...the whinge is not about VROC itself, but one race in particular just
now. (Don't bother reading on if you've got anything else to do.)
Found a race at the Glen, which was great as I've improved a great deal
there in the Ferrari recently (I'm disappointed if I don't qualify in
the 1:05.xx bracket), and qualified 2nd in 1:05.39, a fair bit behind
the polesitter's Lotus (mid-1:04), but just 0.01s ahead of a bloke I'll
only refer to by his initials (JF - not someone I regularly race
against), also in a Lotus. Time for some good racing, I thought.
Got through T1 okay (seems to be more common at the Glen than you might
think), and at the end of lap 1 JF's right on my tail. At the Loop, he
slips up the inside, but runs slightly wide, so I get him back going
onto the straight - a classic move, with both drivers clean and fair.
My grin widens...
But then JF slipstreams me up the back straight, and pulls alongside
into the Speed Trap left-hander. I'm practically touching the Armco on
the left, but assume he'll make it past, so hold my line and lift off
*very* slightly (as I can't see where he is). Next thing I know, BAM!
I'm upside down. Oh well, Shift-R time.
A few seconds later, I see a "THX" from JF. I assume this is a little
sarcastic, so put up a "SRY" to mollify him, even though I can't see
that I've done anything wrong (I certainly didn't move over on him).
I'm about 10th now, but for 1/2 lap everything's OK.
Then, another message from JF: "That didn't mean THX you know". Then "I
was being sarcastic". And then: "What I meant was FUCK OFF". And, with
that piercing insight, JF disconnects. I've lost concentration because
of this (now that *is* my fault) and smash into the hay bales at the
Esses. Race over for me.
Looking at the replay afterwards, what's happened is that JF has come
around the outside, and shut the door on me when we were *exactly*
level (at which point I couldn't see him at all). We've interlocked
wheels, and that caused the crash (he retired too). Now, I'd have been
happy to call it a racing accident, even though I felt JF was more at
fault than me. But this really wasn't nice.
The thing is, the success of VROC depends to a large degree on
gentlemanly conduct, and to a large extent it gets it - most of us will
put up a "NP" rather than get into a slanging match. But if you want to
criticise, please do it in a civil way rather than just shooting your
mouth off - especially when you're not entirely blameless yourself.
Yeah, I know it happens all the time, and tomorrow I'll have forgotten
about it, but somehow it hurts more in GPL than anywhere else because
of the "sporting" image of the game. Rant over.
--
"After all, a mere thousand yards... such a harmless little knoll,
really" - Raymond Mays on Shelsley Walsh.
The GPL Scrapyard: Back again! http://www.btinternet.com/~gplscrapyard
I'm shocked, shocked that a racer of John Frankenheimer's august reputation
would behave in such an ungentlemanly fashion. Whatever happened to "The
Right Crowd...and No Crowding"? Oh well, I guess you get the lumps with the
smooth IN A PICK-UP RACE!
--Steve
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> ...the whinge is not about VROC itself, but one race in particular just > now. (Don't bother reading on if you've got anything else to do.) > > Found a race at the Glen, which was great as I've improved a great deal > there in the Ferrari recently (I'm disappointed if I don't qualify in > the 1:05.xx bracket), and qualified 2nd in 1:05.39, a fair bit behind > the polesitter's Lotus (mid-1:04), but just 0.01s ahead of a bloke I'll > only refer to by his initials (JF - not someone I regularly race > against), also in a Lotus. Time for some good racing, I thought. > > Got through T1 okay (seems to be more common at the Glen than you might > think), and at the end of lap 1 JF's right on my tail. At the Loop, he > slips up the inside, but runs slightly wide, so I get him back going > onto the straight - a classic move, with both drivers clean and fair. > My grin widens... > > But then JF slipstreams me up the back straight, and pulls alongside > into the Speed Trap left-hander. I'm practically touching the Armco on > the left, but assume he'll make it past, so hold my line and lift off > *very* slightly (as I can't see where he is). Next thing I know, BAM! > I'm upside down. Oh well, Shift-R time. > > A few seconds later, I see a "THX" from JF. I assume this is a little > sarcastic, so put up a "SRY" to mollify him, even though I can't see > that I've done anything wrong (I certainly didn't move over on him). > I'm about 10th now, but for 1/2 lap everything's OK. > > Then, another message from JF: "That didn't mean THX you know". Then "I > was being sarcastic". And then: "What I meant was FUCK OFF". And, with > that piercing insight, JF disconnects. I've lost concentration because > of this (now that *is* my fault) and smash into the hay bales at the > Esses. Race over for me. > > Looking at the replay afterwards, what's happened is that JF has come > around the outside, and shut the door on me when we were *exactly* > level (at which point I couldn't see him at all). We've interlocked > wheels, and that caused the crash (he retired too). Now, I'd have been > happy to call it a racing accident, even though I felt JF was more at > fault than me. But this really wasn't nice. > > The thing is, the success of VROC depends to a large degree on > gentlemanly conduct, and to a large extent it gets it - most of us will > put up a "NP" rather than get into a slanging match. But if you want to > criticise, please do it in a civil way rather than just shooting your > mouth off - especially when you're not entirely blameless yourself. > > Yeah, I know it happens all the time, and tomorrow I'll have forgotten > about it, but somehow it hurts more in GPL than anywhere else because > of the "sporting" image of the game. Rant over. > > -- > "After all, a mere thousand yards... such a harmless little knoll, > really" - Raymond Mays on Shelsley Walsh. > > The GPL Scrapyard: Back again! http://www.btinternet.com/~gplscrapyard Fwiw, I think the "sporting image" of GPL has always been a bit over the
top. Sure, most GPL leagues are, but then, so are most Nx leagues.
VROC pickup races aren't any different than a Sierra.com one :)
-John
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> ...the whinge is not about VROC itself, but one race in particular just > now. (Don't bother reading on if you've got anything else to do.) > > Found a race at the Glen, which was great as I've improved a great deal > there in the Ferrari recently (I'm disappointed if I don't qualify in > the 1:05.xx bracket), and qualified 2nd in 1:05.39, a fair bit behind > the polesitter's Lotus (mid-1:04), but just 0.01s ahead of a bloke I'll > only refer to by his initials (JF - not someone I regularly race > against), also in a Lotus. Time for some good racing, I thought. > > Got through T1 okay (seems to be more common at the Glen than you might > think), and at the end of lap 1 JF's right on my tail. At the Loop, he > slips up the inside, but runs slightly wide, so I get him back going > onto the straight - a classic move, with both drivers clean and fair. > My grin widens... > > But then JF slipstreams me up the back straight, and pulls alongside > into the Speed Trap left-hander. I'm practically touching the Armco on > the left, but assume he'll make it past, so hold my line and lift off > *very* slightly (as I can't see where he is). Next thing I know, BAM! > I'm upside down. Oh well, Shift-R time. > > A few seconds later, I see a "THX" from JF. I assume this is a little > sarcastic, so put up a "SRY" to mollify him, even though I can't see > that I've done anything wrong (I certainly didn't move over on him). > I'm about 10th now, but for 1/2 lap everything's OK. > > Then, another message from JF: "That didn't mean THX you know". Then "I > was being sarcastic". And then: "What I meant was FUCK OFF". And, with > that piercing insight, JF disconnects. I've lost concentration because > of this (now that *is* my fault) and smash into the hay bales at the > Esses. Race over for me. > > Looking at the replay afterwards, what's happened is that JF has come > around the outside, and shut the door on me when we were *exactly* > level (at which point I couldn't see him at all). We've interlocked > wheels, and that caused the crash (he retired too). Now, I'd have been > happy to call it a racing accident, even though I felt JF was more at > fault than me. But this really wasn't nice. > > The thing is, the success of VROC depends to a large degree on > gentlemanly conduct, and to a large extent it gets it - most of us will > put up a "NP" rather than get into a slanging match. But if you want to > criticise, please do it in a civil way rather than just shooting your > mouth off - especially when you're not entirely blameless yourself. > > Yeah, I know it happens all the time, and tomorrow I'll have forgotten > about it, but somehow it hurts more in GPL than anywhere else because > of the "sporting" image of the game. Rant over. > > -- > "After all, a mere thousand yards... such a harmless little knoll, > really" - Raymond Mays on Shelsley Walsh. > > The GPL Scrapyard: Back again! http://www.btinternet.com/~gplscrapyardIt's a vroc pickup race. What do you expect?
Doug
To be honest you are missing the 'main' point.
JF is from " The 'Madding' Crowd..".;-))
Morgan Boof
David Buttery wrote:
<SNIP>
David -- Just turn the in car chat off! Talk about shit like that AFTER
the race.
Cheers
Gerry
Morgan Boof ([email hidden]) wrote on 20 Mar 2002:
> To be honest you are missing the 'main' point.
>
> JF is from " The 'Madding' Crowd..".;-))
Just to put you right: it *wasn't* that JF!
--
"After all, a mere thousand yards... such a harmless little knoll,
really" - Raymond Mays on Shelsley Walsh.
The GPL Scrapyard: Back again! http://www.btinternet.com/~gplscrapyard
Steve Smith ([email hidden]) wrote on 20 Mar 2002:
> I'm shocked, shocked that a racer of John Frankenheimer's august
> reputation would behave in such an ungentlemanly fashion.<snip>
It wasn't him. It was someone I've never heard of. And my point was
that it was worse than the usual *for a pickup race*.
--
"After all, a mere thousand yards... such a harmless little knoll,
really" - Raymond Mays on Shelsley Walsh.
The GPL Scrapyard: Back again! http://www.btinternet.com/~gplscrapyard
Douglas Ellison ([email hidden]) wrote on 20 Mar 2002:
> It's a vroc pickup race. What do you expect?
Criticism I can take. Insults I can accept. Even pointless obscenities
I'll live with. But most of the time the insulter has the guts to wait
for a reply.
And maybe it's true that GPL's sporting image is overdone (as John
Pancoast says above), but equally I get a little tired of people
implying that a VROC race is inevitably some sort of crashfest. 90% of
VROC pickup races not at Monza work very well - as I mentioned in my
post, I've had very few problems with the start at the Glen.
--
"After all, a mere thousand yards... such a harmless little knoll,
really" - Raymond Mays on Shelsley Walsh.
The GPL Scrapyard: Back again! http://www.btinternet.com/~gplscrapyard
In article <[email hidden]>, Gerry Aitken
<[email hidden]> writes:
>David -- Just turn the in car chat off! Talk about shit like that AFTER
>the race.
>
Can you turn it off AFTER you've already started driving? Sometimes you want
to see the chat messages, but you don't realize it's going to degenerate into a
useless stream of garbage...
Eldred
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"EldredP" wrote...
> <snip>
> Can you turn it off AFTER you've already started driving? Sometimes
> you want to see the chat messages, but you don't realize it's going
> to degenerate into a useless stream of garbage...
I tape over the bit of screen where the messages appear with black
electrical insulation tape, as turning the in-car chat option off still
serves up the connect/disconnect messages.
Jan.
=---
David,
I take yer point...but I'm not really shocked that you've encountered
rudeness from the hoi-polloi online (and I *know* it wasn't
Frankenheimer--he hates computers). Actually, I'm surprised at how
civilized GPL pick-up racing is...certainly as compared to NASCAR races,
which resemble the chaos at the Do Lung bridge in "Apocalypse Now."
BTW, thanks for the great pick-up race at Monza the other day!
--"John Winter"
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> Steve Smith ([email hidden]) wrote on 20 Mar 2002: > > > I'm shocked, shocked that a racer of John Frankenheimer's august > > reputation would behave in such an ungentlemanly fashion. > <snip> > > It wasn't him. It was someone I've never heard of. And my point was > that it was worse than the usual *for a pickup race*. > > -- > "After all, a mere thousand yards... such a harmless little knoll, > really" - Raymond Mays on Shelsley Walsh. > > The GPL Scrapyard: Back again! http://www.btinternet.com/~gplscrapyard I believe there's a switch in one of the .ini files you can activate to
disable these too, can't remember though :(
-John
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> "EldredP" wrote... > > <snip> > > Can you turn it off AFTER you've already started driving? Sometimes > > you want to see the chat messages, but you don't realize it's going > > to degenerate into a useless stream of garbage... > > I tape over the bit of screen where the messages appear with black > electrical insulation tape, as turning the in-car chat option off still > serves up the connect/disconnect messages. > > Jan. > =--- > >
EldredP wrote:
I don't think so.
> Sometimes you want
> to see the chat messages,
Ok, why?
Gerry
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> > In article <[email hidden]>, Gerry Aitken > <[email hidden]> writes: > > >David -- Just turn the in car chat off! Talk about shit like that AFTER > >the race. > > > > Can you turn it off AFTER you've already started driving?Steve Smith ([email hidden]) wrote on 21 Mar 2002:
<snip>
> BTW, thanks for the great pick-up race at Monza the other day!
Ditto.
--
"After all, a mere thousand yards... such a harmless little knoll,
really" - Raymond Mays on Shelsley Walsh.
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In article <[email hidden]>, Gerry Aitken
<[email hidden]> writes:
Pit in/pit out messages, info from the league admin, etc. I run in a league
that has a restart rule if a certain % of the field is involved in a first lap
crash. So, you'd need to see those messages. If people start yakking
needlessly later in the race, it would be nice to turn it off then...
Eldred
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>> Can you turn it off AFTER you've already started driving? > >I don't think so. > >> Sometimes you want >> to see the chat messages, > >Ok, why?
EldredP wrote:
I never found that 'op' 'pi' stuff of any use. If they come out badly,
you're fucked anyway.
> info from the league admin, etc. I run in a league
> that has a restart rule if a certain % of the field is involved in a first lap
> crash.
But how does it help to know the server will be reset? Surely you'll
find out in due course back at the chat screen?
> So, you'd need to see those messages.
Would you? Or is it that the host needs to see messages, is that what
you mean?
> If people start yakking
> needlessly later in the race, it would be nice to turn it off then...
Well unfortunately you can't. But I can't really agree that you need in
car chat on in the first place.
Cheers
Gerry
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> > In article <[email hidden]>, Gerry Aitken > <[email hidden]> writes: > > >> Can you turn it off AFTER you've already started driving? > > > >I don't think so. > > > >> Sometimes you want > >> to see the chat messages, > > > >Ok, why? > > Pit in/pit out messages,In article <[email hidden]>, Gerry Aitken
<[email hidden]> writes:
>> Pit in/pit out messages,
>
>I never found that 'op' 'pi' stuff of any use. If they come out badly,
>you're fucked anyway.
>
I've found it useful, as have others I run with. YMMV...<g>
Well, not a 'restart', per se. The first lap turns into a pace lap - the
leader slows for the remainder of the lap, and allows the other cars to catch
up. Racing commences again at the S/F line. Also, when we run races on oval
tracks, the first lap is DESIGNATER a pace lap, with a go signal being given
right before the leader crosses the line for lap 2.
What if you're in a league that allows pit stops, or mandates stop+go penalty
stops? It would be nice to know that the car you're on the gearbox of is about
to hit the brakes at a spot you're normally flat-out...
Eldred
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>> info from the league admin, etc. I run in a league >> that has a restart rule if a certain % of the field is involved in a first >lap >> crash. > >But how does it help to know the server will be reset? Surely you'll >find out in due course back at the chat screen?Quoted text (11 lines)
> >> So, you'd need to see those messages. > >Would you? Or is it that the host needs to see messages, is that what >you mean? > >> If people start yakking >> needlessly later in the race, it would be nice to turn it off then... > >Well unfortunately you can't. But I can't really agree that you need in >car chat on in the first place.
EldredP wrote:
Agreed, it would be useful in that context.
Gerry
