GPL Video Idea

I had an idea for making a GPL video but I thought I'd ask some input first. What I'd like to do is recreate the camera angles, movements and racing sequences used in the movie _Grand_Prix_. (I managed to buy a copy of Grand Prix at a shop in Auckland a couple of years ago) The camera work in that film is of such quality that it rivals cinema today. It conveys the sense of speed, the closeness to the edge and the raw power of the cars perfectly. As a base for developing a GPL video it seems ideal but I need to know where I stand legally (and morally). Is recreating sequences from an old movie using none of the actual footage an infringement of any copyrights? I intend to use my own soundtrack but I'm concerned I'm stepping on the toes of the director. I have a huge amount of respect for Frankenheimer as I also loved Ronin and even from a non-legal standpoint, I would be using his example as a mentor. I would give appropriate credit as well (perhaps inspired by or something) Perhaps I should just try to recreate the camera angles and some of the shots, but implement my own sequences. I'd love to hear any comments (from those who haven't killfiled me for my anti-american sentiments of a few months back), both legally and from the point of view of respecting a great directors work. -- who the hell is iksteh? http://members.optushome.com.au/iksteh Complaints express forwarded to /dev/null "Bugger Milk, Got Pot?" If my thinking appears insane, incoherant or opinionated, that's because I am

"iksteh" <[email hidden]> wrote: > Is recreating sequences from an old movie using none of the actual > footage an infringement of any copyrights? No.

no it's done frequently...if you REALLY get ambitious you can put images of US ras'ers in the video as well...heheh...just make sure I'm in the car that's upside down... dave henrie "440825" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> "iksteh" <[email hidden]> wrote: > > > Is recreating sequences from an old movie using none of the actual > > footage an infringement of any copyrights? > > No. >

You're probably not stepping on any toes by doing that, especially if you aren't making any money from it, I imagine. Heck, there are movie spoofs all the time, and if anything, they just make the originals more popular. I'd imagine Frankenheimer would take the reproduction as flattery if he ever saw it. Go for it :0) Todd Wasson --- Performance Simulations Drag Racing and Top Speed Prediction Software http://PerformanceSimulations.Com My little car sim screenshots: http://performancesimulations.com/scnshot4.htm

Pick up the current issue [April] of MotorSport - is has a story about the making of Grand Prix with lot's of pictures on how the film was shot. Also included is a 35mins film about Stewart and Clark. Btw, did anyone knew that there is a new film about/from Le Mans in the making...? According to Autosport.com, the DAMS team havs been awarded 2 invitational spots (One Panoz LMP1 Roadster 'S' and one Lola-Judd B98/10) to this years race in order to carry out the filming of a new Le Mans movie by Hollywood director Luc Besson. [..... 5 minutes later....] Did some more digging and it seems like what I've been waiting for for a long time is destend to happen - a film about the comic strip characther 'Michel Valliant'... From the Guardian: "Besson adapts comic F1 hero" Guardian Unlimited staff Thursday February 28, 2002 "Luc Besson's next project will be a movie version of a comic book about a hellraising Formula 1 racing driver, reports the US website Ain't It Cool News. The man who wrote Taxi and The Fifth Element is writing and producing the story of Michel Valliant, who has been setting the world of French comics on fire since he first burnt onto the tracks in 1957. Besson is reportedly attempting to team up with a French racing team to get real footage from the Le Mans 24-hour race. The third movie in the Taxi trilogy is set to appear on French screens in the autumn, with Valliant hitting the starting line in 2003. Alexandre Ciolek will share writing duties." This make more sense now: (from the official entry list at www.lemans.org): DAMS / F LM P 900 LEADER DAMS / F LM P 900 VAILLANTE -- ed_

>"Ed Solheim" <[email hidden]> wrote > Did some more digging and it seems like what I've been waiting for for a > long time is destend to happen - a film about the comic strip characther > 'Michel Valliant'... YOU DON'T KNOW WHO IS MICHEL VAILLANT?????????????????????????? (yes, I was shouting here indeed hehe) He's like, my hero. Or more, the hero of any little kid who grew up watching motorsports and read BD's. The guy has won everything, he's the best driver in the history of motorsport <wink> ;-) Anyway, there was already a movie about him, back in the 60's. F3 driver Henry Grandsire took the role of Michel Vaillant. http://images.google.com/images?q=michel%20vaillant&hl=en&sa=N&tab=wi -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- http://www.ymenard.8m.com/ -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimato Dominguez Corporation - helping America into the New World...

>"iksteh" <[email hidden]> wrote > Is recreating sequences from an old movie using none of the actual footagean > infringement of any copyrights? No. Nobody would care anyway. Really, just do it. -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- http://www.ymenard.8m.com/ -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimato Dominguez Corporation - helping America into the New World...

>"J. Todd Wasson" <[email hidden]> wrote > You're probably not stepping on any toes by doing that, especially if you > aren't making any money from it, I imagine. Heck, there are movie spoofsall > the time, and if anything, they just make the originals more popular. Actually from a legal point-of-view a "spoof" is normally upon a character or event in a movie. Camera positions or manoeuvres are not intellectual events or properties that are copyrighted by the director or the creator of a movie (except if it's a "process" such as steadycam). But then again, it's for the use of the process and the mechanics that it is copyrighted. Anybody can do them, without a single problem in any movie they want. So, yes, you can copy directly some great cinematography movements from Kubrick, Scorsese, Truffaut, Eisenstein, Spielberg, etc... and in this case, Frankenheimer in any home movies that you create :) -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- http://www.ymenard.8m.com/ -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimato Dominguez Corporation - helping America into the New World...

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> Actually from a legal point-of-view a "spoof" is normally upon a character > or event in a movie. > > Camera positions or manoeuvres are not intellectual events or properties > that are copyrighted by the director or the creator of a movie (except if > it's a "process" such as steadycam). But then again, it's for the use of > the process and the mechanics that it is copyrighted. Anybody can do

them, > without a single problem in any movie they want. So, yes, you can copy > directly some great cinematography movements from Kubrick, Scorsese, > Truffaut, Eisenstein, Spielberg, etc... and in this case, Frankenheimer in > any home movies that you create :) > > Think of the release last year of the remake of Psycho. They claimed every shot(the camera placement and angles) was exactly the same as Hitchcocks, and they didn't change even the scenes.. So if they can use a movie almost exactly for it's full length, you'll probably find you are in clear sailing. The music industry could try and poop on you, but if you are using original music even they can't whine. dave henrie ps...there is a Version of the Titanic disaster that was made about 40 years ago...NOT the Clifton Webb version...but after seeing the modern Titanic, and then seeing the other version on the Tube, I could clearly see where James Cameron lifted most of his movie from. Scene after scene was a remake of that older show...Cameron did throw in Leo & Cate but the rest of HIS movie was actually already done before... dave henrie

"ymenard" mutted: > > Did some more digging and it seems like what I've been waiting for for a > > long time is destend to happen - a film about the comic strip characther > > 'Michel Valliant'... > > YOU DON'T KNOW WHO IS MICHEL VAILLANT?????????????????????????? Was that aimed at me Frankie? If so, ofcourse I know who Vaillant it - I read about his adventures while you were still sperm! -- ed_

On Tue, 26 Mar 2002 11:40:04 +0100, "Ed Solheim" <[email hidden]> wrote: >Pick up the current issue [April] of MotorSport - is has a story about the >making of Grand Prix with lot's of pictures on how the film was shot. Pleeeease please please scan it for me.. and the rest who can't buy this mag :) >Also included is a 35mins film about Stewart and Clark. It's a magazine right? you mean a video is included with the mag? >Btw, did anyone knew that there is a new film about/from Le Mans in the >making...? >According to Autosport.com, the DAMS team havs been awarded 2 invitational >spots (One Panoz LMP1 Roadster 'S' and one Lola-Judd B98/10) to this years >race in order to carry out the filming of a new Le Mans movie by Hollywood >director Luc Besson. The director from Taxi 2.. gawd I hated that movie :)) Andre

Pleeeease please please scan it for me.. and the rest who can't buy this mag :) It's a magazine right? you mean a video is included with the mag? The director from Taxi 2.. gawd I hated that movie :)) Andre

>> Pick up the current issue [April] of MotorSport - is has a story >> about the making of Grand Prix with lot's of pictures on how the film >> was shot. > > Pleeeease please please scan it for me.. and the rest who can't buy > this mag :) Yes, please!

"Andre Warringa" wrote: > Pleeeease please please scan it for me.. and the rest who can't buy > this mag :) Can't buy it? whaddya mean - can't buy it?!?!? :-) Seriously - every GPL loer should get hold of atleast one copy of this mag... (you'll be addicted once you get it :-) It can be bought at good magazine outlets all over the world. > It's a magazine right? you mean a video is included with the mag? Yes it's a magazine - and if your into [GPL-type/historic] racing - it's *the* magazine. A 12 issue subscription cost about �40 or so I think - it's *well* worth it. Aso - yes the film is included with the magazine, they usually ship [atleast] one each year... last one I got was one featuring Audis rally history and the old Auto Unions of the 30's.... Was fun to see the V16 (or was it W16?) "Audi" set a record at Avus :-) Other titles have been films like "Jagaur at Le Mans" (featuring Hawthorne doing a lap of the track - while commentating! That must have been the some of the first in-car footage ever made at the track.. This was in 1955 I think and Hawthorne did a lap on friday - while the "track" was still open to the public! The thing was, he didn't just drive the track - he raced it! Passing cars and other pedestrians as he went along! :-) The only thing I really regret about Motorsport magazine is that I didnt start subscribing to it sooner - say 30 years ago! For more info: http://www.haymarketgroup.co.uk/title.cfm?s=1&t=4&p=46&l=1 As for the images - I'll see what I can do :-) -- ed_

"Ed Solheim" <[email hidden]> wrote in <3ca0f6a5$[email hidden]>: >For more info: >http://www.haymarketgroup.co.uk/title.cfm?s=1&t=4&p=46&l=1 Is it possible for a Yank to get this magazine with video, or is it a subscriber only thing? I assume your video is PAL. I'd need NTSC.

>"Ed Solheim" <[email hidden]> wrote > If so, ofcourse I know who Vaillant it - I read about his adventures while > you were still sperm! Oh oh <phew>, sorry there Ed. `;) -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- http://www.ymenard.8m.com/ -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimato Dominguez Corporation - helping America into the New World...

"ymenard" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:y_9o8.12599$[email hidden]... > >"Ed Solheim" <[email hidden]> wrote > > If so, ofcourse I know who Vaillant it - I read about his adventureswhile > > you were still sperm! > > Oh oh <phew>, sorry there Ed. `;) Prince Valliant? Wasn't he the goody two-shoes newspaper comic that had a Beatles haircut??? dave :) henrie

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> > The only thing I really regret about Motorsport magazine is that I didnt > start subscribing to it sooner - say 30 years ago! > > For more info: > http://www.haymarketgroup.co.uk/title.cfm?s=1&t=4&p=46&l=1 > > > As for the images - I'll see what I can do :-) >

Notice the cover shot on the web page... "The 60s greatest F1 cars". I've unfortunately never seen the magazine in Switzerland. I pick it up whenever I fly through England. Stephen

iksteh wrote: > > I had an idea for making a GPL video but I thought I'd ask some input first. > What I'd like to do is recreate the camera angles, movements and racing > sequences used in the movie _Grand_Prix_. I don't see why it should cause any copyright problems. You're not distributing copyrighted material (the original footage). With the CCM flying camera you should be able to make most of the angles you need. I think your only problem will be clipping. I tried a high shot of cars going into the monaco tunnel but with any view other than straight on the tunnel clips like mad. Kev maker of GPL movie Just a Day

"Ed Solheim" <[email hidden]> wrote... <snip> > The only thing I really regret about Motorsport magazine is that I didnt > start subscribing to it sooner - say 30 years ago!I bought an almost complete set from 1962-1990 from an advert in the local paper for �15 as I remember, it kept me engrossed for weeks... Tony Whitley

> Pick up the current issue [April] of MotorSport < In the event this is available at some of the mag racks of the larger bookstores, it will probably arrive here in about a month. That's typical lag time I have experienced in other "furrin" <g> magazines.

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>>> If so, ofcourse I know who Vaillant it - I read about his adventures >>> while you were still sperm! >> >> Oh oh <phew>, sorry there Ed. `;) > > Prince Valliant? Wasn't he the goody two-shoes newspaper comic that > had a Beatles haircut???

Didn't they name a car after him? !^NavFont02F00E00004HGE12006

In article <pb%n8.4453$[email hidden]>, ymenard <[email hidden]> wrote: > YOU DON'T KNOW WHO IS MICHEL VAILLANT?????????????????????????? > > The guy has won everything, he's the > best driver in the history of motorsport <wink> ;-) Gee, I thought that was Speedracer. lol :) Take care. - Loren