weird NR2002 qualifying

This has happened to me twice, once in MP, once in SP race. I was online, at Las Vegas, and it was time to qualify. I had forgotten to go into the garage and select a setup, so it was set to <NONE>. I dont know what that really means, but I blew away the field by 1.5 mph. I assumed I was just better than everyone else in that particular race, but was suprised that <NONE> would even be remotely competitive. The lap time was actually not that bad. The car went where I pointed it, but felt really sluggish and soft. Oh well. I didn't notice that yellows were on, and so after driving around for about 10 minutes at 55mph, I left. Never got to see if my race setup was decent there or not. Later on, I was running a single player race against the AI at 100%. In practice, after tuning my race setup to, I was able to run about 22nd fastest. Eventually, it was time to qual. Silly me, I forgot to load a Q setup again. I knew for sure the AI would spank me silly, but lo and behold, I was on the pole again. By a really big margin. Then in the race, the AI is eating me alive, at least until my tires warm up. Is there something going on when you fail to select a setup? I can accept that I was probably faster than the humans I was racing online, but how on earth could I have beat the AI? Has anyone else (as forgetful as I am) noticed the same phenomenon? Gerald

If you mean that the "Default Qualifying Setup" was set to none, then the setup in your car was the last one that you used in practice. If a default race or Q setup is not designated, it simply leaves the last setup in that you ran (in practice or warmup or even the last time you were at that track). Surely you had run some kind of setup in practice...that simply carried over to the Q sessions. I don't assign setups to the default race and default qualify since weather changes always play a role in what I want to run and if I have a good setup plugged in during warmup and it goes to race, with a setup designated in the 'Defualt Race" box, then it dumps my tweaked setup for the one listed. I've done that and it sucks. I want to hand tweak each setup before each session and not have the game pull up a canned setup that may only be approproate 5% of the time. My advice is to leave them set to NONE and manually choose or make your setup before each session. That way if it goes to cloudy or the wind shifts you can adjust accordingly rather than running a setup tuned for entirely different conditions. Gerald Moore <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> This has happened to me twice, once in MP, once in SP race. > > I was online, at Las Vegas, and it was time to qualify. I had > forgotten to go into the garage and select a setup, so it was set to > <NONE>. I dont know what that really means, but I blew away the field > by 1.5 mph. I assumed I was just better than everyone else in that > particular race, but was suprised that <NONE> would even be remotely > competitive. The lap time was actually not that bad. The car went > where I pointed it, but felt really sluggish and soft. Oh well. I > didn't notice that yellows were on, and so after driving around for > about 10 minutes at 55mph, I left. Never got to see if my race setup > was decent there or not. > > Later on, I was running a single player race against the AI at 100%. > In practice, after tuning my race setup to, I was able to run about > 22nd fastest. Eventually, it was time to qual. Silly me, I forgot to > load a Q setup again. I knew for sure the AI would spank me silly, > but lo and behold, I was on the pole again. By a really big margin. > Then in the race, the AI is eating me alive, at least until my tires > warm up. > > Is there something going on when you fail to select a setup? I can > accept that I was probably faster than the humans I was racing online, > but how on earth could I have beat the AI? > > Has anyone else (as forgetful as I am) noticed the same phenomenon? > > Gerald

Maybe I don't understand what you're trying to say, but you don't need to go into the garage before each qualifying session and load up a qualify setup. Just set it up once...go into the garage and set in your race setup and your qualify setup. It switches from the race setup to the qualify setup automatically when you go to your qualify session. As I said...maybe I don't understand... Jim Tester "Gerald Moore" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> This has happened to me twice, once in MP, once in SP race. > > I was online, at Las Vegas, and it was time to qualify. I had > forgotten to go into the garage and select a setup, so it was set to > <NONE>. I dont know what that really means, but I blew away the field > by 1.5 mph. I assumed I was just better than everyone else in that > particular race, but was suprised that <NONE> would even be remotely > competitive. The lap time was actually not that bad. The car went > where I pointed it, but felt really sluggish and soft. Oh well. I > didn't notice that yellows were on, and so after driving around for > about 10 minutes at 55mph, I left. Never got to see if my race setup > was decent there or not. > > Later on, I was running a single player race against the AI at 100%. > In practice, after tuning my race setup to, I was able to run about > 22nd fastest. Eventually, it was time to qual. Silly me, I forgot to > load a Q setup again. I knew for sure the AI would spank me silly, > but lo and behold, I was on the pole again. By a really big margin. > Then in the race, the AI is eating me alive, at least until my tires > warm up. > > Is there something going on when you fail to select a setup? I can > accept that I was probably faster than the humans I was racing online, > but how on earth could I have beat the AI? > > Has anyone else (as forgetful as I am) noticed the same phenomenon? > > Gerald

I wondered that too. First time at a track and I forget to load a setup........what is used? Not a big deal of course, but I'm curious. David G Fisher "Gerald Moore" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> This has happened to me twice, once in MP, once in SP race. > > I was online, at Las Vegas, and it was time to qualify. I had > forgotten to go into the garage and select a setup, so it was set to > <NONE>. I dont know what that really means, but I blew away the field > by 1.5 mph. I assumed I was just better than everyone else in that > particular race, but was suprised that <NONE> would even be remotely > competitive. The lap time was actually not that bad. The car went > where I pointed it, but felt really sluggish and soft. Oh well. I > didn't notice that yellows were on, and so after driving around for > about 10 minutes at 55mph, I left. Never got to see if my race setup > was decent there or not. > > Later on, I was running a single player race against the AI at 100%. > In practice, after tuning my race setup to, I was able to run about > 22nd fastest. Eventually, it was time to qual. Silly me, I forgot to > load a Q setup again. I knew for sure the AI would spank me silly, > but lo and behold, I was on the pole again. By a really big margin. > Then in the race, the AI is eating me alive, at least until my tires > warm up. > > Is there something going on when you fail to select a setup? I can > accept that I was probably faster than the humans I was racing online, > but how on earth could I have beat the AI? > > Has anyone else (as forgetful as I am) noticed the same phenomenon? > > Gerald >

The easy setup is the default selection in the 'Current' drop-down. - Eric "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:b1Tg8.259410$[email hidden]... > I wondered that too. First time at a track and I forget to load a > setup........what is used? Not a big deal of course, but I'm curious.

OK. Let me elaborate a bit. I went to Las Vegas in NR2002 for the first time last week. Current was set to <EASY>, which I immediately ditched in favor of <FAST> ran a bunch of laps in testing, then went to a single race. Spent about 45 min in practice, tweak, tweak, tweaking away. Qualify was set to <NONE>. I now understand that this means it uses whatever setup you had last loaded, in this case, the tweaked setup I had been running in practice. What I still dont believe or undertand is how in the world I beat the AI set to %100 by such a huge margin at qualifying, especially with a race setup. I don't remember my Q run being anything super special, but maybe it was... The thing that sets bells off is that the AI was *way* faster than me at the start of the race session. Gerald "Eric Busch" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<a60ugh$c4h$[email hidden]>...

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> The easy setup is the default selection in the 'Current' drop-down. > > - Eric > > > "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:b1Tg8.259410$[email hidden]... > > I wondered that too. First time at a track and I forget to load a > > setup........what is used? Not a big deal of course, but I'm curious.

Thanks for the info, CarGuy. Your procedure might be a bit of a problem when racing online though. What if I qualified (100% tape, excessive pressures, overly tight car, etc.) Then went straight to the race (no warmup). If I dont specify a default race setup, I will still be in the garage changing things when the race starts... unless I want to blow my motor after 3 or 4 laps. I find the weather can change a great deal from session to session, so you wind up having to make some changes anyway, most frequently to tape, and possibly to crossweight. You get barely enough time to do this in the 30 seconds between the end of qual and the start of the pace lap, let alone make more extensive changes to tire pressures, camber, springs etc. Am I missing something? Gerald "CarGuy" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<D8Sg8.14427$[email hidden]>...

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> If you mean that the "Default Qualifying Setup" was set to none, then the > setup in your car was the last one that you used in practice. > > If a default race or Q setup is not designated, it simply leaves the last > setup in that you ran (in practice or warmup or even the last time you were > at that track). Surely you had run some kind of setup in practice...that > simply carried over to the Q sessions. > > I don't assign setups to the default race and default qualify since weather > changes always play a role in what I want to run and if I have a good setup > plugged in during warmup and it goes to race, with a setup designated in the > 'Defualt Race" box, then it dumps my tweaked setup for the one listed. I've > done that and it sucks. I want to hand tweak each setup before each session > and not have the game pull up a canned setup that may only be approproate 5% > of the time. My advice is to leave them set to NONE and manually choose or > make your setup before each session. That way if it goes to cloudy or the > wind shifts you can adjust accordingly rather than running a setup tuned for > entirely different conditions. > > > Gerald Moore <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > This has happened to me twice, once in MP, once in SP race. > > > > I was online, at Las Vegas, and it was time to qualify. I had > > forgotten to go into the garage and select a setup, so it was set to > > <NONE>. I dont know what that really means, but I blew away the field > > by 1.5 mph. I assumed I was just better than everyone else in that > > particular race, but was suprised that <NONE> would even be remotely > > competitive. The lap time was actually not that bad. The car went > > where I pointed it, but felt really sluggish and soft. Oh well. I > > didn't notice that yellows were on, and so after driving around for > > about 10 minutes at 55mph, I left. Never got to see if my race setup > > was decent there or not. > > > > Later on, I was running a single player race against the AI at 100%. > > In practice, after tuning my race setup to, I was able to run about > > 22nd fastest. Eventually, it was time to qual. Silly me, I forgot to > > load a Q setup again. I knew for sure the AI would spank me silly, > > but lo and behold, I was on the pole again. By a really big margin. > > Then in the race, the AI is eating me alive, at least until my tires > > warm up. > > > > Is there something going on when you fail to select a setup? I can > > accept that I was probably faster than the humans I was racing online, > > but how on earth could I have beat the AI? > > > > Has anyone else (as forgetful as I am) noticed the same phenomenon? > > > > Gerald

Gerald Moore <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> Thanks for the info, CarGuy. > > Your procedure might be a bit of a problem when racing online though. > > What if I qualified (100% tape, excessive pressures, overly tight car, > etc.) Then went straight to the race (no warmup). If I dont specify a > default race setup, I will still be in the garage changing things when > the race starts... unless I want to blow my motor after 3 or 4 laps. > > I find the weather can change a great deal from session to session, so > you wind up having to make some changes anyway, most frequently to > tape, and possibly to crossweight. You get barely enough time to do > this in the 30 seconds between the end of qual and the start of the > pace lap, let alone make more extensive changes to tire pressures, > camber, springs etc. > > Am I missing something? > > Gerald > >

The 30 second limit is tough, but I try to plug in as much chnages as I can in warmup. Typically the biggest change between warmup and race will be cloud cover or a few degrees in temp. If so it is a couple of clicks on the tires and maybe a tweak to the tape. So yes, it is tough, but I have done it so much that I have gotten to where I can tweak my setup AND make the start call with about 10 seconds to spare. Rarely will I make major changes in the 30 seconds before race time. Camber, gearing, and shocks should be pretty much set by then, wedge, track bar, tape, and pressure can obvoiusly be adjusted during the race I just like to tweak them as much as I can so I don't have so far to go (in trying to get the car 'just right') while racing. What I do as far as beating the time is immediately go load my race setup before qualifying ends so it is ready for warmup. If the race does not have a warmup session, then the host is really limiting the drivers IMO. I use this procedure exclusively online as I don't race offline at all. Making the call for race start is tight, but my car is generally less in need of adjustment until the fuel is about gone and it would be time to pit anyway.

Jim Tester <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:a60qvj$mot$[email hidden]... > Maybe I don't understand what you're trying to say, but you don't need togo > into the garage before each qualifying session and load up a qualifysetup. > Just set it up once...go into the garage and set in your race setup andyour

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> qualify setup. It switches from the race setup to the qualify setup > automatically when you go to your qualify session. > > As I said...maybe I don't understand... > > Jim Tester >

This only works in a perfect 70� world with no wind and no cloud cover. We're talking about running real conditions where one single setup will not work for every occasion, likely one setup (canned, stock setup) may only apply to 5-10% or less of the situations that you'd come across. I don't assign setups because I never qualify nor race a 'canned' setup. I do have some canned base line setups, I have 65�, 70�, 75� and 80� base setups (for each track) and even those need to be tweaked before and during each event, especially if cloud cover is present as I tune for clear and have a routine for adjusting for clouds. If you assign a single setup to Q and a single one to Race, you are limiting yourself and will generally need to make more adjustments during pit stops than those who tune the car to the conditions before the race ever starts. Example: Monday night I was practicing for an upcoming league event at Atlanta. We set our weather to try and mirror the actual race day weather forecast. The latest reports had Atlanta 57� and cloudy this coming Sunday. The best I could muster with my sunny/65� setup was 30.095. I pulled in, tweaked about 2 minutes and after 5 laps had turned a 29.8 alone and 29.65 behind a car about 10 car lengths, BIG difference. To me, enough of a difference to try and adjust rather than running a canned, programmed setup. The tires also went out past the 25 laps that wore out the set I had during my inital run on my 65� baseline, more like 35 laps before the push started coming in and I slowed to the 30.0 laps that were my previous best at lap 35...running canned setups is ok if you don't use real weather. Doing so with anything other than the stock 70�/Clear weather and you are seriously handicapping yourself in an online environment.

Yep...I was right when I said that I didn't understand what you were getting at. It's obvious to me what you are trying to do now. The online league I run in uses the Clear/No wind/70 degree settings for all our races. Like the blind man said..."I see now". Thanks for the explanation Jim Tester "CarGuy" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:E%sh8.27978$[email hidden]... > This only works in a perfect 70� world with no wind and no cloud cover. > We're talking about running real conditions where one single setup willnot > work for every occasion ===> Snip...