Rally Trophy impossible to control

Sorry if this has been asked before, but why the hell is RT to freakin hard to control? The RWD cars are just about impossible to keep from spinning. I just tried the Abarth and I literally couldn't make a turn without spinning. Is there a secret? What the hell am I doing wrong? Todd -- __________________________ Todd Walker http://twalker.d2g.com __________________________

"Todd Walker" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Sorry if this has been asked before, but why the hell is RT to freakin > hard to control? The RWD cars are just about impossible to keep from > spinning. I just tried the Abarth and I literally couldn't make a turn > without spinning. Is there a secret? What the hell am I doing wrong? > > Todd Drive the Minicooper, most of the other cars are fishtailing tanks. I must say I'm disappointed in this game after all the Euros posting here saying that it is the GPL of rally games. I guess I had higher expectations. Frame rates are sometimes fine and at other times stutters for no apparent reason. Lifting off the gas pedal completely causes the wheel to disconnect which means I plow into the corners more than I should. Plus this game causes my PC to get an "invalid page fault" almost evertime I exit it. Now I kow why they are trying to dump it for only $35.00 CAD at EB, most new games cost almost double that. I think I will return it to EB. The blow settings for the "input.ini" file may help you. You will find this file in the "Data\Settings" folder. # How many control events are buffered BufferSize = 8; #--------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- # Converts analog steering to digital # (for gamepads that are reported as analog, but give nearly digital feedback) ForceDigitalSteering = 0; #--------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- # Minimum & maximum values for input devices AxisMinValue = -1000; AxisMaxValue = 1000; #--------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- # Values for exponential functions # ( 1.0 = no effect, bigger values give less sensitivity, smaller more) SteeringExponent = 1.0; ThrottleExponent = 1.0; BrakeExponent = 1.5; #--------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- # Set this to 1 if you want to use following custom ranges instead of detected values OverrideRanges = 1; #--------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- # Steering input range # (100% left, 100% right) AnalogXAxisRange = {-1000, 1000}; # (often brake) AnalogYAxisRange = { 1000,-1000}; # (often acceleration) AnalogZAxisRange = { 1000,-1000}; # Rotational AnalogRXAxisRange = { 1000, -1000}; AnalogRYAxisRange = { 1000, -1000}; # (often a rudded control) AnalogRZAxisRange = { 1000, -1000}; #--------------------------------------------------------------------------- --

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> > "Todd Walker" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > Sorry if this has been asked before, but why the hell is RT to freakin > > hard to control? The RWD cars are just about impossible to keep from > > spinning. I just tried the Abarth and I literally couldn't make a turn > > without spinning. Is there a secret? What the hell am I doing wrong? > > > > Todd > > Drive the Minicooper, most of the other cars are fishtailing tanks. I must > say I'm disappointed in this game after all the Euros posting here saying > that it is the GPL of rally games. I guess I had higher expectations. Frame > rates are sometimes fine and at other times stutters for no apparent reason. > Lifting off the gas pedal completely causes the wheel to disconnect which > means I plow into the corners more than I should. Plus this game causes my > PC to get an "invalid page fault" almost evertime I exit it. Now I kow why > they are trying to dump it for only $35.00 CAD at EB, most new games cost > almost double that. I think I will return it to EB. The blow settings for > the "input.ini" file may help you. You will find this file in the > "Data\Settings" folder.

Thanks Lane. I found those very settings last night in a message in the forum at Jowood's site. I haven't tried them yet though. I must say that so far I am a bit disappointed in it as well. Maybe if I could control the damn car I would enjoy it more. Hopefully my GeForce 3 that will be here today will help too :-) Thanks for your help Todd -- __________________________ Todd Walker http://twalker.d2g.com __________________________

I assume you have the v1.01 patch installed? I don't find the rear wheel drive cars to be impossible to drive, although the stratos is pretty damn hard :) I did the expert championship in the stratos, and it did take a lot of practice. The only advice I can really give you for the RWD cars is to start out in novice and drive a rear wheel drive car (don't use a mini or anything), and then move up to a RWD car in intermediate. Then by the time you hit expert (where all the cars are rwd), you'll be used to how a RWD car sort of acts. The steering is the least of your worries really.. it's the gas and the break pedal that you have to be really cautious about. When I drive a FWD car, like the Mini... I control the car, and throw it around as much as possible. When I drive the Stratos, it is more incontrol of itself.. I just baby it through corners :) Mike http://mikebeauchamp.com "Todd Walker" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> Sorry if this has been asked before, but why the hell is RT to freakin > hard to control? The RWD cars are just about impossible to keep from > spinning. I just tried the Abarth and I literally couldn't make a turn > without spinning. Is there a secret? What the hell am I doing wrong? > > Todd > > -- > __________________________ > Todd Walker > http://twalker.d2g.com > __________________________

>"Mike Beauchamp" <[email hidden]> wrote > The steering is the least of your worries really.. it's the gas and the > break pedal that you have to be really cautious about. When I drive a FWD > car, like the Mini... I control the car, and throw it around as much as > possible. When I drive the Stratos, it is more incontrol of itself.. I agree, I find the Stratos a very interesting car, because it's very rare that I'm 100% on the gas pedal when I race it. -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- http://www.ymenard.8m.com/ -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimato Dominguez Corporation - helping America into the New World...

"Mike Beauchamp" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:zfbk8.6705$[email hidden]... >(don't use a mini or anything There's a reason the Mini is such a legendary car. I'm sticking with it. :-)

"ymenard" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:qadk8.21169$[email hidden]... > >"Mike Beauchamp" <[email hidden]> wrote > > The steering is the least of your worries really.. it's the gas and the > > break pedal that you have to be really cautious about. When I drive aFWD > > car, like the Mini... I control the car, and throw it around as much as > > possible. When I drive the Stratos, it is more incontrol of itself.. > > > I agree, I find the Stratos a very interesting car, because it's very rare > that I'm 100% on the gas pedal when I race it. If you can hang on to the Stratos you could win many on-line races.

Agreed, the mini is fun as hell to drive. Especially the Factory green one that you unlock. Mike http://mikebeauchamp.com "lane" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:a6rn9v$gjj6k$[email hidden]... > > "Mike Beauchamp" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:zfbk8.6705$[email hidden]... > >(don't use a mini or anything > > There's a reason the Mini is such a legendary car. I'm sticking with it.:-) > >

Driving the stratos in the Expert mode rally, I just made sure the front end was pointing the right way, and never lost a single stage. But on about 2-3 of the stages, the stratos did get the best of me. Mike http://mikebeauchamp.com "David L. Cook" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:Koek8.16442$[email hidden]... > "ymenard" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:qadk8.21169$[email hidden]... > > >"Mike Beauchamp" <[email hidden]> wrote > > > The steering is the least of your worries really.. it's the gas andthe > > > break pedal that you have to be really cautious about. When I drive a > FWD > > > car, like the Mini... I control the car, and throw it around as muchas > > > possible. When I drive the Stratos, it is more incontrol of itself.. > > > > > > I agree, I find the Stratos a very interesting car, because it's veryrare > > that I'm 100% on the gas pedal when I race it. > > If you can hang on to the Stratos you could win many on-line races. > >

"lane" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<a6rn9v$gjj6k$[email hidden]>... > "Mike Beauchamp" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:zfbk8.6705$[email hidden]... > >(don't use a mini or anything > > There's a reason the Mini is such a legendary car. I'm sticking with it. :-) Ouch. Minis are slooooow and I think the Lancia Fulva and Opel Kadett are a million times easier to drive on the limit depending on the characteristics of the course. I'm fast everywhere with the Fulva and it's imho the easiest car in the game to drive overall, but for some reason I find the Kadett seems to work well on the high-speed Swiss corners. So far with a Microsoft Sidewinder wheel, no deadzone, and full sensitivity, I'm finding every car to be a joy to drive, and the detail of the driving model (in the patched version) to be easily on par with GPL. I had some problems with my pedals acting like on/off switches at first, until I realized the problem was caused by changes I had made using dxtweak in order to get realistic pedal movement in F1 2001. It's amazing how much personality each car has, and while the stages are short they're much better imho than those in Rally Masters and Colin McRae 2.0. More atmosphere for starters, and more variety in terms of challenges (as opposed to the standard 'let's throw as many similar curves at the player as we possible can'). I would love to drive these cars on the Rally Championship 2000 stages, tho. I hope Bugbear takes what they've learned making and patching RT and puts out another top notch sim. Assuming Papy doesn't throw their hand in the rally sim genre, Bugbear may be our only hope. Jason

Wow Im having some fun with this one....throwing it around. Just have to get used to the deadly understeer when you let off the gas... PAPA DOC

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>Sorry if this has been asked before, but why the hell is RT to freakin >hard to control? The RWD cars are just about impossible to keep from >spinning. I just tried the Abarth and I literally couldn't make a turn >without spinning. Is there a secret? What the hell am I doing wrong? > >Todd > >-- >__________________________ >Todd Walker >http://twalker.d2g.com >__________________________

Pierre PAPA DOC Legrand Never Forget Never Forgive September 11, 2001 www.papadoc.net Maj. Bryan Hilferty, a spokesman for the 10th Mountain Division:"If they want to bring in more people so we can kill them,We're happy to oblige."

"Mike Beauchamp" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:Sehk8.1314$[email hidden]... > Agreed, the mini is fun as hell to drive. Especially the Factory green one > that you unlock. How far do I have to get to unlock that one?

"Pierre Legrand" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... >Just have > to get used to the deadly understeer when you let off the gas... Quite a few people at a couple of web message boards are saying this is a bug and not how it should be. Physics are livley, but maybe a bit exagerrated? It's fun, but it ain't no GPL.

I think the understeer is a bit over done for sure....basically you cannot turn the Lancia Fulvia until its nearly stopped...when approaching the left turn on the first stage. PAPA DOC >Quite a few people at a couple of web message boards are saying this is a >bug and not how it should be. Physics are livley, but maybe a bit >exagerrated? It's fun, but it ain't no GPL. > > Pierre PAPA DOC Legrand Never Forget Never Forgive September 11, 2001 www.papadoc.net Maj. Bryan Hilferty, a spokesman for the 10th Mountain Division:"If they want to bring in more people so we can kill them,We're happy to oblige."

"Pierre Legrand" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > I think the understeer is a bit over done for sure....basically you > cannot turn the Lancia Fulvia until its nearly stopped...when > approaching the left turn on the first stage. > > PAPA DOC Yea, I find that true of all the cars. It feels like the wheel is disconnected when you completely lift off the gas. Try left foot braking to overcome it.

"Pierre Legrand" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > I think the understeer is a bit over done for sure....basically you > cannot turn the Lancia Fulvia until its nearly stopped...when > approaching the left turn on the first stage. > > PAPA DOC RT stutters just like IL-2 on occasion. How come you haven't mentioned it yet?Hehe....

I really havent noticed it....and the kind of burps or pauses I get in iL2 would be very noticable. PAPA DOC > >RT stutters just like IL-2 on occasion. How come you haven't mentioned it >yet?Hehe.... > > Pierre PAPA DOC Legrand Never Forget Never Forgive September 11, 2001 www.papadoc.net Maj. Bryan Hilferty, a spokesman for the 10th Mountain Division:"If they want to bring in more people so we can kill them,We're happy to oblige."

Adjust the steering controls...it will solve the problem. You are over-correcting because the default setting is some ridiculous, joystick-oriented non-linear setup. The cars are very easy to control if the controller is setup properly. This is no GPL. Marc "Todd Walker" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> Sorry if this has been asked before, but why the hell is RT to freakin > hard to control? The RWD cars are just about impossible to keep from > spinning. I just tried the Abarth and I literally couldn't make a turn > without spinning. Is there a secret? What the hell am I doing wrong? > > Todd > > -- > __________________________ > Todd Walker > http://twalker.d2g.com > __________________________

I'd assumed it was a pig to control because it was set up for a wheel! I use a (ff) joystick & pedals & thought the steering was just way to linear for a joystick. Solved it with the patch, setting steering & brake to 1.5. Agreed it's no GPL, though. I'd like to try these cars on a (smooth) tarmac circuit for a proper comparison. Malc. "Marc Collins" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:dRol8.4965$[email hidden]... > Adjust the steering controls...it will solve the problem. You are > over-correcting because the default setting is some ridiculous, > joystick-oriented non-linear setup. The cars are very easy to controlif

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> the controller is setup properly. This is no GPL. > > Marc > > "Todd Walker" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > Sorry if this has been asked before, but why the hell is RT to freakin > > hard to control? The RWD cars are just about impossible to keep from > > spinning. I just tried the Abarth and I literally couldn't make a turn > > without spinning. Is there a secret? What the hell am I doing wrong? > > > > Todd > > > > -- > > __________________________ > > Todd Walker > > http://twalker.d2g.com > > __________________________ > >

"Pierre Legrand" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > I really havent noticed it....and the kind of burps or pauses I get in > iL2 would be very noticable. > > PAPA DOC Well, many people have commented on it so it's not just me. Game will be playing fine and then all of a sudden it will start stuttering and frame rate goes to shit.

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> > "Pierre Legrand" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > I really havent noticed it....and the kind of burps or pauses I get in > > iL2 would be very noticable. > > > > PAPA DOC > > > Well, many people have commented on it so it's not just me. Game will be > playing fine and then all of a sudden it will start stuttering and frame > rate goes to shit. > > >

I have found that this occassionally happens when watching replays but never during the actual race. This is on my P3/1Ghz, GeForce3 Ti200, 256 megs RAM... -- __________________________ Todd Walker http://twalker.d2g.com __________________________

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> I'd assumed it was a pig to control because it was set up for a wheel! > > I use a (ff) joystick & pedals & thought the steering was just way to > linear for a joystick. Solved it with the patch, setting steering & brake > to 1.5. > > Agreed it's no GPL, though. I'd like to try these cars on a (smooth) > tarmac circuit for a proper comparison. > > Malc.

Finland is on tarmac. Feels better than Porsche Unleashed, but not by a lot.

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> > "Malc" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:h%ul8.8468$OP.260716@stones... > > Agreed it's no GPL, though. I'd like to try these cars on a (smooth) > > tarmac circuit for a proper comparison. > > > > Malc. > > Finland is on tarmac. Feels better than Porsche Unleashed, but not by a

lot. > > I was thinking of something closer to Zandvoort? Plenty of curves to balance the throttle on. I haven't found a stage on RT that'll offer more than "point and squirt". Some of the snow stages are okay, but it still feels like the under/oversteer is forced, rather than being what the car would naturally do. Perhaps it will come with time. I've not yet re-done it all post-patch. Malc.

Very Basic ?:: How do I tell if I have the patched version or not? (just got is recently 2 weeks ago) RBB "Todd Walker" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> In article <a76j7r$fdvrs$[email hidden]>, > [email hidden] says... > > > > "Pierre Legrand" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:[email hidden]... > > > I really havent noticed it....and the kind of burps or pauses I get in > > > iL2 would be very noticable. > > > > > > PAPA DOC > > > > > > Well, many people have commented on it so it's not just me. Game will be > > playing fine and then all of a sudden it will start stuttering and frame > > rate goes to shit. > > > > > > > > I have found that this occassionally happens when watching replays but > never during the actual race. This is on my P3/1Ghz, GeForce3 Ti200, 256 > megs RAM... > > -- > __________________________ > Todd Walker > http://twalker.d2g.com > __________________________

The retail versions DO NOT ship with the patch -- you MUST download and install the patch yourself. Otherwise, you are running the unpatched version. ;-) -- JB "Roger Bolt" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<iIOl8.8370$[email hidden]>...

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> Very Basic ?:: How do I tell if I have the patched version or not? (just > got is recently 2 weeks ago) > RBB > "Todd Walker" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > In article <a76j7r$fdvrs$[email hidden]>, > > [email hidden] says... > > > > > > "Pierre Legrand" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > news:[email hidden]... > > > > I really havent noticed it....and the kind of burps or pauses I get in > > > > iL2 would be very noticable. > > > > > > > > PAPA DOC > > > > > > > > > Well, many people have commented on it so it's not just me. Game will be > > > playing fine and then all of a sudden it will start stuttering and frame > > > rate goes to shit. > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have found that this occassionally happens when watching replays but > > never during the actual race. This is on my P3/1Ghz, GeForce3 Ti200, 256 > > megs RAM... > > > > -- > > __________________________ > > Todd Walker > > http://twalker.d2g.com > > __________________________

[email hidden] (Pierre Legrand) wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>... > Wow Im having some fun with this one....throwing it around. Just have > to get used to the deadly understeer when you let off the gas... <SNIP> Regarding the understeer when letting off the gas, have you checked out this thread: http://forum.jowood.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=4569 I HIGHLY recommend trying the tweaks to the input.ini file as recommended by "Cooknn" in this thread (second post in the thread, right after my initial post). Rally Trophy took on a whole new life for me once I got that part sorted out. ;-) -- JB

[email hidden] (Pierre Legrand) wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>... > I think the understeer is a bit over done for sure....basically you > cannot turn the Lancia Fulvia until its nearly stopped...when > approaching the left turn on the first stage. Hm. In my front-wheel drive street car, a square left at 15-20mph on tarmac will cause tire squeal. Just as a test, I brought up the speedo/tach popup in English unts and ran a really conservative time trial at Russia 1. Approaching that turn I was doing 90mph, I braked and went through the turn without slowing below 20mph, and I didn't cut the corner or kick the rear of the car out to get it turned faster (I'm sure if I pushed it on a flying lap I could keep it above 30mph). I'm not sure what you consider nearly stopped, but that sounds about right to me, if not unrealistically fast, especially on loose gravel. Jason

[email hidden] (jbodin) wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>... > I HIGHLY recommend trying the tweaks to the input.ini file as > recommended by "Cooknn" in this thread (second post in the thread, > right after my initial post). Rally Trophy took on a whole new life > for me once I got that part sorted out. What sort of wheel/pedal combo are you using John? I have a Microsoft PP (no FF) and haven't experienced that phenomenon, thankfully. It's amazing how many controller issues people are having. I guess I was lucky in that my wheel works fine with the patched version, but browsing through the JoWood forum apparently that's been the exception to the rule. It's a shame because the handling of the cars really reminds me of GPL, albeit with more weight/momentum and less horsepower. Jason

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> > Wow Im having some fun with this one....throwing it around. Just have > > to get used to the deadly understeer when you let off the gas... > > <SNIP> > > Regarding the understeer when letting off the gas, have you checked > out this thread: > > http://forum.jowood.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=4569 > > I HIGHLY recommend trying the tweaks to the input.ini file as > recommended by "Cooknn" in this thread (second post in the thread, > right after my initial post). Rally Trophy took on a whole new life > for me once I got that part sorted out.

JB - Did you have to adjust the throttle and brake values? I assumed that those were specific to my setup as I wired my TSW2 pedals to my Momo wheel and those values in the input.ini were the only way I could get split axis to work... - David Cook (Cooknn)

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> "jbodin" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > [email hidden] (Pierre Legrand) wrote in message > news:<[email hidden]>... > > > Wow Im having some fun with this one....throwing it around. Just have > > > to get used to the deadly understeer when you let off the gas... > > > > <SNIP> > > > > Regarding the understeer when letting off the gas, have you checked > > out this thread: > > > > http://forum.jowood.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=4569 > > > > I HIGHLY recommend trying the tweaks to the input.ini file as > > recommended by "Cooknn" in this thread (second post in the thread, > > right after my initial post). Rally Trophy took on a whole new life > > for me once I got that part sorted out. > > JB - Did you have to adjust the throttle and brake values? I assumed that > those were specific to my setup as I wired my TSW2 pedals to my Momo wheel > and those values in the input.ini were the only way I could get split axis > to work... > > - David Cook (Cooknn) > > >

I have yet to be split axis to work the way I want in this game. Combined is not problem everything works like a dream and no dreaded bug where you get on the brakes and loose steering input. Split axis and well it feels like even the lightest brush against the brake and the steering is useless. I have messsed with brake values, but it did not seem to help. Dave

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> [email hidden] (jbodin) wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>... > > > I HIGHLY recommend trying the tweaks to the input.ini file as > > recommended by "Cooknn" in this thread (second post in the thread, > > right after my initial post). Rally Trophy took on a whole new life > > for me once I got that part sorted out. > > What sort of wheel/pedal combo are you using John? I have a Microsoft > PP (no FF) and haven't experienced that phenomenon, thankfully. > > It's amazing how many controller issues people are having. I guess I > was lucky in that my wheel works fine with the patched version, but > browsing through the JoWood forum apparently that's been the exception > to the rule. It's a shame because the handling of the cars really > reminds me of GPL, albeit with more weight/momentum and less > horsepower. > > Jason

I have a TSW2 wheel with combined axis only: http://members.iquest.net/~jbodin/tsw2mod.htm I think you probably have more ability to "tweak" the deadzone and such with your MS wheel, which may account for the differences. -- JB

Yea Rally Trophy is perfect... hehe.... PAPA DOC

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>Hm. In my front-wheel drive street car, a square left at 15-20mph on >tarmac will cause tire squeal. Just as a test, I brought up the >speedo/tach popup in English unts and ran a really conservative time >trial at Russia 1. Approaching that turn I was doing 90mph, I braked >and went through the turn without slowing below 20mph, and I didn't >cut the corner or kick the rear of the car out to get it turned faster >(I'm sure if I pushed it on a flying lap I could keep it above 30mph). > I'm not sure what you consider nearly stopped, but that sounds about >right to me, if not unrealistically fast, especially on loose gravel. > >Jason

Pierre PAPA DOC Legrand Never Forget Never Forgive September 11, 2001 www.papadoc.net Maj. Bryan Hilferty, a spokesman for the 10th Mountain Division:"If they want to bring in more people so we can kill them,We're happy to oblige."