Project Gotham / GT3

Does anyone rate the Xbox then? Just wondered - buying a PS2 or an Xbox looks a damn sight better bet than replacing my PC. Steve

I have never played any of the GT games, but I git a chance to play Gotham racing on the X box. It was fun, but very much Need for Speed-ish. Not by any strech a true sim. I was still fun to play, and got better the more beers we downed. Launch the mini over the stairs was a blast. MadDAWG

I'd go for the X-Box. Project Gotham and the Rally game (can't remember the name) are FUN ;) I tried both the PS2 and the X-box this weekend and the X-Box won big time... As soon as I had the chance I hooked it up and played Project Gotham the rest of the night... the PS2 collected dust in the corner. I hope RaceSimCentral will be able to feature some reviews on the X-Box games soon ... written by hardcore GPL drivers, should be interesting. Mikkel Gram-Hansen -- Administrator http://www.racesimcentral.com Steven Crook-Dawkins <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:a7d726$46p$[email hidden]... > Does anyone rate the Xbox then? > > Just wondered - buying a PS2 or an Xbox looks a damn sight > better bet than replacing my PC. > > Steve > >

On Thu, 21 Mar 2002 19:46:34 +0100, "Mikkel Gram-Hansen" <[email hidden]> wrote: >I tried both the PS2 and the X-box this weekend and the X-Box won big >time... As soon as I had the chance I hooked it up and played Project Gotham >the rest of the night... the PS2 collected dust in the corner. For me the reverse is true. I own both consoles, and the only ones really worth my gameplay time on the XBox are Halo and Rallisport Challenge. Those two are awesome, but two games does not a system make. Get a PS2 today, or wait a while until there are more great XBox games.

I have the xbox and have played the PS2, plus I just upgraded the PC. Here's your criteria for an upgrade: 1. Do you primarily play racing&flight sims/do office work? 2. Do you primarily play sports/arcade racers/adventure/shooters? 3. Do you like both? If your answer is #1, get the pc upgraded. If two, then get a console. I prefer the xbox, I think its got better graphics, gameplay. If three, then get both :) Phillip "Steven Crook-Dawkins" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:a7d726$46p$[email hidden]...

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> Does anyone rate the Xbox then? > > Just wondered - buying a PS2 or an Xbox looks a damn sight > better bet than replacing my PC. > > Steve > >

Since I've got an X, I haven't even looked at the PC for games. I have a good PC too. Something about a big screen, a couch and surround sound just does it. "Steven Crook-Dawkins" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:a7d726$46p$[email hidden]... : Does anyone rate the Xbox then? : : Just wondered - buying a PS2 or an Xbox looks a damn sight : better bet than replacing my PC. : : Steve : :

Something about only 340,000 pixels (NTSC) doesn't...for me. "PositiveG" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:Haum8.149$[email hidden]... > Since I've got an X, I haven't even looked at the PC for games. > I have a good PC too. > Something about a big screen, a couch and surround sound just does it. > > > "Steven Crook-Dawkins" <[email hidden]> wrote inmessage

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> news:a7d726$46p$[email hidden]... > : Does anyone rate the Xbox then? > : > : Just wondered - buying a PS2 or an Xbox looks a damn sight > : better bet than replacing my PC. > : > : Steve > : > : > >

GT3 on PS2 is fun to me (very addicting). I love buying parts, racing to win money to buy more parts, etc.. I haven't seen enough of the XBox to compare the two though. Todd Wasson --- Performance Simulations Drag Racing and Top Speed Prediction Software http://PerformanceSimulations.Com My little car sim screenshots: http://performancesimulations.com/scnshot4.htm

"PositiveG" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:Haum8.149$[email hidden]... > Since I've got an X, I haven't even looked at the PC for games. > I have a good PC too. > Something about a big screen, a couch and surround sound just does it. Me too, but as a Dreamcast owner, my X-box hasn't really been anything other than deja-vu. The X-box is basically a Dreamcast 1.5 e.g Project Gotham = Metropolis Street Racer 2 DOA3 = DOA2 (with slightly prettier backgrounds.) Wreckless = 30fps Crazy Taxi - ugh! Halo = 30fps joypad FPS - yikes! Rallysport Challenge = quite good, but too 'simple' compared to Rally Trophy etc.

Tend to agree. The Xbox is just a stalking horse for MS's "home appliance", i.e., so close to a PC, why bother? MS had to threaten dire consequences if their s/w suppliers didn't line up behind it (e.g., Halo). I'm surprised their online component is still chocked. The GC is too juvenile, altho my 9-year-old loves the selection of titles. I think Sony owns the sweetspot. (I see they just launched a "strategic partnership" with nVidia. I also see MS is thinking abt. ending their relationship w. nVidia.) And I see rumors that both the PS2 and the Xbox may come down to GC's pricepoint by Xmas. Interesting times for console enthusiasts.... But like I say, NTSC graphics (barely equal to VGA) is just too chunky for this monkey. "Damien Smith" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:a7fgf5$klkfv$[email hidden]...

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> than deja-vu. The X-box is basically a Dreamcast 1.5 > e.g > Project Gotham = Metropolis Street Racer 2 > DOA3 = DOA2 (with slightly prettier backgrounds.) > Wreckless = 30fps Crazy Taxi - ugh! > Halo = 30fps joypad FPS - yikes! > Rallysport Challenge = quite good, but too 'simple' compared to Rally

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> Tend to agree. The Xbox is just a stalking horse for MS's "homeappliance", > i.e., so close to a PC, why bother? MS had to threaten dire consequencesif > their s/w suppliers didn't line up behind it (e.g., Halo). I'm surprised > their online component is still chocked. The GC is too juvenile, altho my > 9-year-old loves the selection of titles. I think Sony owns thesweetspot. > (I see they just launched a "strategic partnership" with nVidia. I alsosee > MS is thinking abt. ending their relationship w. nVidia.) And I seerumors > that both the PS2 and the Xbox may come down to GC's pricepoint by Xmas. > Interesting times for console enthusiasts.... Sony owns the sweetspot? I'm not blown away by the X-box, but I'd still consider it better value for money even if it were twice the price of a PS2. -- Damien Smith [email hidden] ICQ: 77028579 F12001 rank: +21.468

I own them both, and I buy more games for the PS2 than my xbox, simply because there are currently more good games available for the ps2. The gap is narrowing,but I still think that the ps2 will always hold a narrow edge in available games for choice, principally because of a better relationship with japanese game developers. Some Xbox games look a bit better , but it is not a huge difference. It's about on par with the difference between Dreamcast games and PS2 games, which is generally not huge, and in a few cases favors the Dreamcast version of a game, i.e. Lemans 24 hour Racing. For the present I would favor the PS2 if you can only choose one, simply because of the huge software library, and the fact that ,aside from far better antialiasing of XBOX games, there is not a huge difference in graphics. If you are looking further down the line into the future, then the XBOX may be a slightly better choice, but not by as much as fans of either console would have you think. Its more akin to having a Geforce 3 versus a new geforce 4. Both are excellent, make your software choice the deciding factor. "Steven Crook-Dawkins" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:a7d726$46p$[email hidden]...

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> Does anyone rate the Xbox then? > > Just wondered - buying a PS2 or an Xbox looks a damn sight > better bet than replacing my PC. > > Steve > > >

Well the day you can run 1600x1200 on a 61 inch PC monitor, you let me know! 10 feet away, it looks as good as 2' away from my 1024x768 PC screen. "Steve Smith" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:G7zm8.5511$8%[email hidden]... : Something about only 340,000 pixels (NTSC) doesn't...for me. : : "PositiveG" <[email hidden]> wrote in message : news:Haum8.149$[email hidden]... : > Since I've got an X, I haven't even looked at the PC for games. : > I have a good PC too. : > Something about a big screen, a couch and surround sound just does it. : > : > : > "Steven Crook-Dawkins" <[email hidden]> wrote in : message : > news:a7d726$46p$[email hidden]... : > : Does anyone rate the Xbox then? : > : : > : Just wondered - buying a PS2 or an Xbox looks a damn sight : > : better bet than replacing my PC. : > : : > : Steve : > : : > : : > : > : :

"PositiveG" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:7rMm8.787$[email hidden]... > Well the day you can run 1600x1200 on a 61 inch PC monitor, you let meknow! > > 10 feet away, it looks as good as 2' away from my 1024x768 PC screen. Doesn't the X-box support HDTV? Anyone seen it? -- Damien Smith [email hidden] ICQ: 77028579 F12001 rank: +21.468

"Olly Greenfield" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:4LJm8.4831$[email hidden]... > I own them both, and I buy more games for the PS2 than my xbox, simply > because there are currently more good games available for the ps2. Thegap > is narrowing,but I still think that the ps2 will always hold a narrow edge > in available games for choice, principally because of a betterrelationship > with japanese game developers. > Some Xbox games look a bit better , but it is not a huge difference. It's > about on par with the difference between Dreamcast games and PS2 games, > which is generally not huge, and in a few cases favors the Dreamcastversion > of a game, i.e. Lemans 24 hour Racing. For the present I would favor thePS2 > if you can only choose one, simply because of the huge software library,and > the fact that ,aside from far better antialiasing of XBOX games, there is > not a huge difference in graphics. If you are looking further down theline > into the future, then the XBOX may be a slightly better choice, but not by > as much as fans of either console would have you think. Its more akin to > having a Geforce 3 versus a new geforce 4. Both are excellent, make your > software choice the deciding factor. Well, on paper, the X-box can move way more polygons than the PS2 or DC (which incidentally have fairly similar polygon capabilities) It's difficult to comprehend why 30fps games are still making an appearance on X-box. -- Damien Smith [email hidden] ICQ: 77028579 F12001 rank: +21.468

How big is your unit? "PositiveG" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:7rMm8.787$[email hidden]... > Well the day you can run 1600x1200 on a 61 inch PC monitor, you let meknow!

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> > 10 feet away, it looks as good as 2' away from my 1024x768 PC screen. > > > > "Steve Smith" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:G7zm8.5511$8%[email hidden]... > : Something about only 340,000 pixels (NTSC) doesn't...for me. > : > : "PositiveG" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > : news:Haum8.149$[email hidden]... > : > Since I've got an X, I haven't even looked at the PC for games. > : > I have a good PC too. > : > Something about a big screen, a couch and surround sound just does it. > : > > : > > : > "Steven Crook-Dawkins" <[email hidden]> wrote in > : message > : > news:a7d726$46p$[email hidden]... > : > : Does anyone rate the Xbox then? > : > : > : > : Just wondered - buying a PS2 or an Xbox looks a damn sight > : > : better bet than replacing my PC. > : > : > : > : Steve > : > : > : > : > : > > : > > : > : > >

How big is your unit? > Well the day you can run 1600x1200 on a 61 inch PC monitor, you let me know!

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> 10 feet away, it looks as good as 2' away from my 1024x768 PC screen. > : Something about only 340,000 pixels (NTSC) doesn't...for me. > : > : > Since I've got an X, I haven't even looked at the PC for games. > : > I have a good PC too. > : > Something about a big screen, a couch and surround sound just does it. > : > > : > > : message > : > : Does anyone rate the Xbox then? > : > : > : > : Just wondered - buying a PS2 or an Xbox looks a damn sight > : > : better bet than replacing my PC. > : > : > : > : Steve > : > : > : > : > : > > : > > : > :

That's one of the things in the pipeline, as I understand it. First, tho, they need a Net connection, no? "Damien Smith" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:a7hv07$laq8k$[email hidden]...

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> "PositiveG" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:7rMm8.787$[email hidden]... > > Well the day you can run 1600x1200 on a 61 inch PC monitor, you let me > know! > > > > 10 feet away, it looks as good as 2' away from my 1024x768 PC screen. > > Doesn't the X-box support HDTV? Anyone seen it? > > -- > Damien Smith > [email hidden] > ICQ: 77028579 > F12001 rank: +21.468 > > >

That's a rather personal question Steve! How big is yours? :-) What unit, PC or TV? "Steve Smith" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:Zd0n8.7941$8%[email hidden]... : How big is your unit? : : "PositiveG" <[email hidden]> wrote in message : news:7rMm8.787$[email hidden]... : > Well the day you can run 1600x1200 on a 61 inch PC monitor, you let me : know! : > : > 10 feet away, it looks as good as 2' away from my 1024x768 PC screen. : > : > : > : > "Steve Smith" <[email hidden]> wrote in message : > news:G7zm8.5511$8%[email hidden]... : > : Something about only 340,000 pixels (NTSC) doesn't...for me. : > : : > : "PositiveG" <[email hidden]> wrote in message : > : news:Haum8.149$[email hidden]... : > : > Since I've got an X, I haven't even looked at the PC for games. : > : > I have a good PC too. : > : > Something about a big screen, a couch and surround sound just does it. : > : > : > : > : > : > "Steven Crook-Dawkins" <[email hidden]> wrote in : > : message : > : > news:a7d726$46p$[email hidden]... : > : > : Does anyone rate the Xbox then? : > : > : : > : > : Just wondered - buying a PS2 or an Xbox looks a damn sight : > : > : better bet than replacing my PC. : > : > : : > : > : Steve : > : > : : > : > : : > : > : > : > : > : : > : : > : > : :

The hardware in the Xbox will connect to and use HDTVs NOW. It supports 16:9, 1080i, etc, you won't need a ONLINE connection to use it. You will need games though. The problem at present is that the game developers are only putting out 480p games. There's a real nice FAQ being compiled on the Xbox. Lots of discussion over on the public microsoft news server (news.microsoft.com), in particular the "microsoft.public.xbox" news group. Boid is handling the FAQ at http://www.xboxfaq.info. "Steve Smith" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:rf0n8.7942$8%[email hidden]... : That's one of the things in the pipeline, as I understand it. First, tho, : they need a Net connection, no? : : "Damien Smith" <[email hidden]> wrote in message : news:a7hv07$laq8k$[email hidden]... : > "PositiveG" <[email hidden]> wrote in message : > news:7rMm8.787$[email hidden]... : > > Well the day you can run 1600x1200 on a 61 inch PC monitor, you let me : > know! : > > : > > 10 feet away, it looks as good as 2' away from my 1024x768 PC screen. : > : > Doesn't the X-box support HDTV? Anyone seen it? : > : > -- : > Damien Smith : > [email hidden] : > ICQ: 77028579 : > F12001 rank: +21.468 : > : > : > : :

I'm not sure where you get "similar polygon capabilities" between them. See http://www.planetxbox.com/hardware/system/ Looks like totally different capabilities to me. Also where did you get the 30FPS stat? I don't remember even seeing developers state their frame rates. "Damien Smith" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:a7hvak$ljjkt$1@ID- : : Well, on paper, the X-box can move way more polygons than the PS2 or DC : (which incidentally have fairly similar polygon capabilities) It's : difficult to comprehend why 30fps games are still making an appearance on : X-box. :

Thx, Pos--I didn't know. (Then again, I didn't know about acid reflux disease, either). The Xbox FAQs will come in handy when I write my Motor Trend article. Also didn't mean to imply you needed to be online to use HDTV (which would be quite a trick, since my cable bandwidth can barely handle 640x480). I see the PS2 is already online in Japan. Must be great to play GT3 against flesh n'n blood opponents! --Steve "PositiveG" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:nr0n8.2199$[email hidden]...

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> The hardware in the Xbox will connect to and use HDTVs NOW. It supports > 16:9, 1080i, etc, you won't need a ONLINE connection to use it. > > You will need games though. The problem at present is that the game > developers are only putting out 480p games. > > There's a real nice FAQ being compiled on the Xbox. Lots of discussion

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> "microsoft.public.xbox" news group. > Boid is handling the FAQ at http://www.xboxfaq.info. > > > "Steve Smith" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:rf0n8.7942$8%[email hidden]... > : That's one of the things in the pipeline, as I understand it. First,

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What?!?!? Yer talkin abt. yer TV?!?!? I guess if yer 10 ft. away, it must be bigger than mine. "PositiveG" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:Dh0n8.2198$[email hidden]...

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> That's a rather personal question Steve! How big is yours? :-) > > What unit, PC or TV? > > "Steve Smith" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:Zd0n8.7941$8%[email hidden]... > : How big is your unit? > : > : "PositiveG" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > : news:7rMm8.787$[email hidden]... > : > Well the day you can run 1600x1200 on a 61 inch PC monitor, you let me > : know! > : > > : > 10 feet away, it looks as good as 2' away from my 1024x768 PC screen. > : > > : > > : > > : > "Steve Smith" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > : > news:G7zm8.5511$8%[email hidden]... > : > : Something about only 340,000 pixels (NTSC) doesn't...for me. > : > : > : > : "PositiveG" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > : > : news:Haum8.149$[email hidden]... > : > : > Since I've got an X, I haven't even looked at the PC for games. > : > : > I have a good PC too. > : > : > Something about a big screen, a couch and surround sound just does > it. > : > : > > : > : > > : > : > "Steven Crook-Dawkins" <[email hidden]> wrote

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LOL... :-) "Steve Smith" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:Yk2n8.8040$8%[email hidden]... : What?!?!? Yer talkin abt. yer TV?!?!? I guess if yer 10 ft. away, it must : be bigger than mine. : : "PositiveG" <[email hidden]> wrote in message : news:Dh0n8.2198$[email hidden]... : > That's a rather personal question Steve! How big is yours? :-) : > : > What unit, PC or TV? : > : > "Steve Smith" <[email hidden]> wrote in message : > news:Zd0n8.7941$8%[email hidden]... : > : How big is your unit? : > : : > : "PositiveG" <[email hidden]> wrote in message : > : news:7rMm8.787$[email hidden]... : > : > Well the day you can run 1600x1200 on a 61 inch PC monitor, you let me : > : know! : > : > : > : > 10 feet away, it looks as good as 2' away from my 1024x768 PC screen. : > : > : > : > : > : > : > : > "Steve Smith" <[email hidden]> wrote in message : > : > news:G7zm8.5511$8%[email hidden]... : > : > : Something about only 340,000 pixels (NTSC) doesn't...for me. : > : > : : > : > : "PositiveG" <[email hidden]> wrote in message : > : > : news:Haum8.149$[email hidden]... : > : > : > Since I've got an X, I haven't even looked at the PC for games. : > : > : > I have a good PC too. : > : > : > Something about a big screen, a couch and surround sound just does : > it. : > : > : > : > : > : > : > : > : > "Steven Crook-Dawkins" <[email hidden]> wrote : in : > : > : message : > : > : > news:a7d726$46p$[email hidden]... : > : > : > : Does anyone rate the Xbox then? : > : > : > : : > : > : > : Just wondered - buying a PS2 or an Xbox looks a damn sight : > : > : > : better bet than replacing my PC. : > : > : > : : > : > : > : Steve : > : > : > : : > : > : > : : > : > : > : > : > : > : > : > : : > : > : : > : > : > : > : > : : > : : > : > : :

LOL... :-) : What?!?!? Yer talkin abt. yer TV?!?!? I guess if yer 10 ft. away, it must : be bigger than mine. : : > That's a rather personal question Steve! How big is yours? :-) : > : > What unit, PC or TV? : > : > : How big is your unit? : > : : > : > Well the day you can run 1600x1200 on a 61 inch PC monitor, you let me : > : know! : > : > : > : > 10 feet away, it looks as good as 2' away from my 1024x768 PC screen. : > : > : > : > : > : > : > : > : Something about only 340,000 pixels (NTSC) doesn't...for me. : > : > : : > : > : > Since I've got an X, I haven't even looked at the PC for games. : > : > : > I have a good PC too. : > : > : > Something about a big screen, a couch and surround sound just does : > it. : > : > : > : > : > : > wrote : in : > : > : message : > : > : > : Does anyone rate the Xbox then? : > : > : > : : > : > : > : Just wondered - buying a PS2 or an Xbox looks a damn sight : > : > : > : better bet than replacing my PC. : > : > : > : : > : > : > : Steve : > : > : > : : > : > : > : : > : > : > : > : > : > : > : > : : > : > : : > : > : > : > : > : : > : : > : > : :

It's a lowly 29", soon to be a 50". I just cant decide on what TV to get, I've obtained "permission" to purchase (too hard to sneak past the wifey). Way off topic here, but does anyone have any good recommendations or web links for TVs? "Steve Smith" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:Yk2n8.8040$8%[email hidden]... : What?!?!? Yer talkin abt. yer TV?!?!? I guess if yer 10 ft. away, it must : be bigger than mine. : : "PositiveG" <[email hidden]> wrote in message : news:Dh0n8.2198$[email hidden]... : > That's a rather personal question Steve! How big is yours? :-) : > : > What unit, PC or TV? : > : > "Steve Smith" <[email hidden]> wrote in message : > news:Zd0n8.7941$8%[email hidden]... : > : How big is your unit? : > : : > : "PositiveG" <[email hidden]> wrote in message : > : news:7rMm8.787$[email hidden]... : > : > Well the day you can run 1600x1200 on a 61 inch PC monitor, you let me : > : know! : > : > : > : > 10 feet away, it looks as good as 2' away from my 1024x768 PC screen. : > : > : > : > : > : > : > : > "Steve Smith" <[email hidden]> wrote in message : > : > news:G7zm8.5511$8%[email hidden]... : > : > : Something about only 340,000 pixels (NTSC) doesn't...for me. : > : > : : > : > : "PositiveG" <[email hidden]> wrote in message : > : > : news:Haum8.149$[email hidden]... : > : > : > Since I've got an X, I haven't even looked at the PC for games. : > : > : > I have a good PC too. : > : > : > Something about a big screen, a couch and surround sound just does : > it. : > : > : > : > : > : > : > : > : > "Steven Crook-Dawkins" <[email hidden]> wrote : in : > : > : message : > : > : > news:a7d726$46p$[email hidden]... : > : > : > : Does anyone rate the Xbox then? : > : > : > : : > : > : > : Just wondered - buying a PS2 or an Xbox looks a damn sight : > : > : > : better bet than replacing my PC. : > : > : > : : > : > : > : Steve : > : > : > : : > : > : > : : > : > : > : > : > : > : > : > : : > : > : : > : > : > : > : > : : > : : > : > : :

"Steve Smith" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:vj2n8.8039$8%[email hidden]... : Thx, Pos--I didn't know. (Then again, I didn't know about acid reflux : disease, either). The Xbox FAQs will come in handy when I write my Motor : Trend article. : Let us know the issue date for your article, might pick it up.

Was going for ASAP, but with so much console stuff in the pipeline, thought I'd wait until fall. "PositiveG" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:FU2n8.2278$[email hidden]... > > "Steve Smith" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:vj2n8.8039$8%[email hidden]... > : Thx, Pos--I didn't know. (Then again, I didn't know about acid reflux > : disease, either). The Xbox FAQs will come in handy when I write myMotor > : Trend article. > : > > Let us know the issue date for your article, might pick it up. > >

Pos, Had a friend who wants to go the DV/PCTV route and he wound up going with a 65-inch Mitsu. Talk about a big unit! I think he made an even bigger mistake. The best specs I saw were for a 50-ish Pioneer, 16/9, with a line doubler. Unless you think you can hook into a lot of HDTV sources (there seem to be no DVD standard, certainly none recordable, which leaves you with only off-air or cable), I think a line-doubler, which will improve almost any NTSC source except progressive scan, is the best thing you can do for watching TV or playing games. Lemme see if I can find some links: http://electronics.cnet.com/electronics/0-6342366-8-8994967-3.html?tag=st.ce .6342366-8-8994967-2.arrow.6342366-8-8994967-3 http://800stereo.org/denonavr2802.html http://800stereo.org/denonavr1802.html http://www.hometheatermag.com/showarchives.cgi?107 This is the one: http://www.hometheatermag.com/showarchives.cgi?37 http://www.hometheatermag.com/showarchives.cgi?37 http://www.ilovehdtv.com/hdtvmagazine/menu.html http://electronics.cnet.com/electronics/0-3219398-8-6807013-1.html?tag=prmo http://www.tvone.com/index.shtml http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/ That oughtta hold you for awhile! --Steve "PositiveG" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:KS2n8.2277$[email hidden]...

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> It's a lowly 29", soon to be a 50". I just cant decide on what TV to get, > I've obtained "permission" to purchase (too hard to sneak past the wifey). > > Way off topic here, but does anyone have any good recommendations or web > links for TVs? > > > "Steve Smith" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:Yk2n8.8040$8%[email hidden]... > : What?!?!? Yer talkin abt. yer TV?!?!? I guess if yer 10 ft. away, it > must > : be bigger than mine. > : > : "PositiveG" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > : news:Dh0n8.2198$[email hidden]... > : > That's a rather personal question Steve! How big is yours? :-) > : > > : > What unit, PC or TV? > : > > : > "Steve Smith" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > : > news:Zd0n8.7941$8%[email hidden]... > : > : How big is your unit? > : > : > : > : "PositiveG" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > : > : news:7rMm8.787$[email hidden]... > : > : > Well the day you can run 1600x1200 on a 61 inch PC monitor, you

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> me > : > : know! > : > : > > : > : > 10 feet away, it looks as good as 2' away from my 1024x768 PC > screen. > : > : > > : > : > > : > : > > : > : > "Steve Smith" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > : > : > news:G7zm8.5511$8%[email hidden]... > : > : > : Something about only 340,000 pixels (NTSC) doesn't...for me. > : > : > : > : > : > : "PositiveG" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > : > : > : news:Haum8.149$[email hidden]... > : > : > : > Since I've got an X, I haven't even looked at the PC for

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> : > : > : > I have a good PC too. > : > : > : > Something about a big screen, a couch and surround sound just > does > : > it. > : > : > : > > : > : > : > > : > : > : > "Steven Crook-Dawkins" <[email hidden]> > wrote > : in > : > : > : message > : > : > : > news:a7d726$46p$[email hidden]... > : > : > : > : Does anyone rate the Xbox then? > : > : > : > : > : > : > : > : Just wondered - buying a PS2 or an Xbox looks a damn sight > : > : > : > : better bet than replacing my PC. > : > : > : > : > : > : > : > : Steve > : > : > : > : > : > : > : > : > : > : > : > > : > : > : > > : > : > : > : > : > : > : > : > > : > : > > : > : > : > : > : > > : > > : > : > >

> I'm not sure where you get "similar polygon capabilities" between them. > See http://www.planetxbox.com/hardware/system/ Erm, I think you only half read what I typed. I said: "Well, on paper, the X-box can move way more polygons than the PS2 or DC (which incidentally have fairly similar polygon capabilities)" I meant that the PS2 and DC have similar *actual* polygon capabilities. The X-box is way ahead. Can I make it any clearer? > Looks like totally different capabilities to me. What? It doesn't even have the Dreamcast on that page! Also those figures are meaningless. It lists the PS2 as having 66 M polygons /s - it doesn't mention that it's flat out displaying a tenth of those because of its castrated video ram. > Also where did you get the > 30FPS stat? Seen Halo? Seen Wreckless? Seen Oddworld? They're 30fps games - anyone who's not blind should be able to pick the difference. > I don't remember even seeing developers state their frame > rates. I don't need a developer to tell what frame rate their games run at - I'm not blind. -- Damien Smith [email hidden] ICQ: 77028579 F12001 rank: +21.468

"Damien Smith" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:a7k8u9$lmmon$[email hidden]... : > I'm not sure where you get "similar polygon capabilities" between them. : > See http://www.planetxbox.com/hardware/system/ : snip. : > Looks like totally different capabilities to me. : : What? It doesn't even have the Dreamcast on that page! Also those figures : are meaningless. It lists the PS2 as having 66 M polygons /s - it doesn't : mention that it's flat out displaying a tenth of those because of its : castrated video ram. : Those figures are not totally meaningless. Hey why not throw in the Atari 2600 into the mix here too. It's in the same boat as the Dreamcast! ;-) : > Also where did you get the : > 30FPS stat? : : Seen Halo? Seen Wreckless? Seen Oddworld? They're 30fps games - anyone : who's not blind should be able to pick the difference. : I own Halo and Oddworld, finished both of them, awesome games. I'm not saying they're NOT 30fps games, but I'm not saying they are either. I honestly don't know. You appear to, so what's your source? I certainly can't count 30 frames per second so I'm looking for published stats. I like to see technical facts on this, no matter how good my 15/20 Mark I eyeballs are. Just so it's clear to everyone I don't think the Xbox is governed to some magical 30fps limit. Project Gotham Racing is reportedly 60fps. I own that as well. : > I don't remember even seeing developers state their frame : > rates. : : I don't need a developer to tell what frame rate their games run at - I'm : not blind. : Neither am I, Halo looks great and is an excellent game (wheither it's 30fps or not).

> > Just wondered - buying a PS2 or an Xbox looks a damn sight > better bet than replacing my PC. > > Steve I've got both PS2 and Xbox. I have GT3 and Project Gotham. I prefer the Xbox hardware, just about every thing about it is better than a PS2 (the one execption is the controller). However, There is no compairing Project Gotham to GT3. GT3 is a sim lite, where PGR is a pure arcade racer. There are a couple of really good racing games for the Xbox though, F1 2001 (the best in my opinion), and Rallisport challenge. I don't play racing games on the PC any more. But I'm not a typical hard core GPL pilot either. If you enjoy games like NFS, and even F1 2001 (although it's much easier on the PS2 and Xbox), then I would recommend either system. But if all you play is N4 (or N2002) or GPL, I would not recommend them. As for which is better, I would look at the availible games, and the games to be released soon, and make a descion based on that.

Mikkel, Please keep me apprised. I'm supposed to be writing an article for Motor Trend (U.S. circulation: 1 million plus) on all the automobile-themed computer & video games out there...and I'm beginning to think I should restrict it to console games like GT3 and Rallisport. I'd love to hear some hard-core comments on these games (and others like them). --Steve "Mikkel Gram-Hansen" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:3c9a2aa4$0$72435$[email hidden]... > I'd go for the X-Box. > Project Gotham and the Rally game (can't remember the name) are FUN ;) > > I tried both the PS2 and the X-box this weekend and the X-Box won big > time... As soon as I had the chance I hooked it up and played ProjectGotham

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> the rest of the night... the PS2 collected dust in the corner. > > I hope RaceSimCentral will be able to feature some reviews on the X-Box > games soon ... written by hardcore GPL drivers, should be interesting. > > Mikkel Gram-Hansen > -- > Administrator > http://www.racesimcentral.com > > > > Steven Crook-Dawkins <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:a7d726$46p$[email hidden]... > > Does anyone rate the Xbox then? > > > > Just wondered - buying a PS2 or an Xbox looks a damn sight > > better bet than replacing my PC. > > > > Steve > > > > > >