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Screen Stutter, Screen Freeze, Lockups - General Discussion (long post)

5 posts by 3 people · 08 Mar 2002 16:49 UTC - 09 Mar 2002 20:28 UTC

Tom Pabst 08 Mar 2002 16:49 UTC#131349
Hey guys..... Here's some general issues and things to check if you experience any or all of the above.....particularly on a new system you've not had long term success running racing sims on. I'm pulling this off my pure memory....hope a few others can add to the list to make it complete? *************************************************** Screen Stutter, Screen Freeze, Lockups, Crashes - Possible Causes *************************************************** 1. Power Supply: If your power supply is weak...by design or by flaw....your system will display all types of anomalies...random....and that will include all of the above. I have for some time now used only Antec PP403X units in all gaming rigs we've built.....and have never had a power supply issue since. This is a 400w power supply......but the real issue is what the watt power is over the +5V and 3.3V combined output (that's the core of what runs your key components)...its 245W in this excellent power supply. I've seen 350 and 400 watt ps units out there that were only 50W in this combined output.....so be careful what you buy! If you have a proprietary computer system (Dell, Gateway, Compaq...etc.)....who knows what junk has been installed in your system to save a few dollars....x.....millions of units? If you build your own systems....consider spending "top dollar" on your case and on your power supply......then you are free to swap out, upgrade and trade out motherboards, video cards, sound cards, central processors as your budget and "time" allow....always keeping the case and ps the same. Its a good "rule" to follow and I recommend this to anyone who builds their own computers. 2. AGP and Video Card Overclocking: When ever I have screen freeze issues or any system lockup issues.....the first thing I do is reset the AGP aperture to 64 megs, 2X....and return the video card to default clock settings. 50% of the time that solves the problem (some Nv drivers just don't like those settings being max'd......I guess?). 3. Windows Swap File: This is a primary culprit of this issue. Reset the min/max to the same value....you must follow the guidelines established for your system memory size and so forth.....there's many places for instructions to do this. Also, go to the racing sim's "replay memory allocation"....usually its in an "ini" file of some type.....and lower the number to half or so....from what the default setting is. You should regularly check your Windows Swap File settings.....especially with Win98SE....which has a nasty little habit of taking back control of it automatically. I have never found out a definitive situation "why" it does it....I just know it does. So, I tend to check this regularly (weekly). 4. Video Card Drivers: I have found this to be a cause only in a few instances.....very rare...in my opinion. However, if you have narrowed down the cause (done all of the above)....then try installing older/newer versions. Sometimes just uninstalling and reinstalling the same video card driver version will solve the problem (in about 10% of the cases). 5. Motherboard Chipset Drivers: This was a huge issue about a year ago....with the VIA northbridge chipset drivers having lots of problems with Nvidia video cards.....especially on AMD platforms. Its not so much of an issue with newer mobo's....IMHO. But, it never hurts to obtain the latest version for your mobo (usually available at the manufacturer's website) and install them. Often, just reinstalling the current version you are running will solve these problems. ***Background Information: Understanding what the "chipset" drivers are/do..... may help you with understanding/solving video card issues in general.....this is a simplified explanation: Motherboards have two general sets of circuitry......the video and the data storage drives (hard drive, floppy, CD, etc.) circuits. These two "circuits" are controlled by drivers/chipsets, which are small memory modules located on your mobo. These "modules" are also known as "bridges"....and the one located near the processor is often referred to as the "northbridge" chipset.....the one located down near the PCI slots is called the "southbridge" chipset. The "northbridge" runs all the video and AGP circuitry.....the "southbridge" runs all the IDE drive circuitry. Several different manufacturer's make these "chipset" circuitry memory modules...and provide the "drivers" for them as well, which ship with the mobo but are not always "installed" on the mobo from the factory. A motherboard manufacturer can actually use several different "chipsets" depending on their mobo design. A company called "VIA" is very popular among the AMD platform manufacturers......but there are other companies who make chipsets as well (including AMD and Intel). The VIA chipset drivers are popularly referred to as: "VIA 4in1" chipset drivers. At one time....there were new versions of these drivers being released by VIA almost every week! They are...can be....as prolific with these chipset drivers release.....as the Nvidia reference drivers themselves. 6. Video Card Settings: This is a big area of causing problems with all of the issues of freezing and screen stutter (or poor FPS). It has gotten worse with the relatively recent phenomenon of racing sims actually controlling/setting many aspects of the video card's "features" via program "ini" files....that are unique to the particular racing sim. Here's some general things to consider: a. Video card settings can be reset without your knowledge. When you find a "set" that works well....write it down and then periodically check that nothing has been changed (a "box" hasn't been unchecked...or checked....without your knowledge). b. I have often found some weird setting in Riva Tuner.....then remembered I did it and forgot to change it back (usually because it didn't do something I thought it would). Then....I find that in racing sim "A".....it didn't cause a problem....but in racing sim "B" it caused screen freezes...or lower FPS...or something I didn't like/want. You should always check your video card settings against a written "base" that you have some history with and you know works well in most of your sims. I have kicked myself in the butt many times...as being the cause of my own problems! ....lol..... c. The newer racing sims can have "ini" file settings that override your video card settings. You may have it set one way in Riva Tuner....but the "sim" changes it when you run that sim....but not others. I haven't found any pattern to this among the sim developers.....so I always look for "ini" file settings that might be culprits of screen freezes, stutter and lower FPS. d. If you have an Nv video card....use a tweak utility like "Riva Tuner" to make all your settings.....and look for newer features every time you install a new driver. Example: The "LOD Slider" for OpenGL didn't show up in the Nv ref drivers until version 27.50 (I think)....and that's a hugely important feature if you run OpenGL sims. As far as I know, only "Riva Tuner" unlocks this feature for Nv video cards (but I could be wrong about that.....its just the only one I know that does). 7. Benchmark Your Computer: If you are running a high-end, AMD and Nvidia system.....run 3DMark2001 and establish a benchmark score for your system. When ever you change ANYTHING.....on your computer...(even one stupid little setting in a sim ini file...or on RT).....I always re-run 3DMark2001 and make sure that change didn't screw something up. Its a good rule to follow and will save you countless hours of troubleshooting headaches....if you can take the extra 15 minutes it takes to regularly run and benchmark your system. If you start getting screen freezes and stuttering (or system crashes)....run your benchmark and find out if its score has deteriorated, by how much....or does the benchmark freeze/stutter too? This is an incredibly valuable racing system troubleshooting tool! In the real-world of racing....high-tech racing cars require constant maintenance and vigilance...to perform at peak levels. Our "race boxes" today......the ones needed to run all the "cutting edge" racing sims....with the tweaks and patches and on and on.....are no different. Your "race box" is no different than a high-tech F1 car....and if you neglect it and don't stay on top of all of the detail.....it will deteriorate over time.....in performance. That's just the facts....of sim racing today. I hope this is helpful to some of you? Regards, Tom
Two contributions - - it's a good idea to have a smaller C-drive, and to have an image of that C-drive containing an OS installation level that is a fairly base installation with all the important apps and tools, drivers etc. installed that works well. Because, any mod, a new driver, applications that fiddle around on system level etc. always bring about a certain risk that afterwards, the system is a little less stable and cannot be brought back to the previous glory by disinstalling them either. A restorable image is an elegant solution - for a VIA southbridge, for me the IDE drivers of WinME have always been faster and more stable than VIA's IDE drivers Achim
Achim Trensz wrote... > > - it's a good idea to have a smaller C-drive, and to have an image of that > C-drive containing an OS installation level that is a fairly base > installation with all the important apps and tools, drivers etc. installed > that works well. Ok...good time to ask a question about this. I just bought a WDC 20 Gig HD to replace my two older, smaller ones. (7 gig and 3 gig) My plans were to just have the one 20 gig on my system after I partitioned, formatted, installed Win98SE, and copied all the necessary files over to it. Would I be better off keeping one of the smaller drives on the system to use as my main C: drive? Or should I partition the new drive with a smaller partition for the system stuff? And if so...what size partition should it be? My current Windows directory is just shy of 1 gig (913 mb), and it has a bunch of stuff on it that has accumulated in the last two years I've used it. So I'm quite sure it doesn't need to be THAT big. But I don't know what is a 'normal' size for the Windows directory. Thanks in advance... Jim Tester
Not an easy question to answer, Jim. All options have pros and cons to them. The Windows partition in general should be small, as that'll make the OS faster, and image backups easier and faster. 1GB seems very small, I'd go for 2 with that new HD. That'll give you room for the OS, and some spare for applications or tools you'll perhaps want to install in the Windows partition for practical purposes (like being able to include them in the image-backup you take of the system partition. You can still change the size of that partition later using a partitioning tool, but personally, I'd say 2GB is a good compromise. Using one of the older HD's as C: drive is a good idea, but only if they're fast. If they're much slower than the new HD, the system will start slower, and you'll have slower application loads etc. than as if you'd have the OS on the faster disk. The same applies to the swapfile. It's a good idea to have it on a separate disk from the OS, as that'll speed the system up, but if that older HD is really slow, you'll relinquish overall system operation speed. The prob with large partitions is btw that in Win98SE under FAT32, they'll be wasting some diskspace due to the way Win98's filing system works. The larger a partition gets, the more space gets wasted, generally speaking. OTOH, by creating several smaller partitions, you'll get to the point where an application simply doesn't fit into that partition anymore and you cannot use the remaining space, which also means that space is wasted. You might also consider using one of the old HD's as a backup medium for image files - that'll allow you to return quickly to various system installation states - which is a very nice thing to be able to do. IMO, there is no such thing as one optimal solution. They all have pros and cons. Achim "Jim Tester" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:a6d9o3$oj7$[email hidden]... > Achim Trensz wrote... > > > > > - it's a good idea to have a smaller C-drive, and to have an image ofthat > > C-drive containing an OS installation level that is a fairly base > > installation with all the important apps and tools, drivers etc.installed > > that works well. > > Ok...good time to ask a question about this. I just bought a WDC 20 GigHD > to replace my two older, smaller ones. (7 gig and 3 gig) > > My plans were to just have the one 20 gig on my system after Ipartitioned, > formatted, installed Win98SE, and copied all the necessary files over toit. > > Would I be better off keeping one of the smaller drives on the system touse > as my main C: drive? Or should I partition the new drive with a smaller > partition for the system stuff? And if so...what size partition should it > be? My current Windows directory is just shy of 1 gig (913 mb), and ithas > a bunch of stuff on it that has accumulated in the last two years I'veused
Quoted text (8 lines)> it. So I'm quite sure it doesn't need to be THAT big. But I don't know > what is a 'normal' size for the Windows directory. > > Thanks in advance... > > Jim Tester > >
Thanks Achim! I really appreciate the information. My new drive spins at 7200 RPM and both the older ones are only 5400 RPM drives. I'll probably go with a 2GB partition on the new drive for the OS, and just use the bigger of the other two as a backup medium. Your information has been very helpful. Jim "Joachim Trensz" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:a6df0k$dgkdt$[email hidden]... > Not an easy question to answer, Jim. All options have pros and cons tothem. > > The Windows partition in general should be small, as that'll make the OS > faster, and image backups easier and faster. 1GB seems very small, I'd go > for 2 with that new HD. That'll give you room for the OS, and some sparefor
Quoted text (7 lines)> applications or tools you'll perhaps want to install in the Windows > partition for practical purposes (like being able to include them in the > image-backup you take of the system partition. > > You can still change the size of that partition later using a partitioning > tool, but personally, I'd say 2GB is a good compromise. Using one of the > older HD's as C: drive is a good idea, but only if they're fast. If
they're > much slower than the new HD, the system will start slower, and you'll have > slower application loads etc. than as if you'd have the OS on the faster > disk. > > The same applies to the swapfile. It's a good idea to have it on aseparate
Quoted text (7 lines)> disk from the OS, as that'll speed the system up, but if that older HD is > really slow, you'll relinquish overall system operation speed. > > The prob with large partitions is btw that in Win98SE under FAT32, they'll > be wasting some diskspace due to the way Win98's filing system works. The > larger a partition gets, the more space gets wasted, generally speaking. > OTOH, by creating several smaller partitions, you'll get to the point
where > an application simply doesn't fit into that partition anymore and youcannot
Quoted text (7 lines)> use the remaining space, which also means that space is wasted. > > You might also consider using one of the old HD's as a backup medium for > image files - that'll allow you to return quickly to various system > installation states - which is a very nice thing to be able to do. > > IMO, there is no such thing as one optimal solution. They all have pros
and > cons. > > Achim >

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