier in terms of meeting wreckers. - try using the well reknowned servers. Some hosts (or bosses) will eject wreckers or admonish bad drivers. You may not know yet which these servers are, but you'll learn it in a while. - try to foresee from the behaviour of a car whether the driver could be a wrecker, and to prepare yourself. In the race, cars lingering at standstill or driving slowly are suspicious, just like slower cars changing roadsides more than once in front of you. Anyone not qualifying or qualifying very poorly is moderately suspicious - no red alert yet, but at least he should be watched in the race. Cars doing donuts excessively in practice, speeding through the pits, shortcutting a lot, driving fast but crashing all the time or doing other uncommon antics repeatedly can be wreckers (maybe sometimes spontaneously out of frustration with their own inability). Be twice as careful when you're the leader, as the leader is the preferred target. Try to see wreckers as an additional challenge - it's not racing, but it's there, so deal with it. But your impression that this happens in 75% of all races is wrong. AAMOF, I cannot remember when I've seen the last wrecker on an RC, and I've certainly not yet seen one in N2002. Therefor, don't give up, stay at it. Online racing can be very satisfying. Achim "Kyle Roberts" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:6Dlg8.126016$[email hidden]... > I don't know if I have had a more frustrating online gaming experienceever. > There are some serious social retards out there. 59 lap race at the Coca > Cola speedway. I qualify first out of 32 with my newly honed setup.Leading > the first lap and when I get back to the start/finish line there is a car > waiting stopped at the bottom of the track. This car then pulls straight > across the track in front of me. Needless to say myself and the top 7 cars > are all taken out by this idiot, "Trakslut". Nice name. This seems tohappen

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> in 75% of the races. What a waste of time. I guess I'll go back to racing > the AI. > > Kyle > > > >

Join a league; only way to go. -John "Kyle Roberts" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:6Dlg8.126016$[email hidden]... > I don't know if I have had a more frustrating online gaming experienceever. > There are some serious social retards out there. 59 lap race at the Coca > Cola speedway. I qualify first out of 32 with my newly honed setup.Leading > the first lap and when I get back to the start/finish line there is a car > waiting stopped at the bottom of the track. This car then pulls straight > across the track in front of me. Needless to say myself and the top 7 cars > are all taken out by this idiot, "Trakslut". Nice name. This seems tohappen

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> in 75% of the races. What a waste of time. I guess I'll go back to racing > the AI. > > Kyle > > > >

LOL -- 1907 - Daytona Beach Florida Glenn H. Curtiss rode a V8 powered motorcycle to a 136.30 mph record in the measured mile. The Chicago Daily News headline reads: "Fastest Mile On Earth, Bullets Are The Only Rivals Of Glenn Curtiss"

>- try to foresee from the behavior of a car whether the driver could be a >wrecker, Also; Drivers merging from pits too early. Ha Ha, looks like wreakers prefer the latest version as intentional wreaking in Nascar 3 jist'bout disappeared when Nascar 4 came out. (new damage model maybe?) Maybe the time to spend online in Nascar 4? -- 1907 - Daytona Beach Florida Glenn H. Curtiss rode a V8 powered motorcycle to a 136.30 mph record in the measured mile. The Chicago Daily News headline reads: "Fastest Mile On Earth, Bullets Are The Only Rivals Of Glenn Curtiss"

Get in with a good league. Not only will you have your weekly race, but they often hold nightly races as well. -- Kevin Anderson [email hidden] "Kyle Roberts" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:6Dlg8.126016$[email hidden]... > I don't know if I have had a more frustrating online gaming experience ever. > There are some serious social retards out there. 59 lap race at the Coca > Cola speedway. I qualify first out of 32 with my newly honed setup. Leading > the first lap and when I get back to the start/finish line there is a car > waiting stopped at the bottom of the track. This car then pulls straight > across the track in front of me. Needless to say myself and the top 7 cars > are all taken out by this idiot, "Trakslut". Nice name. This seems to happen > in 75% of the races. What a waste of time. I guess I'll go back to racing > the AI. > > Kyle > > > >

Yes, most leagues have the regular scheduled events along with regular practice periods and pickup races for league members. The other nice thing of racing in a league is that you get use to the driving styles and personalities of the people you run with, which can go a long way in having clean close racing. Schooner2000 www.corl.ca - Canadian Online Racing League "Kevin Anderson" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:%Grg8.32604$[email hidden]... > Get in with a good league. Not only will you have your weekly race, butthey

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> often hold nightly races as well. > > -- > Kevin Anderson > [email hidden] > > "Kyle Roberts" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:6Dlg8.126016$[email hidden]... > > I don't know if I have had a more frustrating online gaming experience > ever. > > There are some serious social retards out there. 59 lap race at the Coca > > Cola speedway. I qualify first out of 32 with my newly honed setup. > Leading > > the first lap and when I get back to the start/finish line there is a

car > > waiting stopped at the bottom of the track. This car then pulls straight > > across the track in front of me. Needless to say myself and the top 7cars > > are all taken out by this idiot, "Trakslut". Nice name. This seems to > happen > > in 75% of the races. What a waste of time. I guess I'll go back toracing

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The people that work hard by having league is whats keeping the sim alive.

I had a problem at Daytona (online). On the start, a guy purposely slowed up and we all crashed into him. Then he exited. I hate that. On Sun, 3 Mar 2002 04:10:31 -0500, "Kyle Roberts" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>I don't know if I have had a more frustrating online gaming experience ever. >There are some serious social retards out there. 59 lap race at the Coca >Cola speedway. I qualify first out of 32 with my newly honed setup. Leading >the first lap and when I get back to the start/finish line there is a car >waiting stopped at the bottom of the track. This car then pulls straight >across the track in front of me. Needless to say myself and the top 7 cars >are all taken out by this idiot, "Trakslut". Nice name. This seems to happen >in 75% of the races. What a waste of time. I guess I'll go back to racing >the AI. > >Kyle > > >

I feel the same way... what I don't get it what all the fuss is about when it comes to Tony Stewart? I like the way he drives. He only seems to mess with someone after they've wronged him... On Sun, 3 Mar 2002 08:13:41 -0500, "Todd Sorensen" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>Sounds pretty realistic to me. Trackslut is simply driving like Nadeau or >Spencer, or maybe like the newest NASCAR idiot - Mr. Harvick. > >Todd > >"Kyle Roberts" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >news:6Dlg8.126016$[email hidden]... >> I don't know if I have had a more frustrating online gaming experience >ever. >> There are some serious social retards out there. 59 lap race at the Coca >> Cola speedway. I qualify first out of 32 with my newly honed setup. >Leading >> the first lap and when I get back to the start/finish line there is a car >> waiting stopped at the bottom of the track. This car then pulls straight >> across the track in front of me. Needless to say myself and the top 7 cars >> are all taken out by this idiot, "Trakslut". Nice name. This seems to >happen >> in 75% of the races. What a waste of time. I guess I'll go back to racing >> the AI. >> >> Kyle >> >> >> >> >

Because Stewart's a typical pro modern athlete; spoiled primadonna. IMO, a lot of the new fans to Nascar racing left following the other sports because they're so filled with his type. Some like to use the excuse that he's an intense, etc. racer. Think it's safe to say that others are/have been just as intense but don't act like him, i.e.: -get lead away from the track in handcuffs as he did in 1998, at a sprint car, IIRC, race. -knock a tape recorder from a reporter's hands, and then kick it away as the reporter reaches for it. -have to be physically restrained from assualting a top Nascar official(Gary Nelson). Brilliant career move ace. For starters<G> One other thing I always get a kick out of is Nascar's heavy handed pr repair after he's in trouble. EVERY time, the next weekend, they throw his mug in front of the camera as a race commentator for the Busch race. Just my .02 of course :) -John "George Lewis" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> I feel the same way... what I don't get it what all the fuss is about > when it comes to Tony Stewart? I like the way he drives. He only > seems to mess with someone after they've wronged him... > > >> > > >

George Lewis wrote: > I feel the same way... what I don't get it what all the fuss is about > when it comes to Tony Stewart? I like the way he drives. He only > seems to mess with someone after they've wronged him... Because he acts like an ass. Just the type of person I like to confront in RL. :-) -- Fester "Beware the leader who bangs the drums of war in order to whip the citizenry into a patriotic fervor, for patriotism is indeed a double-edged sword. It both emboldens the blood, just as it narrows the mind. And when the drums of war have reached a fever pitch and the blood boils with hate and the mind has closed, the leader will have no need in seizing the rights of the citizenry. Rather, the citizenry, infused with fear and blinded by patriotism, will offer up all of their rights unto the leader and gladly so. How do I know? For this is what I have done. And I am Caesar." -- Julius Caesar

In article <a5tb1r$a1asj$[email hidden]>, "Joachim Trensz" <[email hidden]> writes: >Anyone not qualifying or qualifying very >poorly is moderately suspicious - no red alert yet, but at least he should >be watched in the race. Ooh, I don't like that opinion. I ran a race online at Daytona. Everyone else qualified at 187 or above - I was at 181. Also, I used to purposely drive slow qual laps to ensure I'd be at the back of the grid. It would keep me out of all the crashing on the start... Eldred -- Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPLRank - under construction... Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

On 04 Mar 2002 15:28:06 GMT, [email hidden] (EldredP) wrote: >Ooh, I don't like that opinion. I ran a race online at Daytona. Everyone else >qualified at 187 or above - I was at 181. Also, I used to purposely drive slow >qual laps to ensure I'd be at the back of the grid. It would keep me out of >all the crashing on the start... > >Eldred Go for the pole next time, that works even better :) Andre

Another thing to look at is OLR www.onlineracin.com Very good racing and Great connection quality "Kyle Roberts" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:6Dlg8.126016$[email hidden]... > I don't know if I have had a more frustrating online gaming experienceever. > There are some serious social retards out there. 59 lap race at the Coca > Cola speedway. I qualify first out of 32 with my newly honed setup.Leading > the first lap and when I get back to the start/finish line there is a car > waiting stopped at the bottom of the track. This car then pulls straight > across the track in front of me. Needless to say myself and the top 7 cars > are all taken out by this idiot, "Trakslut". Nice name. This seems tohappen

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> in 75% of the races. What a waste of time. I guess I'll go back to racing > the AI. > > Kyle > > > >

Hi Eldred, of course no offence was meant to anyone, but unfortunately this is one possible criterion how to recognize a wrecker. But please note that I explicitely said this is _one_ of the circumstances which _can_ indicate a wrecker. It not necessarily does. Achim "EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > In article <a5tb1r$a1asj$[email hidden]>, "Joachim Trensz" > <[email hidden]> writes: > > >Anyone not qualifying or qualifying very > >poorly is moderately suspicious - no red alert yet, but at least heshould > >be watched in the race. > > Ooh, I don't like that opinion. I ran a race online at Daytona. Everyoneelse > qualified at 187 or above - I was at 181. Also, I used to purposely driveslow > qual laps to ensure I'd be at the back of the grid. It would keep me outof

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> all the crashing on the start... > > Eldred > -- > Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 > Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett > GPLRank - under construction... > > Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats

you > with experience... > Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

I wish I had a dollar every time this has happened to me lately. It's hard to say if stuff like this is intentional or not, some people really don't seem to have a clue. Where are all the ranked servers for NR2002? I could usually find a 3-10 race in N4, which tended to eliminate "most" of the BS. So far I have raced in exactly one SW race that was ranked above 0-10. You don't even see ranked SS races very often. Gerald "Kyle Roberts" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<6Dlg8.126016$[email hidden]>...

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> I don't know if I have had a more frustrating online gaming experience ever. > There are some serious social retards out there. 59 lap race at the Coca > Cola speedway. I qualify first out of 32 with my newly honed setup. Leading > the first lap and when I get back to the start/finish line there is a car > waiting stopped at the bottom of the track. This car then pulls straight > across the track in front of me. Needless to say myself and the top 7 cars > are all taken out by this idiot, "Trakslut". Nice name. This seems to happen > in 75% of the races. What a waste of time. I guess I'll go back to racing > the AI. > > Kyle

I bet a LOT of em' would like to assault Gary Nelson :) On Sun, 3 Mar 2002 18:48:13 -0700, "John Pancoast" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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> Because Stewart's a typical pro modern athlete; spoiled primadonna. IMO, >a lot of the new fans to Nascar racing left following the other sports >because they're so filled with his type. > Some like to use the excuse that he's an intense, etc. racer. Think it's >safe to say that others are/have been just as intense but don't act like >him, i.e.: > >-get lead away from the track in handcuffs as he did in 1998, at a sprint >car, IIRC, race. >-knock a tape recorder from a reporter's hands, and then kick it away as the >reporter reaches for it. >-have to be physically restrained from assualting a top Nascar official(Gary >Nelson). Brilliant career move ace. > > For starters<G> One other thing I always get a kick out of is Nascar's >heavy handed pr repair after he's in trouble. EVERY time, the next weekend, >they throw his mug in front of the camera as a race commentator for the >Busch race. > > Just my .02 of course :) > >-John > > >"George Lewis" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >news:[email hidden]... >> I feel the same way... what I don't get it what all the fuss is about >> when it comes to Tony Stewart? I like the way he drives. He only >> seems to mess with someone after they've wronged him... >> > >> >> >> > >> >

"Joachim Trensz" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<a5tb1r$a1asj$[email hidden]>... > - try driving on road circuits or the more difficult-to-drive ovals. Easier > tracks are riskier in terms of meeting wreckers. Last time I tried racing N2002 on Sierra, there were 2 servers set up for Watkins Glen, 1 of them with 0 drivers in setup mode, 1 server set up for Sears Point with a password, and 1 server set up for Pocono with 2 other drivers who quit before qualifying (I joined hoping to get at least some decent racing in). On the other hand, there were at least 30-40 Daytona/Talladega/Coca Cola servers. There were 14 papy servers set up, 11 at superspeedways, 1 at Bristol-Night, 1 at Watkins Glen (albeit with 32 cars and in race mode) which quickly changed to a superspeedway race after it ended, and 1 at Phoenix with 2 drivers entered. None of the servers ranked. I wish the Papy loops, at the very least, would use the same format they did in N4 at the beginning of this year. There was a good chance that within 10-15 minutes of logging in I could find a decent race. Rated servers would be nice as well, since you can import your N4 stats. Jason

"Kyle Roberts" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:6Dlg8.126016$[email hidden]... > I don't know if I have had a more frustrating online gaming experienceever. > There are some serious social retards out there. 59 lap race at the Coca > Cola speedway. I qualify first out of 32 with my newly honed setup.Leading > the first lap and when I get back to the start/finish line there is a car > waiting stopped at the bottom of the track. This car then pulls straight > across the track in front of me. Needless to say myself and the top 7 cars > are all taken out by this idiot, "Trakslut". Nice name. This seems tohappen > in 75% of the races. What a waste of time. I guess I'll go back to racing > the AI. > > Kyle Kyle, you've got mail.

[email hidden] (jason moyer) wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>... > On the other hand, there were at least 30-40 Daytona/Talladega/Coca > Cola servers. There were 14 papy servers set up, 11 at > superspeedways, 1 at Bristol-Night, 1 at Watkins Glen (albeit with 32 > cars and in race mode) which quickly changed to a superspeedway race > after it ended, and 1 at Phoenix with 2 drivers entered. None of the > servers ranked. Ok, some real numbers from just now: 31 plate races 3 Coca Cola races 1 Pocono race 1 Sears Pt race 0 Chicago races Woowee break out the funjuice. Thank god for leagues. Jason

Totally agree, especially about having some rated servers. There's no point moving my stats until some higher-ratings servers show up. Gerald [email hidden] (jason moyer) wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

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> I wish the Papy loops, at the very least, would use the same format > they did in N4 at the beginning of this year. There was a good chance > that within 10-15 minutes of logging in I could find a decent race. > Rated servers would be nice as well, since you can import your N4 > stats. > > Jason

Hi Jason, Papy has gone for the option to allow boss mode. If you're lucky and find a Papy server with 0 drivers logged on, you've got a good chance of becoming the boss of that server. And then you can select any track you like. This is btw true for more than just the Papy servers on Sierra in N2002, although still for less servers than I'd like to see. Several of those showing 'Setup' for an extended period of time will make you the boss when you log on, which gives you the power to select a track and start the event. In general I also agree with you about the ratio of more challenging ovals to SS or even Coca Cola (argh ;-) is not what I would like it to be. OTOH, it's not as bad as you describe it. You can frequently find an RC or a decent oval race, just sometimes you're waiting in vain between. Although admittedly, since I'm from Europe, I'm on Sierra at times when the community should be a little more international. I can imagine that for the serious or less serious American Nascar fans, the big ovals and SS like Daytona or Talladega are the peak of Nascar racing, just like for Europeans the Nurburgring or Imola are the 'classic' tracks, so at times when the visitors to Sierra come mostly from the Americas, maybe the ratio differs from what I tend to see. I'd like to add that whenever I see a Martinsville race with 25 or more drivers in it on the Papy servers, I don't join that either. Or Darlington with 20+ drivers - those races usually end in carnage without any bad intentions on the drivers' part :-) All in all, Sierra is a good fun place for the average player. A serious racer (or maybe even a serious road circuit racer) though will not find good races easily. But Sierra wasn't made for that. It's an online facility for the buyer cross section of N4 and N2002. If we go there, we have to accept the right of everyone else to use that service and try to enjoy the sim there the way he wants to enjoy it - seriously, casually, proficiently, less proficiently... ;-) Achim "jason moyer" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > "Joachim Trensz" <[email hidden]> wrote in messagenews:<a5tb1r$a1asj$[email hidden]>... > > > - try driving on road circuits or the more difficult-to-drive ovals.Easier

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> > tracks are riskier in terms of meeting wreckers. > > Last time I tried racing N2002 on Sierra, there were 2 servers set up > for Watkins Glen, 1 of them with 0 drivers in setup mode, 1 server set > up for Sears Point with a password, and 1 server set up for Pocono > with 2 other drivers who quit before qualifying (I joined hoping to > get at least some decent racing in). > > On the other hand, there were at least 30-40 Daytona/Talladega/Coca > Cola servers. There were 14 papy servers set up, 11 at > superspeedways, 1 at Bristol-Night, 1 at Watkins Glen (albeit with 32 > cars and in race mode) which quickly changed to a superspeedway race > after it ended, and 1 at Phoenix with 2 drivers entered. None of the > servers ranked. > > I wish the Papy loops, at the very least, would use the same format > they did in N4 at the beginning of this year. There was a good chance > that within 10-15 minutes of logging in I could find a decent race. > Rated servers would be nice as well, since you can import your N4 > stats. > > Jason

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>On 04 Mar 2002 15:28:06 GMT, [email hidden] (EldredP) wrote: > >>Ooh, I don't like that opinion. I ran a race online at Daytona. Everyone >else >>qualified at 187 or above - I was at 181. Also, I used to purposely drive >slow >>qual laps to ensure I'd be at the back of the grid. It would keep me out of >>all the crashing on the start... >> >>Eldred > >Go for the pole next time, that works even better :) >

Andre, Monica Lewinsky has a better chance of becoming Hilary Clinton's campaign manager than I do of winning a pole position... Eldred -- Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPLRank - under construction... Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

In article <a60g1p$ar2ks$[email hidden]>, "Joachim Trensz" <[email hidden]> writes:

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>Hi Eldred, > >of course no offence was meant to anyone, but unfortunately this is one >possible criterion how to recognize a wrecker. > >But please note that I explicitely said this is _one_ of the circumstances >which _can_ indicate a wrecker. It not necessarily does. >

I know that, but if people are looking that closely, any mistake I make could be suspect. That's all I need is to spin out, and have someone say "See? I *thought* he was a wrecker"... Eldred -- Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPLRank - under construction... Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

Daytona and Dega feel REAL funky under NR2002. Feels like you're driving a Suburban. -Larry "EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > In article <a5tb1r$a1asj$[email hidden]>, "Joachim Trensz" > <[email hidden]> writes: > > >Anyone not qualifying or qualifying very > >poorly is moderately suspicious - no red alert yet, but at least heshould > >be watched in the race. > > Ooh, I don't like that opinion. I ran a race online at Daytona. Everyoneelse > qualified at 187 or above - I was at 181. Also, I used to purposely driveslow > qual laps to ensure I'd be at the back of the grid. It would keep me outof

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> all the crashing on the start... > > Eldred > -- > Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 > Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett > GPLRank - under construction... > > Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats

you > with experience... > Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

Playing around on Pit Road, or cutting out the tri-oval and screaming down pit lane is a pretty good indication someone is a dipstick. IMHO, anyone who can't be serious during practice, isn't going to be serious during the race. They always say "It's only practice, what am I hurting". Man, I HATE that nonsense. -Larry "Joachim Trensz" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:a60g1p$ar2ks$[email hidden]...

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> Hi Eldred, > > of course no offence was meant to anyone, but unfortunately this is one > possible criterion how to recognize a wrecker. > > But please note that I explicitely said this is _one_ of the circumstances > which _can_ indicate a wrecker. It not necessarily does. > > Achim > > > > "EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > In article <a5tb1r$a1asj$[email hidden]>, "Joachim Trensz" > > <[email hidden]> writes: > > > > >Anyone not qualifying or qualifying very > > >poorly is moderately suspicious - no red alert yet, but at least he > should > > >be watched in the race. > > > > Ooh, I don't like that opinion. I ran a race online at Daytona.

Everyone > else > > qualified at 187 or above - I was at 181. Also, I used to purposelydrive > slow > > qual laps to ensure I'd be at the back of the grid. It would keep meout

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> of > > all the crashing on the start... > > > > Eldred > > -- > > Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 > > Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett > > GPLRank - under construction... > > > > Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats > you > > with experience... > > Remove SPAM-OFF to reply. > >

Coca-Cola is going to be immensely popular. No bones about it (except those scattered all over the track). It IS a fun track. I've also noticed that all the Papy Races I was in, at least, finally had fixed setups turned OFF! Woohoo! -Larry "jason moyer" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > "Joachim Trensz" <[email hidden]> wrote in messagenews:<a5tb1r$a1asj$[email hidden]>... > > > - try driving on road circuits or the more difficult-to-drive ovals.Easier

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> > tracks are riskier in terms of meeting wreckers. > > Last time I tried racing N2002 on Sierra, there were 2 servers set up > for Watkins Glen, 1 of them with 0 drivers in setup mode, 1 server set > up for Sears Point with a password, and 1 server set up for Pocono > with 2 other drivers who quit before qualifying (I joined hoping to > get at least some decent racing in). > > On the other hand, there were at least 30-40 Daytona/Talladega/Coca > Cola servers. There were 14 papy servers set up, 11 at > superspeedways, 1 at Bristol-Night, 1 at Watkins Glen (albeit with 32 > cars and in race mode) which quickly changed to a superspeedway race > after it ended, and 1 at Phoenix with 2 drivers entered. None of the > servers ranked. > > I wish the Papy loops, at the very least, would use the same format > they did in N4 at the beginning of this year. There was a good chance > that within 10-15 minutes of logging in I could find a decent race. > Rated servers would be nice as well, since you can import your N4 > stats. > > Jason

ELdred, we all already KNOW you are a wrecker... ;) -- Biz "Don't touch that please, your primitive intellect wouldn't understand alloys and compositions and,......things with molecular structures,....and the....." - Ash EldredP <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > In article <a60g1p$ar2ks$[email hidden]>, "Joachim Trensz" > <[email hidden]> writes: > > >Hi Eldred, > > > >of course no offence was meant to anyone, but unfortunately this is one > >possible criterion how to recognize a wrecker. > > > >But please note that I explicitely said this is _one_ of the circumstances > >which _can_ indicate a wrecker. It not necessarily does. > > > > I know that, but if people are looking that closely, any mistake I make could > be suspect. That's all I need is to spin out, and have someone say "See? I > *thought* he was a wrecker"... > > Eldred > -- > Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 > Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett > GPLRank - under construction... > > Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you > with experience... > Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

[email hidden] (EldredP) wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>... > I know that, but if people are looking that closely, any mistake I make could > be suspect. Then don't make any mistakes. =) > That's all I need is to spin out, and have someone say "See? I > *thought* he was a wrecker"... Outside of testing sessions, you seriously should not be spinning much. If you are you're either pushing it too hard or need more practice. No offense, but self-spins can be as annoying as people who wreck people on purpose. I have yet to see contact in Nascar 4 or 2002 online that couldn't have been avoided. It's just a matter of having patience and control of your car, both of which should be prerequisites for racing online, imho. Jason

In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden] (jason moyer) writes: >Outside of testing sessions, you seriously should not be spinning >much. If you are you're either pushing it too hard or need more >practice. No offense, but self-spins can be as annoying as people who >wreck people on purpose. You're kidding, RIGHT? You actually think the two are equal? Eldred -- Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPLRank - under construction... Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

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> In article <[email hidden]>, > [email hidden] (jason moyer) writes: > > >Outside of testing sessions, you seriously should not be spinning > >much. If you are you're either pushing it too hard or need more > >practice. No offense, but self-spins can be as annoying as people who > >wreck people on purpose. > > You're kidding, RIGHT? You actually think the two are equal?

Morally? No, not at all. In terms of annoyance? Not quite, but damn close. I just ran a league race at Atlanta, 114 laps and no less than 16 cautions. Someone actually self-spun in front of me, I have no idea how, since we were using a Papy fixed-fast setup which is tighter than hell. I would've likely been more entertained if someone had just lost their wits and went around ramming people for half the race. Could you imagine how much NASCAR would suck if every 2-5 laps there was a caution because someone lost control of their car? Jason

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> > In article <[email hidden]>, > > [email hidden] (jason moyer) writes: > > > > >Outside of testing sessions, you seriously should not be spinning > > >much. If you are you're either pushing it too hard or need more > > >practice. No offense, but self-spins can be as annoying as people who > > >wreck people on purpose. > > > > You're kidding, RIGHT? You actually think the two are equal? > > Morally? No, not at all. > > In terms of annoyance? Not quite, but damn close. I just ran a > league race at Atlanta, 114 laps and no less than 16 cautions. > Someone actually self-spun in front of me, I have no idea how, since > we were using a Papy fixed-fast setup which is tighter than hell. I > would've likely been more entertained if someone had just lost their > wits and went around ramming people for half the race. > > Could you imagine how much NASCAR would suck if every 2-5 laps there > was a caution because someone lost control of their car?

Self spinning is usually a result of not practicing enough for the race. In a league I race in, we have a 2 spin rule, if someone self spins twice in the same race the rule is they have to park the car and exit the race. If a self spin causes damage to another car, then they are penalized a point. Don Burnette

In article <%r1j8.27854$[email hidden]>, "Don Burnette" <[email hidden]> writes: >Self spinning is usually a result of not practicing enough for the race. In >a league I race in, we have a 2 spin rule, if someone self spins twice in >the same race the rule is they have to park the car and exit the race. If a >self spin causes damage to another car, then they are penalized a point. Not enough practice? Usually, but not always. I'll agree with Jason that is can sometimes be caused by pushing too hard. I could probably run laps all day at a certain speed within my comfort zone. My spins are usually a result of trying to keep up(or keep ahead) of a driver who's faster... :( So, in your league, does that rule cause people to just 'circulate' to keep from spinning? Eldred -- Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPLRank - under construction... Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

How loose or tight a setup is or how controllable it is can be very seriously affected by changing the wheel lock and/or linearity settings. Compound that with FF wheels which actually diminish the users control and it is very easy to see self spins with the Fast setup or any other setup. Mike "jason moyer" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > [email hidden] (EldredP) wrote in messagenews:<[email hidden]>... > > In article <[email hidden]>, > > [email hidden] (jason moyer) writes: > > > Someone actually self-spun in front of me, I have no idea how, since > we were using a Papy fixed-fast setup which is tighter than hell.