If last night was any indication.....

...Sunday's RAS N2k2 race is going to be a real humdinger! Got on Eldred's server (thanx Eldred!) for a 17lap fixed setup race at CocaCola. Who joins in? DGF (among others). There was a real battle going on for the lead, and at one point we were door to door for about 5 laps straight. We fell in line again & drafted for about another 2 laps. Going into 3, I got another good run on him & slipped by on the inside just before turn-in. Having to lift slightly so as not to wash up into him, he gets beside me again by exit in T4, and we spent another 2 laps door to door. With about 5 laps to go though, I get disco'd & that was it. :-) -- Fester "Beware the leader who bangs the drums of war in order to whip the citizenry into a patriotic fervor, for patriotism is indeed a double-edged sword. It both emboldens the blood, just as it narrows the mind. And when the drums of war have reached a fever pitch and the blood boils with hate and the mind has closed, the leader will have no need in seizing the rights of the citizenry. Rather, the citizenry, infused with fear and blinded by patriotism, will offer up all of their rights unto the leader and gladly so. How do I know? For this is what I have done. And I am Caesar." -- Julius Caesar

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> ...Sunday's RAS N2k2 race is going to be a real humdinger! > > Got on Eldred's server (thanx Eldred!) for a 17lap fixed setup race at > CocaCola. Who joins in? DGF (among others). There was a real battle > going on for the lead, and at one point we were door to door for about 5 > laps straight. We fell in line again & drafted for about another 2 > laps. Going into 3, I got another good run on him & slipped by on the > inside just before turn-in. Having to lift slightly so as not to wash > up into him, he gets beside me again by exit in T4, and we spent another > 2 laps door to door. With about 5 laps to go though, I get disco'd & > that was it. :-)

Good to see that a long longed for r.a.s. server is coming up for nascar racing aswell. Now, if that game would be released over here... -- Olav K. Malmin remove .spam when replying

On Wed, 13 Mar 2002 13:30:27 GMT, Uncle Fester <[email hidden]> wrote: > >...Sunday's RAS N2k2 race is going to be a real humdinger! Two more days before my official copy arrives.. Two looong days :) Shame about the disco though.. how was the ping to Eldred's servers? What kind of connection do you have? Andre

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> On Wed, 13 Mar 2002 13:30:27 GMT, Uncle Fester <[email hidden]> > wrote: > > >>...Sunday's RAS N2k2 race is going to be a real humdinger! > > > Two more days before my official copy arrives.. > Two looong days :) > Shame about the disco though.. how was the ping to Eldred's servers? > What kind of connection do you have? > > Andre

I've got cable. As normal, I was also d/ling files from BearShare at the same time, & my ping was about 50. Once I was disco'd, I could no longer ping Eldred's server at all. After the race, I was talking with both DGF & Jason Moyer in the lobby. They were able to ping Eldred's server & were getting ready for their own race. Funny thing about it is, I'm not very far away at all from the server. 25 miles tops. I've never had that before, even with hosts all over the world! Oh well, it was GREAT fun while it lasted & that's what counts. Thanx again Eldred! :-) -- Fester "Beware the leader who bangs the drums of war in order to whip the citizenry into a patriotic fervor, for patriotism is indeed a double-edged sword. It both emboldens the blood, just as it narrows the mind. And when the drums of war have reached a fever pitch and the blood boils with hate and the mind has closed, the leader will have no need in seizing the rights of the citizenry. Rather, the citizenry, infused with fear and blinded by patriotism, will offer up all of their rights unto the leader and gladly so. How do I know? For this is what I have done. And I am Caesar." -- Julius Caesar

> Funny thing about it > is, I'm not very far away at all from the server. 25 miles tops. Just Curious where are the servers located at? Looks like my MOMO will be here by the weekend so I loking forward to the showdown :) MadDAWG

MadDAWG wrote: >> Funny thing about it >>is, I'm not very far away at all from the server. 25 miles tops > > . > Just Curious where are the servers located at? Looks like my MOMO will be > here by the weekend so I loking forward to the showdown :) Eldred's are located in Ann Arbor, MI, I believe. I don't know where the servers are that DGF is supposed to be renting though. -- Fester "Beware the leader who bangs the drums of war in order to whip the citizenry into a patriotic fervor, for patriotism is indeed a double-edged sword. It both emboldens the blood, just as it narrows the mind. And when the drums of war have reached a fever pitch and the blood boils with hate and the mind has closed, the leader will have no need in seizing the rights of the citizenry. Rather, the citizenry, infused with fear and blinded by patriotism, will offer up all of their rights unto the leader and gladly so. How do I know? For this is what I have done. And I am Caesar." -- Julius Caesar

Extreme-Servers are located in Toronto. "Uncle Fester" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > MadDAWG wrote: > >> Funny thing about it > >>is, I'm not very far away at all from the server. 25 miles tops > > > > . > > Just Curious where are the servers located at? Looks like my MOMO willbe

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> > here by the weekend so I loking forward to the showdown :) > > > Eldred's are located in Ann Arbor, MI, I believe. I don't know where > the servers are that DGF is supposed to be renting though. > > -- > > Fester > > "Beware the leader who bangs the drums of war in order to whip the > citizenry into a patriotic fervor, for patriotism is indeed a > double-edged sword. It both emboldens the blood, just as it narrows the > mind. And when the drums of war have reached a fever pitch and the > blood boils with hate and the mind has closed, the leader will have no > need in seizing the rights of the citizenry. Rather, the citizenry, > infused with fear and blinded by patriotism, will offer up all of their > rights unto the leader and gladly so. How do I know? For this is what I > have done. And I am Caesar." -- Julius Caesar >

> Eldred's are located in Ann Arbor, MI, I believe. I don't know where > the servers are that DGF is supposed to be renting though. Sweet ! I'm not as close as you but still pretty good. I'm north east of Grand Rapids. MadDAWG

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>> Eldred's are located in Ann Arbor, MI, I believe. I don't know where >> the servers are that DGF is supposed to be renting though. > > >Sweet ! I'm not as close as you but still pretty good. I'm north east of >Grand Rapids. > >MadDAWG

Distance doesn't matter that much though.. I'm from Holland and never had problems with Eldreds server in full GPL GP races.. Andre

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>>Eldred's are located in Ann Arbor, MI, I believe. I don't know where >>the servers are that DGF is supposed to be renting though. > > > > Sweet ! I'm not as close as you but still pretty good. I'm north east of > Grand Rapids. > > MadDAWG

Very cool. I'm in Taylor, about 3 miles east of Metro Airport. -- Fester "Beware the leader who bangs the drums of war in order to whip the citizenry into a patriotic fervor, for patriotism is indeed a double-edged sword. It both emboldens the blood, just as it narrows the mind. And when the drums of war have reached a fever pitch and the blood boils with hate and the mind has closed, the leader will have no need in seizing the rights of the citizenry. Rather, the citizenry, infused with fear and blinded by patriotism, will offer up all of their rights unto the leader and gladly so. How do I know? For this is what I have done. And I am Caesar." -- Julius Caesar

Physical location means very little. It all depends on how your ISP routes traffic. I have had mine hope across north america and back to connect to someone down the street that's on a different ISP. "MadDAWG" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> > Eldred's are located in Ann Arbor, MI, I believe. I don't know where > > the servers are that DGF is supposed to be renting though. > > > Sweet ! I'm not as close as you but still pretty good. I'm north east of > Grand Rapids. > > MadDAWG > >

Very true, but the closer you are the better your chances. :) I have Charter cable and things seems pretty good. Charter sells it broad band simular to DSL where you by it by the bandwidth. I think they are doing this because they had a bad rap from over selling their bandwidth in the past. MadDAWG

Actual physical location has very little effect on conn quality. I've known people who are within blocks of a server have terrible conns, while others across country, have great ones. There's just to many other factors involved. -John "MadDAWG" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> > Funny thing about it > > is, I'm not very far away at all from the server. 25 miles tops > . > Just Curious where are the servers located at? Looks like my MOMO will be > here by the weekend so I loking forward to the showdown :) > > MadDAWG > >

I cancelled that server rental because Eldred said he'd host the race. He set up the server last night so we could test it out. David G Fisher "Uncle Fester" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> > Eldred's are located in Ann Arbor, MI, I believe. I don't know where > the servers are that DGF is supposed to be renting though. > > -- > > Fester > > "Beware the leader who bangs the drums of war in order to whip the > citizenry into a patriotic fervor, for patriotism is indeed a > double-edged sword. It both emboldens the blood, just as it narrows the > mind. And when the drums of war have reached a fever pitch and the > blood boils with hate and the mind has closed, the leader will have no > need in seizing the rights of the citizenry. Rather, the citizenry, > infused with fear and blinded by patriotism, will offer up all of their > rights unto the leader and gladly so. How do I know? For this is what I > have done. And I am Caesar." -- Julius Caesar > >

You lost your nerve and disconnected. :-) Yea, that was a lot of fun going door to door, especially at that track because it's not easy to hold a tight line through the turns at that speed. That little dip on entry can cause problems. Not sure what caused you and the other driver to be disco'd at the same moment, yet I was able to go on. I was looking forward to the finish. David G Fisher "Uncle Fester" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> > ...Sunday's RAS N2k2 race is going to be a real humdinger! > > Got on Eldred's server (thanx Eldred!) for a 17lap fixed setup race at > CocaCola. Who joins in? DGF (among others). There was a real battle > going on for the lead, and at one point we were door to door for about 5 > laps straight. We fell in line again & drafted for about another 2 > laps. Going into 3, I got another good run on him & slipped by on the > inside just before turn-in. Having to lift slightly so as not to wash > up into him, he gets beside me again by exit in T4, and we spent another > 2 laps door to door. With about 5 laps to go though, I get disco'd & > that was it. :-) > > -- > > Fester > > "Beware the leader who bangs the drums of war in order to whip the > citizenry into a patriotic fervor, for patriotism is indeed a > double-edged sword. It both emboldens the blood, just as it narrows the > mind. And when the drums of war have reached a fever pitch and the > blood boils with hate and the mind has closed, the leader will have no > need in seizing the rights of the citizenry. Rather, the citizenry, > infused with fear and blinded by patriotism, will offer up all of their > rights unto the leader and gladly so. How do I know? For this is what I > have done. And I am Caesar." -- Julius Caesar > >

I had a ping of 83 and a quality of 100. I'm on Comcast cable in Southern NJ. David F Fisher "Andre Warringa" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> On Wed, 13 Mar 2002 13:30:27 GMT, Uncle Fester <[email hidden]> > wrote: > > > > >...Sunday's RAS N2k2 race is going to be a real humdinger! > > Two more days before my official copy arrives.. > Two looong days :) > Shame about the disco though.. how was the ping to Eldred's servers? > What kind of connection do you have? > > Andre >

Most likely you got disco'd because of Comcast. I'm in Ann Arbor, and the service there just freaking disappears every once in a while. Just curious, were you on Mediaone or AT&T before you got Comcrapped? "Uncle Fester" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Andre Warringa wrote: > > On Wed, 13 Mar 2002 13:30:27 GMT, Uncle Fester<[email hidden]>

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> > wrote: > > > > > >>...Sunday's RAS N2k2 race is going to be a real humdinger! > > > > > > Two more days before my official copy arrives.. > > Two looong days :) > > Shame about the disco though.. how was the ping to Eldred's servers? > > What kind of connection do you have? > > > > Andre > > > I've got cable. As normal, I was also d/ling files from BearShare at > the same time, & my ping was about 50. Once I was disco'd, I could no > longer ping Eldred's server at all. After the race, I was talking

with > both DGF & Jason Moyer in the lobby. They were able to ping Eldred's > server & were getting ready for their own race. Funny thing about it > is, I'm not very far away at all from the server. 25 miles tops.I've > never had that before, even with hosts all over the world! Oh well,it > was GREAT fun while it lasted & that's what counts. Thanx againEldred!

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> :-) > > -- > > Fester > > "Beware the leader who bangs the drums of war in order to whip the > citizenry into a patriotic fervor, for patriotism is indeed a > double-edged sword. It both emboldens the blood, just as it narrows

the > mind. And when the drums of war have reached a fever pitch and the > blood boils with hate and the mind has closed, the leader will have no > need in seizing the rights of the citizenry. Rather, the citizenry, > infused with fear and blinded by patriotism, will offer up all oftheir > rights unto the leader and gladly so. How do I know? For this is whatI > have done. And I am Caesar." -- Julius Caesar >

In article <CrPj8.67846$[email hidden]>, "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> writes: >You lost your nerve and disconnected. :-) >Hehe... >Yea, that was a lot of fun going door to door, especially at that track >because it's not easy to hold a tight line through the turns at that speed. >That little dip on entry can cause problems. > >Not sure what caused you and the other driver to be disco'd at the same >moment, yet I was able to go on. I was looking forward to the finish. Who was the other driver? I wonder what's going on here... :( BTW, did you guys decide on the track(s) to run Sunday yet? I've only turned laps at a couple - I'd hate to screw up the racing for everyone else because I couldn't keep the thing between the walls... Eldred -- Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPLRank - under construction... Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

In article <[email hidden]>, Uncle Fester <[email hidden]> writes: >Eldred's are located in Ann Arbor, MI, I believe. I don't know where >the servers are that DGF is supposed to be renting though. Ann Arbor is correct. Eldred -- Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPLRank - under construction... Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

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>I've got cable. As normal, I was also d/ling files from BearShare at >the same time, & my ping was about 50. Once I was disco'd, I could no >longer ping Eldred's server at all. After the race, I was talking with >both DGF & Jason Moyer in the lobby. They were able to ping Eldred's >server & were getting ready for their own race. Funny thing about it >is, I'm not very far away at all from the server. 25 miles tops. I've >never had that before, even with hosts all over the world! Oh well, it >was GREAT fun while it lasted & that's what counts. Thanx again Eldred!

You're welcome! BTW, it's running again tonight if you weren't aware...<g> If you have any more problems, let me know. There are maybe 3 or 4 drivers who connect in GPL, and also have problems. Everyone else has a GREAT connection. Maybe there's some common element among the few that DO have problems... Eldred -- Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPLRank - under construction... Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

writes: Ann Arbor is correct. Eldred -- Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPLRank - under construction... Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

"EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > In article <CrPj8.67846$[email hidden]>, "David G > Fisher" <[email hidden]> writes: > >Not sure what caused you and the other driver to be disco'd at the same > >moment, yet I was able to go on. I was looking forward to the finish. > > Who was the other driver? I wonder what's going on here... :( I don't know who he was. He wasn't from r.a.s. I'm sure. > BTW, did you guys decide on the track(s) to run Sunday yet? I've onlyturned > laps at a couple - I'd hate to screw up the racing for everyone elsebecause I > couldn't keep the thing between the walls... Daytona is one. We should figure out what the second one will be right away so we know what to practice. I was also wondering about the damage setting. Would moderate damage be a good idea? Since this is a sort of 'special' event, it would be a shame if some drivers were eliminated (especially early on) in a wreck through no fault of their own. Also, if a number of cars get body damage, is the frame rate slow down effect going to kick in and ruin the race? A moderate damage setting might eliminate both problems but still force people to drive realistically. Do we even consider adding AI cars if the turn out isn't high enough? Just a thought. David G Fisher

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> Eldred > -- > Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 > Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett > GPLRank - under construction... > > Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats

you > with experience... > Remove SPAM-OFF to reply. >

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> > In article <CrPj8.67846$[email hidden]>, "David G > Fisher" <[email hidden]> writes: > > >You lost your nerve and disconnected. :-) > > > Hehe... > > >Yea, that was a lot of fun going door to door, especially at that track > >because it's not easy to hold a tight line through the turns at that speed. > >That little dip on entry can cause problems. > > > >Not sure what caused you and the other driver to be disco'd at the same > >moment, yet I was able to go on. I was looking forward to the finish. > > Who was the other driver? I wonder what's going on here... :( > > BTW, did you guys decide on the track(s) to run Sunday yet? I've only turned > laps at a couple - I'd hate to screw up the racing for everyone else because I > couldn't keep the thing between the walls... > > Eldred

Are you guys planning on passwording this race, or is it open to everyone? Gary

David G Fisher wrote: > I cancelled that server rental because Eldred said he'd host the race. He > set up the server last night so we could test it out. Cool. Glad I found out, I would have been looking for a race that wasn't there. Or was that in the Master Gameplan? :-P -- Fester "Beware the leader who bangs the drums of war in order to whip the citizenry into a patriotic fervor, for patriotism is indeed a double-edged sword. It both emboldens the blood, just as it narrows the mind. And when the drums of war have reached a fever pitch and the blood boils with hate and the mind has closed, the leader will have no need in seizing the rights of the citizenry. Rather, the citizenry, infused with fear and blinded by patriotism, will offer up all of their rights unto the leader and gladly so. How do I know? For this is what I have done. And I am Caesar." -- Julius Caesar

John Pancoast wrote: > Actual physical location has very little effect on conn quality. > > I've known people who are within blocks of a server have terrible conns, > while others across country, have great ones. > > There's just to many other factors involved. Very true. The irony just got me was all. Here I've raced even with people in Great Britan for chrissakes with no problem, but just down the block-nada. Cracked me up. :-) -- Fester "Beware the leader who bangs the drums of war in order to whip the citizenry into a patriotic fervor, for patriotism is indeed a double-edged sword. It both emboldens the blood, just as it narrows the mind. And when the drums of war have reached a fever pitch and the blood boils with hate and the mind has closed, the leader will have no need in seizing the rights of the citizenry. Rather, the citizenry, infused with fear and blinded by patriotism, will offer up all of their rights unto the leader and gladly so. How do I know? For this is what I have done. And I am Caesar." -- Julius Caesar

Haqsau wrote: > Most likely you got disco'd because of Comcast. I'm in Ann Arbor, and > the service there just freaking disappears every once in a while. Just > curious, were you on Mediaone or AT&T before you got Comcrapped? I'm sure it was related to Comcast in one form or another, although my connection to the net itself didn't drop. I could still ping the other races & BearShare was still faithfully d/ling away. I guess one of their routers along the path between me & Eldred's machine must have taken a dump. Before Comcast I was on @Home. -- Fester "Beware the leader who bangs the drums of war in order to whip the citizenry into a patriotic fervor, for patriotism is indeed a double-edged sword. It both emboldens the blood, just as it narrows the mind. And when the drums of war have reached a fever pitch and the blood boils with hate and the mind has closed, the leader will have no need in seizing the rights of the citizenry. Rather, the citizenry, infused with fear and blinded by patriotism, will offer up all of their rights unto the leader and gladly so. How do I know? For this is what I have done. And I am Caesar." -- Julius Caesar

David G Fisher wrote: > You lost your nerve and disconnected. :-) You wish, pal. :-) > Yea, that was a lot of fun going door to door, especially at that track > because it's not easy to hold a tight line through the turns at that speed. > That little dip on entry can cause problems. Yeah buddy. I was playing hell not to wash up into you. That's how you stayed with me in the turns. The low line like that is hard on tire temps/wear too. The amount of fun was incredible though. I was wondering when/how it was gonna end. <g> > Not sure what caused you and the other driver to be disco'd at the same > moment, yet I was able to go on. I was looking forward to the finish. I don't know what happened, but I bet you were behind it. :-P -- Fester "Beware the leader who bangs the drums of war in order to whip the citizenry into a patriotic fervor, for patriotism is indeed a double-edged sword. It both emboldens the blood, just as it narrows the mind. And when the drums of war have reached a fever pitch and the blood boils with hate and the mind has closed, the leader will have no need in seizing the rights of the citizenry. Rather, the citizenry, infused with fear and blinded by patriotism, will offer up all of their rights unto the leader and gladly so. How do I know? For this is what I have done. And I am Caesar." -- Julius Caesar

"Gary Stephenson" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Are you guys planning on passwording this race, or is it open to > everyone? > > Gary > It's for everyone here at r.a.s. It'll have a password and I'd assume be posted here before the race (maybe day before?). It's Eldred's server so he'll have to decide what it is and when it's posted. David G Fisher

Uncle Fester <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>... > I've got cable. As normal, I was also d/ling files from BearShare at > the same time, & my ping was about 50. Once I was disco'd, I could no > longer ping Eldred's server at all. After the race, I was talking with > both DGF & Jason Moyer in the lobby. I'd like to say I'm proud to have taken out 2 of the 4 other drivers in warp-crashes and I will be continuing to drive the #20 on Sunday in order to feel properly inspired to take out as many people as possible. Also, I'd like to put in my vote for Daytona/Pocono and fast setups if we go fixed. I realized the other night I had never driven an easy setup before and I kept steering the car into the wall exiting the turns because I kept wanting to countersteer. =) Jason

"Uncle Fester" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > David G Fisher wrote: > > I cancelled that server rental because Eldred said he'd host the race.He > > set up the server last night so we could test it out. > > > Cool. Glad I found out, I would have been looking for a race that > wasn't there. Or was that in the Master Gameplan? :-P > No, I want as many people as possible to see my win. :-) David G Fisher

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> > Uncle Fester <[email hidden]> writes: > > > ...Sunday's RAS N2k2 race is going to be a real humdinger! > > > > Got on Eldred's server (thanx Eldred!) for a 17lap fixed setup race at > > CocaCola. Who joins in? DGF (among others). There was a real battle > > going on for the lead, and at one point we were door to door for about 5 > > laps straight. We fell in line again & drafted for about another 2 > > laps. Going into 3, I got another good run on him & slipped by on the > > inside just before turn-in. Having to lift slightly so as not to wash > > up into him, he gets beside me again by exit in T4, and we spent another > > 2 laps door to door. With about 5 laps to go though, I get disco'd & > > that was it. :-) > > Good to see that a long longed for r.a.s. server is coming up for > nascar racing aswell. Now, if that game would be released over here...

Couple of more days Olav...:-) Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy "The Pits" http://www.theuspits.com/ "Animation isn't the illusion of life; it is life" --Chuck Jones (1912-2002)--

In article <[email hidden]>, Gary Stephenson <[email hidden]> writes: >Are you guys planning on passwording this race, or is it open to >everyone? Probably, but I don't know how many people would join from here. I guess as long as we have more than 10 or 15 guys, it should still be a good race? Eldred -- Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPLRank - under construction... Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

In article <mTUj8.83091$[email hidden]>, "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> writes: >> Who was the other driver? I wonder what's going on here... :( > >I don't know who he was. He wasn't from r.a.s. I'm sure. > He *had* to be - the server was passworded, remember?

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>> BTW, did you guys decide on the track(s) to run Sunday yet? I've only >turned >> laps at a couple - I'd hate to screw up the racing for everyone else >because I >> couldn't keep the thing between the walls... > >Daytona is one. We should figure out what the second one will be right away >so we know what to practice.

How about Pocono?<g>

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> >I was also wondering about the damage setting. Would moderate damage be a >good idea? Since this is a sort of 'special' event, it would be a shame if >some drivers were eliminated (especially early on) in a wreck through no >fault of their own. Also, if a number of cars get body damage, is the frame >rate slow down effect going to kick in and ruin the race? A moderate damage >setting might eliminate both problems but still force people to drive >realistically. > >Do we even consider adding AI cars if the turn out isn't high enough? Just a >thought.

Good ideas... Eldred -- Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPLRank - under construction... Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden] (jason moyer) writes: >Also, I'd like to put in my vote for Daytona/Pocono and fast setups if >we go fixed. I realized the other night I had never driven an easy >setup before and I kept steering the car into the wall exiting the >turns because I kept wanting to countersteer. =) Yeah, I hadn't realized that it was locked on the easy setups until I read the chat logs the next day. I'm gonna be in trouble if we use the fast setup - the pull to the left screws me up. *Maybe* I can get enough practice in to get at least USED to it... Eldred -- Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPLRank - under construction... Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

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> In article <mTUj8.83091$[email hidden]>, "David G > Fisher" <[email hidden]> writes: > > >>>Who was the other driver? I wonder what's going on here... :( >> >>I don't know who he was. He wasn't from r.a.s. I'm sure. >> > > > He *had* to be - the server was passworded, remember?

I read that it was supposed to be. But the password column in the lobby didn't reflect that, & I didn't enter a password before I entered. May want to double check the settings again before Sunday. -- Fester "Beware the leader who bangs the drums of war in order to whip the citizenry into a patriotic fervor, for patriotism is indeed a double-edged sword. It both emboldens the blood, just as it narrows the mind. And when the drums of war have reached a fever pitch and the blood boils with hate and the mind has closed, the leader will have no need in seizing the rights of the citizenry. Rather, the citizenry, infused with fear and blinded by patriotism, will offer up all of their rights unto the leader and gladly so. How do I know? For this is what I have done. And I am Caesar." -- Julius Caesar

How can one be sure that he wasn't from ras? Think it's safe to say, the lurkers FAR outweigh the posters. -John "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:mTUj8.83091$[email hidden]... ... :(

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> > I don't know who he was. He wasn't from r.a.s. I'm sure. > > > BTW, did you guys decide on the track(s) to run Sunday yet? I've only > turned > > laps at a couple - I'd hate to screw up the racing for everyone else > because I > > couldn't keep the thing between the walls... > > Daytona is one. We should figure out what the second one will be right

away > so we know what to practice. > > I was also wondering about the damage setting. Would moderate damage be a > good idea? Since this is a sort of 'special' event, it would be a shame if > some drivers were eliminated (especially early on) in a wreck through no > fault of their own. Also, if a number of cars get body damage, is theframe > rate slow down effect going to kick in and ruin the race? A moderatedamage > setting might eliminate both problems but still force people to drive > realistically. > > Do we even consider adding AI cars if the turn out isn't high enough? Justa

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> thought. > > David G Fisher > > > Eldred > > -- > > Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 > > Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett > > GPLRank - under construction... > > > > Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats > you > > with experience... > > Remove SPAM-OFF to reply. > > > >

Yep; IMO, we'd need at least that many to make it fun........and at least that many to STAY in that race. -John "EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > In article <[email hidden]>, Gary Stephenson<[email hidden]> > writes: > > >Are you guys planning on passwording this race, or is it open to > >everyone? > > Probably, but I don't know how many people would join from here. I guessas

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> long as we have more than 10 or 15 guys, it should still be a good race? > > Eldred > -- > Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 > Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett > GPLRank - under construction... > > Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats

you > with experience... > Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

"EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> In article <mTUj8.83091$[email hidden]>, "David G > Fisher" <[email hidden]> writes: > > >> Who was the other driver? I wonder what's going on here... :( > > > >I don't know who he was. He wasn't from r.a.s. I'm sure. > > > > He *had* to be - the server was passworded, remember?

I haven't had to enter a password yet. David G Fisher

"John Pancoast" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > How can one be sure that he wasn't from ras? Think it's safe to say,the > lurkers FAR outweigh the posters. His anme was Jim Yauch. I guess it's possible he's posted or only lurks here, but I'm fairly positive I've never seen that name. Also, since Eldred's servers haven't required a password..... David G Fisher

"David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<Nk7k8.459876$[email hidden]>... > His anme was Jim Yauch. I guess it's possible he's posted or only lurks > here, but I'm fairly positive I've never seen that name. Also, since > Eldred's servers haven't required a password..... Jim is probably a lurker here. He actually races in my OSCAR division and is both a gentleman and talented racer. Jason

[email hidden] (EldredP) wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>... > Yeah, I hadn't realized that it was locked on the easy setups until I read the > chat logs the next day. I'm gonna be in trouble if we use the fast setup - the > pull to the left screws me up. *Maybe* I can get enough practice in to get at > least USED to it... Well...the other option would be to run with open setups, but that would be less likely to produce a close IROC-like race... But yeah, man. Don't even waste your time with the easy/intermediate setups once you've gotten to the point where you can keep your car on the track. If you want to be fast, you've got to deal with the pull. =( Jason

>His anme was Jim Yauch. I guess it's possible he's posted or only lurks >here, but I'm fairly positive I've never seen that name. Also, since >Eldred's servers haven't required a password..... The first server was *supposed* to. Damn...I got some more tweaking(and learning) to do, I guess. Eldred -- Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPLRank - under construction... Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

>> He *had* to be - the server was passworded, remember? > >I haven't had to enter a password yet. Yeah, I just discovered that tonight... :( Eldred -- Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPLRank - under construction... Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

>Well...the other option would be to run with open setups, but that >would be less likely to produce a close IROC-like race... >Agreed. >But yeah, man. Don't even waste your time with the easy/intermediate >setups once you've gotten to the point where you can keep your car on >the track. If you want to be fast, you've got to deal with the pull. >=( Currently, I'm zigzagging down the straights. I canNOT run in a pack if I'm doing this. You guys with FF wheels apparently have it a bit easier since you're not fighting a centering force. This is gonna be TOUGH... Eldred -- Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPLRank - under construction... Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

Eldred you sound just like Larry. I've run FF and non FF wheels for the past year and really it doesn't make much difference. You get some 'fight' from the FF wheel, but the spring-tension in the non FF wheel provides the same balancing force. dave henrie "EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> >Well...the other option would be to run with open setups, but that > >would be less likely to produce a close IROC-like race... > > > Agreed. > > >But yeah, man. Don't even waste your time with the easy/intermediate > >setups once you've gotten to the point where you can keep your car on > >the track. If you want to be fast, you've got to deal with the pull. > >=( > > Currently, I'm zigzagging down the straights. I canNOT run in a pack if

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> doing this. You guys with FF wheels apparently have it a bit easier since > you're not fighting a centering force. This is gonna be TOUGH... > > Eldred > -- > Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 > Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett > GPLRank - under construction... > > Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats

you > with experience... > Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

I'm for keeping the fixed, fast setup myself fwiw. -John "EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> >Well...the other option would be to run with open setups, but that > >would be less likely to produce a close IROC-like race... > > > Agreed. > > >But yeah, man. Don't even waste your time with the easy/intermediate > >setups once you've gotten to the point where you can keep your car on > >the track. If you want to be fast, you've got to deal with the pull. > >=( > > Currently, I'm zigzagging down the straights. I canNOT run in a pack if

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> doing this. You guys with FF wheels apparently have it a bit easier since > you're not fighting a centering force. This is gonna be TOUGH... > > Eldred > -- > Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 > Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett > GPLRank - under construction... > > Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats

you > with experience... > Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

I have a non-FF wheel, that really doesn't matter. Try decreasing your linearity to around 50%. That way, if you saw the wheel, it has less affect. -John "EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> >Well...the other option would be to run with open setups, but that > >would be less likely to produce a close IROC-like race... > > > Agreed. > > >But yeah, man. Don't even waste your time with the easy/intermediate > >setups once you've gotten to the point where you can keep your car on > >the track. If you want to be fast, you've got to deal with the pull. > >=( > > Currently, I'm zigzagging down the straights. I canNOT run in a pack if

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> doing this. You guys with FF wheels apparently have it a bit easier since > you're not fighting a centering force. This is gonna be TOUGH... > > Eldred > -- > Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 > Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett > GPLRank - under construction... > > Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats

you > with experience... > Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

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> > In article <[email hidden]>, > [email hidden] (jason moyer) writes: > > >Also, I'd like to put in my vote for Daytona/Pocono and fast setups if > >we go fixed. I realized the other night I had never driven an easy > >setup before and I kept steering the car into the wall exiting the > >turns because I kept wanting to countersteer. =) > > Yeah, I hadn't realized that it was locked on the easy setups until I read the > chat logs the next day. I'm gonna be in trouble if we use the fast setup - the > pull to the left screws me up. *Maybe* I can get enough practice in to get at > least USED to it... > > Eldred

That explains it! I logged into the Daytona server and ran some practice laps tonight. YIKES! I'm not used to the car pulling towards the outside wall...I thought I was at Darlington! Gary

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> > >Well...the other option would be to run with open setups, but that > >would be less likely to produce a close IROC-like race... > > > Agreed. > > >But yeah, man. Don't even waste your time with the easy/intermediate > >setups once you've gotten to the point where you can keep your car on > >the track. If you want to be fast, you've got to deal with the pull. > >=( > > Currently, I'm zigzagging down the straights. I canNOT run in a pack if I'm > doing this. You guys with FF wheels apparently have it a bit easier since > you're not fighting a centering force. This is gonna be TOUGH... > > Eldred

Personally, I found it extremely hard to keep the car in line going down the straights when I ran some laps on your Daytona server tonight, especially down the front straight. With the fast setups, I'm stable on the straights, but have a hard time holding my line through the turns. Weird, eh? Gary

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> > In article <mTUj8.83091$[email hidden]>, "David G > Fisher" <[email hidden]> writes: > > >> Who was the other driver? I wonder what's going on here... :( > > > >I don't know who he was. He wasn't from r.a.s. I'm sure. > > > > He *had* to be - the server was passworded, remember? > > >> BTW, did you guys decide on the track(s) to run Sunday yet? I've only > >turned > >> laps at a couple - I'd hate to screw up the racing for everyone else > >because I > >> couldn't keep the thing between the walls... > > > >Daytona is one. We should figure out what the second one will be right away > >so we know what to practice. > > How about Pocono?<g>

Ohhh...I love Pocono! At least in N4 I love Pocono. I loved Las Vegas in N4 too, but hate it in NR2002. I better run some laps and see if the same thing happens. Gary

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>>> He *had* to be - the server was passworded, remember? >> >>I haven't had to enter a password yet. > >Yeah, I just discovered that tonight... :( > >Eldred

CRAP! N2002 would be released in Holland today, but it's delayed untill coming Tuesday.. so no N2002 race for me Sunday :-/ Andre

John, just going by my own experience, I think you are right about the lurkers. Been a "lurker" since late '97 (well, posted maybe 5-6 times since then), but felt the need to post here 'cause I would rather the race would stay PW'd (my brief foray on Sierra's servers since getting N2002 haven't been too pleasant) Was known on TEN as "RedFarmer", & was in a couple of leagues, CFRL & OSCAR. Then TEN died, & I changed jobs & didn't have as much free time so kinda drifted away from simracing, but still lurked around here at times. I bought N3, but it (multiplayer without TEN & NROS) just wasn't fun anymore. GPL & VROC was fun, but I didn't have the time for the steep learning curve needed to master GPL. I tried the demo of N4 early on, & agreed with some here that it was a bit too "skittish" for close online racing without that dreaded "steep learning curve", & for the first time I did not buy a Papy product. Read about the N2002 demo here, tried it, & was immediately hooked... again. Didn't mean to get so long winded, just wanted to let you all know that if lurkers are welcome, I'll be there. Brian PS.... CART!!!!!!!!!!! "John Pancoast" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > How can one be sure that he wasn't from ras? Think it's safe to say,the

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> lurkers FAR outweigh the posters. > > -John > > > "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:mTUj8.83091$[email hidden]... > ... :( > > > > I don't know who he was. He wasn't from r.a.s. I'm sure. > > > > > BTW, did you guys decide on the track(s) to run Sunday yet? I've only > > turned > > > laps at a couple - I'd hate to screw up the racing for everyone else > > because I > > > couldn't keep the thing between the walls... > > > > Daytona is one. We should figure out what the second one will be right > away > > so we know what to practice. > > > > I was also wondering about the damage setting. Would moderate damage be

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> > some drivers were eliminated (especially early on) in a wreck through no > > fault of their own. Also, if a number of cars get body damage, is the > frame > > rate slow down effect going to kick in and ruin the race? A moderate > damage > > setting might eliminate both problems but still force people to drive > > realistically. > > > > Do we even consider adding AI cars if the turn out isn't high enough?

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In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden] (Andre Warringa) writes: >CRAP! N2002 would be released in Holland today, but it's delayed >untill coming Tuesday.. so no N2002 race for me Sunday :-/ S'ok, Andre - maybe I'll run it again NEXT week... Eldred -- Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPLRank - under construction... Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

In article <52pk8.42973$af7.36606@rwcrnsc53>, "B Farmer" <[email hidden]> writes: >Didn't mean to get so long winded, just wanted to let you all know that if >lurkers are welcome, I'll be there. Yes, lurkers are welcome. I *think* the server is passworded correctly now - "ras" Eldred -- Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPLRank - under construction... Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

In article <[email hidden]>, Gary Stephenson <[email hidden]> writes: >Personally, I found it extremely hard to keep the car in line going down >the straights when I ran some laps on your Daytona server tonight, >especially down the front straight. With the fast setups, I'm stable on >the straights, but have a hard time holding my line through the turns. >Weird, eh? I ran some laps last night with DGF and Fester at Pocono. I discovered that when I hit the brakes for the corner, the car slews to the right. I kept hitting the wall for a few laps. It got better when the tires warmed up, but it's HELL on cold tires... Eldred -- Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPLRank - under construction... Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

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> In article <52pk8.42973$af7.36606@rwcrnsc53>, "B Farmer" <[email hidden]> > writes: > > >>Didn't mean to get so long winded, just wanted to let you all know that if >>lurkers are welcome, I'll be there. > > > Yes, lurkers are welcome. I *think* the server is passworded correctly now - > "ras"

Just did a quick check- it's not passworded. You know what... I wonder if an Open server can *be* passworded? -- Fester "Beware the leader who bangs the drums of war in order to whip the citizenry into a patriotic fervor, for patriotism is indeed a double-edged sword. It both emboldens the blood, just as it narrows the mind. And when the drums of war have reached a fever pitch and the blood boils with hate and the mind has closed, the leader will have no need in seizing the rights of the citizenry. Rather, the citizenry, infused with fear and blinded by patriotism, will offer up all of their rights unto the leader and gladly so. How do I know? For this is what I have done. And I am Caesar." -- Julius Caesar

In article <[email hidden]>, Uncle Fester <[email hidden]> writes: >Just did a quick check- it's not passworded. You know what... I wonder >if an Open server can *be* passworded? I did a bit more reading of text files...I don't think it CAN be... A dedicated server can be. Well, it might be okay for an Open server... Eldred -- Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPLRank - under construction... Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

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> In article <[email hidden]>, Uncle Fester <[email hidden]> > writes: > > >Just did a quick check- it's not passworded. You know what... I wonder > >if an Open server can *be* passworded? > > I did a bit more reading of text files...I don't think it CAN be... A > dedicated server can be. Well, it might be okay for an Open server... > > Eldred >

Hey Eldred, are you gonna be running any weekend 100% races on your server like you did for GPL? -- ========================================================= Redneck Techno-Biker & "programming deity" http://www.paddedwall.org/john DeMONS/1 for Nascar Racing 3 & Nascar Legends http://www.paddedwall.org/demons DeMONS/2 for Nascar Racing 4 and 2002 Season (in development) http://www.paddedwall.org/demons2 Barbarian Diecast Collector (460+ cars and counting) http://www.paddedwall.org/diecast If you want to send me email, go to the first URL shown above & click "Send Me Mail" in the contents frame. =========================================================

In article <[email hidden]>, John Simmons <[email hidden]> writes: >Hey Eldred, are you gonna be running any weekend 100% races on your >server like you did for GPL? If there's a 'market' for it, maybe...<g> Eldred -- Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPLRank - under construction... Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

[email hidden] (EldredP) wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>... > I did a bit more reading of text files...I don't think it CAN be... A > dedicated server can be. Well, it might be okay for an Open server... I'm not sure I understand why you would run a password-protected open server when you could just set the entry password and boss password to the same thing? Jason

In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden] (jason moyer) writes:

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>[email hidden] (EldredP) wrote in message >news:<[email hidden]>... > >> I did a bit more reading of text files...I don't think it CAN be... A >> dedicated server can be. Well, it might be okay for an Open server... > >I'm not sure I understand why you would run a password-protected open >server when you could just set the entry password and boss password to >the same thing?

Because the server is remote, and there was no way to have it keep running, but be available to ras... I hadn't tried hacking the .ini files yet. Eldred -- Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPLRank - under construction... Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

If you did it that way then everyone who connected would be a boss. - Eric "jason moyer" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > [email hidden] (EldredP) wrote in messagenews:<[email hidden]>... > I'm not sure I understand why you would run a password-protected open > server when you could just set the entry password and boss password to > the same thing?