Time for the FF wheel upgrade...

OK, it's about the time for me to upgrade my wheel/pedals combo and so I put to you all the standard RAS question - What wheel/pedals do you guys recommend? Force Feedback is my only requirement. Currently with a Saitek wheel on win ME and Athlon 1.4ghz/GF3. Possible upgrade to Win 2k/XP once this windows install breaks ;) Thanks ppl. Rafe Mc

On Mon, 25 Mar 2002 21:25:08 +1100, Rafe McAuliffe <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>OK, it's about the time for me to upgrade my wheel/pedals combo and so >I put to you all the standard RAS question - What wheel/pedals do you >guys recommend? Force Feedback is my only requirement. > >Currently with a Saitek wheel on win ME and Athlon 1.4ghz/GF3. >Possible upgrade to Win 2k/XP once this windows install breaks ;) > >Thanks ppl. >Rafe Mc

The best thing you can do is search for older RAS posts on Google, this has been discussed a lot lately :) Basicly your choice is between the ACT Labs and Logi Momo. Andre

I am very pleased with my Logitech Momo FF wheel, however it is the first one I have ever owned that is FF so I really can't compare it to others. Don Burnette "Rafe McAuliffe" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> OK, it's about the time for me to upgrade my wheel/pedals combo and so > I put to you all the standard RAS question - What wheel/pedals do you > guys recommend? Force Feedback is my only requirement. > > Currently with a Saitek wheel on win ME and Athlon 1.4ghz/GF3. > Possible upgrade to Win 2k/XP once this windows install breaks ;) > > Thanks ppl. > Rafe Mc >

Rafe McAuliffe ([email hidden]) wrote on 25 Mar 2002:

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> OK, it's about the time for me to upgrade my wheel/pedals combo and > so I put to you all the standard RAS question - What wheel/pedals > do you guys recommend? Force Feedback is my only requirement. > > Currently with a Saitek wheel on win ME and Athlon 1.4ghz/GF3. > Possible upgrade to Win 2k/XP once this windows install breaks ;) > > Thanks ppl. > Rafe Mc

Unfasionable, I know, but I still like the MSFF. It's worked fine throughout with both Win98SE and XP (I had trouble getting GPL working under XP but the MSFF was a breeze), and I still prefer its feel to anything else I can afford. It's such a subjective area, though - one man's meat etc etc etc... -- "After all, a mere thousand yards... such a harmless little knoll, really" - Raymond Mays on Shelsley Walsh. The GPL Scrapyard: Back again! http://www.btinternet.com/~gplscrapyard

> > Unfasionable, I know, but I still like the MSFF. It's worked fine > throughout with both Win98SE and XP (I had trouble getting GPL working > under XP but the MSFF was a breeze), and I still prefer its feel to > anything else I can afford. > Yeah, I just got a second hand actlabs force RS inc shifter, and I dont know what it is, perhaps I am not used to it, but I just don't like how it feels compared to my old (and it really is!) MSFF gameport. I am considering the actlabs pedals, but on the other hand I really like the MSFF pedals so I am not sure :/ All the best, Ash http://www.siroccoracing.com

Changing wheels is a huge change. I changed from the original Logitech Wingman Formula Force to their new MOMO setup. Its amasing the differnace. Basicly where I was good before I now suck, and where I sucked I now do well. Just for example in Dirt Track Racing Sprint Cars at Hussets speedway I never could keep the thing off the wall coming out of turn 4. Now I run it great. First race with new wheel I smoked the AI by over 11 seconds in a 20 lap feature. I have found for the most part I have to run a lot loser setup. In NR2002 I had to bump up my liner setting about 20 points to get a simular feel to the old LWFF. MadDAWG

> >The best thing you can do is search for older RAS posts on Google, >this has been discussed a lot lately :) >Basicly your choice is between the ACT Labs and Logi Momo. > >Andre Which wheel do you have Andre? Kinda thinking the Act Labs looks best, but the Momo looks pretty good as well. Hmmm... Rafe Mc

On Mon, 25 Mar 2002 11:55:54 GMT, "Don Burnette" <[email hidden]> wrote: >I am very pleased with my Logitech Momo FF wheel, however it is the first >one I have ever owned that is FF so I really can't compare it to others. > >Don Burnette Don, the Momo looks pretty good (despite the price!). How is it in terms of stiffness, for quick movements, etc? Obviously this will be very different from a no FF wheel but I would prefer something that is a lot free-er to move. Rafe Mc

"Rafe McAuliffe" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> On Mon, 25 Mar 2002 11:55:54 GMT, "Don Burnette" > <[email hidden]> wrote: > > >I am very pleased with my Logitech Momo FF wheel, however it is the first > >one I have ever owned that is FF so I really can't compare it to others. > > > >Don Burnette > > Don, the Momo looks pretty good (despite the price!). How is it in > terms of stiffness, for quick movements, etc? Obviously this will be > very different from a no FF wheel but I would prefer something that is > a lot free-er to move. > > Rafe Mc

Not bad, also remember you can adust the strength of the FF as well in both windows and in the game as well. I haven't noticed any trouble moving it quickly when I need to. Don Burnette

>Unfasionable, I know, but I still like the MSFF. It's worked fine >throughout with both Win98SE and XP (I had trouble getting GPL working >under XP but the MSFF was a breeze), and I still prefer its feel to >anything else I can afford. > >It's such a subjective area, though - one man's meat etc etc etc... Very true, but I've always been suspicious about these wheels, especially with the driver problems with MS's own OSs. Kind of ironic really. I can't argue with their price though :) Rafe Mc

On Tue, 26 Mar 2002 21:31:10 +1100, Rafe McAuliffe <[email hidden]> wrote: >Which wheel do you have Andre? Kinda thinking the Act Labs looks best, >but the Momo looks pretty good as well. Hmmm... > > >Rafe Mc I have the Momo and love it (as I wrote many times here, hence my google-search hint :) Couple of weeks ago I wrote a post about the act-labs wheel. I never tested it myself, but I have two friends who bought one, and allthough they liked it very much, the quality of the wheels and pedals was very poor. One friend had his wheel broken within two weeks, a couple of days later his pedal breaks in half. I then went to the act forum and noticed a lot of people had the same problems. So without even having tried the ACT, I recommend the Momo. Btw, if you think the ACT looks better than the Momo, you don't need an ff wheel, you need a pair of glasses <joke> :) Andre

I've had my ActLabs ForceRS about 3 years. I broke my wheel off the spindle once, manhandling it at Richmond. The replacement had some reinforcement built in that the original didn't have. The "stock" pedals are pretty sucky, but eventually you get used to them and they wear-in pretty well. I haven't seen heard or smelled the performance pedals yet, but in all honesty, I am not sure I would really be any better with more precise equipment. I have a weird electrical problem too: when I mash the gas, the game senses that the wheel is turning very slightly to the right. I would like to get to the root of this one, but it doesn't cause catastrophic problems, and it is predictable. I guess I am a sucker, but I've been married to these too long to divorce them now. The forces and fit and finish on the wheel just feel better than anything else I have tried. I haven't tried the MOMO yet, though. I am sad to hear that quality seems to be going downhill at AL, though; it makes me think these might be the last AL product I own. 'til death do us part, Gerald [email hidden] (Andre Warringa) wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

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> Couple of weeks ago I wrote a post about the act-labs wheel. I never > tested it myself, but I have two friends who bought one, and allthough > they liked it very much, the quality of the wheels and pedals was very > poor. One friend had his wheel broken within two weeks, a couple of > days later his pedal breaks in half. > I then went to the act forum and noticed a lot of people had the same > problems.

On 26 Mar 2002 12:54:09 -0800, [email hidden] (Gerald Moore) wrote: >The "stock" pedals are pretty sucky, but eventually you get used to >them and they wear-in pretty well. I haven't seen heard or smelled >the performance pedals yet, but in all honesty, I am not sure I would >really be any better with more precise equipment. It's those new act pedals (with the clutch) that seem to break down easily. I read posts from different people whose pedals broke in exactly the same way, it seems to be a weak construction in the plastic. Also the worldwide production of springs have tripled since the release of the pedals since those seem to break easily too. Act labs does send replacements for broken parts, but that takes a couple of weeks, and it's no fun when the equipment breaks again in a couple of weeks :-/ Andre

>So without even having tried the ACT, I recommend the Momo. >Btw, if you think the ACT looks better than the Momo, you don't need >an ff wheel, you need a pair of glasses <joke> :) Actually I wasn't referring to the looks of the wheels, more like "looks like a good buy". Do you really think the AL wheel looks that ugly? The momo is quite a nice looking wheel I must admit but I didn't think the AL was that much of an ugly duckling. Rafe Mc

>I have a weird electrical problem too: when I mash the gas, the game >senses that the wheel is turning very slightly to the right. I would >like to get to the root of this one, but it doesn't cause catastrophic >problems, and it is predictable. I actually had the same problem with my old wheel for a while, only it was when I jumped on the brakes. It would pull to the left by a fair bit and I ran into the wall so many times because of it. Only solution was to reinstall windows :( Rafe Mc

"Gerald Moore" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > I have a weird electrical problem too: when I mash the gas, the game > senses that the wheel is turning very slightly to the right. I would > like to get to the root of this one, but it doesn't cause catastrophic > problems, and it is predictable. > > If you go to www.logitech.com and do a search for the utility named LWS_CLRC.EXE (that is the name of the Win 98 version) It is a handy little utility that completely wipes all calibration data for all controllers from your windows installation. I used it to clear up some serious miscalibration problems I had with a Thrustmaster FF wheel that were cuased by some old corrupt calibration data left by previous install. Here is part of the description from Logitech Supported Operating Systems Windows� 2000 Windows� Me Windows� 98 Windows� 95 Version CS Release Posted 02-06-2001 Terms Of Use Use of this software is subject to the Software License Agreement. Description The WingMan Clear Calibration Utility was developed by Logitech to resolve calibration problems with Logitech gaming devices. Note: This utility strips all calibration information in the Windows Registry for ALL gaming devices, including any NON-Logitech gaming devices which may have been installed. For more details and installation help, please refer to the README file. David