GF3Ti2 & GPL, doesn't seem faster, actually slower than Voodoo3???

Is this normal? I had a Voodoo3 3000 and GPL was great, no probs, maybe slightly slower FPS with 19ai at the start. Upgraded to the GF3 so I could play F12001, and GPL actually seems slower, I get about 12fps at the start of a race (1024x768). Shouldn't it be lightyears faster? Should I be running the OpenGL patch instead of D3D? I'm using Athalon800 w/ AsusA7V m/board, PNY GF3Ti200 (I don't know which driver, it's whichever one was on the Nvidia site yesterday), win98se. Maybe this is normal, but I wouldn't think it should be??? Any ideas? Thanks, Brook

"Brook Halvorson" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:o2Di8.6179$[email hidden]... > Is this normal? I had a Voodoo3 3000 and GPL was great, no probs, maybe > slightly slower FPS with 19ai at the start. Upgraded to the GF3 so Icould

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> play F12001, and GPL actually seems slower, I get about 12fps at the start > of a race (1024x768). Shouldn't it be lightyears faster? Should I be > running the OpenGL patch instead of D3D? > > I'm using Athalon800 w/ AsusA7V m/board, PNY GF3Ti200 (I don't know which > driver, it's whichever one was on the Nvidia site yesterday), win98se. > Maybe this is normal, but I wouldn't think it should be??? Any ideas? > > Thanks, > > Brook

To find out the driver version # there are a couple of ways. clik on start\settings\control panel. THen choose system and clik on the Device Manager tab. Find the display adapter item and clik on that, then choose properties and drivers and finally driver details. The last 4 digits of the number will be your driver version, i.e 2311 = 23.11 or 27.42 or 8.13. dave henrie

Your processor is simply too slow to use all of the features of the new card. Also, you probably have v sync enabled, which would destroy the speed of the card. -Stuart Becktell "Brook Halvorson" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:o2Di8.6179$[email hidden]... > Is this normal? I had a Voodoo3 3000 and GPL was great, no probs, maybe > slightly slower FPS with 19ai at the start. Upgraded to the GF3 so Icould

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> play F12001, and GPL actually seems slower, I get about 12fps at the start > of a race (1024x768). Shouldn't it be lightyears faster? Should I be > running the OpenGL patch instead of D3D? > > I'm using Athalon800 w/ AsusA7V m/board, PNY GF3Ti200 (I don't know which > driver, it's whichever one was on the Nvidia site yesterday), win98se. > Maybe this is normal, but I wouldn't think it should be??? Any ideas? > > Thanks, > > Brook > > > >

GPL is very CPU intensive and you have a slow one by todays standards. I assume you now run d3d whereas b4 with your voodoo card you probably ran 3dfx. d3d is also much more processor intensive. The OpenGL patch is good, but at higher resolutions is screws up the menus so its almost unusable. Your system is severely processor bound for playing GPL. -- Biz "Don't touch that please, your primitive intellect wouldn't understand alloys and compositions and,......things with molecular structures,....and the....." - Ash Brook Halvorson <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:o2Di8.6179$[email hidden]... > Is this normal? I had a Voodoo3 3000 and GPL was great, no probs, maybe > slightly slower FPS with 19ai at the start. Upgraded to the GF3 so I could > play F12001, and GPL actually seems slower, I get about 12fps at the start > of a race (1024x768). Shouldn't it be lightyears faster? Should I be > running the OpenGL patch instead of D3D? > > I'm using Athalon800 w/ AsusA7V m/board, PNY GF3Ti200 (I don't know which > driver, it's whichever one was on the Nvidia site yesterday), win98se. > Maybe this is normal, but I wouldn't think it should be??? Any ideas? > > Thanks, > > Brook > > > >

version 23.11 Vsync? How do I adjust that? Display properties? Core.ini? thanks "Stuart Becktell" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:3uKi8.54809$[email hidden]... > Your processor is simply too slow to use all of the features of the new > card. Also, you probably have v sync enabled, which would destroy thespeed

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> of the card. > -Stuart Becktell > "Brook Halvorson" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:o2Di8.6179$[email hidden]... > > Is this normal? I had a Voodoo3 3000 and GPL was great, no probs, maybe > > slightly slower FPS with 19ai at the start. Upgraded to the GF3 so I > could > > play F12001, and GPL actually seems slower, I get about 12fps at the

start > > of a race (1024x768). Shouldn't it be lightyears faster? Should I be > > running the OpenGL patch instead of D3D? > > > > I'm using Athalon800 w/ AsusA7V m/board, PNY GF3Ti200 (I don't knowwhich

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> > driver, it's whichever one was on the Nvidia site yesterday), win98se. > > Maybe this is normal, but I wouldn't think it should be??? Any ideas? > > > > Thanks, > > > > Brook > > > > > > > > > >

Wow, I can't believe I used to play on a pII266 with a herc thriller, and I got better fps than I do now! Says a lot for the rendition cards. Too bad they don't still make 'em. Then again, I didn't have gigabytes of graphics add-ons for GPL back then, and I was running 800x600. So is a 3dfx card really less CPU intensive than a GF3? Seems like as all the hardware gets faster, it becomes less efficient, throwing more work to other hardware. I remeber reading in "four-wheel drift" that for most systems, the Rendition-based boards were better than the 3dfx's because they took on a whole lot more of the workload, freeing up the CPU. And now Nvidias are even more CPU intensive than the 3dfx's. This puts me in an awful spot, having to buy another processor and motherboard (and memory) for my 16-month old system just so I can take advantage of my new video card. Doesn't that seem a bit absurd? I don't think it's worth it right now, I keep on upgrading everything to make the game look better and better, but I still SUCK! I should stop finding ways to spend money on this sim, a "potentially" low cost way to experience race driving, and start worrying about finishing a race at Monza without crashing out. thanks for the help :-) Brook "Biz" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:EXMi8.1200$[email hidden]... > GPL is very CPU intensive and you have a slow one by todays standards. Iassume you now run d3d > whereas b4 with your voodoo card you probably ran 3dfx. d3d is also muchmore processor intensive. > The OpenGL patch is good, but at higher resolutions is screws up the menusso its almost unusable.

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> Your system is severely processor bound for playing GPL. > -- > Biz > > "Don't touch that please, your primitive intellect wouldn't understand > alloys and compositions and,......things with molecular structures,....and > the....." - Ash > > > Brook Halvorson <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:o2Di8.6179$[email hidden]... > > Is this normal? I had a Voodoo3 3000 and GPL was great, no probs, maybe > > slightly slower FPS with 19ai at the start. Upgraded to the GF3 so I

could > > play F12001, and GPL actually seems slower, I get about 12fps at thestart > > of a race (1024x768). Shouldn't it be lightyears faster? Should I be > > running the OpenGL patch instead of D3D? > > > > I'm using Athalon800 w/ AsusA7V m/board, PNY GF3Ti200 (I don't knowwhich

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> > driver, it's whichever one was on the Nvidia site yesterday), win98se. > > Maybe this is normal, but I wouldn't think it should be??? Any ideas? > > > > Thanks, > > > > Brook > > > > > > > > > >

Go to display properties. settings, advanced. One of the tabs will say GeForce 3 ti200 (or something like that. Addition properties, Open GL, and set vertical sync to off. -Stuart Becktell "Brook Halvorson" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:T8Ni8.6908$[email hidden]...

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> version 23.11 > > Vsync? How do I adjust that? Display properties? Core.ini? > > thanks > > > "Stuart Becktell" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:3uKi8.54809$[email hidden]... > > Your processor is simply too slow to use all of the features of the new > > card. Also, you probably have v sync enabled, which would destroy the > speed > > of the card. > > -Stuart Becktell > > "Brook Halvorson" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:o2Di8.6179$[email hidden]... > > > Is this normal? I had a Voodoo3 3000 and GPL was great, no probs,

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> > > slightly slower FPS with 19ai at the start. Upgraded to the GF3 so I > > could > > > play F12001, and GPL actually seems slower, I get about 12fps at the > start > > > of a race (1024x768). Shouldn't it be lightyears faster? Should I be > > > running the OpenGL patch instead of D3D? > > > > > > I'm using Athalon800 w/ AsusA7V m/board, PNY GF3Ti200 (I don't know > which > > > driver, it's whichever one was on the Nvidia site yesterday), win98se. > > > Maybe this is normal, but I wouldn't think it should be??? Any ideas? > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > Brook > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

The point your missing here is that d3d is much more cpu intensive, rendition cards and later 3dfx cards were less cpu intensive because of the way rendition and 3dfx(glide) work. GF cards are great for OpenGL, you would get higher fps in most all games with OpenGL than d3d with a GF card. Unfortunately, the OPenGL patch for GPL, whiles its good its not up to modern standards like the OpenGL stuff for N4/N2002. -- Biz "Don't touch that please, your primitive intellect wouldn't understand alloys and compositions and,......things with molecular structures,....and the....." - Ash Brook Halvorson <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:vpNi8.6971$[email hidden]... > Wow, I can't believe I used to play on a pII266 with a herc thriller, and I > got better fps than I do now! Says a lot for the rendition cards. Too bad > they don't still make 'em. Then again, I didn't have gigabytes of graphics > add-ons for GPL back then, and I was running 800x600. > > So is a 3dfx card really less CPU intensive than a GF3? Seems like as all > the hardware gets faster, it becomes less efficient, throwing more work to > other hardware. I remeber reading in "four-wheel drift" that for most > systems, the Rendition-based boards were better than the 3dfx's because they > took on a whole lot more of the workload, freeing up the CPU. And now > Nvidias are even more CPU intensive than the 3dfx's. This puts me in an > awful spot, having to buy another processor and motherboard (and memory) for > my 16-month old system just so I can take advantage of my new video card. > Doesn't that seem a bit absurd? I don't think it's worth it right now, I > keep on upgrading everything to make the game look better and better, but I > still SUCK! I should stop finding ways to spend money on this sim, a > "potentially" low cost way to experience race driving, and start worrying > about finishing a race at Monza without crashing out. > > thanks for the help :-) > > Brook > > "Biz" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:EXMi8.1200$[email hidden]... > > GPL is very CPU intensive and you have a slow one by todays standards. I > assume you now run d3d > > whereas b4 with your voodoo card you probably ran 3dfx. d3d is also much > more processor intensive. > > The OpenGL patch is good, but at higher resolutions is screws up the menus > so its almost unusable. > > Your system is severely processor bound for playing GPL. > > -- > > Biz > > > > "Don't touch that please, your primitive intellect wouldn't understand > > alloys and compositions and,......things with molecular structures,....and > > the....." - Ash > > > > > > Brook Halvorson <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:o2Di8.6179$[email hidden]... > > > Is this normal? I had a Voodoo3 3000 and GPL was great, no probs, maybe > > > slightly slower FPS with 19ai at the start. Upgraded to the GF3 so I > could > > > play F12001, and GPL actually seems slower, I get about 12fps at the > start > > > of a race (1024x768). Shouldn't it be lightyears faster? Should I be > > > running the OpenGL patch instead of D3D? > > > > > > I'm using Athalon800 w/ AsusA7V m/board, PNY GF3Ti200 (I don't know > which > > > driver, it's whichever one was on the Nvidia site yesterday), win98se. > > > Maybe this is normal, but I wouldn't think it should be??? Any ideas? > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > Brook > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

"Brook Halvorson" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:o2Di8.6179$[email hidden]... > Is this normal? I had a Voodoo3 3000 and GPL was great, no probs, maybe > slightly slower FPS with 19ai at the start. Upgraded to the GF3 so Icould

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> play F12001, and GPL actually seems slower, I get about 12fps at the start > of a race (1024x768). Shouldn't it be lightyears faster? Should I be > running the OpenGL patch instead of D3D? > > I'm using Athalon800 w/ AsusA7V m/board, PNY GF3Ti200 (I don't know which > driver, it's whichever one was on the Nvidia site yesterday), win98se. > Maybe this is normal, but I wouldn't think it should be??? Any ideas?

I don't have GPL anymore, sold it on a few years ago, but I seem to recall that GPL was a glide game... so you'll be running it in D3D or OpenGL. Unless you have a super fast CPU and the latest whiz bang graphics card... it is never going to un as smooth as it would on a 3DFX card..... I'd like to see how it runs on my Voodoo5 and 1.4ghz Athlon. Heckler

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> > "Brook Halvorson" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:o2Di8.6179$[email hidden]... > > Is this normal? I had a Voodoo3 3000 and GPL was great, no probs, maybe > > slightly slower FPS with 19ai at the start. Upgraded to the GF3 so I > could > > play F12001, and GPL actually seems slower, I get about 12fps at the start > > of a race (1024x768). Shouldn't it be lightyears faster? Should I be > > running the OpenGL patch instead of D3D? > > > > I'm using Athalon800 w/ AsusA7V m/board, PNY GF3Ti200 (I don't know which > > driver, it's whichever one was on the Nvidia site yesterday), win98se. > > Maybe this is normal, but I wouldn't think it should be??? Any ideas? > > I don't have GPL anymore, sold it on a few years ago, but I seem to recall > that GPL was a glide game... so you'll be running it in D3D or OpenGL. > Unless you have a super fast CPU and the latest whiz bang graphics card... > it is never going to un as smooth as it would on a 3DFX card..... I'd like > to see how it runs on my Voodoo5 and 1.4ghz Athlon. > > Heckler

GPL would run flawless on your computer. I have a 1.3ghz T-Bird and USED to have a Voodoo5 in it. Never a drop below 36fps anywhere, with everything maxed and a few add-ons. With the nVidia, I still get 36fps all over, but things don't run as smoothly. Lots of goofy things happen at strange times. I'm thinking I need two computers, one for GPL and one for redneck racin'. Gary