MOMO vs. Original LWFF

I'm in search of a new wheel setup once again. I have the original Logitech Wingman Formula Force and was wondering how it compares to the MOMO. The problem I always have with wheels is that the steering shaft bushings wear out and end up with a ton of slop. I read on the Logitech website it says that the MOMO has bearings, but it doesn't say where. If its the steering shaft I'll give the MOMO a try. How does the rest of the MOMO compare to the original? The pedals look the same other than the actual pedal. Have they increased the pedal travel since the original? I like the angle of the pedals because I sit in a desk chair to race and the down ward movement works better than the pivot of must other styles. MadDAWG

"MadDAWG" <[email hidden]> wrote...

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> I'm in search of a new wheel setup once again. I have the original Logitech > Wingman Formula Force and was wondering how it compares to the MOMO. The > problem I always have with wheels is that the steering shaft bushings wear > out and end up with a ton of slop. I read on the Logitech website it says > that the MOMO has bearings, but it doesn't say where. If its the steering > shaft I'll give the MOMO a try. How does the rest of the MOMO compare to the > original? The pedals look the same other than the actual pedal. Have they > increased the pedal travel since the original? I like the angle of the > pedals because I sit in a desk chair to race and the down ward movement > works better than the pivot of must other styles.

I had the same problems with my LWFF (old all-red ones) and switched to the MOMO. I didn't think I'd be able to install one of those ball-bearing kits on the LWFF - - I pictured myself becoming permanently entangled with the steel cable inside. Anyway, yes the MOMO's bearings support the steering shaft. Very nice, no slop. The gear drive inside may be slightly less smooth than the cable in the old one, but I've only noticed it during large steering corrections. (e.g. while catching a big slide in Rally Trophy) The pedals don't seem to have any more travel, but higher resistance. I definitely felt I could control threshold braking better, although no doubt CH or the new ACT Lab pedals are even better. The big change is that the face of the pedal is hinged to the 'plunger' arm. If you have the ball of your foot on the pedal, you probably won't notice the difference except that they will adjust to the angle of your foot. In my case, I have a tendency to brake with my toes on the front edge of the pedal. Yeah, it sounds weird, but I think I started doing that to compensate for the short pedal travel. So the hinged pedals gave me fits for a while. ...Klinn

MadDAWG wrote... > I'm in search of a new wheel setup once again. > <snip> I also upgraded from original LWFF to MOMO after the former got a bit long in the tooth (and on recommendation from fellow simmers). I've basically not looked back. Whereas I'd wired my TM/NasPro pedals to the LWFF, I still use the standard set which came with the MOMO. Compared to the LWFF, the MOMO is more precise, more crisp but, indeed, the gear mechanism can be heard and felt on big corrections. Overall well worth upgrading, IMO. Jan. =---

Hey Jan, how you doing? I too upgraded to the Momo. My LWFF couldn't handle the gear changes anymore. I thought the LWFF was good, but I like the Momo a bit better, especially the pedals because they seem to feel better, however I still use foam under the brake pedal for a little bit of extra force Tore "Jan Verschueren" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:nq6j8.249446$[email hidden]... > MadDAWG wrote... > > I'm in search of a new wheel setup once again. > > <snip> > > I also upgraded from original LWFF to MOMO after the former got a bit long > in the tooth (and on recommendation from fellow simmers). I've basicallynot > looked back. Whereas I'd wired my TM/NasPro pedals to the LWFF, I stilluse > the standard set which came with the MOMO. Compared to the LWFF, the MOMOis

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> more precise, more crisp but, indeed, the gear mechanism can be heard and > felt on big corrections. > > Overall well worth upgrading, IMO. > > Jan. > =--- > > > >

Well I went ahead and ordered a MOMO so from Newegg for $150 plus 15 for shipping. Still $35 cheaper than Best Buy. Now I just have to wait for it to get here. MadDAWG

That's a good deal, you won't be sorry, it's a great wheel. Don Burnette "MadDAWG" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Well I went ahead and ordered a MOMO so from Newegg for $150 plus 15 for > shipping. Still $35 cheaper than Best Buy. Now I just have to wait for itto > get here. > > MadDAWG > > >

Tore Hanson wrote... > Hey Jan, how you doing? Not good mate... motherboard in my main PC has died. Typing this on a P90 notebook and I'm just about ready to start climbing the walls. ;-) On the other hand, the FV league is doing well and I'm very keen to get back to driving once the new 'puter arrives. Jan. =---

I will be awaiting your report..... my LWFF is almost ready for the pile. "MadDAWG" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Well I went ahead and ordered a MOMO so from Newegg for $150 plus 15 for > shipping. Still $35 cheaper than Best Buy. Now I just have to wait for itto > get here. > > MadDAWG > >

> I too upgraded to the Momo. My LWFF couldn't handle the gear changes > anymore. Oh boy, the gear changers in the LWFF are *very* easy to fix... I disagree about the wheel. Sure the pedals are a bit better, but I'll take a cable-driven, moulded, rubber wheel over a noisy, uncomfortable, hard-leather wheel any day. -- Damien Smith [email hidden] ICQ: 77028579 F12001 rank: +21.435

Even a wore out one with about 3/8 inch of slop in the steering shaft? :) I agree the gear driven FF was one of the cons in my wheel shopping, but the bearings on the steering shaft instead of bushings was a bigger plus. MadDAWG

"Damien Smith" <[email hidden]> wrote in > Oh boy, the gear changers in the LWFF are *very* easy to fix... >How to?

Please expand on "how easy" they are to fix. The mechanical part works fine. It's the electronic btton that doesn't function in my case. I'd be happy to fix it if you can give me some instructions. Tore "Damien Smith" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:a6n9hd$feofl$[email hidden]... > > I too upgraded to the Momo. My LWFF couldn't handle the gear changes > > anymore. > > Oh boy, the gear changers in the LWFF are *very* easy to fix... > > I disagree about the wheel. Sure the pedals are a bit better, but I'lltake

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> a cable-driven, moulded, rubber wheel over a noisy, uncomfortable, > hard-leather wheel any day. > > -- > Damien Smith > [email hidden] > ICQ: 77028579 > F12001 rank: +21.435 > > >

On Wed, 13 Mar 2002 20:26:48 +1000, "Damien Smith" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>, but I'll take >a cable-driven, moulded, rubber wheel over a noisy, uncomfortable, >hard-leather wheel any day. > >-- >Damien Smith >[email hidden] >ICQ: 77028579 >F12001 rank: +21.435

Lol.......stretching it to near childishness here arent you?? Its ok to like your wheel without downgrading other peoples equipment. Brad

On Wed, 13 Mar 2002 20:26:48 +1000, "Damien Smith"

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>, but I'll take >a cable-driven, moulded, *** wheel over a noisy, uncomfortable, >hard-leather wheel any day. >-- >Damien Smith >ICQ: 77028579 >F12001 rank: +21.435

Lol.......stretching it to near childishness here arent you?? Its ok to like your wheel without downgrading other peoples equipment. Brad

In <[email hidden]>, MadDAWG wrote: > Even a wore out one with about 3/8 inch of slop in the steering shaft? > :) I agree the gear driven FF was one of the cons in my wheel shopping, > but the bearings on the steering shaft instead of bushings was a bigger > plus. Yes I agree completely with this. I had my old logitech red wheel for years and there was far too much slop in it by the end. Also the original pedals were terrible. The MOMO feels VERY comfortable for me (YMMV) and I don't mind the minor notchiness of the wheel. I have tried friends wheels (the ferrari the horrible ACT ones and new cheapo logitech) and it is still smoother than any of those. Interestingly enough in patch one of F1=2001 when you task switched and the forcefeedback disappeared I found the wheel had ZERO notchiness (but of course no forcefeed back). Dunno why but in that particular mode the wheel was as smooth as silk. This is not reproducable with the patch 2 for f12k1 since this bug doesn't occur any more. (And I like others have been forced to use the no-cd patch for update 2 - the original update 2 patch CTD'ed even with my original CD in the drive). Also the new pedals are much much better for my needs - the pivoting makes a huge difference. I also think the momo does more effects too and more effectively (I presume it is because there is no cable flex which existed on my old trusty now retired logitech red FF wheel). > > MadDAWG

Mine should be here tooday. :) MadDAWG

Thanks for the input guys, made me go out and purchase a new MOMO wheel, and I still had my LWFF. No regrets at all, the MOMO is much better then the LWFF. Now I can race competitively in N2002 without worrying about drifting so much and taking others out because of the wheel. thanks again "Bill Ryder" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> In <[email hidden]>, MadDAWG wrote: > > > Even a wore out one with about 3/8 inch of slop in the steering shaft? > > :) I agree the gear driven FF was one of the cons in my wheel shopping, > > but the bearings on the steering shaft instead of bushings was a bigger > > plus. > > > Yes I agree completely with this. I had my old logitech red wheel for > years and there was far too much slop in it by the end. Also the original > pedals were terrible. > > The MOMO feels VERY comfortable for me (YMMV) and I don't mind the minor > notchiness of the wheel. I have tried friends wheels (the ferrari the > horrible ACT ones and new cheapo logitech) and it is still smoother than > any of those. > > Interestingly enough in patch one of F1=2001 when you task switched and > the forcefeedback disappeared I found the wheel had ZERO notchiness (but > of course no forcefeed back). Dunno why but in that particular mode the > wheel was as smooth as silk. This is not reproducable with the patch 2 > for f12k1 since this bug doesn't occur any more. > > (And I like others have been forced to use the no-cd patch for update 2 - > the original update 2 patch CTD'ed even with my original CD in the > drive). > > > Also the new pedals are much much better for my needs - the pivoting > makes a huge difference. > > I also think the momo does more effects too and more effectively (I > presume it is because there is no cable flex which existed on my old > trusty now retired logitech red FF wheel). > > > > > > MadDAWG >

Got mine on Friday. I can't belive the differance in the range of motion in the MOMO wheel. In NR2002 I'm able to save slides that would have went into the wall before. MadDAWG

OK OK OK I'm getting one ASAP!! I'm sold!! "MadDAWG" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Got mine on Friday. I can't belive the differance in the range of motionin > the MOMO wheel. In NR2002 I'm able to save slides that would have wentinto > the wall before. > > MadDAWG > >