ideas for Mods for F1 2001

I've had a few ideas for mods and was wondering if anyone was working on them or wanted to have a go... I'm useless at creating stuff like that. I'd like to see a Touring Car mod.. I know we have the GT2 mode, but I'd rather see something like the Toca cars (I know Codemasters are releasing a new TC game) as they are more likely to be cars I'd drive myself... I can't afford a Porsche or Ferrari, but I can afford a Ford (I already have 2 of them) or a Vauxhall/Opel/GM, or a Renault, Peugeot, Audi and so forth. What I'd really like to see is an Aussie TC mod... ya know the V8 ones. I've been watching highlights on Sky of them, and the races really remind me of how UK touring cars used to be (When it was actually good), gritty, close and lots of bumping and pushing and crashing. And of course I'd love to see all these cars racing around Laguna Seca... I've yet to play a decent version of this track... Gran Turismo 2 on the PSX did a pretty good version.... but most games totally ignore the fact that the chicane round the back drops down a hell of a lot and is not A FLAT SECTION OF TRACK.... I ask you.. some games have made this section flat... completely flat... it's not fucking flat you gimps. Sorry for the rant, but it get's my back up.. LS is one of my fave tracks... and I want to race F1 or Touring cars around it. :o) Heckler -- www.house-of-heckler.fsnet.co.uk Mr Flibble is Dead Long Live Heckler Replace COM with CO.UK to reply

> What I'd really like to see is an Aussie TC mod... ya know the V8 ones.I've > been watching highlights on Sky of them, and the races really remind me of > how UK touring cars used to be (When it was actually good), gritty, close > and lots of bumping and pushing and crashing. Well, there are 2 V8 touring car games coming soon from EA & Codemasters respectively. I think that they may only be available in Australia but you might be able to get them off the 'net. Us Aussies have known the joy of this racing series for many years - it's great to see it getting coverage on the overseas cable channels. I went and saw them live at the Gold Coast IndyCar race a couple of years ago. I was expecting them to seem a bit crap after watching the IndyCars but I walked away just as impressed as I was with the open-wheelers. When they had the support race at the Melbourne F1GP this year, apparently most of the F1 engineers came out of their pits to watch them - they really are that impressive. -- Damien Smith [email hidden] ICQ: 77028579 F12001 rank: +21.435

"Damien Smith" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:a6h6l9$dff29$[email hidden]... > > What I'd really like to see is an Aussie TC mod... ya know the V8 ones. > I've > > been watching highlights on Sky of them, and the races really remind meof > > how UK touring cars used to be (When it was actually good), gritty,close > > and lots of bumping and pushing and crashing. There are already several mods that might fit your bill for Nascar Heat. Heat has alterable physics as well so you won't be dragging 2.5 ton WC car around. They have just released a beta of the Aussie V8 cars, they already have a DTM mod,,,although it doesn't have a tidy installer yet, and there is a BTCC paint patch for DTM, we are hoping the BTCC guys will finish the mod with front wheel drive & 2.0 litre cars. Mods are allllll over these days. dave henrie

Check out the DTM 2001 project at......... http://all-4-racing.maxrevs.gamigo.de/www.dtm-project.com/index.php BD On Mon, 11 Mar 2002 01:36:31 -0000, "Heckler ����" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>I've had a few ideas for mods and was wondering if anyone was working on >them or wanted to have a go... I'm useless at creating stuff like that. > >I'd like to see a Touring Car mod.. I know we have the GT2 mode, but I'd >rather see something like the Toca cars (I know Codemasters are releasing a >new TC game) as they are more likely to be cars I'd drive myself... I can't >afford a Porsche or Ferrari, but I can afford a Ford (I already have 2 of >them) or a Vauxhall/Opel/GM, or a Renault, Peugeot, Audi and so forth. > >What I'd really like to see is an Aussie TC mod... ya know the V8 ones. I've >been watching highlights on Sky of them, and the races really remind me of >how UK touring cars used to be (When it was actually good), gritty, close >and lots of bumping and pushing and crashing. > >And of course I'd love to see all these cars racing around Laguna Seca... >I've yet to play a decent version of this track... Gran Turismo 2 on the PSX >did a pretty good version.... but most games totally ignore the fact that >the chicane round the back drops down a hell of a lot and is not A FLAT >SECTION OF TRACK.... I ask you.. some games have made this section flat... >completely flat... it's not fucking flat you gimps. Sorry for the rant, but >it get's my back up.. LS is one of my fave tracks... and I want to race F1 >or Touring cars around it. :o) > > > >Heckler

CART

There is a promising V8 mod here <http://australiansimracing.racesim.net/main.html> Not much action for a while though :-( Hey what about Laguna Seca in ICR2? How did that compare? > > >

"Chris Payne" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > > There is a promising V8 mod here > <http://australiansimracing.racesim.net/main.html> > Not much action for a while though :-( > > Hey what about Laguna Seca in ICR2? How did that compare? I'm not sure what ICR2 is. The Laguna Seca track in Newman Hauus Racing for the PSX wasn't so bad. Heckler

> > Hey what about Laguna Seca in ICR2? How did that compare? > > I'm not sure what ICR2 is. The Laguna Seca track in Newman Hauus Racingfor > the PSX wasn't so bad. > > Heckler What is ICR2??? ONly the GrandDaddy of all 3d racing sims, that's all. ICR2 stands for Indy Car Racing 2 and shortly after it's release it featured a 3d patch that enabled owners of Rendition Verite` 3d cards to run about half the tracks in 3d. Frame rate jumps were almost 100% faster, full screen edge anti Aliasing...Cleanest looking sim until the V5 showed up. Here endeth the lesson. dave henrie

"Damien Smith" <[email hidden]> wrote in message . When they had the support race at the Melbourne > F1GP this year, apparently most of the F1 engineers came out of their pits > to watch them - they really are that impressive. >Yeah, its been like that since the days of the Adelaide GP's. As soon as the Aussie V8's hit the track, it was down tools and hang off the fence. Must be something about the sound of a V8 at full noise!!! :o) Steve

Dave, You got to admit it sure is fun to read posts from someone who has only seen 3 playstation games get on here and tell everyone "all the ones he has seen... blah blah blah" . Jesus Chrysler heckler2000, WTF?? . "Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:sX2j8.18089$702.11134@sccrnsc02...

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> > > Hey what about Laguna Seca in ICR2? How did that compare? > > > > I'm not sure what ICR2 is. The Laguna Seca track in Newman Hauus Racing > for > > the PSX wasn't so bad. > > > > Heckler > What is ICR2??? ONly the GrandDaddy of all 3d racing sims, that's all. > ICR2 stands for Indy Car Racing 2 and shortly after it's release it

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> a 3d patch that enabled owners of Rendition Verite` 3d cards to run about > half the tracks in 3d. Frame rate jumps were almost 100% faster, full > screen edge anti Aliasing...Cleanest looking sim until the V5 showed up. > Here endeth the lesson. > dave henrie > >

"Heckler ����" wrote: > > I've had a few ideas for mods and was wondering if anyone was working on > them or wanted to have a go... I'm useless at creating stuff like that. < Snip > Rumor has it that a sim developer must pay Bernie E. $10 million for a license to use F1 drivers and cars in a sim, and another $5 million for rights to have fully implemented on-line play. F1 sims have on-line play, but users tell us that only about 4 drivers can race on-line at a time. I'm not sure what happens when this limit is pushed, but it must be something bad. I started playing on-line last December, NFS/Porsche. There is NOTHING like racing against real human beings. I don't care how good a sim's AI might be, I want to compete with real people from around the world. I purchased NASCAR Heat, which allows many (20+?) drivers to compete on-line, for their DTM (Mercedes, Opals and Alfas on road courses) mod. But I can't make their racing schedule. My Friday and Saturday nights are for my friends to come over and take turns with NFS/Porsche sprints. So I can't compete in this series which runs Friday nights. I hope they add a mid-week, or mid-day weekend (U.S. PST) session. I purchased F1-2001 yesterday, and will install it this week sometime. What we have is F1-2001 with the best physics, and non-F1 titles with the best competition. It's a tough call, but I'm more interested in mods for sims with good on-line play. Wouldn't it be better to put efforts into modifying non-F1 titles like NASCAR heat or NASCAR 2002? Larry

"Plowboy" <Plowboy'[email hidden]> wrote in message news:3c8cc6bf$[email hidden]... > Dave, > > You got to admit it sure is fun to read posts from someone who hasonly > seen 3 playstation games get on here and tell everyone "all the ones hehas > seen... blah blah blah" . > > Jesus Chrysler heckler2000, WTF?? Hey I've been playing computer games since the late 70's. I've owned most kinds of computers and consoles. Just because someone doesn't recognise an acronym doesn't make them some kind of noob. I've probably seen or played most of the mainstream racing games in the last 20 years, but you also have to remember that here in the UK we don't get a lot of coverage of Indy Cart games, we tend to find driving around an oval boring and uninteresting. :O� An example of how much I play games would be to explain that when I sold my PSX last summer I had over 90 games, 20 memory cards, 6 dual shock pads, recoil gun, wheel and a ton of other accessories. For my PC I've got in the region of 200 games, FF Joysticks, Rumble Pad and a ton of other accessories. I may be newish to this group, but I've been playing racing games on computers for over 20 years... Maybe I've got more experience with consoles, but until recently consoles had the edge when it came to racing games.... I played most of my racing games on consoles with a huge TV screen and full home theatre sound, and left the PC for strategy, FPS and so on... but with the increasing development of graphics cards and CPU's I now have a computer that can run these racing games as good as or better than a console. I sucked big time at GP2, at present I suck at f1 2001, but I'm getting better. Now please be a little more tolerant of you elders and betters across the pond. :o) Heckler

"Larry Lindstrom" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > > Wouldn't it be better to put efforts into modifying > non-F1 titles like NASCAR heat or NASCAR 2002? Maybe, but I don't have them. I'd rather have a mod for a game I own then I can buy other stuff I want like DVD's and more Cake's. :o) Heckler

On Mon, 11 Mar 2002 16:23:49 -0000, "Heckler ����" <[email hidden]> wrote: >but until recently consoles had the edge when it came to racing games.... I Hmm? >Now please be a little more tolerant of you elders and betters across the >pond. :o) I agree, people should me more tolerant. Now give the good example and release THRUSR out of your trashcan :) Andre CART!!!

"Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:sX2j8.18089$702.11134@sccrnsc02...

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> > > Hey what about Laguna Seca in ICR2? How did that compare? > > > > I'm not sure what ICR2 is. The Laguna Seca track in Newman Hauus Racing > for > > the PSX wasn't so bad. > > > > Heckler > What is ICR2??? ONly the GrandDaddy of all 3d racing sims, that's all. > ICR2 stands for Indy Car Racing 2 and shortly after it's release it

featured > a 3d patch that enabled owners of Rendition Verite` 3d cards to run about > half the tracks in 3d. Frame rate jumps were almost 100% faster, full > screen edge anti Aliasing...Cleanest looking sim until the V5 showed up. > Here endeth the lesson. > dave henrie Ah well there you have it, I was stuck with an old 486 with no 3D card until 98, it was fine for most of the games I played on the PC. Besides, it's CART racing.. we like proper racing in the UK... none of this going around a short oval track nonsense. :o) Heckler

"Andre Warringa" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > On Mon, 11 Mar 2002 16:23:49 -0000, "Heckler ����" > <[email hidden]> wrote: > > >but until recently consoles had the edge when it came to racing games....I > > Hmm? Consoles were much more accesible and much cheaper than a PC, factor in the cost of the 3D card in the early days.. and you see why consoles had the edge. I absoloutely loved F1 on the PSX in 96, sure it had bugs and the AI needed some workt... but it was a very good game, probably one of the ground breaking titles of it's day, and it included dolby surround sound... how many PC games were doing that back then? > >Now please be a little more tolerant of you elders and betters across the > >pond. :o) > > I agree, people should me more tolerant. Now give the good example and > release THRUSR out of your trashcan :) After countless posts that have nothing to do with any post he is replying to, all containing a single word in CAPS... I don't think I will, I haven't seen a single post that says anything other than CART. There's a hell of a lot of posts per day in here, and anything to help filter out the crap is a good thing. :o) Heckler

Heckler ���� <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:a6iljb$eklie$[email hidden]... > > > Hey I've been playing computer games since the late 70's. I've owned most > kinds of computers and consoles. Just because someone doesn't recognise an > acronym doesn't make them some kind of noob. Since the 70's, huh, Pong doesn't count for much here. Though I did play Asteroids and Backgammon on my TRS80 model 1, loaded them off cassette tape...moved up to a home built Heathkit 8088 in '82, it actually had (2) 5�" floppy drives and whopping 20mb HD. > I've probably seen or played most of the mainstream racing games in the > last 20 years, but you also have to remember that here in the UK we don't > get a lot of coverage of Indy Cart games, we tend to find driving aroundan > oval boring and uninteresting. :O� Yeah, anything other than follow the leader scares you guys for sure. Mainstream racing games for 20 years, hmmm the best one has only been out about 10. GPL even less than that. > An example of how much I play games would be to explain that when I soldmy > PSX last summer I had over 90 games, 20 memory cards, 6 dual shock pads, > recoil gun, wheel and a ton of other accessories. For my PC I've got inthe > region of 200 games, FF Joysticks, Rumble Pad and a ton of other > accessories. That proves it, a console gamer. I see why you would think you have driven 'most mainstream' games. > I may be newish to this group, but I've been playing racing games on > computers for over 20 years... Maybe I've got more experience withconsoles, > but until recently consoles had the edge when it came to racing games....I > played most of my racing games on consoles with a huge TV screen and full > home theatre sound, and left the PC for strategy, FPS and so on... butwith > the increasing development of graphics cards and CPU's I now have acomputer > that can run these racing games as good as or better than a console. Recently!?, consoles haven't had an edge on computers for 'sim' racing since NASCAR Racing 1 came out in the early 90's. You weren't too hardcore, playing your console games on a TV with a d-pad that rumbled a little. Try a sim on a computer with a wheel controller.

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> I sucked big time at GP2, at present I suck at f1 2001, but I'm getting > better. > > Now please be a little more tolerant of you elders and betters across the > pond. :o) > > > Heckler > >

On Mon, 11 Mar 2002 16:42:57 -0000, "Heckler ����" <[email hidden]> wrote: >Consoles were much more accesible and much cheaper than a PC, factor in the >cost of the 3D card in the early days.. and you see why consoles had the >edge. I absoloutely loved F1 on the PSX in 96, sure it had bugs and the AI >needed some workt... but it was a very good game, probably one of the ground >breaking titles of it's day, and it included dolby surround sound... how >many PC games were doing that back then? I don't agree with you.. you said 'untill recently consoles had the better racing games'.. GPL is about 3.5 years old and I don't think anything on any console came close to it. Those GT games might have great looks and sounds, after 10 minutes they allready became boring to me (haven't played GT3 though, but from what I hear from friends it's a good looking need for speed clone, not a sim). And I don't like playing racing games with those gamepads :-/ But you sold GPL a long time ago I read in another post so we just have a different taste in racing games/sims I guess..

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>After countless posts that have nothing to do with any post he is replying >to, all containing a single word in CAPS... I don't think I will, I haven't >seen a single post that says anything other than CART. There's a hell of a >lot of posts per day in here, and anything to help filter out the crap is a >good thing. :o) > >Heckler

Yes, well, makes me laugh everytime when I see another CART post from him :) I was once digging through some readers mail on www.gamesdomain.com, the topic was about some cart game, and I ROFL'd my ass off when I saw a CART mail from TRUSRS :)) Andre

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> > "Larry Lindstrom" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > > > Wouldn't it be better to put efforts into modifying > > non-F1 titles like NASCAR heat or NASCAR 2002? > > Maybe, but I don't have them. I'd rather have a mod for a game I own then I > can buy other stuff I want like DVD's and more Cake's. :o)

Have you raced on-line? Larry

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> "Heckler ����" wrote: > > > > "Larry Lindstrom" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:[email hidden]... > > > > > > Wouldn't it be better to put efforts into modifying > > > non-F1 titles like NASCAR heat or NASCAR 2002? > > > > Maybe, but I don't have them. I'd rather have a mod for a game I own

then I > > can buy other stuff I want like DVD's and more Cake's. :o) > > Have you raced on-line? Crappy 56k modem and even crappier connection. I'm upgrading to ADSL as soon as I can, but I'm near the limit of distance from the exchange and NT"HELL" have been lying about upgrading my area so we can get cable phones/modems/digital for the last 4 years. It makes trying to play any game online hard work.... and the only time I can get a decent enough ping to make it worthwhile is when a server is close to me or it's 4 am and hardly anyone is using the ISP. Heckler

"CarGuy" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:fR5j8.47801$[email hidden]... > > Heckler ���� <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:a6iljb$eklie$[email hidden]... > > > > > > Hey I've been playing computer games since the late 70's. I've ownedmost > > kinds of computers and consoles. Just because someone doesn't recognisean > > acronym doesn't make them some kind of noob. > > Since the 70's, huh, Pong doesn't count for much here. Though I did play > Asteroids and Backgammon on my TRS80 model 1, loaded them off cassette > tape...moved up to a home built Heathkit 8088 in '82, it actually had (2) > 5�" floppy drives and whopping 20mb HD. Sitting in my cupboard is an old Amstrad 1640 complete and working, 2 Commodore Amigas with printers, tons of games, memory upgrades and an Atari ST 1040 with printer, scanner, ton of games and monitor. > Yeah, anything other than follow the leader scares you guys for sure. > Mainstream racing games for 20 years, hmmm the best one has only been out > about 10. GPL even less than that. Have you never played Sprint or Pole Position? > That proves it, a console gamer. I see why you would think you have driven > 'most mainstream' games. That proves it, a snob. PC sims are not the be all and end all of racing games. I'm open to all types of racing.. I even bought Nascar 4, tried it and took it back for something better. > Recently!?, consoles haven't had an edge on computers for 'sim' racingsince > NASCAR Racing 1 came out in the early 90's. You weren't too hardcore, > playing your console games on a TV with a d-pad that rumbled a little. Trya > sim on a computer with a wheel controller. Have done, and I said I was used to an analogue pad so I'm gonna prefer something that I can pick up and use straight away.... I don't have a broadband connection, so online gaming is hard enough, having a group of friends round and linking up a PSX for some F1 or Wipeout fun or throwing a couple of multitaps in and having 8 players at football (The proper game not the rugby wannabe played in the US), or Hockey is far more fun than sitting in front of my computer struggling to keep a car on a track with a huge ping and packet loss.... If I get knocked of the track I can turn around and see the expression on his face as I insult him. :o) As for being hardcore, you should have seen me party.. I may not be hardcore in gaming terms.. but I rock in real life. :oP > > Now please be a little more tolerant of you elders and betters acrossthe > > pond. :o) Heckler

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> I don't agree with you.. you said 'untill recently consoles had the > better racing games'.. GPL is about 3.5 years old and I don't think > anything on any console came close to it. > Those GT games might have great looks and sounds, after 10 minutes > they allready became boring to me (haven't played GT3 though, but from > what I hear from friends it's a good looking need for speed clone, not > a sim). > And I don't like playing racing games with those gamepads :-/

I'm not sure GPL would have been a great deal of fun to me 3.5 years ago on a cyrix200mx 16mb with 1mb SVGA graphics, but TOCA on the playstation was enormous fun, and a better sim than GPL at the time (to me, because of the PC available to me). As for GT/GT2 etc, I have both of these on PSX, and I can say that while you can drive it like an arcade game, in that it will catch your slides to a certain extent, etc, if you drive it "properly" it behaves properly. It only allows the player to continue round the track when, eg, a GPL player would be picking his teeth out of the armco, but to get the best lap times in GT2, you had to set the car up just right, and drive it *properly*. I used to enter the offline races at www.granturismo.com, and in every case the best drivers were the ones that used proper car control. The rest of us could get round a lap, and beat the AI, by driving it like ridge racer, but it still behaved like a proper sim up to the point you make a mistake and the safety net appeared. Complaining that driving a racing sim on a console requires the use of a gamepad is like saying I don't like GPL because using a keyboard is no fun at all. Wheels don't come with consoles, nor do they come with PCs last I looked. GT2 also offered "simulation" tyres, which provided an experience which would be comparable to driving N4 in simulation as opposed to arcade in that it removed the forgiving high grip tyre model. In my opinion, GT2 is a sim. It may not be as good as some other software, but it's still a sim. cheers John

> > Wouldn't it be better to put efforts into modifying > non-F1 titles like NASCAR heat or NASCAR 2002? > > Larry > Two reasons: 1) Nascar Heat is not, never was, and never will be, available to buy in the UK without going through some right messing about with online/mail order stores. Then paying the equivalent of $50 US imported, or $45 direct for a game that retails for less than $10 US and it's not a glowing proposition. Heckler is a brit, so that argument would count for him also I guess. 2) Nascar 2002, like all other papyrus games, is utterly locked, encrypted and barred from any kind of modification. It's only through sheer determination that the addons for GPL, and lately N4 have surfaced. Papy have actively made it difficult to produce modifications for any of their games, as a matter of policy. EA, with their F1 2001 software, have a relatively open platform for modifiers to exploit. The argument for Heat is a good one, but it's, frankly, rarer than rocking horse shite in the UK. Only someone seriously determined to play the mods would fork out $50 for it to be shipped from the US. cheers John

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> > > > > Wouldn't it be better to put efforts into modifying > > non-F1 titles like NASCAR heat or NASCAR 2002? > > > > Larry > > > > Two reasons: > 1) Nascar Heat is not, never was, and never will be, available to buy in > the UK without going through some right messing about with online/mail > order stores. Then paying the equivalent of $50 US imported, or $45 direct > for a game that retails for less than $10 US and it's not a glowing > proposition. Heckler is a brit, so that argument would count for him also I > guess. > > 2) Nascar 2002, like all other papyrus games, is utterly locked, encrypted > and barred from any kind of modification. It's only through sheer > determination that the addons for GPL, and lately N4 have surfaced. Papy > have actively made it difficult to produce modifications for any of their > games, as a matter of policy. > EA, with their F1 2001 software, have a relatively open platform for > modifiers to exploit. > > The argument for Heat is a good one, but it's, frankly, rarer than rocking > horse shite in the UK. Only someone seriously determined to play the mods > would fork out $50 for it to be shipped from the US.

Sorry John, but I don't agree, several of the games I own have never been released in Norway, I've had friends from US or CAN get them for me, usually in exchange for some game or another that has been released earlier over here in Europe N3, NL, N99, DTR and NHeat all came into my possession this way, as did a rerelase of ICR2 after I misplaced my CD and needed it for the TPTCC a couple of years ago, traded DTR for a copy of the STCC game, etc Just look at Rally Trophy, there's been plenty of guys in here wanting to get their hands on a legit copy without paying through their nose, all you have to do is ask :-) Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy http://www.theuspits.com http://www.teammirage.com "Animation isn't the illusion of life; it is life" --Chuck Jones (1912-2002)--

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> > > > Have you raced on-line? > > Crappy 56k modem and even crappier connection. I'm upgrading to ADSL as soon > as I can, but I'm near the limit of distance from the exchange and NT"HELL" > have been lying about upgrading my area so we can get cable > phones/modems/digital for the last 4 years. > > It makes trying to play any game online hard work.... and the only time I > can get a decent enough ping to make it worthwhile is when a server is close > to me or it's 4 am and hardly anyone is using the ISP.

My PC is a Solaris (Unix) computer right now, and will probably be setup with a Matrox G400 card 'till this weekend. So I can't install F1-2001 until I swap in my old V5/5500. I did look in the F1-2001 manual's multi-player section and didn't see one important option, which I hope is available. That option is "Collision". This is an option that makes online racing with a slow connection doable. Look, I'm not here to say NFS/Porsche is a great sim with fantastic physics, but it aint crap either. This is the only NFS game I own, but NFS/P is supposed to have far nicer physics than other titles in the series. With NFS/P, cars with slow ping times look jerky to other drivers, and you don't really know where they are so close maneuvering, like passing, becomes dangerous. Turning off collision is a solution that allows all to have a good time. Each driver sees the track in the smooth presentation their computer can deliver, and other cars, with slow updates, are jerky. But with collision off, just drive through them. This is a major compromise, the person who starts a game is the "host", and dictates the collision setting. Once you get used to it the racing is still great fun, but you can drive through other cars. How many posts come from Papy NASCAR drivers complaining about jerks who collide with everyone and screw up the fun? Turning off collision in NFS/P keeps these jerks from bothering others. I'd rather race F1 cars, but NFS/P has to be pretty cheap if it's available at all, in fact EA had a copy for $20.00 (USD), and it had three other driving games in the box. On-line racing is so much fun, if collision off isn't an option in F1-2001, grab a copy of NFS/P, or borrow a copy from a friend to test, and get on-line with your slow conneciton. Larry

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> > > > > Wouldn't it be better to put efforts into modifying > > non-F1 titles like NASCAR heat or NASCAR 2002? > > > > Larry > > > > Two reasons: > 1) Nascar Heat is not, never was, and never will be, available to buy in > the UK without going through some right messing about with online/mail > order stores.

< Snip > > 2) Nascar 2002, like all other papyrus games, is utterly locked, encrypted > and barred from any kind of modification. < Snip > Perhaps that Ausi V8 sim will be the ticket. F1-2001 physics without the F1 on-line limitation. I saw something about that a month or two ago. Is it an EA game? Or is it an F1/2001 mod like the GT mod? I had the impression it would be an EA release. Anybody know a release date? Larry

>Besides, it's CART racing.. we like proper racing in the UK... none of this >going around a short oval track nonsense. :o) dude..........get off your soap box. Follow CART for 1 year and you will figure out that CART is most road and street courses and just a few ovals. You are thinking of the IRL which is all ovals. DO NOT get the 2 of them confused.

>Yes, well, makes me laugh everytime when I see another CART post from >him :) I was once digging through some readers mail on >www.gamesdomain.com, the topic was about some cart game, and I ROFL'd >my ass off when I saw a CART mail from TRUSRS :)) > >Andre think you could find that link again? :-D

What a dorky arcade "racer" ROTFLMAO what a load of crap he spews... Double PLONK! "Heckler ����" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:a6j74k$eou6j$[email hidden]...

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> > "CarGuy" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:fR5j8.47801$[email hidden]... > > > > Heckler ���� <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:a6iljb$eklie$[email hidden]... > > > > > > > > > Hey I've been playing computer games since the late 70's. I've owned > most > > > kinds of computers and consoles. Just because someone doesn't

recognise > an > > > acronym doesn't make them some kind of noob. > > > > Since the 70's, huh, Pong doesn't count for much here. Though I did play > > Asteroids and Backgammon on my TRS80 model 1, loaded them off cassette > > tape...moved up to a home built Heathkit 8088 in '82, it actually had(2) > > 5�" floppy drives and whopping 20mb HD. > > Sitting in my cupboard is an old Amstrad 1640 complete and working, 2 > Commodore Amigas with printers, tons of games, memory upgrades and anAtari > ST 1040 with printer, scanner, ton of games and monitor. > > > Yeah, anything other than follow the leader scares you guys for sure. > > Mainstream racing games for 20 years, hmmm the best one has only beenout > > about 10. GPL even less than that. > > Have you never played Sprint or Pole Position? > > > That proves it, a console gamer. I see why you would think you havedriven

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> > 'most mainstream' games. > > That proves it, a snob. PC sims are not the be all and end all of racing > games. I'm open to all types of racing.. I even bought Nascar 4, tried it > and took it back for something better. > > > Recently!?, consoles haven't had an edge on computers for 'sim' racing > since > > NASCAR Racing 1 came out in the early 90's. You weren't too hardcore, > > playing your console games on a TV with a d-pad that rumbled a little.

Try

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> a > > sim on a computer with a wheel controller. > > Have done, and I said I was used to an analogue pad so I'm gonna prefer > something that I can pick up and use straight away.... I don't have a > broadband connection, so online gaming is hard enough, having a group of > friends round and linking up a PSX for some F1 or Wipeout fun or throwing

a > couple of multitaps in and having 8 players at football (The proper gamenot > the rugby wannabe played in the US), or Hockey is far more fun thansitting > in front of my computer struggling to keep a car on a track with a hugeping > and packet loss.... If I get knocked of the track I can turn around andsee > the expression on his face as I insult him. :o) > > As for being hardcore, you should have seen me party.. I may not behardcore

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> in gaming terms.. but I rock in real life. :oP > > > > Now please be a little more tolerant of you elders and betters across > the > > > pond. :o) > > > Heckler > >

"Larry Lindstrom" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > On-line racing is so much fun, if collision off isn't an > option in F1-2001, grab a copy of NFS/P, or borrow a copy > from a friend to test, and get on-line with your slow > conneciton. I have a copy of NFS:P and it is a very nice game. But I checked in with the NFS newsgroup a while back and saw reports of EA shutting down the servers for good back in Jan, some people were hoping EA would release the code for the online so they could set-up servers but I don't think they ever did... They just want people to buy a game they can't even play offline and then pay again to play. Heckler

"Edward C" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:RBcj8.77685$[email hidden]... > What a dorky arcade "racer" ROTFLMAO > what a load of crap he spews... > > Double PLONK! Probably a waste of my time replying but it's always nice to see intolerance and ignorance in full swing. Thanks for coming.... pity ya dad did. Heckler

You tell him TRUSRS85!! CART is the truest form of racing in existence as far as I'm concerned. Purpose built single seat race cars capable of over 200 mph on ovals, an international selection of tracks including both road courses and ovals, and plenty of passing and lead changes both on the course and in the pits. Where else can you find all of that? "TRUSRS85" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > >Besides, it's CART racing.. we like proper racing in the UK... noneof this > >going around a short oval track nonsense. :o) > > dude..........get off your soap box. Follow CART for 1 year and youwill figure > out that CART is most road and street courses and just a few ovals. > > You are thinking of the IRL which is all ovals. > > DO NOT get the 2 of them confused.

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> > "Larry Lindstrom" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > > On-line racing is so much fun, if collision off isn't an > > option in F1-2001, grab a copy of NFS/P, or borrow a copy > > from a friend to test, and get on-line with your slow > > conneciton. > > I have a copy of NFS:P and it is a very nice game. But I checked in with the > NFS newsgroup a while back and saw reports of EA shutting down the servers > for good back in Jan, some people were hoping EA would release the code for > the online so they could set-up servers but I don't think they ever did... > They just want people to buy a game they can't even play offline and then > pay again to play.

EA. caught so much hell, they reversed that decision. The server are up. Come on in. I race as Dragon. I hope I see you this weekend. Larry

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> "Heckler ����" wrote: > > > > "Larry Lindstrom" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:[email hidden]... > > > > > On-line racing is so much fun, if collision off isn't an > > > option in F1-2001, grab a copy of NFS/P, or borrow a copy > > > from a friend to test, and get on-line with your slow > > > conneciton. > > > > I have a copy of NFS:P and it is a very nice game. But I checked in with

the > > NFS newsgroup a while back and saw reports of EA shutting down theservers > > for good back in Jan, some people were hoping EA would release the codefor > > the online so they could set-up servers but I don't think they everdid... > > They just want people to buy a game they can't even play offline andthen

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> > pay again to play. > > EA. caught so much hell, they reversed that decision. > > The server are up. Come on in. > > I race as Dragon. I hope I see you this weekend.

Hehehe nice to see they backed down on it. I'll have a look at it this weekend, see how bad I am against the other drivers. :o) Heckler

Hey TRUSRS, he's already confused, he thinks this is rec.crappy.arcaderacer CART, CART, CART!!! EC "TRUSRS85" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > >Besides, it's CART racing.. we like proper racing in the UK... none ofthis > >going around a short oval track nonsense. :o) > > dude..........get off your soap box. Follow CART for 1 year and you willfigure > out that CART is most road and street courses and just a few ovals. > > You are thinking of the IRL which is all ovals. > > DO NOT get the 2 of them confused.

> > Probably a waste of my time replying but it's always nice to seeintolerance > and ignorance in full swing. Yes and here is a perfect example from yourself..." "> CART >Is that the only thing you can write? >PLONK!" What is ICR2.....hehehe....go back in the closet with your rumble pad...oh this is too funny lololol

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> > > > > Probably a waste of my time replying but it's always nice to see > intolerance > > and ignorance in full swing. > > Yes and here is a perfect example from yourself..." > > > "> CART > > >Is that the only thing you can write? > > > >PLONK!" > > What is ICR2.....hehehe....go back in the closet with your rumble pad...oh > this is too funny lololol

Ya know most of the people here have been helpful and friendly. but I guess I forgot every newsgroup has it's resident dumbass. I mean oh deary me.. I didn't recognise an acronym, what a crime.... I didn't remember a game that had virtually no impact on this side of the world. I really hate stereotypes, but you are a typical example of how Americans are perceived elsewhere.... Ignorant, arrogant and so insular... You know nothing of the world outside your own country. You're a snob of the most pathetic kind.... you're a snob about computer games, how pathetic is that... So I've played a lot of arcade type racers.. whoopeee... and I had a lot of fun doing it, I don't care if a game is Arcade or Simulation, I care if it's enjoyable, fun, if it's neither of those then it get's traded on, returned to the store, hell I've even destroyed a couple they've been so bad (Andreti racing for example was covered in lighter fluid and burnt). The main difference between us though, is that I'm open minded, I'll try both things.. Sure you may have a preference for Sims over arcade... but you have a real shitty attitude towards people who don't. And so much for plonking me eh.... I guess that makes you a liar as well. Heckler

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>>Yes, well, makes me laugh everytime when I see another CART post from >>him :) I was once digging through some readers mail on >>www.gamesdomain.com, the topic was about some cart game, and I ROFL'd >>my ass off when I saw a CART mail from TRUSRS :)) >> >>Andre > >think you could find that link again? :-D

Do a search on gamesdomain, I believe they keep an archive of old readers mail.. Andre

> I really hate stereotypes, but you are a typical example of how Americans > are perceived elsewhere.... Ignorant, arrogant and so insular... You know > nothing of the world outside your own country. Well, I'm an not American, but I bet all the Americans here will love you for your open minded, tolerant and oh so unstereotypical view of them. You are a hypocrite of the worst kind! Now you will be PLONKED

Edward C wrote... > > <snip> > Well, I'm an not American, but I bet all the Americans here will > love you for your open minded, tolerant and oh so unstereotypical > view of them. You are a hypocrite of the worst kind! > > Now you will be PLONKED Oh come on Ed, where's your sense of humour? This guy is way to (unintentionally) funny to be killfiled. And doggedly persistent... I mean, we can toy with him for ages. <g> Jan. ;-) =---

Maybe you are right Jan, he does supply us with lots of good material to work with :-) EC "Jan Verschueren" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:qYwj8.251705$[email hidden]...

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> Edward C wrote... > > > <snip> > > Well, I'm an not American, but I bet all the Americans here will > > love you for your open minded, tolerant and oh so unstereotypical > > view of them. You are a hypocrite of the worst kind! > > > > Now you will be PLONKED > > Oh come on Ed, where's your sense of humour? > > This guy is way to (unintentionally) funny to be killfiled. And doggedly > persistent... I mean, we can toy with him for ages. <g> > > Jan. ;-) > =--- > >

"JM" < >, but it's, frankly, rarer than rocking > horse shite in the UK. welllll, if that don't take the rag off'n the bush! i'm as happy as a gopher in soft dirt to find a link from some of these southern ways of expression from the homeland! keep 'em coming! btw, did ya just make this up or can you give me some origins on how valuable rocking horse shite is. also.... how do you know if you've found some. i know it's off topic, but i'd really like to know. tia rob

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> Edward C wrote... > > > <snip> > > Well, I'm an not American, but I bet all the Americans here will > > love you for your open minded, tolerant and oh so unstereotypical > > view of them. You are a hypocrite of the worst kind! > > > > Now you will be PLONKED > > Oh come on Ed, where's your sense of humour? > > This guy is way to (unintentionally) funny to be killfiled. And doggedly > persistent... I mean, we can toy with him for ages. <g>

Unintentionally? Maybe I'm just weeding out who's helpful and who are the narrow minded-fanatic-obsessive-snobs. It was much easier than I first thought.... Offer up some bait and they just can't help themselves, no sense of self restraint or control. I could toy with them for ages. :o) Heckler P.S. Did no one realise that my nickname was the most blatant of clues?

> Unintentionally? Maybe I'm just weeding out who's helpful and who are the > narrow minded-fanatic-obsessive-snobs. It was much easier than I first > thought Hahaha....oh yes the great master plan, "I know, I'll go to a newsgroup about racing SIMULATORS, (the name of the group was your first clue, understandable though why you didn't get it) and proclaim that console arcade racers are better than PC race simulators (in so many words), then when I'm caught flat-footed like a deer in a cars headlights, I'll say I'm just weeding out the helpful from people like me (you)" Bloody stroke of genious!....NOT! > P.S. Did no one realise that my nickname was the most blatant of clues? Phhhhht.... good thing it is not your occupation, or you would be starving and homeless...Heckler indeed, Joke is more appropriate and a bad one at that. I am tired of this battle of wits with someone who is so completely unarmed, takes the fun out of it...bye, bye Joke! Sorry Jan. I have to kill file him now, he's becoming too desperate in his replies...poor thing that he is, have pity EC

"Edward C" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:BuPj8.15909$[email hidden]... oooh look Mr C still hasn't plonked me like he's claimed he was doing. > > Unintentionally? Maybe I'm just weeding out who's helpful and who arethe

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> > narrow minded-fanatic-obsessive-snobs. It was much easier than I first > > thought > > Hahaha....oh yes the great master plan, "I know, I'll go to a newsgroup > about racing SIMULATORS, (the name of the group was your first clue, > understandable though why you didn't get it) and proclaim that console > arcade racers are better than PC race simulators (in so many words), then > when I'm caught flat-footed like a deer in a cars headlights, I'll say I'm > just weeding out the helpful from people like me (you)" Bloody stroke of > genious!....NOT!

Sigh.. could you be any more stupid? Perhaps you would like to provide the proof of where I said "console arcade racers are better than PC race simulators" Perhaps you mean this statement? "Maybe I've got more experience with consoles, but until recently consoles had the edge when it came to racing games.... I played most of my racing games on consoles with a huge TV screen and full home theatre sound, and left the PC for strategy, FPS and so on... but with the increasing development of graphics cards and CPU's I now have a computer that can run these racing games as good as or better than a console." Or this one. "Have done, and I said I was used to an analogue pad so I'm gonna prefer something that I can pick up and use straight away.... I don't have a broadband connection, so online gaming is hard enough, having a group of friends round and linking up a PSX for some F1 or Wipeout fun or throwing a couple of multitaps in and having 8 players at football (The proper game not the rugby wannabe played in the US), or Hockey is far more fun than sitting in front of my computer struggling to keep a car on a track with a huge ping and packet loss.... If I get knocked of the track I can turn around and see the expression on his face as I insult him. :o)" Perhaps it was this one "That proves it, a snob. PC sims are not the be all and end all of racing games. I'm open to all types of racing.. I even bought Nascar 4, tried it and took it back for something better." You've obviously taken something I've said, misinterpreted it and then jumped straight in not countering anything, not offering anything constructive... just dive in and insult someone (Check your first post to this thread)... and then you seem surprised when they react... when they bait you in such an obvious way... when everyone else appears to have the common sense to steer clear of the point. The most ironic thing of all, is that this thread was actually started by me, asking about and offering ideas for mods for a racing SIMULATOR... so obviously I only like console arcade racers..... NOT!!! > > P.S. Did no one realise that my nickname was the most blatant of clues? > > Phhhhht.... good thing it is not your occupation, or you would be starving > and homeless...Heckler indeed, Joke is more appropriate and a bad one at > that. ROFLMAO... Oh the irony of that statement.. If only you had a clue... if I give you a dollar you could buy one. > I am tired of this battle of wits with someone who is so completelyunarmed, > takes the fun out of it...bye, bye Joke! But I was just about to come down to your idiot level so you could beat me with all that experience. > Sorry Jan. I have to kill file him now, he's becoming too desperate in his > replies...poor thing that he is, have pity Yeah of course you will. You're not even making this hard for me... Learning Monaco was easier than this. Heckler

anyone seen Revved lately? "Heckler ����"

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> > Perhaps that Ausi V8 sim will be the ticket. F1-2001 physics > without the F1 on-line limitation. > > I saw something about that a month or two ago. Is it an EA > game? Or is it an F1/2001 mod like the GT mod? > > I had the impression it would be an EA release. > > Anybody know a release date? > > Larry >

you could be onto something there. There is definitely (last I checked) an EA V8 sim coming out. I'm not sure that the relaxed online license will lead to improved online play- just a hunch about how much effort EA's programmers would put into online code that couldn't be used in their F1 cash-cow... Don't know the release date sorry. cheers John

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> > keep 'em coming! btw, did ya just make this up or can you give me > some origins on how valuable rocking horse shite is. also.... how do > you know if you've found some. i know it's off topic, but i'd really > like to know. > > tia > > rob

I didn't make it up, maybe my grandad did but I doubt it. rocking horses, being inanimate objects made of wood, don't leave many pellets- hence the rarity :o) I did hear there was a souvenier shop in Durham that sold rocking horse shite though- you could buy a little bag of wooden balls. :oD Need a drink- me mouth's rougher than a roofer's glove... cheers John

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> > > > > keep 'em coming! btw, did ya just make this up or can you give me > > some origins on how valuable rocking horse shite is. also.... how do > > you know if you've found some. i know it's off topic, but i'd really > > like to know. > > > > tia > > > > rob > > I didn't make it up, maybe my grandad did but I doubt it.

I think the phrase has been around as long as rocking horses. > rocking horses, being inanimate objects made of wood, don't leave many > pellets- hence the rarity :o) > > I did hear there was a souvenier shop in Durham that sold rocking horse > shite though- you could buy a little bag of wooden balls. :oD I have some rocking horse shit, although it's a carving from a block of wood rather than droppings... it's got the splat look to it. :o) > Need a drink- me mouth's rougher than a roofer's glove... Haven't heard that one, I tend to use the phrase 'Mouth drier than a Nuns crotch' But the favourite has to be 'The dogs bollocks I mean how on earth did this one originate? Were two guys sitting around and one goes 'Hey look at the tits on that woman over there.. fantastic' but the 2nd shouts "Never mind that, look at the testicles on that poodle". Heckler