Rallisport Racing for Xbox is very good!

If you enjoy Rally racing (including Hill Climb and Ice/Snow racing) then you will love this game. The graphics are outstanding and the physics are above average for a console racer. The handling and gameplay are exceptional if you happen to have the MC2 wheel from MadCatz. One of the coolest features if having your spotter calling out the upcoming turns and potential hazards. It is so accurate that if you could get the timing down you could almost drive with your eyes shut. -------------------- Sinjin www.SinjinSolves.com Your Guide to Success

[email hidden] (Sinjin) writes: > One of the coolest features if having your spotter calling out the upcoming > turns and potential hazards. yeah, that's really special. -- Gunnar #31 SUCKS#015 Tupperware MC#002 DoD#0x1B DoDRT#003 DoD:CT#4,8 Kibo�: 2 gitaren er en sjingke

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> If you enjoy Rally racing (including Hill Climb and Ice/Snow racing) then you > will love this game. The graphics are outstanding and the physics are above > average for a console racer. The handling and gameplay are exceptional if you > happen to have the MC2 wheel from MadCatz. > > One of the coolest features if having your spotter calling out the upcoming > turns and potential hazards. It is so accurate that if you could get the timing > down you could almost drive with your eyes shut. >

It's no Rally Trophy ! Or Rally Championship, for that matter. But it's a bit better than PS2's WRC, which was gorgeous, but SLOW ! I thought the navigator was terrible ! He gets so far in front or behind in his corner calling, depending on how well, or badly you are driving. It's nearly unplayable with a normal controller(very twitchy), and the graphics are "decent" for a modern console. X-Box has not left me too impressed so far with the games I've seen.. Halo, Rallisport and Project Gotham(a bit of a mess). And, Amped, which is boredom defined ! Nothing outstanding going on here.

On 18 Mar 2002 18:32:18 +0100, Gunnar Horrigmo <[email hidden]> wrote: >[email hidden] (Sinjin) writes: > >> One of the coolest features if having your spotter calling out the upcoming >> turns and potential hazards. > >yeah, that's really special. That's not special, but 'It is so accurate that if you could get the timing down you could almost drive with your eyes shut.' is.. No PC rally game got that right so far. Andre

I agree. One of the best racers I've ever played. "Sinjin" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > If you enjoy Rally racing (including Hill Climb and Ice/Snow racing) thenyou > will love this game. The graphics are outstanding and the physics areabove > average for a console racer. The handling and gameplay are exceptional ifyou > happen to have the MC2 wheel from MadCatz. > > One of the coolest features if having your spotter calling out theupcoming > turns and potential hazards. It is so accurate that if you could get thetiming

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> down you could almost drive with your eyes shut. > > -------------------- > Sinjin > www.SinjinSolves.com > Your Guide to Success >

Do you actually own it Ted? Or just played it at EB for 10 minutes? It took me about an hour to get adjusted to the controls....after that the control feels *perfect*. I thought it was twitchy at first too, but now it is great. "redTed" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:a7ql8.13545$%[email hidden]... > > "Sinjin" <[email hidden]> wrote in messagenews:[email hidden]... > > If you enjoy Rally racing (including Hill Climb and Ice/Snow racing)then you > > will love this game. The graphics are outstanding and the physics areabove > > average for a console racer. The handling and gameplay are exceptionalif you > > happen to have the MC2 wheel from MadCatz. > > > > One of the coolest features if having your spotter calling out theupcoming > > turns and potential hazards. It is so accurate that if you could getthe timing > > down you could almost drive with your eyes shut. > > > > It's no Rally Trophy ! Or Rally Championship, for that matter. But it's abit better than > PS2's WRC, which was gorgeous, but SLOW ! > I thought the navigator was terrible ! He gets so far in front or behindin his corner > calling, depending on how well, or badly you are driving. It's nearlyunplayable with a > normal controller(very twitchy), and the graphics are "decent" for amodern console. X-Box > has not left me too impressed so far with the games I've seen.. Halo,Rallisport and > Project Gotham(a bit of a mess). And, Amped, which is boredom defined ! > Nothing outstanding going on here. > > >

"Andre Warringa" <[email hidden]> wrote > On 18 Mar 2002 18:32:18 +0100, Gunnar Horrigmo <[email hidden]> > wrote: > >[email hidden] (Sinjin) writes: > >> One of the coolest features if having your spotter calling out theupcoming

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> >> turns and potential hazards. > > > >yeah, that's really special. > That's not special, but 'It is so accurate that if you could get the > timing down you could almost drive with your eyes shut.' is.. > > No PC rally game got that right so far.

No real rally driver has got that either, I assume. I doubt that it will add to the realism. Ice D

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> >"Sinjin" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... >> If you enjoy Rally racing (including Hill Climb and Ice/Snow racing) then you >> will love this game. The graphics are outstanding and the physics are above >> average for a console racer. The handling and gameplay are exceptional if you >> happen to have the MC2 wheel from MadCatz. >> >> One of the coolest features if having your spotter calling out the upcoming >> turns and potential hazards. It is so accurate that if you could get the timing >> down you could almost drive with your eyes shut. >> > >It's no Rally Trophy ! Or Rally Championship, for that matter. But it's a bit better than >PS2's WRC, which was gorgeous, but SLOW ! >I thought the navigator was terrible ! He gets so far in front or behind in his corner >calling, depending on how well, or badly you are driving. It's nearly unplayable with a >normal controller(very twitchy), and the graphics are "decent" for a modern console. X-Box >has not left me too impressed so far with the games I've seen.. Halo, Rallisport and >Project Gotham(a bit of a mess). And, Amped, which is boredom defined ! >Nothing outstanding going on here. >

To each their own I guess, but Halo is still arguably the best FPS in existance (so far) and Amped is easily the best snowboard SIM out there. There aren't too many games on the Xbox that haven't impressed me and only a few (like ObiWan) have really disappointed me. As for RalliSport... My navigator was dead on listing the next 2-3 "terrain features" in advance. The rate of his narration also seemed dependent on my current speed so if I was going faster he would give me more info. It was also amazingly ACCURATE info like "don't cut the turn - loose gravel on the inside" or "medium left - caution - rocks on the outside" or my favorite "caution - exposure" which has kept me from plummeting off the side of a mountain on more than one occasion. The verbal instructions are also accompanied by icons that drop down from the top but I almost tune these out now and concentrate on mainting "the line". I also like the fact that you score for each round is also affected by your car damage - a good incentive for driving clean! Control is dead on with either the standard controller or the MC2 wheel. I had to play around with the calibration to get the wheel to perform as tight as the controller but in the end it was worth it. I get much more accurate gas and braking with the full range of the pedals vs. the left/right triggers on a gamepad. -------------------- Sinjin www.SinjinSolves.com Your Guide to Success

"Adam" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:Aeql8.184169$[email hidden]... > Do you actually own it Ted? Or just played it at EB for 10 minutes? It > took me about an hour to get adjusted to the controls....after that the > control feels *perfect*. I thought it was twitchy at first too, but now it > is great. > I don't own them , but I was playing them for about 5 hours on Friday night. Why, if they are so poor, were you playing for 5 hours I hear you ask ? Well, my mate was beside himself with joy at his new possession, so it would have been rude not to . Rallisport gives a nice sensation of speed, but the controller just doesn't cut it. Compare the control on something like GT3 and you can see how wrong it is. Halo has some great weapons effects, but the levels we were playing were very bland, to say the least. OT question here. Why are the aliens so bloody stupid that they make their floors out of glass ? It's fun shooting the panels and watching them drop through though. But, overall, the game is no match for the greatest console FPS ever, and that was Goldeneye.

"Sinjin" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > > > To each their own I guess, but Halo is still arguably the best FPS inexistance > (so far) and Amped is easily the best snowboard SIM out there. Therearen't too > many games on the Xbox that haven't impressed me and only a few (likeObiWan) > have really disappointed me. As for RalliSport... Firstly Halo is not a proper FPS, it's a combination of first and third person perspectives, it should be compared more to Tomb Raider than the Unreal or Quake series of games. After playing it for a few hours I was bored rigid, same with amped, it looks good, but the control isn't exactly intutative, they could certainly learn something from Neversoft who did the Tony Hawks series... and Matt Hoffman I think. So far I have yet to be impressed with any game I've played on the Xbox, but I also felt the same with the PS2, give it 6-12 months and maybe we'll start seeing something decent. The Xbox controller is just dreadfull, far inferior to the PS2 ones... perhaps when the release the slightly smaller jap versions over here I'll be happier with them, but they are far too big and cumbersome. Heckler

"redTed" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:2url8.13751$%[email hidden]... > > Halo has some great weapons effects, but the levels we were playing werevery bland, to > say the least. OT question here. Why are the aliens so bloody stupid thatthey make their > floors out of glass ? It's fun shooting the panels and watching them dropthrough though. > But, overall, the game is no match for the greatest console FPS ever, andthat was > Goldeneye. Probably because the aliens you encounter didn't build Halo. Who built Halo? That's sort of the point of the game.

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> > > Firstly Halo is not a proper FPS, it's a combination of first and third > person perspectives, it should be compared more to Tomb Raider than the > Unreal or Quake series of games. After playing it for a few hours I was > bored rigid, same with amped, it looks good, but the control isn't exactly > intutative, they could certainly learn something from Neversoft who did

the > Tony Hawks series... and Matt Hoffman I think. > Halo is not a proper FPS. By that I assume that it has a story and a plot, it's not as bland and utterly boring as something Id releases every other year or so. I can see how you compare it to Tomb Raider because (a) it doesn't center around a big breasted woman and (b) apart from driving a few vehicles there are no third person views at all.

On Mon, 18 Mar 2002 18:54:46 GMT, [email hidden] (Sinjin) wrote: >To each their own I guess, but Halo is still arguably the best FPS in existance >(so far) ... I agree. Would be even better on a PC (with mouselook controls) but it is the best action FPS ever. Knocked my all-time favs of Half-Life and Jedi Knight off the top spot. (I have high hopes for Jedi Knight 2 which should be in the stores within 2 weeks!). >There aren't too >many games on the Xbox that haven't impressed me and only a few (like ObiWan) >have really disappointed me. Obiwan does suck horribly. Most XBox games are average, port-ware. Overall the system isn't worth buying yet IMO (I won mine, woohoo!). >Control is dead on with either the standard controller or the MC2 wheel. True, they've nailed the car-sliding control better than any previous rally game IMO, even when just using the hand-held XBox controller.

On Mon, 18 Mar 2002 20:27:34 -0000, "Heckler ����" <[email hidden]> wrote: >Firstly Halo is not a proper FPS, it's a combination of first and third >person perspectives, it should be compared more to Tomb Raider than the >Unreal or Quake series of games. Incorrect. In the vehicle-control mode a 3rd-person view is of course provided (with a particularly innovative and effective control scheme I must say). But on-foot it's FPS all the way. The controls even mimic mouselook.

"Heckler ����" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:a75ig0$j0s5g$[email hidden]... > The Xbox controller is just dreadfull, far inferior > to the PS2 ones... perhaps when the release the slightly smaller jap > versions over here I'll be happier with them, but they are far too bigand > cumbersome. Are you <ahem> fairly young? Because every adult male I know who has tried it feels very comfortable with the Xbox controller. Maybe you just have small hands....

It's sweat. The hill climb sections are the icing on this cake. Replays are incredible on Hill climb, the sense of elevation change is unseen in any game I've ever played. The damage model is a bit sucky on her though, oh well, more of a game then a sim. However, I've NEVER seen grass drawn so nice. That GF3+ card really shines on the box. PGR is also another good game for the Xbox, really gets your heart racing. TestDrive looks to have potential and I hear F1-2002 is looking good as well. Best gaming move I've made in a while (buying an Xbox that is). "Sinjin" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... : If you enjoy Rally racing (including Hill Climb and Ice/Snow racing) then you : will love this game. The graphics are outstanding and the physics are above : average for a console racer. The handling and gameplay are exceptional if you : happen to have the MC2 wheel from MadCatz. : : One of the coolest features if having your spotter calling out the upcoming : turns and potential hazards. It is so accurate that if you could get the timing : down you could almost drive with your eyes shut. : : -------------------- : Sinjin : www.SinjinSolves.com : Your Guide to Success

"redTed" <[email hidden]> writes: > But, overall, the game is no match for the greatest console FPS ever, and that was > Goldeneye. Perfect Dark! Perfect Dark, I tells ya! -- Gunnar #31 SUCKS#015 Tupperware MC#002 DoD#0x1B DoDRT#003 DoD:CT#4,8 Kibo�: 2 gitaren er en sjingke

"Heckler ����" <[email hidden]> writes: > The Xbox controller is just dreadfull, far inferior > to the PS2 ones... perhaps when the release the slightly smaller jap > versions over here I'll be happier with them, but they are far too big and > cumbersome. you should try the Dreamcast. after that, the Xbox controller is a dream. :D -- Gunnar #31 SUCKS#015 Tupperware MC#002 DoD#0x1B DoDRT#003 DoD:CT#4,8 Kibo�: 2 silence is FOO!

I agree. Rallisport Challenge (bar-none) is simply the best Rally racing game I've ever tried (considering I've played Rally Cross, Test Drive V-Rally, WRC, Sega Rally and Colin McRae 2). My only complaint is that they don't allow you to restart a race in a series, which some series are really long. Combine that with AI that loves to "take you out" and it makes completing the game VERY difficult. Multiplayer (2-4 players) is unmatched fun also! Incredible game for sure. -Chad "PositiveG" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:j3vl8.37069$[email hidden]... > It's sweat. The hill climb sections are the icing on this cake.Replays > are incredible on Hill climb, the sense of elevation change is unseen inany > game I've ever played. The damage model is a bit sucky on her though, oh > well, more of a game then a sim. > > However, I've NEVER seen grass drawn so nice. That GF3+ card reallyshines

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> on the box. > > PGR is also another good game for the Xbox, really gets your heart racing. > TestDrive looks to have potential and I hear F1-2002 is looking good as > well. > > Best gaming move I've made in a while (buying an Xbox that is). > > > > "Sinjin" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > : If you enjoy Rally racing (including Hill Climb and Ice/Snow racing)

then > you > : will love this game. The graphics are outstanding and the physics are > above > : average for a console racer. The handling and gameplay are exceptionalif > you > : happen to have the MC2 wheel from MadCatz. > : > : One of the coolest features if having your spotter calling out the > upcoming > : turns and potential hazards. It is so accurate that if you could getthe

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> timing > : down you could almost drive with your eyes shut. > : > : -------------------- > : Sinjin > : www.SinjinSolves.com > : Your Guide to Success > >

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"Gunnar Horrigmo" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > "Heckler ����" <[email hidden]> writes: > > > The Xbox controller is just dreadfull, far inferior > > to the PS2 ones... perhaps when the release the slightly smaller jap > > versions over here I'll be happier with them, but they are far too bigand > > cumbersome. > > you should try the Dreamcast. after that, the Xbox controller is a > dream. :D That's one of the main reasons I never bought a DC, controllers where just horrible. Heckler

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> "Heckler ����" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:a75ig0$j0s5g$[email hidden]... > > > The Xbox controller is just dreadfull, far inferior > > to the PS2 ones... perhaps when the release the slightly smaller jap > > versions over here I'll be happier with them, but they are far too big > and > > cumbersome. > > Are you <ahem> fairly young? Because every adult male I know who has > tried it feels very comfortable with the Xbox controller. Maybe you > just have small hands....

Aren't you assuming an awful lot there? Out of 7 people I know who have bought them, 5 dislike the controllers and 2 are indifferent to them. I was in a shop the other day and overheard one Dad talking to his son and he commented on the large controllers. As for my hand size, we all know that small hands make other things look bigger. :o) But I play drums, Bass and guitar with no real problems, so I think my hands are normal. Heckler

"Gunnar Horrigmo" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > "redTed" <[email hidden]> writes: > > > But, overall, the game is no match for the greatest console FPS ever,and that was > > Goldeneye. > > Perfect Dark! Perfect Dark, I tells ya! They were both brilliant... I bought my N64 just because of Goldeneye.... it was more than 6 months before I bought another game... I had my PSX for the rest and the N64 just for that... we had so much fun with multiplayer. I'd just picked up a 2nd hand copy of Perfect Dark and didn't get much of a chance to play it before I sold both my consoles to buy something else. Heckler

"PositiveG" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:j3vl8.37069$[email hidden]... > It's sweat. The hill climb sections are the icing on this cake.Replays > are incredible on Hill climb, the sense of elevation change is unseen inany > game I've ever played. The damage model is a bit sucky on her though, oh > well, more of a game then a sim. I have to agree. The hill climb portions fo the game are the best. The elevation changes, hairpins, and driving on the edge of cliffs is just great. The sense of speed in RSC is awesome. My only real complaints are the lack of a cockpit mode and the split screen is not side by side in 2 player mode. Overall a great arcade rally racer. Kyle

"Heckler ����" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:a7691f$iu8tf$[email hidden]... > > > Aren't you assuming an awful lot there? Out of 7 people I know whohave > bought them, 5 dislike the controllers and 2 are indifferent to them.I was > in a shop the other day and overheard one Dad talking to his son andhe > commented on the large controllers. > Too many people with inadequacy problems. ;o) I have had a number of friends over to play on the Xbox, and also taken it to a couple of parties. These are mostly the same guys, but altogether I think I have had 8 or so adult males in addition to myself try it, and they all liked the Xbox controllers. I know, because I asked them. I asked them, because as you know the size of the controllers has been one of the primary complaints since the Xbox first came out. They all said they like the bigger controller because their hands don't get cramped like they do on smaller ones. So yeah I guess I am making an assumption based on that, I am assuming that it has primarily been teenagers who are complaining that the controllers are too big. All I know is they feel fine to me and my friends.

I recently decided to get one of the new consoles because A) they are, for the first time, better than my PC, B) I don't have the funds to upgrade my PC, and C) the only PC game I want in the next 12 months is Medal of Honor: Allied Assault. It is so difficult to get an unbiased opinion on these consoles, because everybody who has them doesn't want to admit if it has any flaws. Especially Xbox owners. In an ironic twist, Xbox owners won't admit that the Xbox has any flaws, because they are trying to reassure themselves that they bought the right machine. It is exactly what Linux users do all the time. But I don't care. I just wanted the best console. Remember these things: Nintendo have made their name developing quality gaming systems Sony have made their name making quality electronics Microsoft have made their name making shaky Operating Systems Xbox has more Mhz on the CPU, but some instructions take 8 times longer than others. Apparently, comparing a PS2 to an Xbox in speed, the PS2 would be the equivalent of a 1Ghz xbox. And that is an independent study. But I don't care. What it comes down to is this: Xbox = Halo PS2 = GT3, Metal Gear Solid 2 GC = The usual suspects (anything with Mario), and Super Monkey Ball These are the killer games on those systems. So what I did is compared these games to see which ones were phenomenal, and which were merely good. The results? Halo was boring, not especially graphically intense, and crashed. GT3 is probably the best looking game ever, and takes about a year to complete. MGS2 is heavily storyline driven, quite short, but extremely sweet. The GC games that I have played are the best though, playable as hell, looking great, sounding perfect etc. So, what did I get? A PS2. Why? PS2 can play quality games, DVDs straight out of the box, is ultra smooth gameplay at 60fps, properly motion blurred to make it look nicer on a TV, and that blue light is amazing. The GC lost out because, although it is the best console, there is no real variation in the games, mostly they are cartoony, Mario style. And you have to run your games past Nintendo before you can release them. The PS2 may get a load of shite games, but, like the PC, allows people to break the mould. The Xbox was way behind because it was not properly motion blurred (which makes the animation on screen very slightly jerky - just about perceptible but very annoying), it crashed, and for the price I could upgrade my PC to a 2Ghz monster. I don't care about the controller size (although it did give me hand cramps playing Halo), but the positioning. Moving your thumb all the way up from the right analog, to the buttons took some time, and I kept pressing those four boiled sweet buttons all at the same time. I could never get fully immersed in any game I tried because there was this level of 'playing the machine' rather than 'playing the game'. On the PS2 and GC, all the control systems and stuff just disappear, and you can get fully immersed in whatever game you are playing. And now Sony are releasing the development kit. Based on Linux, it comes with a USB keyboard and mouse, all the utils to make your own games, a 40Gb Hard Drive and the Broadband internet adapter. I don't know the UK price, but converting from euros makes it �152. Bargain. Whichever console you get, you are going to be pleased. Just more so with a PS2 or a GC. And then it just comes down to the games. The GC hardware is better, but the PS2 games are better and more diverse. That's my input into this argument. It is about as unbiased as you can get.

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> > It is so difficult to get an unbiased opinion on these consoles, > because everybody who has them doesn't want to admit if it has any > flaws. Especially Xbox owners. In an ironic twist, Xbox owners won't > admit that the Xbox has any flaws, because they are trying to reassure > themselves that they bought the right machine. It is exactly what > Linux users do all the time.

Xbox owners are just as likely to admit to flaws in their system as PS2 and Gamecube owners. I own both the PS2 and Xbox and both have their flaws. > But I don't care. I just wanted the best console. There is no "best" console. There are three choices and all three choices are good choices. There is very little in this world that can be described as "best". This does not include videogame consoles, motherboards, houses and cars. > The results? Halo was boring, not especially graphically intense, and > crashed. Halo may be boring, I loved it, but it's one of the better looking games released on a console. I don't understand the "graphically intense" comment. > GT3 is probably the best looking game ever, and takes about a year to > complete. GT3 is not the best looking game ever. It suffers from a trememdous amount of graphical flaws, such as flicker and aliasing. Yes it may take about a year to complete, but you'll have done everything and seen everything within in a month. You simply race different cars on the same tracks in the same series over and over again. The cars get faster, nothing else changes. By the way, when I say "race" different cars I use that term loosely. You don't race anything in GT3. You get run over, banged into, pushed out the way, but you don't actually race. > MGS2 is heavily storyline driven, quite short, but extremely sweet. And extremely text oriented. How much do you want to read during a game? Want a better game, try Ico. Quite short, extremely short and none of that poor "read, read, explore, fight boss, read, explore, read, read, fight boss, read" gameplay that MGS is known for. > So, what did I get? A PS2. Why? PS2 can play quality games, DVDs > straight out of the box, is ultra smooth gameplay at 60fps, properly > motion blurred to make it look nicer on a TV, and that blue light is > amazing. The PS2 does not do motion blur all that well. The dreamcast was the king of the hill in that category, but why is motion blur a "decision" maker on a console? It's rarely used in any games, and then only briefly. The blue light is nice, now that's a sellng point. 60fps... that's a software issue not a console issue. Yes the PS2 plays DVD's out of the box, but you need to buy a memory card to save your games. How much is that memory card? $35. Want to save games on the Xbox, that's free. Want to watch DVD's? That's $30. Looks like a wash to me. > The GC lost out because, although it is the best console, there is no > real variation in the games, mostly they are cartoony, Mario style. > And you have to run your games past Nintendo before you can release > them. The PS2 may get a load of shite games, but, like the PC, allows > people to break the mould. Want to release a game for the PS2 or Xbox? Guess what, you need to run your games by Sony and Microsoft. The nintendo games are carbon copy "Mario style". Well there hasn't been a Mario game released for the GC and from what I've seen the selection of games is quite diverse. They do appeal to a younger audience though. I don't own a GC but I don't see anything wrong with it. I don't see why a developer can't break the "mould" with it. Much like has been accomplished already with Pikmin.

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> The Xbox was way behind because it was not properly motion blurred > (which makes the animation on screen very slightly jerky - just about > perceptible but very annoying), it crashed, and for the price I could > upgrade my PC to a 2Ghz monster. I don't care about the controller > size (although it did give me hand cramps playing Halo), but the > positioning. Moving your thumb all the way up from the right analog, > to the buttons took some time, and I kept pressing those four boiled > sweet buttons all at the same time. I could never get fully immersed > in any game I tried because there was this level of 'playing the > machine' rather than 'playing the game'. On the PS2 and GC, all the > control systems and stuff just disappear, and you can get fully > immersed in whatever game you are playing.

Again with the motion blur. What excatly does that mean? Yes you could upgrade your PC to 2ghz for the price of an Xbox. But you can you also buy a hard drive, a GF3, and a network card for the same price? The Xbox is not a PC. Don't know why you're comparing it to your pc. It's a computer just like the Gamecube and PS2. I'm still confused about the motion blur.... > And now Sony are releasing the development kit. Based on Linux, it > comes with a USB keyboard and mouse, all the utils to make your own > games, a 40Gb Hard Drive and the Broadband internet adapter. I don't > know the UK price, but converting from euros makes it �152. Bargain. Ummm, you know you can download Linux for free right? I assume you already have a keboard and mouse. How many games are you writing at the moment? Why would this change but spending yet more money for this kit to use with the PS2? > Whichever console you get, you are going to be pleased. Just more so > with a PS2 or a GC. Now that's an intelligent statement. You're going to be "more" pleased with a PS2 or GC. Who wouldn't want to be more pleased?

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> > It is so difficult to get an unbiased opinion on these consoles, > because everybody who has them doesn't want to admit if it has any > flaws. Especially Xbox owners. In an ironic twist, Xbox owners won't > admit that the Xbox has any flaws, because they are trying to reassure > themselves that they bought the right machine. It is exactly what > Linux users do all the time.

Don't be an ass. I delayed purchasing a new console for many years, because the hardware just wasn't good enough. The XBox was the first console in many years that I thought was worth the purchase price. I did not just buy it by accident and then try to justify it, I have been waiting for it for a long time. > The results? Halo was boring, not especially graphically intense, and > crashed. You are entitled to your optinion, but I certainly disagree. I have played through the first 7 levels of Halo and I think it is phenomenal. And I have never seen it crash. > ... properly motion blurred to make it look nicer on a TV... Never cared for that effect or FSAA for that matter. Just makes things look out of focus to me. And again, I am not saying that to justify my purchase, these are things I thought about before making the purchase. Just like you, I studied the available systems first and then decided what to buy. > The Xbox was way behind because it was not properly motion blurred > (which makes the animation on screen very slightly jerky - just about > perceptible but very annoying), I'll provisionally give you that one. There are a couple of games that pushed the frame rate a little too hard. For the most part however the animation is fine, it's just some developers that went a little too far. > it crashed, and for the price I could > upgrade my PC to a 2Ghz monster. I don't want to go off on a tangent here, but I still don't think it is valid to compare a console to a PC. Sure they both play games, but that is the only thing they have in common, at least in terms of usage. > I don't care about the controller > size (although it did give me hand cramps playing Halo), but the > positioning. Moving your thumb all the way up from the right analog, > to the buttons took some time, and I kept pressing those four boiled > sweet buttons all at the same time. I still like the size of the controller, but I agree the button layout is not good. > I could never get fully immersed > in any game I tried because there was this level of 'playing the > machine' rather than 'playing the game'. On the PS2 and GC, all the > control systems and stuff just disappear, and you can get fully > immersed in whatever game you are playing. Hasn't been my experience at all. > And now Sony are releasing the development kit. Based on Linux, it > comes with a USB keyboard and mouse, all the utils to make your own > games, a 40Gb Hard Drive and the Broadband internet adapter. I don't > know the UK price, but converting from euros makes it �152. Bargain. Very cool. > Whichever console you get, you are going to be pleased. Just more so > with a PS2 or a GC. And then it just comes down to the games. The GC > hardware is better, but the PS2 games are better and more diverse. PS2 certainly has better variety of games today, but a lot of developers are moving to XBox. And when I look at games back-to-back that have both an XBox version and a PS2 version, such as Max Payne, the XBox version looks better to me. > That's my input into this argument. It is about as unbiased as you can > get. Hardly. You appear to be guilty of doing exactly the same thing that you accuse XBox owners and Unix users of doing. I'm glad you are happy with your purchase, but you are in effect saying that everyone else is just wrong and being defensive about it, and then you are going and doing the same thing yourself. Live and let live, buddy.

during the time I rented it I was not able to get to all of the levels. Are there any cheat codes to unlock some of the higher levels yet ? "Kyle Roberts" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:0zyl8.97830$[email hidden]...

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> > "PositiveG" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:j3vl8.37069$[email hidden]... > > It's sweat. The hill climb sections are the icing on this cake. > Replays > > are incredible on Hill climb, the sense of elevation change is unseen in > any > > game I've ever played. The damage model is a bit sucky on her though,

oh > > well, more of a game then a sim. > > I have to agree. The hill climb portions fo the game are the best. The > elevation changes, hairpins, and driving on the edge of cliffs is just > great. The sense of speed in RSC is awesome. My only real complaints arethe > lack of a cockpit mode and the split screen is not side by side in 2player

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> mode. Overall a great arcade rally racer. > > Kyle > > > > > >

"> If you enjoy Rally racing (including Hill Climb and Ice/Snow racing) then you > will love this game. The graphics are outstanding and the physics areabove > average for a console racer. The handling and gameplay are exceptional ifyou > happen to have the MC2 wheel from MadCatz. It is a very good game, probably the second best racing game for the x-box (F1 2001 by EA is still tops in my opinion). If you like racing games and have an x-box this is a must buy. However, this is not a game to go out and buy an x-box for though. The physics are for the most part good for a console game, but no were near the quality of GPL or even F1 2001 for that matter (something about sliding sideways doing a 150 Mph on tarmac in a rally car and not rolling it makes me question the seriousness of the physics model). It is just a very fun, great looking racing game for the casual gamer. Bottom line, great game, poor sim.

Not that I know of, there is a trick to getting the 12,000 points easier though. 1) Practice in time attack on the track you're about to race in career mode (CM). 2) Then practice a race. 3) Then go into CM and race this one track, come in first. 4) Move to the next track in CM, then quit. 5) Goto Step 1. If you complete each race with a 1st or 2nd place, you'll easily get the 12k points to open hill climb. "Olly Greenfield" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:_JJl8.1271$[email hidden]... : during the time I rented it I was not able to get to all of the levels. Are : there any cheat codes to unlock some of the higher levels yet ? : : "Kyle Roberts" <[email hidden]> wrote in message : news:0zyl8.97830$[email hidden]... : > : > "PositiveG" <[email hidden]> wrote in message : > news:j3vl8.37069$[email hidden]... : > > It's sweat. The hill climb sections are the icing on this cake. : > Replays : > > are incredible on Hill climb, the sense of elevation change is unseen in : > any : > > game I've ever played. The damage model is a bit sucky on her though, : oh : > > well, more of a game then a sim. : > : > I have to agree. The hill climb portions fo the game are the best. The : > elevation changes, hairpins, and driving on the edge of cliffs is just : > great. The sense of speed in RSC is awesome. My only real complaints are : the : > lack of a cockpit mode and the split screen is not side by side in 2 : player : > mode. Overall a great arcade rally racer. : > : > Kyle : > : > : > : > : > : > : :

>"Kyle Roberts" <[email hidden]> wrote > My only real complaints are the lack of a cockpit mode No cockpit mode? Why even bother to talk about it here... :) :( -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- http://www.ymenard.8m.com/ -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimato Dominguez Corporation - helping America into the New World...

It has a view where you see the hood. I don't typically drive my car staring at the dash board so it feels natural to me (well as natural as a game should be anyhow). "ymenard" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:rgQl8.8469$[email hidden]... : >"Kyle Roberts" <[email hidden]> wrote : > My only real complaints are the lack of a cockpit mode : : : No cockpit mode? Why even bother to talk about it here... :) :( : : : : : : : -- : -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> : -- http://www.ymenard.8m.com/ : -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimato Dominguez : Corporation - helping America into the New World... : : :

I prefer the hood view as I find cockpit views in rally sims (and NFS titles) to suck the frame rate, and it looks wrong to me. Which is weird as I would rather kill myself than play GPL or GPx in any view apart from cockpit... Book "PositiveG" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:IZQl8.37765$[email hidden]...

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> It has a view where you see the hood. I don't typically drive my car > staring at the dash board so it feels natural to me (well as natural as a > game should be anyhow). > > > > "ymenard" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:rgQl8.8469$[email hidden]... > : >"Kyle Roberts" <[email hidden]> wrote > : > My only real complaints are the lack of a cockpit mode > : > : > : No cockpit mode? Why even bother to talk about it here... :) :( > : > : > : > : > : > : > : -- > : -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> > : -- http://www.ymenard.8m.com/ > : -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimato Dominguez > : Corporation - helping America into the New World... > : > : > : > >

Everybody has their own opinions, I was just expressing mine. Max Payne looks better on xbox because it came from a PC EA Sports games (like SSX Tricky and Madden 02) look better on PS2, because they are 2nd gen PS2 titles. I am not defending my choice. I actually said the GC was better, but I went for the PS2 because I personally prefer some of the PS2 games to GC games. How is that being biased towards PS2? I think the most playable games available will all be on GC. But I want a little more variety. I didn't mean ALL of the xbox owners try to justify their personal choices, just the ones who go into EB or Dixons or whatever and get brainwashed by the salesman. This is the current argument for xbox vs PS2: xbox has a HD, doesn't need memory cards has 4 controller ports 4 player makes the screen too small has more Mhz, even though it is from a non-gaming architecture is online out of the box can play DVDs with the official remote (available separately from MS) USB ports on console are redesigned so you can't plug your PC keyboard/mouse in. 3rd party hardware must be officially endorsed by microsoft (probably with a % of sales, too) need to buy a memory card to transfer savegames to another system, or to use your unlocked game characters against a friend in 2/4 player mode. can buy a disc to make DVD region free ps2 needs memory cards which are expensive has 2 controller ports, expandable with multitaps(1 MT = 5 ports, 2MTs = 8 ports) 8 player games only work in sports sims etc where all characters are on screen at once (pro evolution etc) online requires an adapter at extra cost DVD out of the box can buy 3rd party controllers, remotes, multitaps etc without sony endorsement USB ports same as PC so keyboard/mouse/steering wheel can be transferred across can buy a disc or a memory card to make DVD region free HD is available soon at extra cost (5x bigger than xbox HD) when it is all added up, it is about the same price, but the nice man in your local electronics store (who is probably on commission anyway) only tells the xbox side of the argument. So many people buy xboxes and then wonder if they really have been duped by the nice man. So they try to convince themselves with unjustified argument. If you thought about it and got an xbox because you personally wanted one, then good for you, please ignore all of my comments, and maybe we will meet up in a cross-console online gaming world pretty soon.

"Nick Govier" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:IM2m8.11197$[email hidden]... > Everybody has their own opinions, I was just expressing mine. Fair enough, and btw I wasn't as worked up as I probably sounded. ;o) > 4 player makes the screen too small True for split screen games, but 4 player in many fighting and sports games doesn't require split screen. Of course, the same can be said for PS2 on this one, and if I understood you correctly the PS2 is expandable to more than 4 players. 8 players in a team sports game would be a blast. > USB ports same as PC so keyboard/mouse/steering wheel can betransferred > across Must admit I'm a bit jealous of that one. > HD is available soon at extra cost (5x bigger than xbox HD) One good thing about the XBox HD that many people aren't aware of is that it is only used for storing saved games and settings, you don't install games to it. So it's small size relative to a PC hard drive really isn't an issue (yet). I think the primary difference between the two systems is that PS2 has a ton of good games now, but XBox has a hard drive now, at no extra cost. I find the hard drive very useful, not just for saved games but for ripping music also. Since I have the Xbox connected to my receiver, I often just use it as a digital juke box. And I expect that the XBox will soon have some very good games, including Pro Race Driver and Morrowwind, so I'm not that concerned about the current sparseness of the selection. Anyway I will readily admit that even though I had been looking forward to the XBox since I first heard about it, I was still teetering between the XBox and the PS2 all the way up to about a month before the XBox's introduction. I honestly very nearly bought a PS2 for GT3. But I am happy with my XBox, and I'm glad you're happy with your PS2. Regards, Hal

"Nick Govier" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:IM2m8.11197$[email hidden]... > I didn't mean ALL of the xbox owners try to justify their personalchoices, > just the ones who go into EB or Dixons or whatever and get brainwashed by > the salesman. This is the current argument for xbox vs PS2: Relying on a salesperson in a store to make your buying decisions would be the first mistake. There are good games on both systems. I have both, but right now for my tastes the Xbox is getting more games that appeal to me. I also think that the Xbox has more features for the money. HDTV support(currently only 480P), 5.1 surround, custom soundtracks, ethernet, hard drive. By the way, 4 player split screen is great fun in all of these games and the screens are definitely not too small at my house. You just need a bigger TV to take advantage of it. Kyle

> One good thing about the XBox HD that many people aren't aware of is > that it is only used for storing saved games and settings, you don't > install games to it. So it's small size relative to a PC hard drive > really isn't an issue (yet). Apparently, Final Fantasy X and XI will extensively use the HD, as will Championship Manager on PS2 and some other games. Also I heard that you can save music to it and games will use it in games like replays etc. Don't know about that one, though. Other than that, I can't really see the benefit yet. It will come into it's own with the online connection though. Oh, and saving games like Smackdown: Just Bring It which needs 4Mb (!?!) to save. Nick.

> By the way, 4 player split screen is great fun in all of these > games and the screens are definitely not too small at my house. You just > need a bigger TV to take advantage of it. I have a 28inch Panasonic flat widescreen, so it's not like i'm using a portable TV or anything, but all the 4 player games I have played I haven't really enjoyed, everything from Goldeneye through to racing games like TOCA and Quake 3. But games like Pro Evolution, FIFA, and just about any sport game are just fantastic with 8 players or more : I've played one of the FIFAs with almost everybody on the pitch being controlled by a human - now that was amazing! People get pulled out of position just like real life, sometimes you don't pass to somebody because you know they are really useless, etc, etc. Back to my point, I never really got into 4 player splits coz from my sofa (even with my big-screen TV) you can't see much. The problem with 8 players though, is you need 2 multitaps (and 8 controllers). Between us, my mates have 8 controllers, and I recently bought this little stand thing which is just amazing. It holds your PS2 in the vertical position, it has an external on/off switch (so you don't have to reach around the back of your console to turn it off), loads of AV inputs/outputs (so it acts like a kind of splitter box between my PS2, Sky Digital and DVD player), A 4 player multitap built in (with the ports spread around the base), and has a DVD remote receiver built in, to use the supplied remote. All for less than �20 (~$30). It is the best peripheral ever and I thoroughly suggest all PS2 owners get one. Nick.

"Haqsau" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:a7b54s$k6c4u$[email hidden]... : "Nick Govier" <[email hidden]> wrote in message : news:IM2m8.11197$[email hidden]... : : > Everybody has their own opinions, I was just expressing mine. : : Fair enough, and btw I wasn't as worked up as I probably sounded. ;o) : : > 4 player makes the screen too small : : True for split screen games, but 4 player in many fighting and sports : games doesn't require split screen. Of course, the same can be said for : PS2 on this one, and if I understood you correctly the PS2 is expandable : to more than 4 players. 8 players in a team sports game would be a : blast. 4 way looks quite good on a 16:9 HDTV : : > HD is available soon at extra cost (5x bigger than xbox HD) : : One good thing about the XBox HD that many people aren't aware of is : that it is only used for storing saved games and settings, you don't : install games to it. So it's small size relative to a PC hard drive : really isn't an issue (yet). : The DOA3 addon CD will supposedly use it, I also suspect that Online games will also use it too. Not to mention that you can use it to load Music CDs. Wait and see, It'll be used.

"Nick Govier" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:96km8.3365$[email hidden]... > > By the way, 4 player split screen is great fun in all of these > > games and the screens are definitely not too small at my house. You just > > need a bigger TV to take advantage of it. > > vertical position, it has an external on/off switch (so you don't have to > reach around the back of your console to turn it off), You don't need to reach around the back to turn it off, just hold the reset button down for a couple of seconds.

"PositiveG" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:q3lm8.38487$[email hidden]... > > > The DOA3 addon CD will supposedly use it, I also suspect that Onlinegames > will also use it too. > Good point. Expansions of any kind, whether it is add on content, a custom controller driver, on-line capability or whatever will have to use the hard drive. > Not to mention that you can use it to load Music CDs. Wait and see,It'll > be used. True, but they are compressed (at I think 5:1 or so) so they don't really take up much space. On of the Xbox sites (wish I could remember which one) tried to intentionally fill up the hard drive by repeatedly copying music files. I forget how many hours worth of music they finally got on before it filled up, but it was way more than I have in my CD collection. I don't think I will need to worry about the hard drive capacity for a few years (yes I know, famous last words!).

"Internet User" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<3c99f045 > You don't need to reach around the back to turn it off, just hold the reset > button down for a couple of seconds. Holding down the Q for a few seconds puts it in standby mode, but to really turn it off, you need to use the switch. I prefer to turn the lot off, coz at university I have to pay for the electricity in my hall, and everything is either off or in use. It's my way, and I'm sticking to it... :-)