How About That F1 Race?

First, sorry if someone's already posted something in regards to this, my newsserver has been sucking goats lately... Second... well... I'll hide it in case some of you still haven't watched it yet. =) . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . okay, I think it's safe now. If you still see this right off, you're just running too high resolution with your messages maximised, that's all. ;) Just two things I want to mention at the moment: Whose fault do you think most of that first turn stuff was - Barrichello or Ralfie? I think it's more Ralf but both of them were pretty boneheaded...along with a lot of other drivers but those two mostly... The other being...did anyone else notice Montoya's tires, specifically, his right front, not long before Michael got around him finally? (Both of those passes, Juan around Michael, and Michael back around Juan, were AWESOME....) It looked to me like he was blistering them a bit, there was a nice, widening dark line down the middle of his right front. I think he was cooking them trying to stay ahead of Michael. Milhouse

Milhouse wrote: > First, sorry if someone's already posted something in regards to this, my > newsserver has been sucking goats lately... > > Second... > well... > I'll hide it in case some of you still haven't watched it yet. =) Ruebens was clearly weaving all over the bloody track. A bit boneheaded in my opinion, but others have done the same from the pole, including MS, without anybody making much of a fuss about it. On the other hand, given that Ruebens was out of line, nobody held a gun to Ralf's head to make him drive right over Ruebens. It's in a situation like that that a real pro ought to have kept his cool, not pushed the issue to idiotic levels, and made him pay for it later. Ralf never so much as got his nose inside Ruebens to make a claim on "needing room." There may be a good case that the "red mist" had already got him so bad he was going into the corner to hot for him to have made it around in the first place. So, I guess I think Ruebens was out of line, but Ralf was " at fault." There's an old saying: "The graveyard is full of people who were in the right." KFG

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"Milhouse" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:NXkg8.24726$[email hidden]... > Just two things I want to mention at the moment: Whose fault do you think > most of that first turn stuff was - Barrichello or Ralfie? I think it's > more Ralf but both of them were pretty boneheaded...along with a lot of > other drivers but those two mostly... RB moved to block twice which is against the rules. It was pretty much just a 'racing incident'. Nothing more. RS really took off like a plane http://www.formula1.com/news/headlines02/03/s8671.html > The other being...did anyone else notice Montoya's tires, specifically,his > right front, not long before Michael got around him finally? (Both ofthose > passes, Juan around Michael, and Michael back around Juan, wereAWESOME....) JPM's pass was simply him having more hp coming down the straightaway. Nothing special. MS's pass on JPM though was a thing of beauty. Going around the outside could not have been easy. If F12001 or F1RC are even a little accurate, then that was a tremendous move. I'll put it this way. If JPM had made that move on MS, there'd be twenty posts in this thread by now from Montoya fans (there's a pocket of Montoya fans here at r.a.s.--probably due to his CART career) raving how it proves he can beat MS and is the next great F1 driver. :-) David G Fisher

Watching it live at the end of the straight was unbelieveable. Seeing slowed down replays of the incident just doesn't do it justice. Bang the start....bang the crash. 15000 things happening every second and then Ralf flying through the air............to be on the spot and witness the live action gives you an appreciation of what these drivers must have to go through at the start of a race. So who was to blame?? I'd have to say Barra myself. Most of the guys post race were describing the one move to protect your line rule to the interviewers and it seemed they all new it. On replay I thought the Rubens might have had 2 maybe 3 moves over all. Ralf going up his arse was not nessesarily the right thing to do.........but how many N4 of GPL'ers have done the same thing in the same situation. I've always said that you can only go as fast as the guy infront of you will let you. By the height and the distance Ralf went after impact...he was obviously antisipating something that Rubens was meant to do rather than what he actually did. Message from a very drunk, windburnt but happy Barney.

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> First, sorry if someone's already posted something in regards to this, my > newsserver has been sucking goats lately... > > Second... > well... > I'll hide it in case some of you still haven't watched it yet. =) > > . > > . > > . > > . > > . > > . > > . > > . > > . > > . > > . > > . > > . > > . > > . > > okay, I think it's safe now. If you still see this right off, you're just > running too high resolution with your messages maximised, that's all. ;) > > Just two things I want to mention at the moment: Whose fault do you think > most of that first turn stuff was - Barrichello or Ralfie? I think it's > more Ralf but both of them were pretty boneheaded...along with a lot of > other drivers but those two mostly...

Definitely Ralf's fault, if he was going to attempt to get past Reubens, he should have moved over a lot more to the right of the track, Reubens hardly moved back across. Ralf simply misjudged his braking, he clobbered the Ferrari very hard indeed... I thought the car was going to flip for sure. > The other being...did anyone else notice Montoya's tires, specifically,his > right front, not long before Michael got around him finally? (Both ofthose > passes, Juan around Michael, and Michael back around Juan, wereAWESOME....) > It looked to me like he was blistering them a bit, there was a nice, > widening dark line down the middle of his right front. I think he was > cooking them trying to stay ahead of Michael. They had completely different setups, Schuemey was set more for the turns, whilst Montoya seemed to be set more for speed.... He had a lot less wing on the car. It was a great race though, the pile up at the start created lots of oportunities for the back runners.... Very nice to see Irvine jump from 19th to 5th by the 2nd corner and it was great to see both Minardi's finish in the points for the first time in 2 years. And Toyota performed quite well for their first outing. One thing is obvious though... Ferrari are still the team to beat, even though they were using last years car. Jaguar need to be a lot of work to be competitive too. Heckler

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> JPM's pass was simply him having more hp coming down the straightaway. > Nothing special. MS's pass on JPM though was a thing of beauty. Going around > the outside could not have been easy. If F12001 or F1RC are even a little > accurate, then that was a tremendous move. > > I'll put it this way. If JPM had made that move on MS, there'd be twenty > posts in this thread by now from Montoya fans (there's a pocket of Montoya > fans here at r.a.s.--probably due to his CART career) raving how it proves > he can beat MS and is the next great F1 driver. :-)

Let me put it this way, David: Your comments are worthless! Gerry PS. Oh yeah: And groundless!

Er, RB moved across onto RS line then jumped on the brakes. No one here can say if RS braked late or RB braked early but RB was swerving all over the place and IMO should be given a penalty as stated by the FIA. The rules state you can only block once and he clearly did more than that and I'm tired of the Ferarris weaving all over the track at every start. The same thing is going to happen over and over until the FIA start enforcing their own rules -- Steve Levett "Heckler ����" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:a5t3oo$a5qi8$[email hidden]... > > "Milhouse" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:NXkg8.24726$[email hidden]... > > First, sorry if someone's already posted something in regards to this, my > > newsserver has been sucking goats lately... > > > > Second... > > well... > > I'll hide it in case some of you still haven't watched it yet. =) > > > > . > > > > . > > > > . > > > > . > > > > . > > > > . > > > > . > > > > . > > > > . > > > > . > > > > . > > > > . > > > > . > > > > . > > > > . > > > > okay, I think it's safe now. If you still see this right off, you're just > > running too high resolution with your messages maximised, that's all. ;) > > > > Just two things I want to mention at the moment: Whose fault do you think > > most of that first turn stuff was - Barrichello or Ralfie? I think it's > > more Ralf but both of them were pretty boneheaded...along with a lot of > > other drivers but those two mostly... > > Definitely Ralf's fault, if he was going to attempt to get past Reubens, he > should have moved over a lot more to the right of the track, Reubens hardly > moved back across. Ralf simply misjudged his braking, he clobbered the > Ferrari very hard indeed... I thought the car was going to flip for sure. > > > The other being...did anyone else notice Montoya's tires, specifically, > his > > right front, not long before Michael got around him finally? (Both of > those > > passes, Juan around Michael, and Michael back around Juan, were > AWESOME....) > > It looked to me like he was blistering them a bit, there was a nice, > > widening dark line down the middle of his right front. I think he was > > cooking them trying to stay ahead of Michael. > > They had completely different setups, Schuemey was set more for the turns, > whilst Montoya seemed to be set more for speed.... He had a lot less wing on > the car. > > It was a great race though, the pile up at the start created lots of > oportunities for the back runners.... Very nice to see Irvine jump from 19th > to 5th by the 2nd corner and it was great to see both Minardi's finish in > the points for the first time in 2 years. And Toyota performed quite well > for their first outing. > > One thing is obvious though... Ferrari are still the team to beat, even > though they were using last years car. Jaguar need to be a lot of work to be > competitive too. > > > > Heckler > >

What I saw is that Rubens moved to the right to block RS. That is fine, THEN he moved left to go into the turn. RS was caught looking in his mirrors, and didn't try to stop AT ALL. He probably didn't even know he hit him until he started to fly. -Stuart Becktell "Steve Levett" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:a5t85p$9s4hl$[email hidden]... > Er, RB moved across onto RS line then jumped on the brakes. No one herecan > say if RS braked late or RB braked early but RB was swerving all over the > place and IMO should be given a penalty as stated by the FIA. > The rules state you can only block once and he clearly did more than that > and I'm tired of the Ferarris weaving all over the track at every start.The

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> same thing is going to happen over and over until the FIA start enforcing > their own rules > > -- > > Steve Levett > > > "Heckler ����" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:a5t3oo$a5qi8$[email hidden]... > > > > "Milhouse" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:NXkg8.24726$[email hidden]... > > > First, sorry if someone's already posted something in regards to this, > my > > > newsserver has been sucking goats lately... > > > > > > Second... > > > well... > > > I'll hide it in case some of you still haven't watched it yet. =) > > > > > > . > > > > > > . > > > > > > . > > > > > > . > > > > > > . > > > > > > . > > > > > > . > > > > > > . > > > > > > . > > > > > > . > > > > > > . > > > > > > . > > > > > > . > > > > > > . > > > > > > . > > > > > > okay, I think it's safe now. If you still see this right off, you're > just > > > running too high resolution with your messages maximised, that's all.

;) > > > > > > Just two things I want to mention at the moment: Whose fault do you > think > > > most of that first turn stuff was - Barrichello or Ralfie? I thinkit's > > > more Ralf but both of them were pretty boneheaded...along with a lotof

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> > > other drivers but those two mostly... > > > > Definitely Ralf's fault, if he was going to attempt to get past Reubens, > he > > should have moved over a lot more to the right of the track, Reubens > hardly > > moved back across. Ralf simply misjudged his braking, he clobbered the > > Ferrari very hard indeed... I thought the car was going to flip for

sure. > > > > > The other being...did anyone else notice Montoya's tires,specifically,

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> > his > > > right front, not long before Michael got around him finally? (Both of > > those > > > passes, Juan around Michael, and Michael back around Juan, were > > AWESOME....) > > > It looked to me like he was blistering them a bit, there was a nice, > > > widening dark line down the middle of his right front. I think he was > > > cooking them trying to stay ahead of Michael. > > > > They had completely different setups, Schuemey was set more for the

turns, > > whilst Montoya seemed to be set more for speed.... He had a lot lesswing

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> on > > the car. > > > > It was a great race though, the pile up at the start created lots of > > oportunities for the back runners.... Very nice to see Irvine jump from > 19th > > to 5th by the 2nd corner and it was great to see both Minardi's finish

in > > the points for the first time in 2 years. And Toyota performed quitewell > > for their first outing. > > > > One thing is obvious though... Ferrari are still the team to beat, even > > though they were using last years car. Jaguar need to be a lot of workto

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> be > > competitive too. > > > > > > > > Heckler > > > > > >

What a crazy start to the season, between the Arrows cars and then the garage sale start. Ruebens screwed up big time IMO; besides the fact, I thought you could only move to block once? However, what a great Saturday; IRL in the morning, Nascar in the afternoon, and F1 at night! -John "Milhouse" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:NXkg8.24726$[email hidden]...

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> First, sorry if someone's already posted something in regards to this, my > newsserver has been sucking goats lately... > > Second... > well... > I'll hide it in case some of you still haven't watched it yet. =) > > . > > . > > . > > . > > . > > . > > . > > . > > . > > . > > . > > . > > . > > . > > . > > okay, I think it's safe now. If you still see this right off, you're just > running too high resolution with your messages maximised, that's all. ;) > > Just two things I want to mention at the moment: Whose fault do you think > most of that first turn stuff was - Barrichello or Ralfie? I think it's > more Ralf but both of them were pretty boneheaded...along with a lot of > other drivers but those two mostly... > > The other being...did anyone else notice Montoya's tires, specifically,

his > right front, not long before Michael got around him finally? (Both ofthose > passes, Juan around Michael, and Michael back around Juan, wereAWESOME....)

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> It looked to me like he was blistering them a bit, there was a nice, > widening dark line down the middle of his right front. I think he was > cooking them trying to stay ahead of Michael. > > Milhouse > >

Yea, 'cept for that IRL race it was a good race day. -Stuart Becktell "John Pancoast" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> What a crazy start to the season, between the Arrows cars and then the > garage sale start. Ruebens screwed up big time IMO; besides the fact, I > thought you could only move to block once? > > However, what a great Saturday; IRL in the morning, Nascar in the > afternoon, and F1 at night! > > -John > > > "Milhouse" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:NXkg8.24726$[email hidden]... > > First, sorry if someone's already posted something in regards to this,

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> > newsserver has been sucking goats lately... > > > > Second... > > well... > > I'll hide it in case some of you still haven't watched it yet. =) > > > > . > > > > . > > > > . > > > > . > > > > . > > > > . > > > > . > > > > . > > > > . > > > > . > > > > . > > > > . > > > > . > > > > . > > > > . > > > > okay, I think it's safe now. If you still see this right off, you're

just > > running too high resolution with your messages maximised, that's all. ;) > > > > Just two things I want to mention at the moment: Whose fault do youthink

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> > most of that first turn stuff was - Barrichello or Ralfie? I think it's > > more Ralf but both of them were pretty boneheaded...along with a lot of > > other drivers but those two mostly... > > > > The other being...did anyone else notice Montoya's tires, specifically, > his > > right front, not long before Michael got around him finally? (Both of > those > > passes, Juan around Michael, and Michael back around Juan, were > AWESOME....) > > It looked to me like he was blistering them a bit, there was a nice, > > widening dark line down the middle of his right front. I think he was > > cooking them trying to stay ahead of Michael. > > > > Milhouse > > > > > >

Gerry Aitken <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Let me put it this way, David: Your comments are worthless! > Gerry > PS. Oh yeah: And groundless! Nope.... Mikkel

How much did Mikey pay Brother Ralf to bunt his only serious competition out of the race? FoxNews at 11... Wait'll Max and Bernie put 'em all on 145/85-13 bias-ply tires, THEN you'll see some REAL RACIN'! BB

Judging by the results of the wreck, I'd say not enough..........Coulthard was still in the race until his engine went :) -John "Bart Brown" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > How much did Mikey pay Brother Ralf to bunt his only serious competition > out of the race? FoxNews at 11... Wait'll Max and Bernie put 'em all on > 145/85-13 bias-ply tires, THEN you'll see some REAL RACIN'! > > BB

"John Pancoast" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Judging by the results of the wreck, I'd say notenough..........Coulthard > was still in the race until his engine went :) We sit around praying for something to happen to Coulthards... I mean Blockheads car.... usually we like to hope for something involving his head being seperated from his body. :o) Heckler

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> > I'll put it this way. If JPM had made that move on MS, there'd be twenty > posts in this thread by now from Montoya fans (there's a pocket of Montoya > fans here at r.a.s.--probably due to his CART career) raving how it proves > he can beat MS and is the next great F1 driver. :-) > > David G Fisher

David, I would have to agree with you 100%!. If JPM made that pass we would be flooded with posts on how Schumi is done and JPM is the next king. Chris G.

That is because you expect moves like that from Schumi (DC and him at Indy in 2k) but from Montoya it is unexpected. That is why we would be saying that JPM is better (which he is not, and I am a montoya fan.) -Stuart Becktell

I'd say Ralf is to blame. I don't think he would have made the turn regardless of whether Barrichello was there or not. He was going to fast!! Todd "Milhouse" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:NXkg8.24726$[email hidden]...

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> First, sorry if someone's already posted something in regards to this, my > newsserver has been sucking goats lately... > > Second... > well... > I'll hide it in case some of you still haven't watched it yet. =) > > . > > . > > . > > . > > . > > . > > . > > . > > . > > . > > . > > . > > . > > . > > . > > okay, I think it's safe now. If you still see this right off, you're just > running too high resolution with your messages maximised, that's all. ;) > > Just two things I want to mention at the moment: Whose fault do you think > most of that first turn stuff was - Barrichello or Ralfie? I think it's > more Ralf but both of them were pretty boneheaded...along with a lot of > other drivers but those two mostly... > > The other being...did anyone else notice Montoya's tires, specifically,

his > right front, not long before Michael got around him finally? (Both ofthose > passes, Juan around Michael, and Michael back around Juan, wereAWESOME....)

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> It looked to me like he was blistering them a bit, there was a nice, > widening dark line down the middle of his right front. I think he was > cooking them trying to stay ahead of Michael. > > Milhouse > >

Maybe, but if Ruebens hadn't cut in front of him, the worst Ralf would have done is go off course by himself in this situation. -John "Todd Sorensen" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:a5tv6i$a9s74$[email hidden]... > I'd say Ralf is to blame. I don't think he would have made the turn > regardless of whether Barrichello was there or not. He was going tofast!!

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> > Todd > > > "Milhouse" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:NXkg8.24726$[email hidden]... > > First, sorry if someone's already posted something in regards to this,

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> > newsserver has been sucking goats lately... > > > > Second... > > well... > > I'll hide it in case some of you still haven't watched it yet. =) > > > > . > > > > . > > > > . > > > > . > > > > . > > > > . > > > > . > > > > . > > > > . > > > > . > > > > . > > > > . > > > > . > > > > . > > > > . > > > > okay, I think it's safe now. If you still see this right off, you're

just > > running too high resolution with your messages maximised, that's all. ;) > > > > Just two things I want to mention at the moment: Whose fault do youthink

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> > most of that first turn stuff was - Barrichello or Ralfie? I think it's > > more Ralf but both of them were pretty boneheaded...along with a lot of > > other drivers but those two mostly... > > > > The other being...did anyone else notice Montoya's tires, specifically, > his > > right front, not long before Michael got around him finally? (Both of > those > > passes, Juan around Michael, and Michael back around Juan, were > AWESOME....) > > It looked to me like he was blistering them a bit, there was a nice, > > widening dark line down the middle of his right front. I think he was > > cooking them trying to stay ahead of Michael. > > > > Milhouse > > > > > >

On Sun, 03 Mar 2002 08:35:19 GMT, "Kevin F. Gavitt" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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> >There's an old saying: "The graveyard is full of people who were in the >right." > >KFG > > >

Bugger, when you use an unfamiliar news agent in the wee hours of the morning you are likely to begin a new thread rather than respond to an existing one. Agent may be a great agent, but its icons suck. KFG

You are probably correct. "John Pancoast" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> Maybe, but if Ruebens hadn't cut in front of him, the worst Ralf would > have done is go off course by himself in this situation. > > -John > > > "Todd Sorensen" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:a5tv6i$a9s74$[email hidden]... > > I'd say Ralf is to blame. I don't think he would have made the turn > > regardless of whether Barrichello was there or not. He was going to > fast!! > > > > Todd > > > > > > "Milhouse" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:NXkg8.24726$[email hidden]... > > > First, sorry if someone's already posted something in regards to this, > my > > > newsserver has been sucking goats lately... > > > > > > Second... > > > well... > > > I'll hide it in case some of you still haven't watched it yet. =) > > > > > > . > > > > > > . > > > > > > . > > > > > > . > > > > > > . > > > > > > . > > > > > > . > > > > > > . > > > > > > . > > > > > > . > > > > > > . > > > > > > . > > > > > > . > > > > > > . > > > > > > . > > > > > > okay, I think it's safe now. If you still see this right off, you're > just > > > running too high resolution with your messages maximised, that's all.

;) > > > > > > Just two things I want to mention at the moment: Whose fault do you > think > > > most of that first turn stuff was - Barrichello or Ralfie? I thinkit's > > > more Ralf but both of them were pretty boneheaded...along with a lotof > > > other drivers but those two mostly... > > > > > > The other being...did anyone else notice Montoya's tires,specifically,

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> > his > > > right front, not long before Michael got around him finally? (Both of > > those > > > passes, Juan around Michael, and Michael back around Juan, were > > AWESOME....) > > > It looked to me like he was blistering them a bit, there was a nice, > > > widening dark line down the middle of his right front. I think he was > > > cooking them trying to stay ahead of Michael. > > > > > > Milhouse > > > > > > > > > > > >

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Yeah, well, you Aussies always do well, . . . so long as everyone in front of you crashes out. :) KFG

Er, he was in contention for the race until he looped it when the safety car was pulling away. His engine went not long after. ;) Milhouse "John Pancoast" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Judging by the results of the wreck, I'd say notenough..........Coulthard

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> was still in the race until his engine went :) > > -John > > > "Bart Brown" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > How much did Mikey pay Brother Ralf to bunt his only serious competition > > out of the race? FoxNews at 11... Wait'll Max and Bernie put 'em all on > > 145/85-13 bias-ply tires, THEN you'll see some REAL RACIN'! > > > > BB > >

"Steve Levett" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:a5t85p$9s4hl$[email hidden]... > Er, RB moved across onto RS line then jumped on the brakes. No one herecan > say if RS braked late or RB braked early but RB was swerving all over the > place and IMO should be given a penalty as stated by the FIA. > The rules state you can only block once and he clearly did more than that > and I'm tired of the Ferarris weaving all over the track at every start.The > same thing is going to happen over and over until the FIA start enforcing > their own rules Which, if you think about it, they did... Half the field was gone, yet they didn't red-flag it to allow them to all get in backups like they've done in the past. I think they're trying to send a message - get retarded at the start and you won't be around to be retarded at the end of the race. Either way, I think both of them were idiots. I mean, when RB went right to block...rather than go left like most people would, RS went -further- right??? How are you going to make that first turn from that far inside??? Milhouse

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> -- > > Steve Levett > > > "Heckler ����" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:a5t3oo$a5qi8$[email hidden]... > > > > "Milhouse" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:NXkg8.24726$[email hidden]... > > > First, sorry if someone's already posted something in regards to this, > my > > > newsserver has been sucking goats lately... > > > > > > Second... > > > well... > > > I'll hide it in case some of you still haven't watched it yet. =) > > > > > > . > > > > > > . > > > > > > . > > > > > > . > > > > > > . > > > > > > . > > > > > > . > > > > > > . > > > > > > . > > > > > > . > > > > > > . > > > > > > . > > > > > > . > > > > > > . > > > > > > . > > > > > > okay, I think it's safe now. If you still see this right off, you're > just > > > running too high resolution with your messages maximised, that's all.

;) > > > > > > Just two things I want to mention at the moment: Whose fault do you > think > > > most of that first turn stuff was - Barrichello or Ralfie? I thinkit's > > > more Ralf but both of them were pretty boneheaded...along with a lotof

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> > > other drivers but those two mostly... > > > > Definitely Ralf's fault, if he was going to attempt to get past Reubens, > he > > should have moved over a lot more to the right of the track, Reubens > hardly > > moved back across. Ralf simply misjudged his braking, he clobbered the > > Ferrari very hard indeed... I thought the car was going to flip for

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> > his > > > right front, not long before Michael got around him finally? (Both of > > those > > > passes, Juan around Michael, and Michael back around Juan, were > > AWESOME....) > > > It looked to me like he was blistering them a bit, there was a nice, > > > widening dark line down the middle of his right front. I think he was > > > cooking them trying to stay ahead of Michael. > > > > They had completely different setups, Schuemey was set more for the

turns, > > whilst Montoya seemed to be set more for speed.... He had a lot lesswing

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> on > > the car. > > > > It was a great race though, the pile up at the start created lots of > > oportunities for the back runners.... Very nice to see Irvine jump from > 19th > > to 5th by the 2nd corner and it was great to see both Minardi's finish

in > > the points for the first time in 2 years. And Toyota performed quitewell > > for their first outing. > > > > One thing is obvious though... Ferrari are still the team to beat, even > > though they were using last years car. Jaguar need to be a lot of workto

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> be > > competitive too. > > > > > > > > Heckler > > > > > >

Lol, good point. Guess he got a little excited. -John "Milhouse" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:39Ag8.26131$[email hidden]... > Er, he was in contention for the race until he looped it when the safetycar

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> was pulling away. His engine went not long after. ;) > > Milhouse > > "John Pancoast" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > Judging by the results of the wreck, I'd say not > enough..........Coulthard > > was still in the race until his engine went :) > > > > -John > > > > > > "Bart Brown" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:[email hidden]... > > > How much did Mikey pay Brother Ralf to bunt his only serious

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> > > 145/85-13 bias-ply tires, THEN you'll see some REAL RACIN'! > > > > > > BB > > > > > >

Yes, well, easy for me to say; I didn't have to make a split-second decision going 100+ mph after winning the pole <G> Stuff happens, just glad no one was hurt. -John "Todd Sorensen" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:a5u8od$a6fun$[email hidden]...

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> You are probably correct. > > > "John Pancoast" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > Maybe, but if Ruebens hadn't cut in front of him, the worst Ralf would > > have done is go off course by himself in this situation. > > > > -John > > > > > > "Todd Sorensen" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:a5tv6i$a9s74$[email hidden]... > > > I'd say Ralf is to blame. I don't think he would have made the turn > > > regardless of whether Barrichello was there or not. He was going to > > fast!! > > > > > > Todd > > > > > > > > > "Milhouse" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > news:NXkg8.24726$[email hidden]... > > > > First, sorry if someone's already posted something in regards to

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> ;) > > > > > > > > Just two things I want to mention at the moment: Whose fault do you > > think > > > > most of that first turn stuff was - Barrichello or Ralfie? I think > it's > > > > more Ralf but both of them were pretty boneheaded...along with a lot > of > > > > other drivers but those two mostly... > > > > > > > > The other being...did anyone else notice Montoya's tires, > specifically, > > > his > > > > right front, not long before Michael got around him finally? (Both

of > > > those > > > > passes, Juan around Michael, and Michael back around Juan, were > > > AWESOME....) > > > > It looked to me like he was blistering them a bit, there was a nice, > > > > widening dark line down the middle of his right front. I think hewas

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> > > > cooking them trying to stay ahead of Michael. > > > > > > > > Milhouse > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

In article <a5t3oo$a5qi8$[email hidden]>, "Heckler ����" <[email hidden]> writes: >It was a great race though, the pile up at the start created lots of >oportunities for the back runners.... Very nice to see Irvine jump from 19th >to 5th by the 2nd corner and it was great to see both Minardi's finish in >the points for the first time in 2 years. No they didn't - Yoong finished in 7th - no points... Eldred -- Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPLRank - under construction... Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

His transmission did something really odd and that's why he went off course, and eventually retired. David G Fisher "John Pancoast" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> Lol, good point. Guess he got a little excited. > > -John > > > "Milhouse" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:39Ag8.26131$[email hidden]... > > Er, he was in contention for the race until he looped it when the safety > car > > was pulling away. His engine went not long after. ;) > > > > Milhouse > > > > "John Pancoast" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:[email hidden]... > > > Judging by the results of the wreck, I'd say not > > enough..........Coulthard > > > was still in the race until his engine went :) > > > > > > -John > > > > > > > > > "Bart Brown" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > news:[email hidden]... > > > > How much did Mikey pay Brother Ralf to bunt his only serious > competition > > > > out of the race? FoxNews at 11... Wait'll Max and Bernie put 'em all > on > > > > 145/85-13 bias-ply tires, THEN you'll see some REAL RACIN'! > > > > > > > > BB > > > > > > > > > > > > >

I was referring, of course, to Barrichello... BB John Pancoast wrote:

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> > Judging by the results of the wreck, I'd say not enough..........Coulthard > was still in the race until his engine went :) > > -John > > "Bart Brown" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > How much did Mikey pay Brother Ralf to bunt his only serious competition > > out of the race? FoxNews at 11... Wait'll Max and Bernie put 'em all on > > 145/85-13 bias-ply tires, THEN you'll see some REAL RACIN'! > > > > BB

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> > Gerry Aitken <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > Let me put it this way, David: Your comments are worthless! > > Gerry > > PS. Oh yeah: And groundless! > > Nope.... > > Mikkel

yup I agree with Mikkel who agrees with David. JPM passed with Horsepower, Schumi passed with finesse. A beaut of a move. But also one the tried several times...JPM might have been an ass and blocked the line. Fortunately he did not. I have a question...did the RACE not get a Red flag because the WRONG Ferrari got hit? Thinking back to Hockenheim last year when MS got nailed the race was stopped. Ruebens didn't get the same break. Either that or he's not as race crafty since he pulled off the racing line and MS made sure his wounded Ferrari stopped directly on the racing line... wink wink nudge nudge dave henrie

I agree. I was glad to see no red flag. They both blew it; neither of them should have the opportunity to try it again. Pity the poor guys behind them. In the post-race interview, JPM said his tires were fine, no blisters that he saw. MS could pass when he did because his tires came in a little later than JPM's . . . again per the post-race interviews. Some great racing for a change. Jim Milhouse wrote:

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> "Steve Levett" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:a5t85p$9s4hl$[email hidden]... > > Er, RB moved across onto RS line then jumped on the brakes. No one here > can > > say if RS braked late or RB braked early but RB was swerving all over the > > place and IMO should be given a penalty as stated by the FIA. > > The rules state you can only block once and he clearly did more than that > > and I'm tired of the Ferarris weaving all over the track at every start. > The > > same thing is going to happen over and over until the FIA start enforcing > > their own rules > > Which, if you think about it, they did... > > Half the field was gone, yet they didn't red-flag it to allow them to all > get in backups like they've done in the past. I think they're trying to > send a message - get retarded at the start and you won't be around to be > retarded at the end of the race. > > Either way, I think both of them were idiots. I mean, when RB went right to > block...rather than go left like most people would, RS went -further- > right??? How are you going to make that first turn from that far inside??? > > Milhouse > > > -- > > > > Steve Levett > > > > > > "Heckler ����" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:a5t3oo$a5qi8$[email hidden]... > > > > > > "Milhouse" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > news:NXkg8.24726$[email hidden]... > > > > First, sorry if someone's already posted something in regards to this, > > my > > > > newsserver has been sucking goats lately... > > > > > > > > Second... > > > > well... > > > > I'll hide it in case some of you still haven't watched it yet. =) > > > > okay, I think it's safe now. If you still see this right off, you're > > just > > > > running too high resolution with your messages maximised, that's all. > ;) > > > > > > > > Just two things I want to mention at the moment: Whose fault do you > > think > > > > most of that first turn stuff was - Barrichello or Ralfie? I think > it's > > > > more Ralf but both of them were pretty boneheaded...along with a lot > of > > > > other drivers but those two mostly... > > > > > > Definitely Ralf's fault, if he was going to attempt to get past Reubens, > > he > > > should have moved over a lot more to the right of the track, Reubens > > hardly > > > moved back across. Ralf simply misjudged his braking, he clobbered the > > > Ferrari very hard indeed... I thought the car was going to flip for > sure. > > > > > > > The other being...did anyone else notice Montoya's tires, > specifically, > > > his > > > > right front, not long before Michael got around him finally? (Both of > > > those > > > > passes, Juan around Michael, and Michael back around Juan, were > > > AWESOME....) > > > > It looked to me like he was blistering them a bit, there was a nice, > > > > widening dark line down the middle of his right front. I think he was > > > > cooking them trying to stay ahead of Michael. > > > > > > They had completely different setups, Schuemey was set more for the > turns, > > > whilst Montoya seemed to be set more for speed.... He had a lot less > wing > > on > > > the car. > > > > > > It was a great race though, the pile up at the start created lots of > > > oportunities for the back runners.... Very nice to see Irvine jump from > > 19th > > > to 5th by the 2nd corner and it was great to see both Minardi's finish > in > > > the points for the first time in 2 years. And Toyota performed quite > well > > > for their first outing. > > > > > > One thing is obvious though... Ferrari are still the team to beat, even > > > though they were using last years car. Jaguar need to be a lot of work > to > > be > > > competitive too > > > > > > Heckler

"The Carvalho Family" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > I agree. I was glad to see no red flag. They both blew it; neither of them > should have the opportunity to try it again. Pity the poor guys behindthem. That's life, though. Nothing like peer pressure to straighten some F1 boys out. =) > In the post-race interview, JPM said his tires were fine, no blisters thathe > saw. MS could pass when he did because his tires came in a little laterthan > JPM's . . . again per the post-race interviews. I guess some other people noticed that line on his right front too. *shrug* I still think he had to abuse his tires to stay in front of MS, but maybe not as bad as I thought. > Some great racing for a change. Definitely!!! I like the way this year is shaping up; if BMW continues advancing like they did last year, by the end of the year, they'll still have the speed advantage, along with Ferrari-esque roadholding... Who knows, this could be the start of another great F1 rivalry...I'd love to see one of these since I was too young to really care enough about F1 to notice Senna and...well...everyone. ;) Milhouse

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here > > can > > > say if RS braked late or RB braked early but RB was swerving all overthe > > > place and IMO should be given a penalty as stated by the FIA. > > > The rules state you can only block once and he clearly did more thanthat > > > and I'm tired of the Ferarris weaving all over the track at everystart. > > The > > > same thing is going to happen over and over until the FIA startenforcing > > > their own rules > > > > Which, if you think about it, they did... > > > > Half the field was gone, yet they didn't red-flag it to allow them toall > > get in backups like they've done in the past. I think they're trying to > > send a message - get retarded at the start and you won't be around to be > > retarded at the end of the race. > > > > Either way, I think both of them were idiots. I mean, when RB wentright to > > block...rather than go left like most people would, RS went -further- > > right??? How are you going to make that first turn from that farinside???

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you're > > > just > > > > > running too high resolution with your messages maximised, that'sall. > > ;) > > > > > > > > > > Just two things I want to mention at the moment: Whose fault doyou > > > think > > > > > most of that first turn stuff was - Barrichello or Ralfie? Ithink > > it's > > > > > more Ralf but both of them were pretty boneheaded...along with alot > > of > > > > > other drivers but those two mostly... > > > > > > > > Definitely Ralf's fault, if he was going to attempt to get pastReubens, > > > he > > > > should have moved over a lot more to the right of the track, Reubens > > > hardly > > > > moved back across. Ralf simply misjudged his braking, he clobberedthe

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(Both of > > > > those > > > > > passes, Juan around Michael, and Michael back around Juan, were > > > > AWESOME....) > > > > > It looked to me like he was blistering them a bit, there was anice, > > > > > widening dark line down the middle of his right front. I think hewas

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> > > > > cooking them trying to stay ahead of Michael. > > > > > > > > They had completely different setups, Schuemey was set more for the > > turns, > > > > whilst Montoya seemed to be set more for speed.... He had a lot less > > wing > > > on > > > > the car. > > > > > > > > It was a great race though, the pile up at the start created lots of > > > > oportunities for the back runners.... Very nice to see Irvine jump

from > > > 19th > > > > to 5th by the 2nd corner and it was great to see both Minardi'sfinish > > in > > > > the points for the first time in 2 years. And Toyota performed quite > > well > > > > for their first outing. > > > > > > > > One thing is obvious though... Ferrari are still the team to beat,even > > > > though they were using last years car. Jaguar need to be a lot ofwork > > to > > > be > > > > competitive too > > > > > > > > Heckler >

"David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:lAmg8.304228$[email hidden]... > > JPM's pass was simply him having more hp coming down the straightaway. > Nothing special. MS's pass on JPM though was a thing of beauty. Goingaround

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> the outside could not have been easy. If F12001 or F1RC are even a little > accurate, then that was a tremendous move. > > I'll put it this way. If JPM had made that move on MS, there'd be twenty > posts in this thread by now from Montoya fans (there's a pocket of Montoya > fans here at r.a.s.--probably due to his CART career) raving how it proves > he can beat MS and is the next great F1 driver. :-) > > David G Fisher >

I also thought Trulli's driving was excellent until he lost it. Hard but fair defence of his position. Schumacher's move was a clever one, using a modified line to build momentum. I thoroughly enjoyed the race. Stephen

In article <q0Ag8.32326$[email hidden]>, "Kevin F. Gavitt" <[email hidden]> writes: >Yeah, well, you Aussies always do well, . . . so long as everyone in front >of you crashes out. :) That's what *I* count on in all my races...<g> Eldred -- Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPLRank - under construction... Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

In article <[email hidden]>, The Carvalho Family <[email hidden]> writes: >In the post-race interview, JPM said his tires were fine, no blisters that he >saw. MS could pass when he did because his tires came in a little later than >JPM's . . . again per the post-race interviews. I got the impression from JPM's answer that there WERE blisters, people knew it, but he swept it under the rug. It was sort of a 'wink, wink' expression... Eldred -- Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPLRank - under construction... Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

In article <Yytg8.33916$[email hidden]>, "cgenn27" <[email hidden]> writes: >I would have to agree with you 100%!. If JPM made that pass we would be >flooded with posts on how Schumi is done and JPM is the next king. I like JPM more than I like MS, but that was still a GREAT pass... Eldred -- Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPLRank - under construction... Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

"Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> wrote in news:gDAg8.46229$[email hidden]:

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> > "Mikkel Gram-Hansen" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:3c824f1a$0$10812$[email hidden]... >> >> Gerry Aitken <[email hidden]> wrote in message >> news:[email hidden]... >> > Let me put it this way, David: Your comments are worthless! >> > Gerry >> > PS. Oh yeah: And groundless! >> >> Nope.... >> >> Mikkel > yup I agree with Mikkel who agrees with David. JPM passed with > Horsepower, Schumi passed with finesse. A beaut of a move. But also > one the tried several times...JPM might have been an ass and blocked > the line. Fortunately he did not. > I have a question...did the RACE not get a Red flag because the > WRONG > Ferrari got hit? Thinking back to Hockenheim last year when MS got > nailed the race was stopped. Ruebens didn't get the same break.

I don't buy it... > Either that or he's not as race crafty since he pulled off the racing > line and MS made sure his wounded Ferrari stopped directly on the > racing line... wink wink nudge nudge > dave henrie That's more like it. I'm reminded of Nigel Mansell in an interview, discussing the blow out that cost him the world championship. He said it would have been easy to park the car and rest his head to the side instead of getting out. They would have red flagged the race and counted his position on the previous lap, and he'd have won the DWC. But he didn't, he lost the championship, and won a lot of respect, certainly here in England. MS? I think he'd win at almost any cost. Great driver nontheless. cheers John

Dave Henrie wrote: > I have a question...did the RACE not get a Red flag because the WRONG > Ferrari got hit? Thinking back to Hockenheim last year when MS got nailed > the race was stopped. Ruebens didn't get the same break. Either that or > he's not as race crafty since he pulled off the racing line and MS made sure > his wounded Ferrari stopped directly on the racing line... wink wink nudge > nudge Hi Dave, I knew you'd come up with a conspiracy angle on the non-red flagged start! But if you go back and look at all the first lap incidents in the last several years, you'll find that the only thing consistent about the FIA's decisions are their inconsistency. And more often than not, their decisions have hurt, rather than helped Michael Schumacher. For this race, they must have felt that the racing line was clear enough to allow the safety car to safely escort them through the wreckage. The amount of debris on the track was certainly far less than at Hockenheim. As usual, the drivers differed on their opinions as to the call. I thought it was interesting that Ralf thought they made the right call. As far as it favoring Schumacher, think again. After the incident, he found himself in fourth, stuck behind a much slower car (Trulli in the Renault) with two of his main rivals for the championship, Coulthard and Montoya, free and clear to pull away. A restart would have helped him, not hurt him. And regarding the start itself, it seemed like the blame should be shared between Barrichello and Ralf. Reubens was moving all over the place, but given the speed with which Ralf hit him, Ralf was probably suffering from the red haze. Awesome start by Ralf, though. Williams must be doing something right with that launch control. But enough of the petty stuff ... I thought that was a very exciting race. The battle between Schumacher and Montoya was superb. Very hard, aggressive driving, yet no incidents resulted. Montoya is definitely maturing as a driver and will be a force to be reckoned with. He made a nice pass (taking him in the straight, while braking hard and deep into the turn). But Schumacher's pass was a thing of beauty, setting Montoya up for an outside move, then going inside with better exit speed. The battle with Trulli was also gripping - Trulli was slamming the door VERY hard on Michael, yet they managed not to touch. This is what I like about F1 - passes are hard to come by and they actually mean something. And congrats to Mark Webber getting two points for Minardi at his F1 debut and his home race. Very cool! Not to mention Toyota getting a point in their first race (although Salo screwed the pooch in spinning out and not passing Webber for fifth). Hell, even Irvine and Jaguar scored some points, and that is one woeful looking team (only managing to outqualify the pathetic Alex Yoong - not counting Sato in the Jordan who didn't get a lap in before the rain). What a miserable race for Arrows! After stalling both cars on the grid, they then make two rules infractions and get both cars black-flagged. I haven't read anything that indicates that DC's off behind the safety car was mechanical - Raikkonen had a similar exursion and admitted that he just blew it (coming out of the pits). If it was driver error, what a tool! As far as the upcoming races, you've got to like Ferrari in Malaysia, although the warm weather could help the Michelin teams. Ferrari have dominated at that track since its inception. However, I think Williams will be tough to beat in Brazil. With that very long straight into turn one, their BMW horsepower should give them an edge. Looks like an exciting season. Come on all you anti-F1 bigots, stop spouting all the tired "no passing" cliches and watch some races. You might even enoy them. Dave Ewing -- ***************************************************** David A. Ewing Xilinx Boulder [email hidden] *****************************************************

"David Ewing" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Looks like an exciting season. Come on all you anti-F1 bigots, stopspouting > all the tired "no passing" cliches and watch some races. You might evenenoy > them. It was fun until Michael got in front, then it was same-old, same-old. I watched the whole race (which was a first for me) but I read my book during a lot of it. It might have been more interesting if more of the fast guys survived lap 1, but to me it's only a "race" if there's some question about who will win.

"David Ewing" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > I haven't read anything that indicates that DC's off behind the safety carwas > mechanical - Raikkonen had a similar exursion and admitted that he justblew it > (coming out of the pits). If it was driver error, what a tool! http://www.formula1.com/news/headlines02/03/s8673.html "At the start, I managed to find my way through the debris to take the lead. However my car developed a gearbox down selection problem and when the safety car pulled in it put itself into neutral which caught me out and I went off the track," he commented. "I managed to rejoin but the problem continued and eventually the car jammed in sixth gear and that was the end of my race. Obviously I'm disappointed as we would have been in with a good chance today but that is racing and we must now look forward to Malaysia." David G Fisher

David G Fisher wrote: > "http://www.formula1.com/news/headlines02/03/s8673.html > "At the start, I managed to find my way through the debris to take the lead. > However my car developed a gearbox down selection problem and when the > safety car pulled in it put itself into neutral which caught me out and I > went off the track," he commented. Thanks, David. I hadn't seen that one yet. Dave Ewing -- ***************************************************** David A. Ewing Xilinx Boulder [email hidden] *****************************************************

David G Fisher wrote: > "At the start, I managed to find my way through the debris to takethe lead. > However my car developed a gearbox down selection problem and whenthe > safety car pulled in it put itself into neutral which caught meout and I > went off the track," he commented. Bad luck David...

So, you think he was trying to protect Michelin's honor? Wouldn't be surprising. I read his expressions differently; but, as my wife will attest, I have the social skill of a rabid badger. Jim EldredP wrote:

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> In article <[email hidden]>, The Carvalho Family <[email hidden]> > writes: > > >In the post-race interview, JPM said his tires were fine, no blisters that he > >saw. MS could pass when he did because his tires came in a little later than > >JPM's . . . again per the post-race interviews. > > I got the impression from JPM's answer that there WERE blisters, people knew > it, but he swept it under the rug. It was sort of a 'wink, wink' expression... > > Eldred > -- > Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 > Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett > GPLRank - under construction... > > Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you > with experience... > Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

"EldredP" > That's what *I* count on in all my races...<g> > > Eldred I thought those tactics seemed familiar! :) lol dave henrie

On Sun, 03 Mar 2002 10:06:09 GMT, "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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> >JPM's pass was simply him having more hp coming down the straightaway. >Nothing special. MS's pass on JPM though was a thing of beauty. Going around >the outside could not have been easy. If F12001 or F1RC are even a little >accurate, then that was a tremendous move. > >I'll put it this way. If JPM had made that move on MS, there'd be twenty >posts in this thread by now from Montoya fans (there's a pocket of Montoya >fans here at r.a.s.--probably due to his CART career) raving how it proves >he can beat MS and is the next great F1 driver. :-) > >David G Fisher >

Oh come on, Montoya messed up and took the inside line going into the corner so his exit speed was VERY slow. Schumi took the normal line and easily passed Monty as if he was driving a Minardi...

No, I didn't triple post this - my damn ISP (directv) was so kind as to post it in triplicate for me, and then proceeded to shut down their news server for 36 hours. Freakin' morons. Anyway, sorry about the multiple posts. Mark "Mark Roberts" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:3c829f21_1@news1... > Agreed. The folks on Speedvision (or whatever they're calling themselves > nowadays) were busy blaming the whole thing on RS but it sure looked likeRB > made TWO moves to protect his position - and the second one left RS out to > dry. > > As to the original poster, it was a great 20 laps and then a ratherstraight > forward race, IMO. And huge thanks to you for not putting a race'spoiler'

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> into your message header. I can't tell you how I've seen headers like > 'Forza Ferrari!' after a Ferrari F1 victory and thereby given away the > result of a race for those of us who taped it. (My solution has been to > just avoid R.A.S. until I've seen the tape...) Anyway, thanks for being > considerate! > > -Mark > > "Steve Levett" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:a5t85p$9s4hl$[email hidden]... > > Er, RB moved across onto RS line then jumped on the brakes. No one here > can > > say if RS braked late or RB braked early but RB was swerving all over

the > > place and IMO should be given a penalty as stated by the FIA. > > The rules state you can only block once and he clearly did more thanthat > > and I'm tired of the Ferarris weaving all over the track at every start. > The > > same thing is going to happen over and over until the FIA startenforcing

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> > their own rules > > > > -- > > > > Steve Levett > > > > > > "Heckler ����" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:a5t3oo$a5qi8$[email hidden]... > > > > > > "Milhouse" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > news:NXkg8.24726$[email hidden]... > > > > First, sorry if someone's already posted something in regards to

this,

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you're > > just > > > > running too high resolution with your messages maximised, that'sall.

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> ;) > > > > > > > > Just two things I want to mention at the moment: Whose fault do you > > think > > > > most of that first turn stuff was - Barrichello or Ralfie? I think > it's > > > > more Ralf but both of them were pretty boneheaded...along with a lot > of > > > > other drivers but those two mostly... > > > > > > Definitely Ralf's fault, if he was going to attempt to get past

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> > he > > > should have moved over a lot more to the right of the track, Reubens > > hardly > > > moved back across. Ralf simply misjudged his braking, he clobbered the > > > Ferrari very hard indeed... I thought the car was going to flip for > sure. > > > > > > > The other being...did anyone else notice Montoya's tires, > specifically, > > > his > > > > right front, not long before Michael got around him finally? (Both

of > > > those > > > > passes, Juan around Michael, and Michael back around Juan, were > > > AWESOME....) > > > > It looked to me like he was blistering them a bit, there was a nice, > > > > widening dark line down the middle of his right front. I think hewas

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> > > > cooking them trying to stay ahead of Michael. > > > > > > They had completely different setups, Schuemey was set more for the > turns, > > > whilst Montoya seemed to be set more for speed.... He had a lot less > wing > > on > > > the car. > > > > > > It was a great race though, the pile up at the start created lots of > > > oportunities for the back runners.... Very nice to see Irvine jump

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> > 19th > > > to 5th by the 2nd corner and it was great to see both Minardi's finish > in > > > the points for the first time in 2 years. And Toyota performed quite > well > > > for their first outing. > > > > > > One thing is obvious though... Ferrari are still the team to beat,

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> > > though they were using last years car. Jaguar need to be a lot of work > to > > be > > > competitive too. > > > > > > > > > > > > Heckler > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

On Sun, 03 Mar 2002 22:27:50 GMT, Kevin F. Gavitt <[email hidden]> wrote: > Bugger, when you use an unfamiliar news agent in the wee hours of the > morning you are likely to begin a new thread rather than respond to an > existing one. > > Agent may be a great agent, but its icons suck. My news reader assigned your post to the correct thread, as it should be. Slrn, available for both Linux and Windows ;-) uwe

Uwe Schuerkamp wrote:

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> On Sun, 03 Mar 2002 22:27:50 GMT, Kevin F. Gavitt <[email hidden]> > wrote: > >> Bugger, when you use an unfamiliar news agent in the wee hours of the >> morning you are likely to begin a new thread rather than respond to an >> existing one. >> >> Agent may be a great agent, but its icons suck. > > My news reader assigned your post to the correct thread, as it should > be. Slrn, available for both Linux and Windows ;-) > > uwe

Yeah, I even use vim in Windows. Some people think that's sick. KFG