If We Have Another R.a.s./N2002 Race This Weekend.....

...how about we choose the track(s) early so we can get some practice time in during the week? Some of us are new to this NASCAR stuff and have little experience with many of the tracks (like SP this past Sunday). David G Fisher

David G Fisher wrote: > ...how about we choose the track(s) early so we can get some practice time > in during the week? Some of us are new to this NASCAR stuff and have little > experience with many of the tracks (like SP this past Sunday). I nominate Bristol. -- Fester "Beware the leader who bangs the drums of war in order to whip the citizenry into a patriotic fervor, for patriotism is indeed a double-edged sword. It both emboldens the blood, just as it narrows the mind. And when the drums of war have reached a fever pitch and the blood boils with hate and the mind has closed, the leader will have no need in seizing the rights of the citizenry. Rather, the citizenry, infused with fear and blinded by patriotism, will offer up all of their rights unto the leader and gladly so. How do I know? For this is what I have done. And I am Caesar." -- Julius Caesar

I cannot make it as I'm going away.... but if I were to make a suggestion - it would be the Brickyard... one of my fav. tracks in N4.. Come to think of it - if you get a good sized field, then a long (50%+) SS race would be a blast. -- ed_

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>I cannot make it as I'm going away.... but if I were to make a suggestion - >it would be the Brickyard... one of my fav. tracks in N4.. > >Come to think of it - if you get a good sized field, then a long (50%+) SS >race would be a blast. > >-- >ed_ >

Unfortunately I can't make it either coming Sunday :-/ Andre

It doesn't have to be Sunday. I'd actually much prefer it was on Saturday. David G Fisher "Andre Warringa" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > On Tue, 26 Mar 2002 11:06:08 +0100, "Ed Solheim" <[email hidden]> > wrote: > > >I cannot make it as I'm going away.... but if I were to make asuggestion - > >it would be the Brickyard... one of my fav. tracks in N4.. > > > >Come to think of it - if you get a good sized field, then a long (50%+)SS

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> >race would be a blast. > > > >-- > >ed_ > > > > Unfortunately I can't make it either coming Sunday :-/ > > Andre >

"Uncle Fester" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > David G Fisher wrote: > > ...how about we choose the track(s) early so we can get some practicetime > > in during the week? Some of us are new to this NASCAR stuff and havelittle

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> > experience with many of the tracks (like SP this past Sunday). > > > I nominate Bristol. > > -- > > Fester >

I could go for Bristol, just ran a league race there last night and it was a lot of fun. You guys running fixed setups? Don Burnette

I'd vote for any oval(except a SS<G>), as long as we used fixed setups. Makes it more fun, for the guys who are new to Nascar sim racing IMO, plus more fun to us vets, as there's less wrecks <G> But then, I don't know if I can make it this week anyway. -John "Don Burnette" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:hjZn8.264721$[email hidden]...

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> > "Uncle Fester" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > David G Fisher wrote: > > > ...how about we choose the track(s) early so we can get some practice > time > > > in during the week? Some of us are new to this NASCAR stuff and have > little > > > experience with many of the tracks (like SP this past Sunday). > > > > > > I nominate Bristol. > > > > -- > > > > Fester > > > > I could go for Bristol, just ran a league race there last night and it was

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> lot of fun. > You guys running fixed setups? > > Don Burnette > > >

On Tue, 26 Mar 2002 10:59:37 GMT, "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote: >It doesn't have to be Sunday. I'd actually much prefer it was on Saturday. Saturday is good for me.. how about the rest of you guys? And which tracks? My vote this time goes to Bristol and the Glen. Or instead of 2 shorter races we could do one longer race.. imho the longer the races, the more interesting Nascar becomes. Andre

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> On Tue, 26 Mar 2002 10:59:37 GMT, "David G Fisher" > <[email hidden]> wrote: > > >>It doesn't have to be Sunday. I'd actually much prefer it was on Saturday. > > > Saturday is good for me.. how about the rest of you guys? > > And which tracks? My vote this time goes to Bristol and the Glen. > Or instead of 2 shorter races we could do one longer race.. imho the > longer the races, the more interesting Nascar becomes. > > Andre

I'm game. Fixed setups too? -- Fester "Beware the leader who bangs the drums of war in order to whip the citizenry into a patriotic fervor, for patriotism is indeed a double-edged sword. It both emboldens the blood, just as it narrows the mind. And when the drums of war have reached a fever pitch and the blood boils with hate and the mind has closed, the leader will have no need in seizing the rights of the citizenry. Rather, the citizenry, infused with fear and blinded by patriotism, will offer up all of their rights unto the leader and gladly so. How do I know? For this is what I have done. And I am Caesar." -- Julius Caesar

I had a blast in Sunday's race. Count me in if the RAS races continue. I'm open for either sat or sun. I like the longer races also Andre (at least 1 stop). Any track is fine w/me but I really do prefer the roadies. The Glen sounds really great to me! :) Mitch "Andre Warringa" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > On Tue, 26 Mar 2002 10:59:37 GMT, "David G Fisher" > <[email hidden]> wrote: > > >It doesn't have to be Sunday. I'd actually much prefer it was onSaturday.

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> > Saturday is good for me.. how about the rest of you guys? > > And which tracks? My vote this time goes to Bristol and the Glen. > Or instead of 2 shorter races we could do one longer race.. imho the > longer the races, the more interesting Nascar becomes. > > Andre

Bristol would be fine by me... and fixed setups to give us N2002 newbies a chance to go for glory ;) Mikkel Uncle Fester <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > David G Fisher wrote: > > ...how about we choose the track(s) early so we can get some practicetime > > in during the week? Some of us are new to this NASCAR stuff and havelittle

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> > experience with many of the tracks (like SP this past Sunday). > > > I nominate Bristol. > > -- > > Fester > > "Beware the leader who bangs the drums of war in order to whip the > citizenry into a patriotic fervor, for patriotism is indeed a > double-edged sword. It both emboldens the blood, just as it narrows the > mind. And when the drums of war have reached a fever pitch and the > blood boils with hate and the mind has closed, the leader will have no > need in seizing the rights of the citizenry. Rather, the citizenry, > infused with fear and blinded by patriotism, will offer up all of their > rights unto the leader and gladly so. How do I know? For this is what I > have done. And I am Caesar." -- Julius Caesar >

Saturday would be better than Sunday for me as its a NASCAR "race day" here in the USA and very often I have lots of people over to watch the race (and cook brunch for). Last Sunday was a very rare exception......I would almost never make it for Sunday RAS racing. Saturdays.....I could probably run in half the events. I run in a group made up of mostly real-world drivers on Monday nights. We have just recently switched from running GPL (the guys are almost all road racers) to N2K2. So, for the first time in a while I'm dialing-in N2K2 (or N4-like NASCAR type) online racing. I am very impressed with the N2K2 "fixed setups" (unlike I was with N4's).......they seem very good at the few places I've tried them (WG, SP, Phoenix, Pocono, Bristol and Tally). My lap times at WG and SP are almost the same on the fixed setup as on my own "open" setup. I also really like the fact that the race server can "reset the current session" instantly....including the "race" start. So, if you mistakenly get a big pile up at the start.....the race can be instantly "reset" without going through practice-qual-warmup all over again....that's a huge bonus to fun racing online - IMHO! What we're doing (and I only suggest this since most of the background of these guys is in road racing - not totally unlike the RAS drivers) is the following, and this seems to be very enjoyable to all drivers: 1. All races are on fixed setup, full pace, no yellows, no damage and realistic weather....they are all short (15%)....with 20 min practice, 5 min warmup. (We will change to running yellows and damage...and longer races with at least one pit stop....later in the year when everyone is more comfortable and up to speed running N2K2). 2. We run three races each night as follows: **Race #1: Road Course Race (the race track is chosen from this list: SP, WG, Pocono or Phoenix....both "road course like" tracks). **Race #2: Always either Daytona or Tally - just for plain old fun and grins, door-to-door - racing against good drivers is a blast at these tracks. **Race #3: Any other NASCAR track chosen by consensus after Race #2 is over.....so nobody has a chance to practice or come up to speed on it...except during the 20 minute practice time allotted. Its a real "eye opener" to who is....and who is not......a good sim driver/race driver! No "NASCAR" track can be repeated until all have been run in this Race #3 format. With BS chat between races....this all takes about 2 hrs to 2 1/2 hrs to run. Last night, we were all having so much fun we did a fourth race back at Tally. I suggest this only because this "format" seems like it would be good for the group of drivers that have expressed an interest in running "weekend" RAS group races in N2K2. Only a thought. Regards, Tom "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:l3Pn8.85885$[email hidden]... > ...how about we choose the track(s) early so we can get some practice time > in during the week? Some of us are new to this NASCAR stuff and havelittle

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> experience with many of the tracks (like SP this past Sunday). > > David G Fisher > > > >

No WC or BGN race this weekend. "Tom Pabst" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:Vb2o8.113989$[email hidden]... > Saturday would be better than Sunday for me as its a NASCAR "race day"here > in the USA and very often I have lots of people over to watch the race(and > cook brunch for). Last Sunday was a very rare exception......I wouldalmost > never make it for Sunday RAS racing. Saturdays.....I could probably runin > half the events. > > I run in a group made up of mostly real-world drivers on Monday nights.We > have just recently switched from running GPL (the guys are almost all road > racers) to N2K2. So, for the first time in a while I'm dialing-in N2K2(or > N4-like NASCAR type) online racing. I am very impressed with the N2K2 > "fixed setups" (unlike I was with N4's).......they seem very good at thefew > places I've tried them (WG, SP, Phoenix, Pocono, Bristol and Tally). Mylap > times at WG and SP are almost the same on the fixed setup as on my own > "open" setup. I also really like the fact that the race server can "reset > the current session" instantly....including the "race" start. So, if you > mistakenly get a big pile up at the start.....the race can be instantly > "reset" without going through practice-qual-warmup all overagain....that's

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> a huge bonus to fun racing online - IMHO! > > What we're doing (and I only suggest this since most of the background of > these guys is in road racing - not totally unlike the RAS drivers) is the > following, and this seems to be very enjoyable to all drivers: > > 1. All races are on fixed setup, full pace, no yellows, no damage and > realistic weather....they are all short (15%)....with 20 min practice, 5

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> warmup. (We will change to running yellows and damage...and longer races > with at least one pit stop....later in the year when everyone is more > comfortable and up to speed running N2K2). > 2. We run three races each night as follows: > **Race #1: Road Course Race (the race track is chosen from this list: > SP, WG, Pocono or Phoenix....both "road course like" tracks). > **Race #2: Always either Daytona or Tally - just for plain old fun

and > grins, door-to-door - racing against good drivers is a blast at these > tracks. > **Race #3: Any other NASCAR track chosen by consensus after Race #2is > over.....so nobody has a chance to practice or come up to speed on > it...except during the 20 minute practice time allotted. Its a real "eye > opener" to who is....and who is not......a good sim driver/race driver!No

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> "NASCAR" track can be repeated until all have been run in this Race #3 > format. > > With BS chat between races....this all takes about 2 hrs to 2 1/2 hrs to > run. Last night, we were all having so much fun we did a fourth race back > at Tally. > > I suggest this only because this "format" seems like it would be good for > the group of drivers that have expressed an interest in running "weekend" > RAS group races in N2K2. Only a thought. > > Regards, > > Tom > > > > > "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:l3Pn8.85885$[email hidden]... > > ...how about we choose the track(s) early so we can get some practice

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> > in during the week? Some of us are new to this NASCAR stuff and have > little > > experience with many of the tracks (like SP this past Sunday). > > > > David G Fisher > > > > > > > > > >

But Easter Sunday...may upset a few families... fortunately F1 will run fairly early. dave henrie "Mike Grandy" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:mj2o8.14730$8%[email hidden]... > No WC or BGN race this weekend. > > "

"Andre Warringa" wrote...

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> > <snip> > Saturday is good for me.. how about the rest of you guys? > > And which tracks? My vote this time goes to Bristol and the > Glen. Or instead of 2 shorter races we could do one longer > race.. imho the longer the races, the more interesting > Nascar becomes.

I could go for that... would have zero practise, obviously, but that didn't seem much of a problem Sunday (other than winning was out of the question ;-)). Would also prefer one longer race... pitting at least once would be good. Jan. =---

On Tue, 26 Mar 2002 16:59:25 GMT, Uncle Fester <[email hidden]> wrote: >I'm game. Fixed setups too? Yes please. At least I can't blame the setup then when I lose :) Andre

Saturday afternoon is ok with me; I work until 330 pm EST. -John "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:twYn8.91710$[email hidden]...

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> It doesn't have to be Sunday. I'd actually much prefer it was on Saturday. > > David G Fisher > > "Andre Warringa" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > On Tue, 26 Mar 2002 11:06:08 +0100, "Ed Solheim" <[email hidden]> > > wrote: > > > > >I cannot make it as I'm going away.... but if I were to make a > suggestion - > > >it would be the Brickyard... one of my fav. tracks in N4.. > > > > > >Come to think of it - if you get a good sized field, then a long (50%+) > SS > > >race would be a blast. > > > > > >-- > > >ed_ > > > > > > > Unfortunately I can't make it either coming Sunday :-/ > > > > Andre > > > >

Personally, I'd rather see one longer race, or two medium ones. Short races tend to produce a sprint mentality, and that's rarely good IMO. Also, I think falling into the habit of restarting races would be a bad one for the RAS races; usually creates more problems than it solves. Just my .02 -John "Tom Pabst" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:Vb2o8.113989$[email hidden]... > Saturday would be better than Sunday for me as its a NASCAR "race day"here > in the USA and very often I have lots of people over to watch the race(and > cook brunch for). Last Sunday was a very rare exception......I wouldalmost > never make it for Sunday RAS racing. Saturdays.....I could probably runin > half the events. > > I run in a group made up of mostly real-world drivers on Monday nights.We > have just recently switched from running GPL (the guys are almost all road > racers) to N2K2. So, for the first time in a while I'm dialing-in N2K2(or > N4-like NASCAR type) online racing. I am very impressed with the N2K2 > "fixed setups" (unlike I was with N4's).......they seem very good at thefew > places I've tried them (WG, SP, Phoenix, Pocono, Bristol and Tally). Mylap > times at WG and SP are almost the same on the fixed setup as on my own > "open" setup. I also really like the fact that the race server can "reset > the current session" instantly....including the "race" start. So, if you > mistakenly get a big pile up at the start.....the race can be instantly > "reset" without going through practice-qual-warmup all overagain....that's

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> a huge bonus to fun racing online - IMHO! > > What we're doing (and I only suggest this since most of the background of > these guys is in road racing - not totally unlike the RAS drivers) is the > following, and this seems to be very enjoyable to all drivers: > > 1. All races are on fixed setup, full pace, no yellows, no damage and > realistic weather....they are all short (15%)....with 20 min practice, 5

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> warmup. (We will change to running yellows and damage...and longer races > with at least one pit stop....later in the year when everyone is more > comfortable and up to speed running N2K2). > 2. We run three races each night as follows: > **Race #1: Road Course Race (the race track is chosen from this list: > SP, WG, Pocono or Phoenix....both "road course like" tracks). > **Race #2: Always either Daytona or Tally - just for plain old fun

and > grins, door-to-door - racing against good drivers is a blast at these > tracks. > **Race #3: Any other NASCAR track chosen by consensus after Race #2is > over.....so nobody has a chance to practice or come up to speed on > it...except during the 20 minute practice time allotted. Its a real "eye > opener" to who is....and who is not......a good sim driver/race driver!No

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> "NASCAR" track can be repeated until all have been run in this Race #3 > format. > > With BS chat between races....this all takes about 2 hrs to 2 1/2 hrs to > run. Last night, we were all having so much fun we did a fourth race back > at Tally. > > I suggest this only because this "format" seems like it would be good for > the group of drivers that have expressed an interest in running "weekend" > RAS group races in N2K2. Only a thought. > > Regards, > > Tom > > > > > "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:l3Pn8.85885$[email hidden]... > > ...how about we choose the track(s) early so we can get some practice

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> > in during the week? Some of us are new to this NASCAR stuff and have > little > > experience with many of the tracks (like SP this past Sunday). > > > > David G Fisher > > > > > > > > > >

BTW: what FF settings do you use with N2k2? -Both in game and in MOMO properties? Can't seem to get "really" comfortable for both ovals and roadcourses myself. Jan. =--- "Andre Warringa" wrote... > <snip>

I agree about the restarts. The TPTCC does NOT restart unless the whole field gets disco'd. If there is a big first turn wreck, even if the favorites get whallopped, that's racing(boy did we have some complainers about that one) Judging from the first shaky efforts, everybody tried to give room. I don't think it will be a problem. dave henrie "John Pancoast" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Personally, I'd rather see one longer race, or two medium ones. Short > races tend to produce a sprint mentality, and that's rarely good IMO.Also, > I think falling into the habit of restarting races would be a bad one for > the RAS races; usually creates more problems than it solves. > > Just my .02 > > -John

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> "Andre Warringa" wrote... > > > <snip> > > Saturday is good for me.. how about the rest of you guys? > > > > And which tracks? My vote this time goes to Bristol and the > > Glen. Or instead of 2 shorter races we could do one longer > > race.. imho the longer the races, the more interesting > > Nascar becomes. > > I could go for that... would have zero practise, obviously, but that didn't > seem much of a problem Sunday (other than winning was out of the question > ;-)). > > Would also prefer one longer race... pitting at least once would be good. > > Jan. > =---

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"John Simmons" > A 50% race anywhere would require at least one pit stop. Bristol or > Watkins Glen would be good. Having just run a 125 lapper at Bristol, I will make this suggestion....IF you must race there, have it the last race. Get some good laps in at Watkins and Daytonna before you go there...Bristol will be a nightmare and if folks get their noses outta shape, they will have a week to get over it... dave (I'd STILL be there tomorrow if I had yellows enabled) henrie 130+ laps in N2002 45 + laps in ALMS mod for F1 2001 15 laps in DTMHeat since the last system barf.... dave henrie

On Tue, 26 Mar 2002 21:22:25 +0100, "Jan Verschueren" <[email hidden]> wrote: >BTW: what FF settings do you use with N2k2? -Both in game and in MOMO >properties? Momo props the same as for GPL: total strength 100% springeffect 0% damping 5% centrespring off ofcourse :) N2002: total strength 100% Lat and damping both on 0%. Like it very much allready but haven't even experimented with the lat/damping values. Allmost full-lineair, 98%. >Can't seem to get "really" comfortable for both ovals and roadcourses >myself. With the ff you mean? Or racing those Nascars in general? Andre

"John Simmons" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > In article <[email hidden]>, > A 50% race anywhere would require at least one pit stop. Bristol or > Watkins Glen would be good. 50% at Bristol is 250 laps. You can go for 186 laps before you need fuel, but approximately when do tires go bad (assuming you are driving fairly smooth)? David G Fisher

I don't think one restart would be a bad thing. They do it in F1. This is for fun after all, and it would be pretty crappy for someone to look forward to a race all week, make plans, and then get totaled through no fault of their own at the start. You can't control what happens behind you. David G Fisher "Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:rm5o8.111814$Yv2.33512@rwcrnsc54...

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> I agree about the restarts. The TPTCC does NOT restart unless the whole > field gets disco'd. If there is a big first turn wreck, even if the > favorites get whallopped, that's racing(boy did we have some complainers > about that one) > Judging from the first shaky efforts, everybody tried to give room. I > don't think it will be a problem. > dave henrie > "John Pancoast" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > Personally, I'd rather see one longer race, or two medium ones. Short > > races tend to produce a sprint mentality, and that's rarely good IMO. > Also, > > I think falling into the habit of restarting races would be a bad one

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> > the RAS races; usually creates more problems than it solves. > > > > Just my .02 > > > > -John > > >

True, but the problem is, people start taking chances they wouldn't otherwise, knowing, big deal, we'll just restart. Guarantee it; doesn't matter who it is. And with the shakey damage model anyway, it takes a hell of a whomp to matter anyway. -John "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:lk7o8.103574$[email hidden]... > I don't think one restart would be a bad thing. They do it in F1. This is > for fun after all, and it would be pretty crappy for someone to lookforward

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> to a race all week, make plans, and then get totaled through no fault of > their own at the start. You can't control what happens behind you. > > David G Fisher > > "Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:rm5o8.111814$Yv2.33512@rwcrnsc54... > > I agree about the restarts. The TPTCC does NOT restart unless the

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> > field gets disco'd. If there is a big first turn wreck, even if the > > favorites get whallopped, that's racing(boy did we have some complainers > > about that one) > > Judging from the first shaky efforts, everybody tried to give room. I > > don't think it will be a problem. > > dave henrie > > "John Pancoast" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:[email hidden]... > > > Personally, I'd rather see one longer race, or two medium ones.

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> > > races tend to produce a sprint mentality, and that's rarely good IMO. > > Also, > > > I think falling into the habit of restarting races would be a bad one > for > > > the RAS races; usually creates more problems than it solves. > > > > > > Just my .02 > > > > > > -John > > > > > > > >

LOOONG before a 186 laps<G> Fuel isn't usually an issue at Bristol. -John "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:kj7o8.427873$[email hidden]...

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> > "John Simmons" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > In article <[email hidden]>, > > A 50% race anywhere would require at least one pit stop. Bristol or > > Watkins Glen would be good. > > 50% at Bristol is 250 laps. You can go for 186 laps before you need fuel, > but approximately when do tires go bad (assuming you are driving fairly > smooth)? > > David G Fisher > > >

"David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:twYn8.91710$[email hidden]... > It doesn't have to be Sunday. I'd actually much prefer it was on Saturday. > > David G Fisher > Saturday is a no go for me until after 7:30pm GMT. I don't get back from watching the football (soccer) until then. If it after that I'll definitely race. Phil --- Racesim Central Administrator http://www.racesimcentral.com

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> > <snip> > Momo props the same as for GPL: > total strength 100% > springeffect 0% > damping 5% > centrespring off ofcourse :) > > N2002: total strength 100% > Lat and damping both on 0%. Like it very much > allready but haven't even experimented with > the lat/damping values. Allmost full-lineair, > 98%.

Interesting... could be I've been confusing myself with the spring effect and damping settings having an influence. Must experiment. Don't you get oscillations when driving "hands off" on the roadcourses? > > <snip> > With the ff you mean? Or racing those Nascars in general? I don't think the tin tops are a problem as such, but more the finesse and tactical accumen required on the ovals. This, however, can be learned once the control setup inspires confidence. That said, I used to about as good in N2 as I am in GPL now, so I'm no stranger, just that driving N4 and N2k2 have hit home how hard Cup racing really is. As above, could be I'm confusing myself, but with a reasonably good road course setting I have almost zero FF on the ovals, eventhough by virtue of the speed and the banking the loads *should* theoritically be higher there. I can almost turn the wheel 15 degrees before any centering force can be detected. On the other hand... a comfortable setting on the ovals, i.e. wheel produces some centering force as soon as it's turned, the wheel is literally wrenched from my hands on the roadcourses. Thanks for the input, I'll experiment with similar settings. Jan. =---

I like your race routine, especially the SS races, but it looks like they want a long Bristol race this weekend. Still hope we do a second race. Even a 250 lapper is only a little over an hour worth of racing. David G Fisher "Tom Pabst" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:Vb2o8.113989$[email hidden]... > Saturday would be better than Sunday for me as its a NASCAR "race day"here > in the USA and very often I have lots of people over to watch the race(and > cook brunch for). Last Sunday was a very rare exception......I wouldalmost > never make it for Sunday RAS racing. Saturdays.....I could probably runin > half the events. > > I run in a group made up of mostly real-world drivers on Monday nights.We > have just recently switched from running GPL (the guys are almost all road > racers) to N2K2. So, for the first time in a while I'm dialing-in N2K2(or > N4-like NASCAR type) online racing. I am very impressed with the N2K2 > "fixed setups" (unlike I was with N4's).......they seem very good at thefew > places I've tried them (WG, SP, Phoenix, Pocono, Bristol and Tally). Mylap > times at WG and SP are almost the same on the fixed setup as on my own > "open" setup. I also really like the fact that the race server can "reset > the current session" instantly....including the "race" start. So, if you > mistakenly get a big pile up at the start.....the race can be instantly > "reset" without going through practice-qual-warmup all overagain....that's

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> a huge bonus to fun racing online - IMHO! > > What we're doing (and I only suggest this since most of the background of > these guys is in road racing - not totally unlike the RAS drivers) is the > following, and this seems to be very enjoyable to all drivers: > > 1. All races are on fixed setup, full pace, no yellows, no damage and > realistic weather....they are all short (15%)....with 20 min practice, 5

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> warmup. (We will change to running yellows and damage...and longer races > with at least one pit stop....later in the year when everyone is more > comfortable and up to speed running N2K2). > 2. We run three races each night as follows: > **Race #1: Road Course Race (the race track is chosen from this list: > SP, WG, Pocono or Phoenix....both "road course like" tracks). > **Race #2: Always either Daytona or Tally - just for plain old fun

and > grins, door-to-door - racing against good drivers is a blast at these > tracks. > **Race #3: Any other NASCAR track chosen by consensus after Race #2is > over.....so nobody has a chance to practice or come up to speed on > it...except during the 20 minute practice time allotted. Its a real "eye > opener" to who is....and who is not......a good sim driver/race driver!No

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> "NASCAR" track can be repeated until all have been run in this Race #3 > format. > > With BS chat between races....this all takes about 2 hrs to 2 1/2 hrs to > run. Last night, we were all having so much fun we did a fourth race back > at Tally. > > I suggest this only because this "format" seems like it would be good for > the group of drivers that have expressed an interest in running "weekend" > RAS group races in N2K2. Only a thought. > > Regards, > > Tom > > > > > "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:l3Pn8.85885$[email hidden]... > > ...how about we choose the track(s) early so we can get some practice

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> > in during the week? Some of us are new to this NASCAR stuff and have > little > > experience with many of the tracks (like SP this past Sunday). > > > > David G Fisher > > > > > > > > > >

"Jan Verschueren" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > > As above, could be I'm confusing myself, but with a reasonably goodroad > course setting I have almost zero FF on the ovals, eventhough byvirtue of > the speed and the banking the loads *should* theoritically be higherthere. > I can almost turn the wheel 15 degrees before any centering force canbe > detected. On the other hand... a comfortable setting on the ovals,i.e. > wheel produces some centering force as soon as it's turned, the wheelis > literally wrenched from my hands on the roadcourses. > Could be the difference in steering ratio. The included road course setups are around 12:1 IIRC, whereas I think the oval setups are at least double that. Double the ratio equals half the torque, if it's realistic. But also I think the forces are lower in general in NR2002 because of the changes they made to the tire model.

"Jan Verschueren" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > > As above, could be I'm confusing myself, but with a reasonably good road > course setting I have almost zero FF on the ovals, eventhough by virtue of > the speed and the banking the loads *should* theoritically be higherthere.

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> I can almost turn the wheel 15 degrees before any centering force can be > detected. On the other hand... a comfortable setting on the ovals, i.e. > wheel produces some centering force as soon as it's turned, the wheel is > literally wrenched from my hands on the roadcourses. > > Thanks for the input, I'll experiment with similar settings. > > Jan.

Similiar experience for me with my Ferrari wheel. Hitting the transition from t he apron to the banking at a track like Daytona has very little effect as well. David G Fisher

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> > On Tue, 26 Mar 2002 10:59:37 GMT, "David G Fisher" > <[email hidden]> wrote: > > >It doesn't have to be Sunday. I'd actually much prefer it was on Saturday. > > Saturday is good for me.. how about the rest of you guys? > > And which tracks? My vote this time goes to Bristol and the Glen. > Or instead of 2 shorter races we could do one longer race.. imho the > longer the races, the more interesting Nascar becomes. > > Andre

Saturday works for me too. My track selections in order of preference: POCONO POCONO POCONO POCONO POCONO " " Gary

I missed the first race - my own fault, I failed to see the announcement. When you've agreed on a racedate this time, could someone please upload a message with a distinct and clear subject so that even dummies can recognize it immediately for what it is? :-) TIA Achim

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> > "John Simmons" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > In article <[email hidden]>, > > A 50% race anywhere would require at least one pit stop. Bristol or > > Watkins Glen would be good. > > 50% at Bristol is 250 laps. You can go for 186 laps before you need fuel, > but approximately when do tires go bad (assuming you are driving fairly > smooth)? > > David G Fisher

The way I drive, it would be far fewer than 180 laps. Consider the amount of slipping and sliding you do just to avoid accidents, and you'll probably eat up the tires a little sooner than you'd expect. I just drive until the crew chiew tells me my tires ar worn out or that I need gas. :) -- ========================================================= Redneck Techno-Biker & "programming deity" http://www.paddedwall.org/john DeMONS/1 for Nascar Racing 3 & Nascar Legends http://www.paddedwall.org/demons DeMONS/2 for Nascar Racing 4 and 2002 Season (in development) http://www.paddedwall.org/demons2 Barbarian Diecast Collector (460+ cars and counting) http://www.paddedwall.org/diecast If you want to send me email, go to the first URL shown above & click "Send Me Mail" in the contents frame. =========================================================

Would 4pm EST / 9pm GMT be good for everyone? This would allow Phil and John to make it. David G Fisher "Phil Lee" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:6M7o8.138$[email hidden]... > > "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:twYn8.91710$[email hidden]... > > It doesn't have to be Sunday. I'd actually much prefer it was onSaturday. > > > > David G Fisher > > > > Saturday is a no go for me until after 7:30pm GMT. I don't get back from > watching the football (soccer) until then. If it after that I'lldefinitely

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> race. > > Phil > --- > Racesim Central Administrator > http://www.racesimcentral.com > >

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> >to make it. > > > >David G Fisher > > Fine by me > > Andre

On Wed, 27 Mar 2002 22:28:19 GMT, "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote: >Would 4pm EST / 9pm GMT be good for everyone? This would allow Phil and John >to make it. > >David G Fisher Fine by me Andre

"David G Fisher" wrote... > Would 4pm EST / 9pm GMT be good for everyone? This > would allow Phil and John to make it. > 10pm CET Saturday... <checks>... yup, fine, no problem. Jan. =---

Saturday. So your lock ups are over now since installing new memory? I may try that. I just was in a surprisingly good SP pick up race and on the last lap I was passing someone for third place when the f****n screen froze again sending me into the pit wall and ending my race. David G Fisher "Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:82so8.118570$Yv2.35780@rwcrnsc54... > Saturday or Sunday??? > dh > "Andre Warringa" > >Would 4pm EST / 9pm GMT be good for everyone? Thiswould

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> allow Phil and John > > >to make it. > > > > > >David G Fisher > > > > Fine by me > > > > Andre > > >

"David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:Ctso8.442977$[email hidden]... > Saturday. > > So your lock ups are over now since installing new memory? Several Hundred laps now with no problems in about 4 different sims. The WIERD thing is...I basically took back my Crucial PC133 ram that I had last year. Gave that and the dead pieces from my first burned out Athlon to him. So a couple of days ago, I yanked out my generic ram and took the Crucial. Stuck the generic into his box....he has had NO problems...NONE....no slowdowns no freezes NOTHING>>>!!! I'm fairly convinced that the RAM must not have been seated properly in the memory slot. I put the Crucial back into the same slot as the generic came from so other than that guess....I'm at a loss. Kinda sucks that it took me a month to figure that out.... Haven't ventured online yet tho....But I do have a practice ALMS thing I might try tonight.. dave henrie > > I may try that. I just was in a surprisingly good SP pick up race and onthe > last lap I was passing someone for third place when the f****n screenfroze > again sending me into the pit wall and ending my race. > > David G Fisher I should make Saturday...I'm off this week for Vacation, but after that...most Saturday's I'm working til about 6pm pacific time...but I'm more than happy to miss events if it works better for the majority. dave henrie

I wasn't necessarily saying we "had to restart"....I said I liked that feature in N2K2 for fun online races. You get 8 guys running a 20 lapper at Daytona....and 7 guys get taken out in the T1 start.......what the hell fun is that? Certainly a waste of time to let one driver run around for the next 19 laps by himself while everyone waits for the race to be over and run the next one. That's....where this "restart capability" comes in handy....IMHO. This is online racing for fun.....no season points.....no "keeping score"....so I think using the "restart feature" judiciously just makes lots of sense. The "three race" format allows the "race event" to have "something" for everyone. It also allows some guys who maybe don't make it to the exact start time....to join in any of the three races. Or, maybe they only have time to run one short race.....so they still can participate. This just makes sense to me considering the type of racing this is about (non-league....buddy to buddy racing). Tom "John Pancoast" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Personally, I'd rather see one longer race, or two medium ones. Short > races tend to produce a sprint mentality, and that's rarely good IMO.Also,

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> I think falling into the habit of restarting races would be a bad one for > the RAS races; usually creates more problems than it solves. > > Just my .02 > > -John > > > "Tom Pabst" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:Vb2o8.113989$[email hidden]... > > Saturday would be better than Sunday for me as its a NASCAR "race day" > here > > in the USA and very often I have lots of people over to watch the race > (and > > cook brunch for). Last Sunday was a very rare exception......I would > almost > > never make it for Sunday RAS racing. Saturdays.....I could probably run > in > > half the events. > > > > I run in a group made up of mostly real-world drivers on Monday nights. > We > > have just recently switched from running GPL (the guys are almost all

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> > racers) to N2K2. So, for the first time in a while I'm dialing-in N2K2 > (or > > N4-like NASCAR type) online racing. I am very impressed with the N2K2 > > "fixed setups" (unlike I was with N4's).......they seem very good at the > few > > places I've tried them (WG, SP, Phoenix, Pocono, Bristol and Tally). My > lap > > times at WG and SP are almost the same on the fixed setup as on my own > > "open" setup. I also really like the fact that the race server can

"reset > > the current session" instantly....including the "race" start. So, ifyou > > mistakenly get a big pile up at the start.....the race can be instantly > > "reset" without going through practice-qual-warmup all over > again....that's > > a huge bonus to fun racing online - IMHO! > > > > What we're doing (and I only suggest this since most of the backgroundof > > these guys is in road racing - not totally unlike the RAS drivers) isthe

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> > following, and this seems to be very enjoyable to all drivers: > > > > 1. All races are on fixed setup, full pace, no yellows, no damage and > > realistic weather....they are all short (15%)....with 20 min practice, 5 > min > > warmup. (We will change to running yellows and damage...and longer races > > with at least one pit stop....later in the year when everyone is more > > comfortable and up to speed running N2K2). > > 2. We run three races each night as follows: > > **Race #1: Road Course Race (the race track is chosen from this

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> > SP, WG, Pocono or Phoenix....both "road course like" tracks). > > **Race #2: Always either Daytona or Tally - just for plain old fun > and > > grins, door-to-door - racing against good drivers is a blast at these > > tracks. > > **Race #3: Any other NASCAR track chosen by consensus after Race #2 > is > > over.....so nobody has a chance to practice or come up to speed on > > it...except during the 20 minute practice time allotted. Its a real

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> > opener" to who is....and who is not......a good sim driver/race driver! > No > > "NASCAR" track can be repeated until all have been run in this Race #3 > > format. > > > > With BS chat between races....this all takes about 2 hrs to 2 1/2 hrs to > > run. Last night, we were all having so much fun we did a fourth race

back > > at Tally. > > > > I suggest this only because this "format" seems like it would be goodfor > > the group of drivers that have expressed an interest in running"weekend"

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> > RAS group races in N2K2. Only a thought. > > > > Regards, > > > > Tom > > > > > > > > > > "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:l3Pn8.85885$[email hidden]... > > > ...how about we choose the track(s) early so we can get some practice > time > > > in during the week? Some of us are new to this NASCAR stuff and have > > little > > > experience with many of the tracks (like SP this past Sunday). > > > > > > David G Fisher > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

Count me out if its a Bristol race. I hate that place (to race)....its like racing inside a washing machine, with the spin cycle set on "fast"......and I have better things to do than throw up all over myself...which happens often when I sim race at Bristol.....I get vertigo at that track really bad. TP PS: My "absence" is not a reason not to run Bristol....just saying I won't do it. "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:XV8o8.105004$[email hidden]... > I like your race routine, especially the SS races, but it looks like they > want a long Bristol race this weekend. Still hope we do a second race.Even

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> a 250 lapper is only a little over an hour worth of racing. > > David G Fisher > > > > "Tom Pabst" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:Vb2o8.113989$[email hidden]... > > Saturday would be better than Sunday for me as its a NASCAR "race day" > here > > in the USA and very often I have lots of people over to watch the race > (and > > cook brunch for). Last Sunday was a very rare exception......I would > almost > > never make it for Sunday RAS racing. Saturdays.....I could probably run > in > > half the events. > > > > I run in a group made up of mostly real-world drivers on Monday nights. > We > > have just recently switched from running GPL (the guys are almost all

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> > racers) to N2K2. So, for the first time in a while I'm dialing-in N2K2 > (or > > N4-like NASCAR type) online racing. I am very impressed with the N2K2 > > "fixed setups" (unlike I was with N4's).......they seem very good at the > few > > places I've tried them (WG, SP, Phoenix, Pocono, Bristol and Tally). My > lap > > times at WG and SP are almost the same on the fixed setup as on my own > > "open" setup. I also really like the fact that the race server can

"reset > > the current session" instantly....including the "race" start. So, ifyou > > mistakenly get a big pile up at the start.....the race can be instantly > > "reset" without going through practice-qual-warmup all over > again....that's > > a huge bonus to fun racing online - IMHO! > > > > What we're doing (and I only suggest this since most of the backgroundof > > these guys is in road racing - not totally unlike the RAS drivers) isthe

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> > following, and this seems to be very enjoyable to all drivers: > > > > 1. All races are on fixed setup, full pace, no yellows, no damage and > > realistic weather....they are all short (15%)....with 20 min practice, 5 > min > > warmup. (We will change to running yellows and damage...and longer races > > with at least one pit stop....later in the year when everyone is more > > comfortable and up to speed running N2K2). > > 2. We run three races each night as follows: > > **Race #1: Road Course Race (the race track is chosen from this

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> > SP, WG, Pocono or Phoenix....both "road course like" tracks). > > **Race #2: Always either Daytona or Tally - just for plain old fun > and > > grins, door-to-door - racing against good drivers is a blast at these > > tracks. > > **Race #3: Any other NASCAR track chosen by consensus after Race #2 > is > > over.....so nobody has a chance to practice or come up to speed on > > it...except during the 20 minute practice time allotted. Its a real

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> > opener" to who is....and who is not......a good sim driver/race driver! > No > > "NASCAR" track can be repeated until all have been run in this Race #3 > > format. > > > > With BS chat between races....this all takes about 2 hrs to 2 1/2 hrs to > > run. Last night, we were all having so much fun we did a fourth race

back > > at Tally. > > > > I suggest this only because this "format" seems like it would be goodfor > > the group of drivers that have expressed an interest in running"weekend"

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> > RAS group races in N2K2. Only a thought. > > > > Regards, > > > > Tom > > > > > > > > > > "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:l3Pn8.85885$[email hidden]... > > > ...how about we choose the track(s) early so we can get some practice > time > > > in during the week? Some of us are new to this NASCAR stuff and have > > little > > > experience with many of the tracks (like SP this past Sunday). > > > > > > David G Fisher > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> Kinda sucks that it took me a month to figure that out.... > Haven't ventured online yet tho....But I do have a practice ALMS thing I >might try tonight.. I'll have my server running again tonight. Feel free to join... Eldred -- Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPLRank - under construction... Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

>Would 4pm EST / 9pm GMT be good for everyone? This would allow Phil and John >to make it. A weekly thing? Even if I can't make it(MoG or OSRL races), I can setup the server to run... Eldred -- Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPLRank - under construction... Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

>I have better things to do than throw up all over myself...which happens >often when I sim race at Bristol.....I get vertigo at that track really bad. > No kidding? That sucks... Eldred -- Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPLRank - under construction... Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

To be honest, I'm not sure how I'm going to last the whole race due to the "washing machine" effect of that track. Maybe I'll take some motion sickness pills before the race starts. :-) David G Fisher "Tom Pabst" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:JOvo8.122606$[email hidden]... > Count me out if its a Bristol race. I hate that place (to race)....itslike > racing inside a washing machine, with the spin cycle set on"fast"......and > I have better things to do than throw up all over myself...which happens > often when I sim race at Bristol.....I get vertigo at that track reallybad. > > TP > > PS: My "absence" is not a reason not to run Bristol....just saying Iwon't > do it.

On Thu, 28 Mar 2002 21:41:27 GMT, "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote: >To be honest, I'm not sure how I'm going to last the whole race due to the >"washing machine" effect of that track. Maybe I'll take some motion sickness >pills before the race starts. :-) > >David G Fisher So it's going to be WG and Bristol? Andre

I guess. So it's Saturday, 4pm EST (practice begins for half an hour??) 50% Bristol and maybe 25% WG (23 laps with half hour of practice)? Fixed <fast> setup. Realistic damage. What about yellows? I hope we can get to some tracks in following weeks where we can open the throttle and let loose. David G Fisher "Andre Warringa" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > On Thu, 28 Mar 2002 21:41:27 GMT, "David G Fisher" > <[email hidden]> wrote: > > >To be honest, I'm not sure how I'm going to last the whole race due tothe > >"washing machine" effect of that track. Maybe I'll take some motionsickness

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BTW, what's a good WG lap time? David G Fisher "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:hcPo8.461933$[email hidden]...

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> I guess. > > So it's Saturday, 4pm EST (practice begins for half an hour??) > > 50% Bristol and maybe 25% WG (23 laps with half hour of practice)? > > Fixed <fast> setup. > > Realistic damage. > > What about yellows? > > I hope we can get to some tracks in following weeks where we can open the > throttle and let loose. > > David G Fisher > > > > "Andre Warringa" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > On Thu, 28 Mar 2002 21:41:27 GMT, "David G Fisher" > > <[email hidden]> wrote: > > > > >To be honest, I'm not sure how I'm going to last the whole race due to > the > > >"washing machine" effect of that track. Maybe I'll take some motion > sickness > > >pills before the race starts. :-) > > > > > >David G Fisher > > > > So it's going to be WG and Bristol? > > > > Andre > > > >

Yellows would be fine with me, fwiw. -John "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:hcPo8.461933$[email hidden]...

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> I guess. > > So it's Saturday, 4pm EST (practice begins for half an hour??) > > 50% Bristol and maybe 25% WG (23 laps with half hour of practice)? > > Fixed <fast> setup. > > Realistic damage. > > What about yellows? > > I hope we can get to some tracks in following weeks where we can open the > throttle and let loose. > > David G Fisher > > > > "Andre Warringa" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > On Thu, 28 Mar 2002 21:41:27 GMT, "David G Fisher" > > <[email hidden]> wrote: > > > > >To be honest, I'm not sure how I'm going to last the whole race due to > the > > >"washing machine" effect of that track. Maybe I'll take some motion > sickness > > >pills before the race starts. :-) > > > > > >David G Fisher > > > > So it's going to be WG and Bristol? > > > > Andre > > > >

On 28 Mar 2002 19:25:51 GMT, [email hidden] (EldredP) wrote: >>Would 4pm EST / 9pm GMT be good for everyone? This would allow Phil and John >>to make it. > >A weekly thing? Even if I can't make it(MoG or OSRL races), I can setup the >server to run... Lol, I allready assumed the RAS-races would be a weekly thing :)) Btw - you drive in MoG? I never knew that! Andre

On Fri, 29 Mar 2002 01:12:45 GMT, "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote: >What about yellows? Yellow on please.. Andre

On Fri, 29 Mar 2002 01:12:45 GMT, "David G Fisher" >What about yellows? Yellow on please.. Andre

On Fri, 29 Mar 2002 01:35:43 GMT, "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote: >BTW, what's a good WG lap time? > >David G Fisher With the quali setup I can do 1:15, but some people I know drive 1:14 easily :-/ During races I'm much slower, 1:17 laps or so, otherwise my tires won't last more than 5 laps :) Andre

Depends on the weather. On sierra.com, with up to 25% racelength, at 70� you'll see low 15's in Q and between mid 15's and high 16's in the R. At ~87�, you'll probably see medium-high 1:15's in Q and high 15's to high 16's in R. These times are valid for the fixed Papy setup. With custom setups, times will be up to a second faster I'd guess. Hotlaps I don't know, my personal best is a 1:13. Achim "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:PxPo8.125256$[email hidden]... > BTW, what's a good WG lap time?

btw, I was on Eldreds server last night, kept looking and coming back for about an hour, nobody there except myself! Achim Whets the password? I saw the server, but forgot the password. D'oh!! -- Richard "ZZ" Busch Member: Screamers Racing League GPL Rank + 22.059 MoGPL Rank + 369.86 ---------------- Busch Motorsports: Remember racecar is racecar spelled backward ----------------- Busch Carpentry: Plans? Oh, you mean that napkin sketch? -----------------

btw, I was on Eldreds server last night, kept looking and coming back for about an hour, nobody there except myself! Achim Whets the password? I saw the server, but forgot the password. D'oh!! -- Richard "ZZ" Busch Member: Screamers Racing League GPL Rank + 22.059 MoGPL Rank + 369.86 ---------------- Busch Motorsports: Remember racecar is racecar spelled backward ----------------- Busch Carpentry: Plans? Oh, you mean that napkin sketch? -----------------

btw, I was on Eldreds server last night, kept looking and coming back for about an hour, nobody there except myself! Achim "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:l3Pn8.85885$[email hidden]... > ...how about we choose the track(s) early so we can get some practice time > in during the week? Some of us are new to this NASCAR stuff and havelittle > experience with many of the tracks (like SP this past Sunday). > > David G Fisher

ZZ!!! It's "ras". I was on for a bit when bristol was up but had to leave at about 7:15 eastern. Turned a 117.395 mph lap (0:16.114 I think). I was the only one there when I left. In article <AaYo8.47862$[email hidden]>, "Richard \"ZZ\" Busch" <[email hidden]> says...

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> btw, I was on Eldreds server last night, kept looking and coming back for > about an hour, nobody there except myself! > > Achim > > > Whets the password? I saw the server, but forgot the password. D'oh!! > > > -- > Richard "ZZ" Busch >

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the password is ras :-) (without the smiley <g>) Achim "Richard "ZZ" Busch" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:AaYo8.47862$[email hidden]...

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> btw, I was on Eldreds server last night, kept looking and coming back for > about an hour, nobody there except myself! > > Achim > > > Whets the password? I saw the server, but forgot the password. D'oh!! > > > -- > Richard "ZZ" Busch > > Member: > Screamers Racing League > GPL Rank + 22.059 > MoGPL Rank + 369.86 > > ---------------- > Busch Motorsports: > Remember racecar is racecar spelled backward > ----------------- > Busch Carpentry: > Plans? Oh, you mean that napkin sketch? > ----------------- > > > > > >

"Andre Warringa" wrote... > <snip> > With the quali setup I can do 1:15, but some people I know > drive 1:14 easily :-/ > During races I'm much slower, 1:17 laps or so, otherwise > my tires won't last more than 5 laps :) That's unreal... I just went 1m19.4s in a race against the AI (default fast setup), and, seeing as I struggle to keep up with the 85% AI on most tracks and I totally obliterated them here(*)(**), I felt quite good about that. Until I read this part of the thread, that is. ;-( Car felt really good as well... can't think of anything that would make it significantly quicker (not that I consider myself qualified to set up a stock car yet, but still). Oh well... I'll scrap with Eldred and Dave.<vwg> Jan. =--- (*): thanks, in part, to your FF advice. (**): was within 2 car lenghts of lapping the field when a yellow was thrown... coincidence? ;-)

On Sat, 30 Mar 2002 00:47:10 +0100, "Jan Verschueren" <[email hidden]> wrote: >Car felt really good as well... can't think of anything that would make it >significantly quicker (not that I consider myself qualified to set up a >stock car yet, but still). Just study the track lesson at WG carefully, it helped me big time. The racing line itself is correct, but the braking zone at that right-left corner before the loop becomes red much too early, you can break way later than that and throw the car over the bumps. Also the esses are important, be sure to ease a bit in the middle part so you get the perfect line for a fast exit.. Those two parts were the parts where I improved my laptimes the most (My first laps were 1:20 too :) Andre

In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden] (Andre Warringa) writes: >>A weekly thing? Even if I can't make it(MoG or OSRL races), I can setup the >>server to run... > >Lol, I allready assumed the RAS-races would be a weekly thing :)) >Btw - you drive in MoG? I never knew that! Yep - I'm driving for team Red Herring-Delta(Ferrari) I've scored points in a couple of races, too...<g> Eldred -- Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPLRank - under construction... Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

In article <[email hidden]>, "Jan Verschueren" <[email hidden]> writes: >Car felt really good as well... can't think of anything that would make it >significantly quicker (not that I consider myself qualified to set up a >stock car yet, but still). > >Oh well... I'll scrap with Eldred and Dave.<vwg> You can scrap with Dave. I probably won't be able to keep it on the track... :( Eldred -- Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPLRank - under construction... Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

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> In article <[email hidden]>, "Jan Verschueren" > <[email hidden]> writes: > > >Car felt really good as well... can't think of anything that would make it > >significantly quicker (not that I consider myself qualified to set up a > >stock car yet, but still). > > > >Oh well... I'll scrap with Eldred and Dave.<vwg> > > You can scrap with Dave. I probably won't be able to keep it on the track... > :( > > Eldred >

I was in a race last night where I led a guy named "wheel*" into the inner loop just as we were catching a lapped car. As the three of us transitioned from the inner loop to the outer loop, we went three wide with the lapped car on the outside, me in the middle, and wheel on the inside. I thought wheel was pushing too hard given the nature of often quirky online connection stability, and I let him edge me into the outer loop, and I followed him nut-to-butt through the turn and onto the back straight. As we approached turn 10, I out-braked him and stuck the nose of my car inside and took the position back. All of this happened without scraping against each other. Even though I started 3rd and finished 5th (someone spun me in the inner loop on lap 2), it was one of the best races I'd ever experienced in NR2K2. It's fun to do roadies when everyone has a slight clue as to how to run on them. Oh yeah, even though we were running fixed setups, there was a guy named "Achim T" who did a 115mph qual lap - a full 2 mph faster than the 2nd place car. -- ========================================================= Redneck Techno-Biker & "programming deity" http://www.paddedwall.org/john DeMONS/1 for Nascar Racing 3 & Nascar Legends http://www.paddedwall.org/demons DeMONS/2 for Nascar Racing 4 and 2002 Season (in development) http://www.paddedwall.org/demons2 Barbarian Diecast Collector (460+ cars and counting) http://www.paddedwall.org/diecast If you want to send me email, go to the first URL shown above & click "Send Me Mail" in the contents frame. =========================================================