ARGHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :)

League race tonight at the Rock, N2002. My favorite track since N1. Take the lead around lap 20. Lead the next 65 laps, when a caution comes out. UNDER YELLOW.......boom, engine goes :( No, wasn't abusing the engine, etc.., etc., etc. Must be some more of that "No random breakdowns" code that doesn't exist :) -John p.s. Though it pissed me off........still pretty cool.......see the same thing during actual racing too.

On Mon, 4 Mar 2002 20:48:05 -0700, "John Pancoast" <[email hidden]> wrote: > League race tonight at the Rock, N2002. My favorite track since N1. There's a racing track at Alcatraz? > No, wasn't abusing the engine, etc.., etc., etc. > Must be some more of that "No random breakdowns" code that doesn't exist >:) Nothing more frustrating than that eh :) Papy once said in a chat that there was no such thing as random breakdowns in GPL. Surprised me, since I had some breakdowns too where I was sure I didn't overrev the engine. I think engine damage builds up, seems like all the little overrevs do you damage the engine more and more untill the point where it breaks down. Andre

Yep, same thing was said about N4. You've never run the Alcatraz circuit? Pit road is a real pain<G> -John "Andre Warringa" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> On Mon, 4 Mar 2002 20:48:05 -0700, "John Pancoast" > <[email hidden]> wrote: > > > League race tonight at the Rock, N2002. My favorite track since N1. > > There's a racing track at Alcatraz? > > > No, wasn't abusing the engine, etc.., etc., etc. > > Must be some more of that "No random breakdowns" code that doesn't

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> >:) > > Nothing more frustrating than that eh :) > Papy once said in a chat that there was no such thing as random > breakdowns in GPL. Surprised me, since I had some breakdowns too where > I was sure I didn't overrev the engine. I think engine damage builds > up, seems like all the little overrevs do you damage the engine more > and more untill the point where it breaks down. > > Andre > >

On Tue, 5 Mar 2002 07:42:18 -0700, "John Pancoast" <[email hidden]> wrote: > Yep, same thing was said about N4. You've never run the Alcatraz circuit? >Pit road is a real pain<G> > >-John Hehe, ok, which track is called the Rock? Andre

North Carolina, aka Rockingham/The Rock. -John "Andre Warringa" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > On Tue, 5 Mar 2002 07:42:18 -0700, "John Pancoast" > <[email hidden]> wrote: > > > Yep, same thing was said about N4. You've never run the Alcatrazcircuit?

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> On Tue, 5 Mar 2002 07:42:18 -0700, "John Pancoast" > <[email hidden]> wrote: > > >> Yep, same thing was said about N4. You've never run the Alcatraz circuit? >>Pit road is a real pain<G> >> >>-John >> > > Hehe, ok, which track is called the Rock? > > Andre >

North Carolina. It's located in Rockingham. -- Fester "Beware the leader who bangs the drums of war in order to whip the citizenry into a patriotic fervor, for patriotism is indeed a double-edged sword. It both emboldens the blood, just as it narrows the mind. And when the drums of war have reached a fever pitch and the blood boils with hate and the mind has closed, the leader will have no need in seizing the rights of the citizenry. Rather, the citizenry, infused with fear and blinded by patriotism, will offer up all of their rights unto the leader and gladly so. How do I know? For this is what I have done. And I am Caesar." -- Julius Caesar

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> > > "Beware the leader who bangs the drums of war in order to whip the > citizenry into a patriotic fervor, for patriotism is indeed a > double-edged sword. It both emboldens the blood, just as it narrows the > mind. And when the drums of war have reached a fever pitch and the > blood boils with hate and the mind has closed, the leader will have no > need in seizing the rights of the citizenry. Rather, the citizenry, > infused with fear and blinded by patriotism, will offer up all of their > rights unto the leader and gladly so. How do I know? For this is what I > have done. And I am Caesar." -- Julius Caesar

Food for thought..... Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy "The Pits" http://www.theuspits.com/ "Animation isn't the illusion of life; it is life" --Chuck Jones (1912-2002)--

On Tue, 5 Mar 2002 08:12:48 -0700, "John Pancoast" <[email hidden]> wrote: >North Carolina, aka Rockingham/The Rock. > >-John Ah, yesterday I did my first laps at that track. What a nightmare! Andre

I think so too. Happen to know from where this quote is taken, Fester? Goy Larsen <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

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> Uncle Fester wrote: > > > > > > "Beware the leader who bangs the drums of war in order to whip the > > citizenry into a patriotic fervor, for patriotism is indeed a > > double-edged sword. It both emboldens the blood, just as it narrows the > > mind. And when the drums of war have reached a fever pitch and the > > blood boils with hate and the mind has closed, the leader will have no > > need in seizing the rights of the citizenry. Rather, the citizenry, > > infused with fear and blinded by patriotism, will offer up all of their > > rights unto the leader and gladly so. How do I know? For this is what I > > have done. And I am Caesar." -- Julius Caesar > > Food for thought..... >

Admit it. You missed a shift on the restart and 'wrang er' out', didn't ya :) -Larry "John Pancoast" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> League race tonight at the Rock, N2002. My favorite track since N1. > Take the lead around lap 20. Lead the next 65 laps, when a caution comes > out. > UNDER YELLOW.......boom, engine goes :( > > No, wasn't abusing the engine, etc.., etc., etc. > > Must be some more of that "No random breakdowns" code that doesn't exist > :) > > -John > > p.s. Though it pissed me off........still pretty cool.......see the same > thing during actual racing too. > >

Ah, no :) -John "Larry (The Other Larry)" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:dWah8.18183$[email hidden]... > Admit it. You missed a shift on the restart and 'wrang er' out', didn'tya

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> :) > > -Larry > > "John Pancoast" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > League race tonight at the Rock, N2002. My favorite track since N1. > > Take the lead around lap 20. Lead the next 65 laps, when a caution

comes > > out. > > UNDER YELLOW.......boom, engine goes :( > > > > No, wasn't abusing the engine, etc.., etc., etc. > > > > Must be some more of that "No random breakdowns" code that doesn'texist > > :) > > > > -John > > > > p.s. Though it pissed me off........still pretty cool.......see thesame > > thing during actual racing too. > > > > > >

The same thing happened to me in my league race, but with N4 at Las Vegas (we we running a fixed setup race and the engine wasn't overheating). Out of turn 4, bam!, thick smoke and I was running on 4 cylinders... First time it ever happened to me in that game. John Pancoast wrote:

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> > League race tonight at the Rock, N2002. My favorite track since N1. > Take the lead around lap 20. Lead the next 65 laps, when a caution comes > out. > UNDER YELLOW.......boom, engine goes :( > > No, wasn't abusing the engine, etc.., etc., etc. > > Must be some more of that "No random breakdowns" code that doesn't exist > :) > > -John > > p.s. Though it pissed me off........still pretty cool.......see the same > thing during actual racing too.

-- Philippe "Philster" Sergerie

"I do not mean to exclude altogether the idea of patriotism. I know it exists, and I know it has done much in the present contest. But I will venture to assert, that a great and lasting war can never be supported on this principle alone. It must be aided by a prospect of interest, or some reward.' George Washington ----------------- "Patriot: One to whom the interests of a part seem superior to those of the whole. The dupe of statesmen and the tool of conquerors." "Patriotism: Combustible rubbish ready to the torch of any one ambitious to illuminate his name." Ambrose Bierce ----------------- "Patriotism, when it wants to make itself felt in the domain of learning, is a dirty fellow who should be thrown out of doors." Arthur Schopenhauer ----------------- "Patriotism ruins history." Johann Wolfgang Von Goethe ----------------- "... patriotism cannot go back to an innocent time before the murderous excesses of twentieth-century nationalism." Jean Bethke Elshtain ----------------- "Religion, morality, and patriotism are feelings that are manifested only when they are outraged." Karl Kraus ----------------- "We do not consider patriotism desirable if it contradicts civilized behavior." Friedrich D�rrenmatt ----------------- "It seems that American patriotism measures itself against an outcast group. The right Americans are the right Americans because they�re not like the wrong Americans, who are not really Americans. Eric J. Hobsbawm ----------------- "The heights of popularity and patriotism are still the beaten road to power and tyranny; flattery to treachery; standing armies to arbitrary government; and the glory of God to the temporal interest of the clergy." David Hume

You guys want to discuss politics and want to keep baiting for comments, at least have the decency to start another thread with it, instead of using one I made. -John "Bart Brown" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> "I do not mean to exclude altogether the idea of patriotism. I know it > exists, and I know it has done much in the present contest. But I will > venture to assert, that a great and lasting war can never be supported > on this principle alone. It must be aided by a prospect of interest, or > some reward.' > > George Washington > ----------------- > > "Patriot: One to whom the interests of a part seem superior to those of > the whole. The dupe of statesmen and the tool of conquerors." > "Patriotism: Combustible rubbish ready to the torch of any one ambitious > to illuminate his name." > > Ambrose Bierce > ----------------- > > "Patriotism, when it wants to make itself felt in the domain of > learning, is a dirty fellow who should be thrown out of doors." > > Arthur Schopenhauer > ----------------- > > "Patriotism ruins history." > > Johann Wolfgang Von Goethe > ----------------- > > "... patriotism cannot go back to an innocent time before the murderous > excesses of twentieth-century nationalism." > > Jean Bethke Elshtain > ----------------- > > "Religion, morality, and patriotism are feelings that are manifested > only when they are outraged." > > Karl Kraus > ----------------- > > "We do not consider patriotism desirable if it contradicts civilized

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> > Friedrich D�rrenmatt > ----------------- > > "It seems that American patriotism measures itself against an outcast > group. The right Americans are the right Americans because they're not > like the wrong Americans, who are not really Americans. > > Eric J. Hobsbawm > ----------------- > > "The heights of popularity and patriotism are still the beaten road to > power and tyranny; flattery to treachery; standing armies to arbitrary > government; and the glory of God to the temporal interest of the clergy." > > David Hume

Gerald Moore wrote: > I think so too. Happen to know from where this quote is taken, Fester? Unfortunately I do not. I happened upon it in my journeys about the 'Net. Anyone else know the origination? -- Fester "Beware the leader who bangs the drums of war in order to whip the citizenry into a patriotic fervor, for patriotism is indeed a double-edged sword. It both emboldens the blood, just as it narrows the mind. And when the drums of war have reached a fever pitch and the blood boils with hate and the mind has closed, the leader will have no need in seizing the rights of the citizenry. Rather, the citizenry, infused with fear and blinded by patriotism, will offer up all of their rights unto the leader and gladly so. How do I know? For this is what I have done. And I am Caesar." -- Julius Caesar

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> Andre Warringa wrote: > > > On Tue, 5 Mar 2002 07:42:18 -0700, "John Pancoast" > > <[email hidden]> wrote: > > > > > >> Yep, same thing was said about N4. You've never run the Alcatraz

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> >>Pit road is a real pain<G> > >> > >>-John > >> > > > > Hehe, ok, which track is called the Rock? > > > > Andre > > > > > > North Carolina. It's located in Rockingham. > > -- > > Fester

Close enough. It is called Rockingham, it's mailing address is Sophia and it is located near Hamlet (hence the back stretch 'Hamlet Tower' grandstands). Lovingly called 'The Rock', North Carolina Speedway (an ISC track) is really old, has an abrasive surface and is actually pretty fun to run. The track, though cited as being in Rockingham, is nearly halfway between Southern Pines and Rockingham NC off US HWY 1, both very small towns. Located across the street (literally) is a nice drag strip, also referred to as 'The Rock' by straight-liner fans. Home of the Winston Invitational until Bruton Smith bought Bristol and moved (wooed) the event there and it is now a regular event instead of the All Star race it was started as...The Rockingham Dragway is now host to 2 IHRA national events per year. NC is bad for calling tracks by wrong monikors, the Lowe's Motor Speedway used to be called the Charlotte Motor Speedway and is located near downtown Concord (about 20 minutes North of Charlotte off Hwy 85). I guess Concord Speedway was already taken by the small track the DEJ used to run modifieds at and Humpy/Bruton couldn't wrangle the naming rights away from the tiny track. About the only one they named properly was North Wilksboro. It is right outside of the town off Hwy 421 and sits eeriely quiet nowadays though I hear TRAC has it on their possible venue list. Had NW stayed 'in business', my guess is Lowe's would have bought the naming rights to that track as the Lowe's stores chain was founded in North Wilksboro, which is also home to Junior Jonhson's sausage company and was his home base during his years in the racing game. Makes since since it is in the foothills of the mountains here in NC and Junior was indeed a moon shiner before getting into NASCAR. NW is a sorely missed short track on the circuit today, I guess they favor the cooky cutter 1.5 mile tracks now...I still have it in NASCAR Legends though, hehe. Trivia tidbit: Who won the last NASCAR Winston Cup race at North Wilksboro? Was it A) Darryl Waltrip B) Dale Earnhardt (Sr) C) Terry Labonte or D) Jeff Gordon? Keep in mind the track closed in the early 90's... I am pretty sure the answer is D) Jeff Gordon. Was there last fall and the walls in the local Applebees are a shrine to the track and the people involved with it. I think JG was the winner in the last event there before NASCAR took it off the schedule.

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> On Mon, 4 Mar 2002 20:48:05 -0700, "John Pancoast" > <[email hidden]> wrote: > > > League race tonight at the Rock, N2002. My favorite track since N1. > > There's a racing track at Alcatraz? >

The arcade game Rush (The Rock) had an Alcatraz track. Always liked that game-trying to find hidden shortcuts to improve your lap times... John DiFool

NW's a great track; what stock car racing is, or at least, was all about until Nascar became cool. Re the trivia, 1996 was it's last year on the WC circuit........think it was Jeffy? I tend to block his victories out, on purpose :) -John "CarGuy" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:1msh8.27947$[email hidden]...

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> > Uncle Fester <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > Andre Warringa wrote: > > > > > On Tue, 5 Mar 2002 07:42:18 -0700, "John Pancoast" > > > <[email hidden]> wrote: > > > > > > > > >> Yep, same thing was said about N4. You've never run the Alcatraz > circuit? > > >>Pit road is a real pain<G> > > >> > > >>-John > > >> > > > > > > Hehe, ok, which track is called the Rock? > > > > > > Andre > > > > > > > > > > > North Carolina. It's located in Rockingham. > > > > -- > > > > Fester > > Close enough. It is called Rockingham, it's mailing address is Sophia and

it > is located near Hamlet (hence the back stretch 'Hamlet Tower'grandstands). > Lovingly called 'The Rock', North Carolina Speedway (an ISC track) isreally > old, has an abrasive surface and is actually pretty fun to run. The track, > though cited as being in Rockingham, is nearly halfway between Southern > Pines and Rockingham NC off US HWY 1, both very small towns. Locatedacross > the street (literally) is a nice drag strip, also referred to as 'TheRock' > by straight-liner fans. Home of the Winston Invitational until BrutonSmith > bought Bristol and moved (wooed) the event there and it is now a regular > event instead of the All Star race it was started as...The Rockingham > Dragway is now host to 2 IHRA national events per year. > > NC is bad for calling tracks by wrong monikors, the Lowe's Motor Speedway > used to be called the Charlotte Motor Speedway and is located neardowntown > Concord (about 20 minutes North of Charlotte off Hwy 85). I guess Concord > Speedway was already taken by the small track the DEJ used to runmodifieds > at and Humpy/Bruton couldn't wrangle the naming rights away from the tiny > track. > > About the only one they named properly was North Wilksboro. It is right > outside of the town off Hwy 421 and sits eeriely quiet nowadays though I > hear TRAC has it on their possible venue list. Had NW stayed 'inbusiness', > my guess is Lowe's would have bought the naming rights to that track asthe

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> Lowe's stores chain was founded in North Wilksboro, which is also home to > Junior Jonhson's sausage company and was his home base during his years in > the racing game. Makes since since it is in the foothills of the mountains > here in NC and Junior was indeed a moon shiner before getting into NASCAR. > NW is a sorely missed short track on the circuit today, I guess they favor > the cooky cutter 1.5 mile tracks now...I still have it in NASCAR Legends > though, hehe. Trivia tidbit: Who won the last NASCAR Winston Cup race at > North Wilksboro? Was it A) Darryl Waltrip B) Dale Earnhardt (Sr) C) Terry > Labonte or D) Jeff Gordon? Keep in mind the track closed in the early > 90's... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am pretty sure the answer is D) Jeff Gordon. Was there last fall and the > walls in the local Applebees are a shrine to the track and the people > involved with it. I think JG was the winner in the last event there before > NASCAR took it off the schedule. > >

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> NW's a great track; what stock car racing is, or at least, was all about > until Nascar became cool. > > Re the trivia, 1996 was it's last year on the WC circuit........think it > was Jeffy? I tend to block his victories out, on purpose :) > > -John > >

'96 huh? I was thinking more like '94 but couldn't remember and spewed all that useless trivia out from memory waiting on a business call this morning....I do think Jeffy was the last winner, though I am no huge fan of his either...1996, Sounds ok to me, and that does play into about when NASCAR started to become 'cool', good way of putting that. I saw N.W. again when Darryl W and Junior J were getting ready to take his old Monte Carlo to the Goodwood Speed thing over in England this past year, they shook it down at the track (and was covered by Totally NASCAR). The track looked very neglected indeed, I think they had to pull some weeds out of the asphalt before he could run...what a shame. The Mrs and I have a cabin in (somewhat) nearby Boone, NC and used to go to the races there until 1994. We then started hopping over to (somewhat) nearby Bristol and going to the August night race there. It would be nice to go to N.W. again, maybe TRAC will run there if they ever actually become a racing body instead of a PR body. I hear us North Carolinians are going to share a team with the South Carolinians thy way we share the NFL Carolina Panthers. Hopefully the TRAC 'team' will fare better. *(somewhat): relative term in rural NC, means more than � hour and less than 2 hours away.

Yep, I'm sure '96 was it. Bob Bahre(Loudon track owner) owns it now, and last year, he literally said, "It can rot as fas I'm concerned" regarding NW. Yet, he won't sell it either. Really to bad; ring the top with suites for the smoozers like Bristol, build up the other stands, and it'd be rolling in the big time. But Nascar already thinks the SE is an over-saturated market, so it's a "when hell freezes over" type of affair. Heck, not even Busch or trucks are running there........nothing at all. Some of the best races I remember were at that track. -John "CarGuy" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:zHwh8.28119$[email hidden]... > > John Pancoast <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > NW's a great track; what stock car racing is, or at least, was allabout > > until Nascar became cool. > > > > Re the trivia, 1996 was it's last year on the WC circuit........thinkit

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> > was Jeffy? I tend to block his victories out, on purpose :) > > > > -John > > > > > > '96 huh? I was thinking more like '94 but couldn't remember and spewed all > that useless trivia out from memory waiting on a business call this > morning....I do think Jeffy was the last winner, though I am no huge fan

of > his either...1996, Sounds ok to me, and that does play into about when > NASCAR started to become 'cool', good way of putting that. > > I saw N.W. again when Darryl W and Junior J were getting ready to take his > old Monte Carlo to the Goodwood Speed thing over in England this pastyear, > they shook it down at the track (and was covered by Totally NASCAR). The > track looked very neglected indeed, I think they had to pull some weedsout > of the asphalt before he could run...what a shame. The Mrs and I have a > cabin in (somewhat) nearby Boone, NC and used to go to the races thereuntil > 1994. We then started hopping over to (somewhat) nearby Bristol and goingto > the August night race there. It would be nice to go to N.W. again, maybe > TRAC will run there if they ever actually become a racing body instead ofa > PR body. I hear us North Carolinians are going to share a team with the > South Carolinians thy way we share the NFL Carolina Panthers. Hopefullythe > TRAC 'team' will fare better. > > *(somewhat): relative term in rural NC, means more than � hour and lessthan > 2 hours away. > >

http://www.jeffgordon.com/tracks/northwilkesboro/1996/1996_archive_northwilkesboro2.html "John Pancoast" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

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> NW's a great track; what stock car racing is, or at least, was all about > until Nascar became cool. > > Re the trivia, 1996 was it's last year on the WC circuit........think it > was Jeffy? I tend to block his victories out, on purpose :) > > -John > > > "CarGuy" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:1msh8.27947$[email hidden]... > > > > Uncle Fester <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:[email hidden]... > > > Andre Warringa wrote: > > > > > > > On Tue, 5 Mar 2002 07:42:18 -0700, "John Pancoast" > > > > <[email hidden]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > >> Yep, same thing was said about N4. You've never run the Alcatraz > circuit? > > > >>Pit road is a real pain<G> > > > >> > > > >>-John > > > >> > > > > > > > > Hehe, ok, which track is called the Rock? > > > > > > > > Andre > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > North Carolina. It's located in Rockingham. > > > > > > -- > > > > > > Fester > > > > Close enough. It is called Rockingham, it's mailing address is Sophia and > it > > is located near Hamlet (hence the back stretch 'Hamlet Tower' > grandstands). > > Lovingly called 'The Rock', North Carolina Speedway (an ISC track) is > really > > old, has an abrasive surface and is actually pretty fun to run. The track, > > though cited as being in Rockingham, is nearly halfway between Southern > > Pines and Rockingham NC off US HWY 1, both very small towns. Located > across > > the street (literally) is a nice drag strip, also referred to as 'The > Rock' > > by straight-liner fans. Home of the Winston Invitational until Bruton > Smith > > bought Bristol and moved (wooed) the event there and it is now a regular > > event instead of the All Star race it was started as...The Rockingham > > Dragway is now host to 2 IHRA national events per year. > > > > NC is bad for calling tracks by wrong monikors, the Lowe's Motor Speedway > > used to be called the Charlotte Motor Speedway and is located near > downtown > > Concord (about 20 minutes North of Charlotte off Hwy 85). I guess Concord > > Speedway was already taken by the small track the DEJ used to run > modifieds > > at and Humpy/Bruton couldn't wrangle the naming rights away from the tiny > > track. > > > > About the only one they named properly was North Wilksboro. It is right > > outside of the town off Hwy 421 and sits eeriely quiet nowadays though I > > hear TRAC has it on their possible venue list. Had NW stayed 'in > business', > > my guess is Lowe's would have bought the naming rights to that track as > the > > Lowe's stores chain was founded in North Wilksboro, which is also home to > > Junior Jonhson's sausage company and was his home base during his years in > > the racing game. Makes since since it is in the foothills of the mountains > > here in NC and Junior was indeed a moon shiner before getting into NASCAR. > > NW is a sorely missed short track on the circuit today, I guess they favor > > the cooky cutter 1.5 mile tracks now...I still have it in NASCAR Legends > > though, hehe. Trivia tidbit: Who won the last NASCAR Winston Cup race at > > North Wilksboro? Was it A) Darryl Waltrip B) Dale Earnhardt (Sr) C) Terry > > Labonte or D) Jeff Gordon? Keep in mind the track closed in the early > > 90's... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am pretty sure the answer is D) Jeff Gordon. Was there last fall and the > > walls in the local Applebees are a shrine to the track and the people > > involved with it. I think JG was the winner in the last event there before > > NASCAR took it off the schedule. > > > >