R.a.s. N2002 Race On For This Weekend?

Now that N2002 has been released outside the U.S. and Eldred has his server running and passworded, are we going to try and have a race this weekend? David G Fisher

On Fri, 22 Mar 2002 06:53:22 GMT, "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote: >Now that N2002 has been released outside the U.S. and Eldred has his server >running and passworded, are we going to try and have a race this weekend? > >David G Fisher It was released in Holland yesterday so yes, I can make it coming weekend. Andre

[email hidden] (Andre Warringa) writes:

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> On Fri, 22 Mar 2002 06:53:22 GMT, "David G Fisher" > <[email hidden]> wrote: > > >Now that N2002 has been released outside the U.S. and Eldred has his server > >running and passworded, are we going to try and have a race this weekend? > > > >David G Fisher > > It was released in Holland yesterday so yes, I can make it coming > weekend.

If we race on saturday :) I'll be on vacation in eastern europe from sunday :) -- Olav K. Malmin remove .spam when replying

I cant seem too get hold of N2002 yet... but *if* I do - I'll join in ! Whats the password btw? Or better yet, just add me to the Invite-list :) -- ed_ "Olav K. Malmin" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > [email hidden] (Andre Warringa) writes: > > > On Fri, 22 Mar 2002 06:53:22 GMT, "David G Fisher" > > <[email hidden]> wrote: > > > > >Now that N2002 has been released outside the U.S. and Eldred has his server > > >running and passworded, are we going to try and have a race this weekend? > > > > > >David G Fisher > > > > It was released in Holland yesterday so yes, I can make it coming > > weekend. > > If we race on saturday :) I'll be on vacation in eastern europe from > sunday :) > > -- > Olav K. Malmin > remove .spam when replying

Yeah add me too please. Mikkel Ed Solheim <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:3c9b0d67$[email hidden]...

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> I cant seem too get hold of N2002 yet... but *if* I do - I'll join in ! > > Whats the password btw? > > Or better yet, just add me to the Invite-list :) > > -- > ed_ > > > "Olav K. Malmin" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > [email hidden] (Andre Warringa) writes: > > > > > On Fri, 22 Mar 2002 06:53:22 GMT, "David G Fisher" > > > <[email hidden]> wrote: > > > > > > >Now that N2002 has been released outside the U.S. and Eldred has his > server > > > >running and passworded, are we going to try and have a race this > weekend? > > > > > > > >David G Fisher > > > > > > It was released in Holland yesterday so yes, I can make it coming > > > weekend. > > > > If we race on saturday :) I'll be on vacation in eastern europe from > > sunday :) > > > > -- > > Olav K. Malmin > > remove .spam when replying >

Depending on when you run.....I'll join in. We have rain out here this weekend....cancelled some stuff we had planned, so I have some free time coming up. Let me know/I'll keep checking r.a.s. too. I'd love to follow Ed, Dave and Andre around Sears Point? Tom "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:BxAm8.105284$[email hidden]... > Now that N2002 has been released outside the U.S. and Eldred has hisserver > running and passworded, are we going to try and have a race this weekend? > > David G Fisher > > >

On Fri, 22 Mar 2002 15:28:30 GMT, "Tom Pabst" <[email hidden]> wrote: >Depending on when you run.....I'll join in. We have rain out here this >weekend....cancelled some stuff we had planned, so I have some free time >coming up. Let me know/I'll keep checking r.a.s. too. I'd love to follow >Ed, Dave and Andre around Sears Point? > >Tom Sears would be great, love racing there. Still need some practice though, after 5 laps my tires are -gone- :) My first online race yesterday was actually surprisingly good, had some good racing on coca cola with a bunch of guys, constant drafting and three wide half of the time. There were a couple of morons on the track but thankfully we could avoid them. Andre

"Tom Pabst" : > Let me know/I'll keep checking r.a.s. too. I'd love to follow > Ed, Dave and Andre around Sears Point? Well if "they" hadn't screwed the track completely up I might have joined in.... (well add to the fact that I cannot get hold of N2002 yet :-( )... but I'm the Sears point we got in N4 (I assume N2002 isn't *that much* different (although it is updated)) isn't very fitting for the sim. Quite frankly - it sucks... I used to loved the old Sears Point in N2, but the new layout of the track and the physics of N4, just make me motion sick.. The track might be a blast - just not in N4. -- ed_

>"Ed Solheim" <[email hidden]> wrote > I used to loved the old Sears Point in N2, but the > new layout of the track and the physics of N4 LOL! I somehow think the same Ed. Yes, I know the track now is like it is in real-life, but I just prefer the old and less realistic layout there was in N2, it was more difficult before they "Bristolised" Sears Point ;) :( -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- http://www.ymenard.8m.com/ -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimato Dominguez Corporation - helping America into the New World...

Actually, N2K2 Sears is the best of the bunch (for driving accuracy)......except T7 is incorrect (Papy used an early mod config of it that was never built)....and the stupid Media Building included in N2K2...that was taken out in N3 because Sears tore it down. And the surrounding hills and trees coloring....what's new...Papy never does this correct. If I could find a mip/bmp converter that works on N2K2 mips....I'd fix all this stuff and post it. But so far....no dice. But I agree with all of you....the old N2 course with the original "sports car" config of the carousel.....it was pretty fun (also pretty easy to drive which SPR is NOT). As of two days ago.....Turn #1 has been completely changed (part of the new construction separating the drag strip launch pad from the road course)...you can see pics of this at the real-world Sears Point web site. I'm going to be driving the "new" track in a few days....I'll give you guys an update. Tom "ymenard" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:x3Lm8.24471$[email hidden]... > >"Ed Solheim" <[email hidden]> wrote > > I used to loved the old Sears Point in N2, but the > > new layout of the track and the physics of N4 > > > LOL! I somehow think the same Ed. Yes, I know the track now is like itis > in real-life, but I just prefer the old and less realistic layout therewas

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> in N2, it was more difficult before they "Bristolised" Sears Point ;) :( > > > > > > > -- > -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> > -- http://www.ymenard.8m.com/ > -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimato Dominguez > Corporation - helping America into the New World... > > >

On Fri, 22 Mar 2002 18:17:30 +0100, "Ed Solheim" <[email hidden]> wrote: >Well if "they" hadn't screwed the track completely up I might have joined Making a track more realistic isn't what I would call screwing up.. Andre

I'll race with you guys too. May I suggest that we all upload our car files to a thread in the RSC NASCAR forum so we can all see each other's rides. Phil Lee --- Racesim Central Administrator http://www.racesimcentral.com "Mikkel Gram-Hansen" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:3c9b2d11$0$88695$[email hidden]... > Yeah add me too please. > Mikkel >

"Phil Lee" wrote... > I'll race with you guys too. May I suggest that we all upload > our car files to a thread in the RSC NASCAR forum so we can all > see each other's rides. I received the game today... getting a personalized car is low on my list of priorities. ;-) Jan. =---

"They" does *not* refer to Papyrus, Andre... - but to the owners/managers of the track and NASCAR. The old version - with the carousel and the drag-stip was miles better than crap they got now. -- ed_ "Andre Warringa" wrote: > Making a track more realistic isn't what I would call screwing up..

In article <y4Im8.98106$q2.10250@sccrnsc01>, "Tom Pabst" <[email hidden]> writes: >Depending on when you run.....I'll join in. We have rain out here this >weekend....cancelled some stuff we had planned, so I have some free time >coming up. Let me know/I'll keep checking r.a.s. too. I'd love to follow >Ed, Dave and Andre around Sears Point? Since you guys seem to like Sears Point, I'll put that on the server. 50% race ok? I'll be busy so I won't run - I'm no good at that track anyway... Sunday - 1pm Eastern Eldred -- Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPLRank - under construction... Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

On Fri, 22 Mar 2002 23:15:03 GMT, "Ed Solheim" <[email hidden]> wrote: >"They" does *not* refer to Papyrus, Andre... - but to the owners/managers >of the track and NASCAR. Ah, ok, your statement makes more sense now :) Andre > >The old version - with the carousel and the drag-stip was miles better than >crap they got now.

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> In article <y4Im8.98106$q2.10250@sccrnsc01>, "Tom Pabst" <[email hidden]> > writes: > > >Depending on when you run.....I'll join in. We have rain out here this > >weekend....cancelled some stuff we had planned, so I have some free time > >coming up. Let me know/I'll keep checking r.a.s. too. I'd love to follow > >Ed, Dave and Andre around Sears Point? > > Since you guys seem to like Sears Point, I'll put that on the server. 50% race > ok? I'll be busy so I won't run - I'm no good at that track anyway... > Sunday - 1pm Eastern > > Eldred >

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"EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > In article <y4Im8.98106$q2.10250@sccrnsc01>, "Tom Pabst"<[email hidden]> > writes: > > >Depending on when you run.....I'll join in. We have rain out here this > >weekend....cancelled some stuff we had planned, so I have some free time > >coming up. Let me know/I'll keep checking r.a.s. too. I'd love tofollow > >Ed, Dave and Andre around Sears Point? > > Since you guys seem to like Sears Point, I'll put that on the server. 50%race > ok? I'll be busy so I won't run - I'm no good at that track anyway... > Sunday - 1pm Eastern > No Daytona? I've only done a handful of laps at Sears and didn't enjoy any of them. Maybe in a different type of race car. David G Fisher

"Phil Lee" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:s0Mm8.4960$[email hidden]... > I'll race with you guys too. May I suggest that we all upload our carfiles > to a thread in the RSC NASCAR forum so we can all see each other's rides. > > Phil Lee Just make sure the #19 Dodge is left Free and I'll be happy....Green/red...Dodge...what more do I need??? dave henrie

I have hundreds of TPTCC laps around the N2/N99/N3 Sears, but less than 3 or 4 on N4 and NONE on N2002. Methinks NOBODY will be following this dave around Sears. dave henrie "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:u7Sm8.360359$[email hidden]...

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> > "EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > In article <y4Im8.98106$q2.10250@sccrnsc01>, "Tom Pabst" > <[email hidden]> > > writes: > > > > >Depending on when you run.....I'll join in. We have rain out here this > > >weekend....cancelled some stuff we had planned, so I have some free

time > > >coming up. Let me know/I'll keep checking r.a.s. too. I'd love to > follow > > >Ed, Dave and Andre around Sears Point? > > > > Since you guys seem to like Sears Point, I'll put that on the server.50%

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> race > > ok? I'll be busy so I won't run - I'm no good at that track anyway... > > Sunday - 1pm Eastern > > > > No Daytona? > > I've only done a handful of laps at Sears and didn't enjoy any of them. > > Maybe in a different type of race car. > > David G Fisher > > >

On Sat, 23 Mar 2002 02:59:49 GMT, "Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> wrote: > I have hundreds of TPTCC laps around the N2/N99/N3 Sears, but less than 3 >or 4 on N4 and NONE on N2002. Methinks NOBODY will be following this dave >around Sears. What's up with SP in NR2002? Anyone else feel like they're driving on ice here? I thought at first Papy had screwed the track grip. But it's actually set higher than WG is. I know there is a lot of elevation change here that will make the car feel light. Still, I can't believe that the car would feel this way in real life. Tim Wortman North American Simulation Series www.nasscar.com

"Dave Henrie" wrote... > I have hundreds of TPTCC laps around the N2/N99/N3 Sears, but less > than 3 or 4 on N4 and NONE on N2002. Methinks NOBODY will be > following this dave around Sears. I'll be going in fairly cold too, having only ever run the GPL version. Jan. =---

"David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<BxAm8.105284$[email hidden]>... > Now that N2002 has been released outside the U.S. and Eldred has his server > running and passworded, are we going to try and have a race this weekend? Have we settled on a time/day for this yet? I vote for a 100% race at Bristol. =) Jason

Im the #13 RSC Pontiac Dave Henrie <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:39Sm8.105822$[email hidden]... > > "Phil Lee" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:s0Mm8.4960$[email hidden]... > > I'll race with you guys too. May I suggest that we all upload our car > files > > to a thread in the RSC NASCAR forum so we can all see each other'srides.

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> > > > Phil Lee > Just make sure the #19 Dodge is left Free and I'll be > happy....Green/red...Dodge...what more do I need??? > dave henrie > >

And I'm in the #22 RSC Ford. Phil "Mikkel Gram-Hansen" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:3c9c71a2$0$88686$[email hidden]... > Im the #13 RSC Pontiac >

"Ed Solheim" <[email hidden]> writes: > "Tom Pabst" : > > Let me know/I'll keep checking r.a.s. too. I'd love to follow > > Ed, Dave and Andre around Sears Point? > > Well if "they" hadn't screwed the track completely up I might have joined > in.... (well add to the fact that I cannot get hold of N2002 yet :-( )... Was downtown to ask for it today, but they didn't have it yet. They found it in some listings, but couldn't tell when it would arrive. Crap, I was hoping for some good racing next weekend. -- Olav K. Malmin remove .spam when replying

"Olav K. Malmin" > Was downtown to ask for it today, but they didn't have it yet. They > found it in some listings, but couldn't tell when it would > arrive. Crap, I was hoping for some good racing next weekend. but Olav, you'd be racing with us...not sure if we all qualify as good...;) dave henrie > -- > Olav K. Malmin > remove .spam when replying

"Olav K. Malmin" but Olav, you'd be racing with us...not sure if we all qualify as good...;) dave henrie

"Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> writes: > "Olav K. Malmin" > > Was downtown to ask for it today, but they didn't have it yet. They > > found it in some listings, but couldn't tell when it would > > arrive. Crap, I was hoping for some good racing next weekend. > > but Olav, you'd be racing with us...not sure if we all qualify as good...;) LOL! I'm going on vacation tomorrow morning and will be back next saturday. Hopefully I'll find a copy. -- Olav K. Malmin remove .spam when replying

Ahem, Ed. How many laps have you run on the real (current) Sears Point Track. Or, how many Winston Cup races have you attended there in the last few years? TV coverage doesn't always "tell the whole picture".....you know. From the standpoint of an "at race" fan.....this track is now one of the most spectacular road racing tracks in the entire world. From 90% of the current "seats" (or terrace seating locations) a fan can see the entire 2+ miles of the road racing circuit (can follow a race car around by sight)......but for about 100 feet of it if you sit up in the T2 terrace seats only. Look up just slightly from the track and you gaze out a nearly a 360 degree view of the Sonoma Wine country....North bay area of San Francisco. The "view" by itself....... is worth the price of admission......but you can't see this on TV. FIA officials visiting the track this winter....were blown away by what they saw. The track is now on their "possible" list of alternate tracks for a USAGP....or possibly a second USAGP race. So, I think your comment represents the viewpoint of an uninformed/misinformed person....IMHO. TP "Ed Solheim" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:XVOm8.14883$[email hidden]... > "They" does *not* refer to Papyrus, Andre... - but to the owners/managers > of the track and NASCAR. > > The old version - with the carousel and the drag-stip was miles betterthan

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> crap they got now. > > -- > ed_ > > > "Andre Warringa" wrote: > > > Making a track more realistic isn't what I would call screwing up.. > > >

Well.....I think Sears in N2k2 is the toughest track to drive in all of sim racing. But its just as tough in real-life....so N2K2 does a good job of simulating the frustration of racing at Sears Point Raceway.....ESPECIALLY...in a Winston Cup B'oat! I'd be glad to get in the practice session early and help anyone out who wants some tips on getting around the track. Also, the default setups are not very good.....makes the car feel like its running in the rain or on an "ice track." That's the fault of the setups....not the track or the sim. I think John Simmons has a very good handle on running at Sears too....and I'm sure he'd be glad to help anyone who wants it. If you pay attention to Darryl's "lesson"....he is pretty much spot-on with his "tips" for getting around Sears. The "line" he suggests is decent....and running practice laps with the racing line turned on....will help you immensely! Try to set your gearing as you are learning the track...so you use only three gears (2nd, 3rd and 4th)....and don't use 1st gear in T11. Here's another caveat of racing at Sears......don't be tempted to late brake into T11 (its the biggest mistake I see in online racing at Sears).........brake well before the start of the white line that demarks the pit road exit. You can get away with braking later than that (at the white line, for example)...but your margin of error is very small....and you will pay a huge "price" in your lap time if you miss you mark by a couple feet at best......or crumble yourself up in the tire wall in T11...at the worst. And, if you brake late perfectly......it only gives you about .1 secs....not worth the huge risk of missing a braking point by only two feet......IMHO. Setup suggestions (I have only worked on my set up for about an hour.....so its no where near worth giving it out....you can get close in a few "clicks"): Start with the "intermediate" setup (the "fast" is terrible..IMHO). Stiffen up all four corners to take the body roll out...and get the car sliding in the high-speed turns. Add two pounds tire pressure all around......then you will probably need to back these down a 1/2 pound per corner as you get dialed in. If you fudge the "left turn/right turn" bias....fudge towards right turns (there's more of those)....but ***don't give up too much speed*** down the main straight and up into T1 and T2......or you'll not like your race performance....but your lap times won't show you this until you race the AI (or me). I run the AI at 89%.....its about right for the lap times I'm running at Sears at this level of seat time and setup work. I turn race laps of mid 1:22's....usually qual at mid-1:21's......nothing special (pb is a 1:20.11). Want some extra help....follow Jeff Gordon in a race (just run an AI race...but don't get into your car). At race starts....brake early going up into T2.....leave lots of room on both sides......try to stay in the center of the track as you turn into T2.......and try to get sorted single file BEFORE getting into T2, even better! I know that's not totally realistic....but it will avoid "the big one" at race starts in online racing at Sears. You are not going to win the race on the first lap in any online race....and it is double-triple underlined....at Sears. Use caution following closely into T7....for the same reason. If you consider the general braking zone into that turn to begin about half-way down the short straight....you'll be prepared to avoid rear-ending your competitors. Just like Darryl says in the "lesson"....you'll be frustrated and hate Sears Point....at first......but keep practicing and working on your set up. All of a sudden....you'll "have it".....and when you get to this point...its one of the more rewarding experiences in sim racing......a really good accomplishment to be comfortable and competitive at Sears Point in N2K2. This track is not for beginners....or people that don't take their sim racing seriously. See you guys on Sunday. Tom *PS: Race time is 10:00 am Pacific Standard Time...??? just confirming. **PSS: I'm wondering if it might not be more fun.....since pretty much everyone is inexperienced at racing at Sears in N2K2....to do a series of shorter, "sprint" type races (say 20 laps)......with no damage and no yellows. Three or four of these races back to back..... might give everyone a better feel for racing at Sears.....and it takes the whole issue of tire wear and fuel consumption out of the equation. Unless everyone is really proficient racing at Sears.....we're just going to be parade of "yellow laps".....interspersed with a few racing laps....you know....running a 50% race? Not my idea of "fun racing with your buddies." "EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > In article <y4Im8.98106$q2.10250@sccrnsc01>, "Tom Pabst"<[email hidden]> > writes: > > >Depending on when you run.....I'll join in. We have rain out here this > >weekend....cancelled some stuff we had planned, so I have some free time > >coming up. Let me know/I'll keep checking r.a.s. too. I'd love tofollow > >Ed, Dave and Andre around Sears Point? > > Since you guys seem to like Sears Point, I'll put that on the server. 50%race

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> ok? I'll be busy so I won't run - I'm no good at that track anyway... > Sunday - 1pm Eastern > > Eldred > -- > Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 > Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett > GPLRank - under construction... > > Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats

you > with experience... > Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

How about not on Sundays? Sundays are for real NASCAR, maybe a Saturday RAS race? "EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > In article <y4Im8.98106$q2.10250@sccrnsc01>, "Tom Pabst"<[email hidden]> > writes: > > >Depending on when you run.....I'll join in. We have rain out here this > >weekend....cancelled some stuff we had planned, so I have some free time > >coming up. Let me know/I'll keep checking r.a.s. too. I'd love tofollow > >Ed, Dave and Andre around Sears Point? > > Since you guys seem to like Sears Point, I'll put that on the server. 50%race

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> ok? I'll be busy so I won't run - I'm no good at that track anyway... > Sunday - 1pm Eastern > > Eldred > -- > Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 > Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett > GPLRank - under construction... > > Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats

you > with experience... > Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

I've never had the chance to do either Tom... nor have I claimed so.. But all that's beside the point. What I'm talking about is I see/feel in N4.... Like I (think I) mentioned in one of my earlier posts - the track may be great in real life or with a proper racecar - it's just that in N4 an/or with these stockcars - it's utterly crap... Having said that, just because it's a nice place to attend races - dosn't automaticlly mean it's a good track... just look at the Bristol for example :-) As for a GP at Sears Point.... I seriously doubt that will ever happen.... (although I'd love to be proven wrong on this.) -- ed_ "Tom Pabst" <[email hidden]> skrev i melding news:_23n8.100526$702.21890@sccrnsc02... > Ahem, Ed. > > How many laps have you run on the real (current) Sears Point Track. Or, how > many Winston Cup races have you attended there in the last few years? TV > coverage doesn't always "tell the whole picture".....you know. From the > standpoint of an "at race" fan.....this track is now one of the most > spectacular road racing tracks in the entire world. From 90% of the current > "seats" (or terrace seating locations) a fan can see the entire 2+ miles of > the road racing circuit (can follow a race car around by sight)......but for > about 100 feet of it if you sit up in the T2 terrace seats only. Look up > just slightly from the track and you gaze out a nearly a 360 degree view of > the Sonoma Wine country....North bay area of San Francisco. The "view" by > itself....... is worth the price of admission......but you can't see this on > TV. FIA officials visiting the track this winter....were blown away by what > they saw. The track is now on their "possible" list of alternate tracks for > a USAGP....or possibly a second USAGP race. So, I think your comment > represents the viewpoint of an uninformed/misinformed person....IMHO. > > TP >

In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden] (jason moyer) writes: >Have we settled on a time/day for this yet? > >I vote for a 100% race at Bristol. =) The race was *supposed* to be at 1pm eastern on Sunday, but there are dissenting opinions. I'm currently just waiting for a consensus...<g> Eldred -- Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPLRank - under construction... Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

You have the power to control all things. Use it. :-) Can you set a Daytona race to follow the Sears Point race? David G Fisher "EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > In article <[email hidden]>,[email hidden]

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> (jason moyer) writes: > > >Have we settled on a time/day for this yet? > > > >I vote for a 100% race at Bristol. =) > > The race was *supposed* to be at 1pm eastern on Sunday, but there are > dissenting opinions. I'm currently just waiting for a consensus...<g> > > Eldred > -- > Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 > Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett > GPLRank - under construction... > > Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats

you > with experience... > Remove SPAM-OFF to reply. >

Ed... I would tend to agree with you on the N4 track......Sears wasn't too good (not modeled very well either.....even if it wasn't the new config). But, N2K2 is better ....and I think you'll like the new WC Chute. While its not better than the old carousel sports car course....its far better than the original WC Chute was. You might be pleasantly surprised at the N2K2 Sears? Another thing, the WC cars are not very nimble....and Sears is a track where "nimbleness" is at a premium. I really am anxious to get hold of a good sports car sim....with a properly modeled Sears Point......I think it might become a sim community "favorite"....at least for the road racers among us. I do know that not having been to a race track in real-life....steals some of the ability from my mind to imagine and enjoy racing on the sim track. This was made very clear to me last year....when I visited Silverstone for two days of F1 team testing....now the Silverstone track in F1-2001 is "alive" in my mind when I drive it......but the other tracks are still kind of "flat"....doesn't tweak my imagination very much when racing on them. Since I've driven Sears (obviously) and Watkins Glen quite a bit....that probably gives me an advantage for running them in N2K2......but not much of one. Sears Point is truly becoming a spectacular race track.......not only from a driver's standpoint (which it has pretty much always been), but from a fan's standpoint now with the new terracing and grandstands. How many road courses in the world at 2 + miles in length can say the fan can follow a car around the entire circuit......without losing site of the car (but for a couple brief instances as it passes a grandstand)? Not many. Then, with the fact that Sears is located up very high on a hillside (much like Bathurst)....the view for the fans of the surrounding horizon is very spectacular. Combine all of this....and the FIA guys were impressed. From a physical and marketing standpoint....there's nothing about the new Sears Point that would prevent an F1 race there now. However, politics in racing probably have a lot more to do with that ever happening.....than the track itself. So, I'd agree with you.....we'll probably never see an F1 race Sears. Hope to see you on the virtual Sears....tomorrow. It will be a blast to race with you guys.....even if I have to look at your butts all race long! Regards, Tom "Ed Solheim" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:e75n8.15167$[email hidden]... > I've never had the chance to do either Tom... nor have I claimed so..But > all that's beside the point. What I'm talking about is I see/feel inN4....

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> > Like I (think I) mentioned in one of my earlier posts - the track may be > great in real life or with a proper racecar - it's just that in N4 an/or > with these stockcars - it's utterly crap... > > Having said that, just because it's a nice place to attend races - dosn't > automaticlly mean it's a good track... just look at the Bristol for

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> (although I'd love to be proven wrong on this.) > > -- > ed_ > > > "Tom Pabst" <[email hidden]> skrev i melding > news:_23n8.100526$702.21890@sccrnsc02... > > Ahem, Ed. > > > > How many laps have you run on the real (current) Sears Point Track. Or, > how > > many Winston Cup races have you attended there in the last few years?

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> > coverage doesn't always "tell the whole picture".....you know. From the > > standpoint of an "at race" fan.....this track is now one of the most > > spectacular road racing tracks in the entire world. From 90% of the > current > > "seats" (or terrace seating locations) a fan can see the entire 2+ miles > of > > the road racing circuit (can follow a race car around by sight)......but > for > > about 100 feet of it if you sit up in the T2 terrace seats only. Look

up > > just slightly from the track and you gaze out a nearly a 360 degree view > of > > the Sonoma Wine country....North bay area of San Francisco. The "view"by > > itself....... is worth the price of admission......but you can't seethis

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> on > > TV. FIA officials visiting the track this winter....were blown away by > what > > they saw. The track is now on their "possible" list of alternate tracks > for > > a USAGP....or possibly a second USAGP race. So, I think your comment > > represents the viewpoint of an uninformed/misinformed person....IMHO. > > > > TP > > > >

"Tom Pabst" <[email hidden]> wrote > From the standpoint of an "at race" fan..... Well Tom, most of us here on r.a.s. really don't care about what fans think. We want a racetrack for the drivers, not the fans. I'm sorry, but the "Bristolised" Sears Point is a very boring track compared to the old, longer layout. > The track is now on their "possible" list of alternate tracks for a USAGP Won't ever happen. Yeah I can SO much see F1's doing sub-1minute laps at SP with absolutely no realistic safety zones for high velocity cars like Formula Ones. And don't tell me it's safe for F1 with whatever 100-line proof. It's BS, the track is not safe for F1. -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- http://www.ymenard.8m.com/ -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimato Dominguez Corporation - helping America into the New World...

>"Tom Pabst" <[email hidden]> wrote > I would tend to agree with you on the N4 track......Sears wasn't too good > (not modeled very well either.....even if it wasn't the new config). But, > N2K2 is better ....and I think you'll like the new WC Chute. While itsnot > better than the old carousel sports car course....its far better than the > original WC Chute was. You might be pleasantly surprised at the N2K2Sears? I actually prefer the old version Tom. It was fun to push the braking zone at the limit of the previous long right corner. I don't care if you could pass there or not, but the long right corner *was* a good corner before braking into the Chute. Now it's just two boring corners. > From a physical and marketing standpoint....there's nothing about the newSears > Point that would prevent an F1 race there now. There is much better tracks elsewhere in the USA, either from a safety POV or just the fact that they are longer and much better suited for F1. The layout of SP doesn't suit Formula Ones. It's not made for it, like you would not see NASCAR going around the Gilles Villeneuve circuit. -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- http://www.ymenard.8m.com/ -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimato Dominguez Corporation - helping America into the New World...

I've yet to get hold of N2002 so I'm afraid I wont be able to join the fun :( As for the new Sears layout and physics in N2002; Here's to hoping !! -- ed_

"Ed Solheim" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<e75n8.15167$[email hidden]>... > As for a GP at Sears Point.... I seriously doubt that will ever happen.... > (although I'd love to be proven wrong on this.) FIA did have success with their USGP Wests at Long Beach, so I wouldn't think it's too far fetched. It would definitely be an interesting track to drive an F1 car on. Also, why do you hate Bristol so much? I realize it sucks for pickup races but it's not too bad against the AI or in a league setting. Jason

I just spent my first hour and a half with this track and while I think it's an excellent track overall, and would probably be great to visit due to the setting and other reasons Tom described, I don't like it AT ALL with a NASCAR car. "Tedious" is the best word to describe the experience. WG isn't much better. It really is like steering a boat. Another type of car at SP would probably be a blast, but not a NASCAR car. Is a 1:24 a crap time? David G Fisher "ymenard" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:XF8n8.33002$[email hidden]... > "Tom Pabst" <[email hidden]> wrote > > From the standpoint of an "at race" fan..... > > > Well Tom, most of us here on r.a.s. really don't care about what fansthink. > We want a racetrack for the drivers, not the fans. I'm sorry, but the > "Bristolised" Sears Point is a very boring track compared to the old,longer > layout. > > > > > The track is now on their "possible" list of alternate tracks for aUSAGP > > > Won't ever happen. Yeah I can SO much see F1's doing sub-1minute laps atSP

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"jason moyer" wrote:: > > > As for a GP at Sears Point.... I seriously doubt that will everhappen.... > > (although I'd love to be proven wrong on this.) > > FIA did have success with their USGP Wests at Long Beach, so I > wouldn't think it's too far fetched. It would definitely be an > interesting track to drive an F1 car on. That was then - this is now... :-) Does Imola 1994 ring a bell? :-) > Also, why do you hate Bristol so much? I realize it sucks for pickup > races but it's not too bad against the AI or in a league setting. Did I ever say I hated Bristol? -- ed_

Down to a 1:22, but the track lesson said a 1:20 was a good lap. David G Fisher "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:t46n8.50021$[email hidden]...

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> You have the power to control all things. Use it. :-) > > Can you set a Daytona race to follow the Sears Point race? > > David G Fisher > > "EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > In article <[email hidden]>, > [email hidden] > > (jason moyer) writes: > > > > >Have we settled on a time/day for this yet? > > > > > >I vote for a 100% race at Bristol. =) > > > > The race was *supposed* to be at 1pm eastern on Sunday, but there are > > dissenting opinions. I'm currently just waiting for a consensus...<g> > > > > Eldred > > -- > > Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 > > Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett > > GPLRank - under construction... > > > > Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats > you > > with experience... > > Remove SPAM-OFF to reply. > > > > >

I agree with you, Francois.....but unfortunately, the WC drivers we had test three different versions of the track in our sims, disagreed with both of us. The config that was built (and mostly represented in N2K2....T7 is quite wrong in the sim, however) was the one they selected by vote (more than 30 drivers). The "results" from last year's race tends to support their decision as being a good one. But, from pure racing enjoyment....mod version #1 was my favorite....it turned the entire WC Chute....from T3a to the entry of the esses (T8) into a 9 degree banked, sweeping, downhill, right-hand turn much like T9 at the old Riverside Raceway track. Top speed in the turn was over 140mph in the sim.....it was a blast and it was 60 feet wide so you could pass at will in the turn. But, the team crew chief's voted it down....they were fearful of the high speeds the drivers were carrying into the top of the esses....and they were right. Tom "ymenard" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:ML8n8.33017$[email hidden]... > >"Tom Pabst" <[email hidden]> wrote > > I would tend to agree with you on the N4 track......Sears wasn't toogood > > (not modeled very well either.....even if it wasn't the new config).But, > > N2K2 is better ....and I think you'll like the new WC Chute. While its > not > > better than the old carousel sports car course....its far better thanthe > > original WC Chute was. You might be pleasantly surprised at the N2K2 > Sears? > > I actually prefer the old version Tom. It was fun to push the brakingzone

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Dang...! "Ed Solheim" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:sO8n8.15341$[email hidden]...

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> I've yet to get hold of N2002 so I'm afraid I wont be able to join the fun > :( > > As for the new Sears layout and physics in N2002; > > Here's to hoping !! > > -- > ed_ > > >

"ymenard" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<XF8n8.33002$[email hidden]>... > Won't ever happen. Yeah I can SO much see F1's doing sub-1minute laps at SP > with absolutely no realistic safety zones for high velocity cars like > Formula Ones. And don't tell me it's safe for F1 with whatever 100-line > proof. It's BS, the track is not safe for F1. Which turns do you think would pose a problem for F1? The only one I could think of as a problem was T7 (assuming that was the flat-out righthand sweeper that was changed) but that's been tightened and there's a long paved runoff area (which is good since FIA has determined that paved runoff areas are safer than grass or sand). Since FIA bases dangerous corners on G-forces I don't think SP would be a problem. I think it would generate a big traffic jam with all of the slow corners but the elevation changes are definitely more interesting than anything currently on the F1 calendar. Jason

Francois.... First of all, "when you can have both a driver's track and a fan's track"......you have a winner that will simply see more racing, bigger events and more accessibility to us all (better sim reproduction as well....any developer's sim ever screw up Talladega or Daytona?). Next....the "bristol-ization" of Sears.....as you call it......wasn't the reason the course was changed. The WC course was changed nearly 5 years ago. The terracing and "stadium" seating wasn't even conceptualized until two years ago. The two are not related in any way, shape or form! The primary reason for this was the fact that the way the "lay of the land" was....you couldn't get more than a few hundred "fans" into the area represented by T5 through T6 (the carousel) and that meant that nearly 1/3rd of the track was raced on with no one (or very few) being able to see it. The cars would disappear into this area, come out 30 seconds later.....and you had no idea what happened while they were out of sight. That is primarily why the WC Chute concept was first developed. It had nothing to do with the later "stadium seating" that evolved. You are probably not the only one confused about this fact. Tom "ymenard" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:XF8n8.33002$[email hidden]... > "Tom Pabst" <[email hidden]> wrote > > From the standpoint of an "at race" fan..... > > > Well Tom, most of us here on r.a.s. really don't care about what fansthink. > We want a racetrack for the drivers, not the fans. I'm sorry, but the > "Bristolised" Sears Point is a very boring track compared to the old,longer > layout. > > > > > The track is now on their "possible" list of alternate tracks for aUSAGP > > > Won't ever happen. Yeah I can SO much see F1's doing sub-1minute laps atSP

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>"jason moyer" <[email hidden]> wrote > Which turns do you think would pose a problem for F1? The only one I > could think of as a problem was T7 (assuming that was the flat-out > righthand sweeper that was changed) but that's been tightened and > there's a long paved runoff area (which is good since FIA has > determined that paved runoff areas are safer than grass or sand). > Since FIA bases dangerous corners on G-forces I don't think SP would > be a problem. I think it would generate a big traffic jam with all of > the slow corners but the elevation changes are definitely more > interesting than anything currently on the F1 calendar.

I'm talking mostly about the safety around the track, not the road itself. The layout is ok (while way too short), but the run-off areas and safety zones are made for Stock-cars, not F1's. The last corner is *way* too dangerous, considering they would be coming extremely fast in the pit complex. The run-off area is just not appropriate (if you can call this a run-off area hehe), it would need to be run with the chicane in the corner before that I think the bikes take to cut down the speed into the last corner. -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- http://www.ymenard.8m.com/ -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimato Dominguez Corporation - helping America into the New World...

>"Tom Pabst" <[email hidden]> wrote > I agree with you, Francois.....but unfortunately, the WC drivers we hadtest > three different versions of the track in our sims, disagreed with both of > us. The config that was built (and mostly represented in N2K2....T7 is > quite wrong in the sim, however) was the one they selected by vote (more > than 30 drivers). Yeah well that's not a big problem, it's just my opinion here no? They didn't like the corner, I liked it ;) > The "results" from last year's race tends to support their decision asbeing > a good one. But, from pure racing enjoyment....mod version #1 was my > favorite....it turned the entire WC Chute....from T3a to the entry of the > esses (T8) into a 9 degree banked, sweeping, downhill, right-hand turnmuch > like T9 at the old Riverside Raceway track. Top speed in the turn wasover > 140mph in the sim.....it was a blast and it was 60 feet wide so you could > pass at will in the turn. But, the team crew chief's voted itdown....they > were fearful of the high speeds the drivers were carrying into the top of > the esses....and they were right. Yes it would had been similar to the old layout, exiting the long sweeping downhill left hander into the end portion of the drag strip, but reversed and 180 degrees :) That would had been good, but it would had been "Bristolised" a little too much at my taste. It's already too simple as it is now. -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- http://www.ymenard.8m.com/ -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimato Dominguez Corporation - helping America into the New World...

David... 1:24's is not "blazing"....but its a good time if you can run that lap time consistently, lap after lap in race trim and traffic. I can run consistent 1:21's and 22's - race laps. I just got off the phone with George Sandman....while writing this reply.....he's running 1:18's.....but he's an "alien"......lol.... Dang, George is fast! Tom "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:g_9n8.385064$[email hidden]... > I just spent my first hour and a half with this track and while I thinkit's > an excellent track overall, and would probably be great to visit due tothe > setting and other reasons Tom described, I don't like it AT ALL with a > NASCAR car. "Tedious" is the best word to describe the experience. WGisn't

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> much better. It really is like steering a boat. > > Another type of car at SP would probably be a blast, but not a NASCAR car. > > Is a 1:24 a crap time? > > David G Fisher > > "ymenard" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:XF8n8.33002$[email hidden]... > > "Tom Pabst" <[email hidden]> wrote > > > From the standpoint of an "at race" fan..... > > > > > > Well Tom, most of us here on r.a.s. really don't care about what fans > think. > > We want a racetrack for the drivers, not the fans. I'm sorry, but the > > "Bristolised" Sears Point is a very boring track compared to the old, > longer > > layout. > > > > > > > > > The track is now on their "possible" list of alternate tracks for a > USAGP > > > > > > Won't ever happen. Yeah I can SO much see F1's doing sub-1minute laps

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You guys....you are still "thinking" of the old (older) track.....what the FIA saw was the new track. None of you have seen it unless you've been to Sears in the last 5 days....its just been paved. Tom "ymenard" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:9gcn8.27838$[email hidden]...

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> >"jason moyer" <[email hidden]> wrote > > Which turns do you think would pose a problem for F1? The only one I > > could think of as a problem was T7 (assuming that was the flat-out > > righthand sweeper that was changed) but that's been tightened and > > there's a long paved runoff area (which is good since FIA has > > determined that paved runoff areas are safer than grass or sand). > > Since FIA bases dangerous corners on G-forces I don't think SP would > > be a problem. I think it would generate a big traffic jam with all of > > the slow corners but the elevation changes are definitely more > > interesting than anything currently on the F1 calendar. > > I'm talking mostly about the safety around the track, not the road itself. > The layout is ok (while way too short), but the run-off areas and safety > zones are made for Stock-cars, not F1's. > > The last corner is *way* too dangerous, considering they would be coming > extremely fast in the pit complex. The run-off area is just not

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I wnet back after a break (always helps) and I posted here in the wrong part of this thread at 9:30 that I did a 1:22. Still way off, but getting better. I basically just watched the track lesson and memorized the speeds they showed we could run at the various sections. David G Fisher "Tom Pabst" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:qncn8.103247$702.22272@sccrnsc02... > David... > > 1:24's is not "blazing"....but its a good time if you can run that laptime > consistently, lap after lap in race trim and traffic. I can runconsistent > 1:21's and 22's - race laps. I just got off the phone with George > Sandman....while writing this reply.....he's running 1:18's.....but he'san

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> "alien"......lol.... Dang, George is fast! > > Tom > > > "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:g_9n8.385064$[email hidden]... > > I just spent my first hour and a half with this track and while I think > it's > > an excellent track overall, and would probably be great to visit due to > the > > setting and other reasons Tom described, I don't like it AT ALL with a > > NASCAR car. "Tedious" is the best word to describe the experience. WG > isn't > > much better. It really is like steering a boat. > > > > Another type of car at SP would probably be a blast, but not a NASCAR

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> > > > Is a 1:24 a crap time? > > > > David G Fisher > > > > "ymenard" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:XF8n8.33002$[email hidden]... > > > "Tom Pabst" <[email hidden]> wrote > > > > From the standpoint of an "at race" fan..... > > > > > > > > > Well Tom, most of us here on r.a.s. really don't care about what fans > > think. > > > We want a racetrack for the drivers, not the fans. I'm sorry, but the > > > "Bristolised" Sears Point is a very boring track compared to the old, > > longer > > > layout. > > > > > > > > > > > > > The track is now on their "possible" list of alternate tracks for a > > USAGP > > > > > > > > > Won't ever happen. Yeah I can SO much see F1's doing sub-1minute laps > at > > SP > > > with absolutely no realistic safety zones for high velocity cars like > > > Formula Ones. And don't tell me it's safe for F1 with whatever

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Worked on a setup and got down to 1:21. I still think I'm going to get in some people's way tomorrow. David G Fisher "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:dQcn8.225899$[email hidden]... > I wnet back after a break (always helps) and I posted here in the wrongpart > of this thread at 9:30 that I did a 1:22. Still way off, but gettingbetter.

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> I basically just watched the track lesson and memorized the speeds they > showed we could run at the various sections. > > David G Fisher > > "Tom Pabst" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:qncn8.103247$702.22272@sccrnsc02... > > David... > > > > 1:24's is not "blazing"....but its a good time if you can run that lap > time > > consistently, lap after lap in race trim and traffic. I can run > consistent > > 1:21's and 22's - race laps. I just got off the phone with George > > Sandman....while writing this reply.....he's running 1:18's.....but he's > an > > "alien"......lol.... Dang, George is fast! > > > > Tom > > > > > > "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:g_9n8.385064$[email hidden]... > > > I just spent my first hour and a half with this track and while I

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> > the > > > setting and other reasons Tom described, I don't like it AT ALL with a > > > NASCAR car. "Tedious" is the best word to describe the experience. WG > > isn't > > > much better. It really is like steering a boat. > > > > > > Another type of car at SP would probably be a blast, but not a NASCAR > car. > > > > > > Is a 1:24 a crap time? > > > > > > David G Fisher > > > > > > "ymenard" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > news:XF8n8.33002$[email hidden]... > > > > "Tom Pabst" <[email hidden]> wrote > > > > > From the standpoint of an "at race" fan..... > > > > > > > > > > > > Well Tom, most of us here on r.a.s. really don't care about what

fans > > > think. > > > > We want a racetrack for the drivers, not the fans. I'm sorry, butthe > > > > "Bristolised" Sears Point is a very boring track compared to theold, > > > longer > > > > layout. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The track is now on their "possible" list of alternate tracks fora > > > USAGP > > > > > > > > > > > > Won't ever happen. Yeah I can SO much see F1's doing sub-1minutelaps > > at > > > SP > > > > with absolutely no realistic safety zones for high velocity carslike

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> > > > Formula Ones. And don't tell me it's safe for F1 with whatever > 100-line > > > > proof. It's BS, the track is not safe for F1. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> > > > > -- http://www.ymenard.8m.com/ > > > > -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimato Dominguez > > > > Corporation - helping America into the New World... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

"David G Fisher" wrote... > Worked on a setup and got down to 1:21. I still think I'm > going to get in some people's way tomorrow. Not as badly as I will.... 1m26.8s. Not a problem, provided you guys don't press the issue in silly places. Jan. =---

"Phil Lee" wrote... > And I'm in the #22 RSC Ford. > Silly question perhaps, but does it make any difference which brand one pics (Ford, Chevy, Dodge, Pontiac)? -Can't seem to find how to change the chassis for the player car (#83 Papyrus) or is it all just a graphical difference now? I'll have the #17 DeWalt Ford for the race later, if that's ok. Jan. =---

>Have we settled on a time/day for this yet? > >I vote for a 100% race at Bristol. =) > Boy, I'd like to see the chat log after THAT one...<g> Eldred -- Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPLRank - under construction... Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

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>*PS: Race time is 10:00 am Pacific Standard Time...??? just confirming. > >**PSS: I'm wondering if it might not be more fun.....since pretty much >everyone is inexperienced at racing at Sears in N2K2....to do a series of >shorter, "sprint" type races (say 20 laps)......with no damage and no >yellows. Three or four of these races back to back..... might give everyone >a better feel for racing at Sears.....and it takes the whole issue of tire >wear and fuel consumption out of the equation. Unless everyone is really >proficient racing at Sears.....we're just going to be parade of "yellow >laps".....interspersed with a few racing laps....you know....running a 50% >race? Not my idea of "fun racing with your buddies." >

Ok, Sears Point - 15% race(17 laps) with 30 min. practice starting at 1pm Eastern. It *should* run a second race right after that with 10 minutes practice. We'll see... Password is "ras". Eldred -- Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPLRank - under construction... Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

"Jan Verschueren" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Silly question perhaps, but does it make any difference which brand onepics > (Ford, Chevy, Dodge, Pontiac)? -Can't seem to find how to change thechassis > for the player car (#83 Papyrus) or is it all just a graphical difference > now? > > I'll have the #17 DeWalt Ford for the race later, if that's ok. > > Jan. Not a silly question at all. In real life, the car make does make a difference. As far as I can tell, in N2002, there is no performance difference between the different car makes. I may be wrong of course. Maybe Eric Busch can give us a definitive answer. Eric, are you out there? Phil --- Racesim Central Administrator http://www.racesimcentral.com

On Sun, 24 Mar 2002 01:29:48 GMT, "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>I just spent my first hour and a half with this track and while I think it's >an excellent track overall, and would probably be great to visit due to the >setting and other reasons Tom described, I don't like it AT ALL with a >NASCAR car. "Tedious" is the best word to describe the experience. WG isn't >much better. It really is like steering a boat. > >Another type of car at SP would probably be a blast, but not a NASCAR car. > >Is a 1:24 a crap time? > >David G Fisher

To be frank that's not too fast, my quali times are in the 19s and racing laps are between 20-22. And I think like with every track Sears only becomes fun when you are starting to drive on the limit.. those first two lefthanders are great fun when you slide through them, barely avoiding that wall on the left side, and you can take those esses allmost at full speed, using all of the curbs. Andre

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> "David G Fisher" wrote... > > Worked on a setup and got down to 1:21. I still think I'm > > going to get in some people's way tomorrow. > > Not as badly as I will.... 1m26.8s. Not a problem, provided you guys don't > press the issue in silly places. > > Jan. > =---

Jan Watch the driving lesson on Sears Point. It really helped me to reduce my lap times from 1:24's to 1:22's and a single mid 1:21. Cheers Phil --- Racesim Central Administrator http://www.racesimcentral.com

I work most Saturdays Schoon.... dang Postal Service ....:) Sunday Morning, the earlier the better, to A: avoid conflict with my Cart league late Sunday Afternoon, and B: to avoid conflict with my family who only seem to 'need' me when I'm racing. dave henrie "Schooner" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:hH4n8.2317$[email hidden]... > How about not on Sundays? > Sundays are for real NASCAR, maybe a Saturday RAS race?

Eldred... I'm not familiar with your "server".....what name do you run it under and how many drivers can it handle with N2K2? Thanks for doing this, man....its way cool. Sorry you'll not be running with us, though! Regards, Tom "EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > >*PS: Race time is 10:00 am Pacific Standard Time...??? just confirming. > > > >**PSS: I'm wondering if it might not be more fun.....since pretty much > >everyone is inexperienced at racing at Sears in N2K2....to do a series of > >shorter, "sprint" type races (say 20 laps)......with no damage and no > >yellows. Three or four of these races back to back..... might giveeveryone > >a better feel for racing at Sears.....and it takes the whole issue oftire > >wear and fuel consumption out of the equation. Unless everyone is really > >proficient racing at Sears.....we're just going to be parade of "yellow > >laps".....interspersed with a few racing laps....you know....running a50%

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> >race? Not my idea of "fun racing with your buddies." > > > > Ok, Sears Point - 15% race(17 laps) with 30 min. practice starting at 1pm > Eastern. It *should* run a second race right after that with 10 minutes > practice. We'll see... > Password is "ras". > Eldred > -- > Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 > Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett > GPLRank - under construction... > > Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats

you > with experience... > Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

Guys... I'm looking forward to racing with all of you at Sears.....should be a blast and a few "giggles" thrown in for a bonus! I wanted to tell everyone that I can't "chat" once I'm in the race. I run N2K2 in an enclosed cockpit and its still **under construction** so I've not rigged a second keyboard in it yet for typing (the keyboard sits upright...behind the wheel and to the right)...nearly impossible to chat but for "hunt and peck" through the spokes of the wheel...sort of). I didn't want you guys to think I was being rude......not chatting with you between races. Ed, sorry you are not going to make it....honestly. From the looks of the lap times being reported by a few who've been practicing.....looks like its going to be a fun and competitive race. Except for George Sandman....everyone is in the same window of race speeds at Sears. That's cool. Later... Tom "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:BxAm8.105284$[email hidden]... > Now that N2002 has been released outside the U.S. and Eldred has hisserver > running and passworded, are we going to try and have a race this weekend? > > David G Fisher > > >

"Tom Pabst" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:cg7n8.97732$[email hidden]... > Ed... > > Another thing, the WC cars are not very nimble....and Sears is a trackwhere > "nimbleness" is at a premium. I really am anxious to get hold of agood > sports car sim....with a properly modeled Sears Point......I think itmight > become a sim community "favorite"....at least for the road racersamong us. > Looks like Pro Race Driver will have Sears Point in it.

"David G Fisher" > Another type of car at SP would probably be a blast, but not a NASCAR car. > > Is a 1:24 a crap time? > > David G Fisher Well after extensive testing,(3 laps :> ) I can now say that we'd better make the race very very short or I will be in EVERYONE's way. dave henrie

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>"Tom Pabst" <[email hidden]> wrote > Next....the "bristol-ization" of Sears.....as you call it......wasn't the > reason the course was changed. The WC course was changed nearly 5 years > ago. The terracing and "stadium" seating wasn't even conceptualized until > two years ago. The two are not related in any way, shape or form! The > primary reason for this was the fact that the way the "lay of the land" > was....you couldn't get more than a few hundred "fans" into the area > represented by T5 through T6 (the carousel) and that meant that nearly

1/3rd > of the track was raced on with no one (or very few) being able to see it. > The cars would disappear into this area, come out 30 seconds later.....and > you had no idea what happened while they were out of sight. That is > primarily why the WC Chute concept was first developed. It had nothing to > do with the later "stadium seating" that evolved. I'm sorry, but you don't go to a road course and expect to see all or most of the track. That's why I call it "Bristolised". They are doing everything so that people can see the full track. They destroyed the nature of the course already so the ADD Nascar fans can see more than 1 corner. Everywhere around the world, you don't have this. Why? Because, real motorsport fans don't assume to see more then ONE corner when they go to a road course. -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- http://www.ymenard.8m.com/ -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimato Dominguez Corporation - helping America into the New World...

On Sun, 24 Mar 2002 17:25:13 GMT, "Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> wrote: >> David G Fisher > Well after extensive testing,(3 laps :> ) I can now say that we'd >better make the race very very short or I will be in EVERYONE's way. >dave henrie Nah you weren't. Every time I saw you, you had your car parked in one of the sandtraps, safely out of everyone's way :)) Andre

In article <t46n8.50021$[email hidden]>, "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> writes: >You have the power to control all things. Use it. :-) > >Can you set a Daytona race to follow the Sears Point race? Sorry - I didn't see this until just now... Looks like you guys had fun, though.<g> Eldred -- Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPLRank - under construction... Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

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> On Sun, 24 Mar 2002 17:25:13 GMT, "Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> > wrote: > > >> David G Fisher > > Well after extensive testing,(3 laps :> ) I can now say that we'd > >better make the race very very short or I will be in EVERYONE's way. > >dave henrie > > Nah you weren't. Every time I saw you, you had your car parked in one > of the sandtraps, safely out of everyone's way :)) > > Andre

Thats because I can read the F2 leaderboard... "Damn! somebody's 23 seconds behind, I'd better pull over before he's right on top of me..." seriously, I locked up twice during the laps I managed to get in....I did keep you insight for about 3/4ths of a lap but when the Sandman passed me he was gone in two turns..hehehe. If Tom P is reading this...on the first lap on the last straight I locked up ...he/you were right behind me...what did my online car do when my system froze.?? dave henrie

I hope you guys had a blast and I hope to make the next race... (am looking at getting N2002 from Sweden at the moment..) One last thing - does anyone have the results from the race? Pref. one displaying qual-times and # of cautions. -- ed_

Tom Pabst wrote: > > Dang...! Yeah, the Norwegian distributor has fucked up.....again, he did the same to us last year with N4 Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy "The Pits" http://www.theuspits.com/ "Animation isn't the illusion of life; it is life" --Chuck Jones (1912-2002)--

> Dang...! Yeah, the Norwegian distributor has ***ed up.....again, he did the same to us last year with N4 Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy "The Pits" http://www.theuspits.com/ "Animation isn't the illusion of life; it is life" --Chuck Jones (1912-2002)--

Yea, it was very cool to finally race people (as opposed to the pick up races) who you could trust to race realistically. I had confidence that the other drivers had skill, awareness, and good judgement and that makes a HUGE difference in the way you approach the racing. In the pickup races you end up just trying to survive. Thanks again for the server and hopefully you'll be able to make the next races. David G Fisher "EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> In article <t46n8.50021$[email hidden]>, "David G > Fisher" <[email hidden]> writes: > > >You have the power to control all things. Use it. :-) > > > >Can you set a Daytona race to follow the Sears Point race? > > Sorry - I didn't see this until just now... Looks like you guys had fun, > though.<g> > > Eldred > -- > Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 > Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett > GPLRank - under construction... > > Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats

you > with experience... > Remove SPAM-OFF to reply. >

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> > I hope you guys had a blast and I hope to make the next race... (am looking > at getting N2002 from Sweden at the moment..) > > One last thing - does anyone have the results from the race? > Pref. one displaying qual-times and # of cautions. > > -- > ed_

Yellows were turned off, so no cautions. I had a blast. Gary

In article <WBln8.119203$[email hidden]>, "Tom Pabst" <[email hidden]> writes:

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>Eldred... > >I'm not familiar with your "server".....what name do you run it under and >how many drivers can it handle with N2K2? > >Thanks for doing this, man....its way cool. Sorry you'll not be running >with us, though! > >Regards, > >Tom

Sorry - I'm just getting caught up on messages. I've been under the weather... The N2k2 servers are ep_server1 and ep_server2. I've seen races host as many as 30=35 drivers when I ran it 'open'. If there's a password set, it's usually "ras". I may have some races in the rotation that are open, just to get more people in them. I just started it up again for the night - it's looping 6 different tracks, IIRC... You're welcome! Eldred -- Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPLRank - under construction... Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.