N2002 MORE questions!!!!

First are the Fixed race setups from the ONLINE races the'fast' setup or another alltogether? Second: with the little time I had with N4 before my AMD meltdown, I avoided the fast setups like the plague...the rear end would swap around on me at almost every track except the SS's. Now I've only run a few of the D ovals in N2002 but the fast setup is VERY stable now...is that the different driving model? A better more balanced fast setup? OR??? Is my stouter CPU able to better match up with the physics involved? (certainly I'm NO better driver than I was last year) Anyone???? dave henrie

The Fixed setups are any setup you want them to be. Cars are more stable in N2002 as they are more realistically modeled. "Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:J3Io8.150556$702.27354@sccrnsc02... > First are the Fixed race setups from the ONLINE races the'fast' setupor > another alltogether? > Second: with the little time I had with N4 before my AMD meltdown, I > avoided the fast setups like the plague...the rear end would swap aroundon > me at almost every track except the SS's. Now I've only run a few ofthe

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> D ovals in N2002 but the fast setup is VERY stable now...is that the > different driving model? A better more balanced fast setup? OR??? Is my > stouter CPU able to better match up with the physics involved? (certainly > I'm NO better driver than I was last year) > Anyone???? > dave henrie > >

They host selects the setup in a fixed race. Most often its the fast setup, but there is nothing locking it to that. The driving model is the differance in how the game drives. MadDAWG

Fixed setup is whatever is on the server, that the server admin. chooses. I.e., it could be the Papy default fast, or the server owner could have a custom made one he could load on their server, choose for a race, and use that. Iow, it could be anything; default or not. N4 and N2002 default setups aren't alike at all. -John "Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:J3Io8.150556$702.27354@sccrnsc02... > First are the Fixed race setups from the ONLINE races the'fast' setupor > another alltogether? > Second: with the little time I had with N4 before my AMD meltdown, I > avoided the fast setups like the plague...the rear end would swap aroundon > me at almost every track except the SS's. Now I've only run a few ofthe

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> D ovals in N2002 but the fast setup is VERY stable now...is that the > different driving model? A better more balanced fast setup? OR??? Is my > stouter CPU able to better match up with the physics involved? (certainly > I'm NO better driver than I was last year) > Anyone???? > dave henrie > >

John Pancoast <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Fixed setup is whatever is on the server, that the server admin.chooses.

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> I.e., it could be the Papy default fast, or the server owner could have a > custom made one he could load on their server, choose for a race, and use > that. > Iow, it could be anything; default or not. > > N4 and N2002 default setups aren't alike at all. > > -John > >

Actually, the fixed setup is 'pushed' to each client from the boss or admin's computer, not the actual server. I think that the setup pool to choose from is on the boss's local machine, tracks/setups directories instead of his personal setups located at player/setups/tracks directories IOW they come from the same place that the default setups are stored and is the reason you can't change and save them, you have to save as another filename...Our league was worried about hacking the <fast> setup last season and did extensive research on how this worked and we discovered that the starting boss (in N4) or boss/admin (in 2002) selects a setup from his machine and it is pushed to each connecting client. The server machine could literally be devoid of setups entirely and everything would still work.

Ok, thanks. However, how would that still prevent hackint a default setup? Couldn't you just make one of your own, name it, etc., the same as a default setup, copy it to whereever, and be set ? -John "Admin" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:7DKo8.32203$[email hidden]... > > John Pancoast <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > Fixed setup is whatever is on the server, that the server admin. > chooses. > > I.e., it could be the Papy default fast, or the server owner could havea > > custom made one he could load on their server, choose for a race, anduse

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> > that. > > Iow, it could be anything; default or not. > > > > N4 and N2002 default setups aren't alike at all. > > > > -John > > > > > > Actually, the fixed setup is 'pushed' to each client from the boss or > admin's computer, not the actual server. I think that the setup pool to > choose from is on the boss's local machine, tracks/setups directories > instead of his personal setups located at player/setups/tracks directories > IOW they come from the same place that the default setups are stored and

is > the reason you can't change and save them, you have to save as another > filename...Our league was worried about hacking the <fast> setup lastseason > and did extensive research on how this worked and we discovered that the > starting boss (in N4) or boss/admin (in 2002) selects a setup from his > machine and it is pushed to each connecting client. The server machinecould > literally be devoid of setups entirely and everything would still work. > >

No, the actual setup data (not the setup name) is pushed from boss to client. Kinda like we would like to see car paint schemes done, ya follow? The client machine could be devoid of setups and fixed still work as it literally pushes the data to his garage regardless of file names on his machine. Thats how it appears to us and we hacked on it for over a week last fall. (We had a guy just smokin the field on fixed races, turns out he was just GOOD! LOL) I really dont think there is a way to hack the data the boss pushess to the client. If possible, I'd say it wasn't worth th trouble it would have to be. I know this sounds to good to be true, but I am convinced that is how it works. We made some whacked out setups and used them as fixed <fast> and compared them to what was on the client end and they were getting the exact setup we were pushing and he (our guinea pig) had tweaked his default fast, the bosses <fast> over wrote his...(for the race, did not change the file on his HD, only while connected to the server) John Pancoast <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Ok, thanks. However, how would that still prevent hackint a default > setup? Couldn't you just make one of your own, name it, etc., the same asa

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> default setup, copy it to whereever, and be set ? > > -John > > > "Admin" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:7DKo8.32203$[email hidden]... > > > > John Pancoast <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:[email hidden]... > > > Fixed setup is whatever is on the server, that the server admin. > > chooses. > > > I.e., it could be the Papy default fast, or the server owner could

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> a > > > custom made one he could load on their server, choose for a race, and > use > > > that. > > > Iow, it could be anything; default or not. > > > > > > N4 and N2002 default setups aren't alike at all. > > > > > > -John > > > > > > > > > > Actually, the fixed setup is 'pushed' to each client from the boss or > > admin's computer, not the actual server. I think that the setup pool to > > choose from is on the boss's local machine, tracks/setups directories > > instead of his personal setups located at player/setups/tracks

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> > IOW they come from the same place that the default setups are stored and > is > > the reason you can't change and save them, you have to save as another > > filename...Our league was worried about hacking the <fast> setup last > season > > and did extensive research on how this worked and we discovered that the > > starting boss (in N4) or boss/admin (in 2002) selects a setup from his > > machine and it is pushed to each connecting client. The server machine > could > > literally be devoid of setups entirely and everything would still work. > > > > > >

"Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<J3Io8.150556$702.27354@sccrnsc02>... > stouter CPU able to better match up with the physics involved? (certainly > I'm NO better driver than I was last year) I would guess you are. On cold tires, the N2002 fast setups are a lot harder to drive than N4's. Both are ridiculously tight once the tires get up to good temps. Really though, I'm guessing your skills have improved since you played N4 or there's another factor because I can't imagine self-spinning in the N4 fast setups without doing it intentionally. Jason

Yes, I understand this; the client gets whatever the boss-host has/uses. I know it doesn't matter what the client has, and it'll be "overwrote" by the boss-host. What I was saying, is that it's possible for the boss to hack a setup. Wouldn't matter of course, as everyone gets it anyway. -John "Admin" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:HaLo8.32212$[email hidden]... > No, the actual setup data (not the setup name) is pushed from boss to > client. Kinda like we would like to see car paint schemes done, ya follow? > > The client machine could be devoid of setups and fixed still work as it > literally pushes the data to his garage regardless of file names on his > machine. Thats how it appears to us and we hacked on it for over a weeklast > fall. (We had a guy just smokin the field on fixed races, turns out he was > just GOOD! LOL) I really dont think there is a way to hack the data theboss > pushess to the client. If possible, I'd say it wasn't worth th trouble it > would have to be. > > I know this sounds to good to be true, but I am convinced that is how it > works. We made some whacked out setups and used them as fixed <fast> and > compared them to what was on the client end and they were getting theexact > setup we were pushing and he (our guinea pig) had tweaked his defaultfast, > the bosses <fast> over wrote his...(for the race, did not change the fileon

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> his HD, only while connected to the server) > > > > > John Pancoast <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > Ok, thanks. However, how would that still prevent hackint a default > > setup? Couldn't you just make one of your own, name it, etc., the same

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> a > > default setup, copy it to whereever, and be set ? > > > > -John > > > > > > "Admin" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:7DKo8.32203$[email hidden]... > > > > > > John Pancoast <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > news:[email hidden]... > > > > Fixed setup is whatever is on the server, that the server admin. > > > chooses. > > > > I.e., it could be the Papy default fast, or the server owner could > have > > a > > > > custom made one he could load on their server, choose for a race,

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> > use > > > > that. > > > > Iow, it could be anything; default or not. > > > > > > > > N4 and N2002 default setups aren't alike at all. > > > > > > > > -John > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Actually, the fixed setup is 'pushed' to each client from the boss or > > > admin's computer, not the actual server. I think that the setup pool

to > > > choose from is on the boss's local machine, tracks/setups directories > > > instead of his personal setups located at player/setups/tracks > directories > > > IOW they come from the same place that the default setups are storedand > > is > > > the reason you can't change and save them, you have to save as another > > > filename...Our league was worried about hacking the <fast> setup last > > season > > > and did extensive research on how this worked and we discovered thatthe > > > starting boss (in N4) or boss/admin (in 2002) selects a setup from his > > > machine and it is pushed to each connecting client. The server machine > > could > > > literally be devoid of setups entirely and everything would stillwork. > > > > > > > > > > > >

"jason moyer" I can't > imagine self-spinning in the N4 fast setups without doing it > intentionally. > > Jason First thing I would do at a new track in N4 was load intermediate and THEN lower the track bar two clicks on both sides...otherwise I would be hanging the tail out often. So far at least I haven't had to do that in 2002 dave henrie

True, a boss can hack a default installed setup (it ain't real hard, copy one to your personal setup folder, change it, copy it back to the track setup folder and over write the cd version), but as you observed, everyone has the exact same setup so doing this would be useless to gain any advantage. John Pancoast <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> Yes, I understand this; the client gets whatever the boss-host has/uses. > I know it doesn't matter what the client has, and it'll be "overwrote" by > the boss-host. > > What I was saying, is that it's possible for the boss to hack a setup. > Wouldn't matter of course, as everyone gets it anyway. > > -John > > > > > "Admin" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:HaLo8.32212$[email hidden]... > > No, the actual setup data (not the setup name) is pushed from boss to > > client. Kinda like we would like to see car paint schemes done, ya

follow? > > > > The client machine could be devoid of setups and fixed still work as it > > literally pushes the data to his garage regardless of file names on his > > machine. Thats how it appears to us and we hacked on it for over a week > last > > fall. (We had a guy just smokin the field on fixed races, turns out hewas > > just GOOD! LOL) I really dont think there is a way to hack the data the > boss > > pushess to the client. If possible, I'd say it wasn't worth th troubleit > > would have to be. > > > > I know this sounds to good to be true, but I am convinced that is how it > > works. We made some whacked out setups and used them as fixed <fast>and > > compared them to what was on the client end and they were getting the > exact > > setup we were pushing and he (our guinea pig) had tweaked his default > fast, > > the bosses <fast> over wrote his...(for the race, did not change thefile

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> on > > his HD, only while connected to the server) > > > > > > > > > > John Pancoast <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:[email hidden]... > > > Ok, thanks. However, how would that still prevent hackint a default > > > setup? Couldn't you just make one of your own, name it, etc., the

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> as > > a > > > default setup, copy it to whereever, and be set ? > > > > > > -John > > > > > > > > > "Admin" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > news:7DKo8.32203$[email hidden]... > > > > > > > > John Pancoast <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > > news:[email hidden]... > > > > > Fixed setup is whatever is on the server, that the server admin. > > > > chooses. > > > > > I.e., it could be the Papy default fast, or the server owner could > > have > > > a > > > > > custom made one he could load on their server, choose for a race, > and > > > use > > > > > that. > > > > > Iow, it could be anything; default or not. > > > > > > > > > > N4 and N2002 default setups aren't alike at all. > > > > > > > > > > -John > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Actually, the fixed setup is 'pushed' to each client from the boss

or > > > > admin's computer, not the actual server. I think that the setup pool > to > > > > choose from is on the boss's local machine, tracks/setupsdirectories > > > > instead of his personal setups located at player/setups/tracks > > directories > > > > IOW they come from the same place that the default setups are stored > and > > > is > > > > the reason you can't change and save them, you have to save asanother > > > > filename...Our league was worried about hacking the <fast> setuplast > > > season > > > > and did extensive research on how this worked and we discovered that > the > > > > starting boss (in N4) or boss/admin (in 2002) selects a setup fromhis > > > > machine and it is pushed to each connecting client. The servermachine

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> > > could > > > > literally be devoid of setups entirely and everything would still > work. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

You could gain an advantage if you used your normal setup, the other drivers would have never driven that before the race -- --------------- Steve Levett "Admin" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:fYNo8.40216$[email hidden]... > True, a boss can hack a default installed setup (it ain't real hard, copy > one to your personal setup folder, change it, copy it back to the track > setup folder and over write the cd version), but as you observed, everyone > has the exact same setup so doing this would be useless to gain any > advantage. > > > John Pancoast <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > Yes, I understand this; the client gets whatever the boss-host has/uses. > > I know it doesn't matter what the client has, and it'll be "overwrote" by > > the boss-host. > > > > What I was saying, is that it's possible for the boss to hack a setup. > > Wouldn't matter of course, as everyone gets it anyway. > > > > -John > > > > > > > > > > "Admin" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:HaLo8.32212$[email hidden]... > > > No, the actual setup data (not the setup name) is pushed from boss to > > > client. Kinda like we would like to see car paint schemes done, ya > follow? > > > > > > The client machine could be devoid of setups and fixed still work as it > > > literally pushes the data to his garage regardless of file names on his > > > machine. Thats how it appears to us and we hacked on it for over a week > > last > > > fall. (We had a guy just smokin the field on fixed races, turns out he > was > > > just GOOD! LOL) I really dont think there is a way to hack the data the > > boss > > > pushess to the client. If possible, I'd say it wasn't worth th trouble > it > > > would have to be. > > > > > > I know this sounds to good to be true, but I am convinced that is how it > > > works. We made some whacked out setups and used them as fixed <fast> > and > > > compared them to what was on the client end and they were getting the > > exact > > > setup we were pushing and he (our guinea pig) had tweaked his default > > fast, > > > the bosses <fast> over wrote his...(for the race, did not change the > file > > on > > > his HD, only while connected to the server) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > John Pancoast <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > news:[email hidden]... > > > > Ok, thanks. However, how would that still prevent hackint a default > > > > setup? Couldn't you just make one of your own, name it, etc., the > same > > as > > > a > > > > default setup, copy it to whereever, and be set ? > > > > > > > > -John > > > > > > > > > > > > "Admin" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > > news:7DKo8.32203$[email hidden]... > > > > > > > > > > John Pancoast <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > > > news:[email hidden]... > > > > > > Fixed setup is whatever is on the server, that the server admin. > > > > > chooses. > > > > > > I.e., it could be the Papy default fast, or the server owner could > > > have > > > > a > > > > > > custom made one he could load on their server, choose for a race, > > and > > > > use > > > > > > that. > > > > > > Iow, it could be anything; default or not. > > > > > > > > > > > > N4 and N2002 default setups aren't alike at all. > > > > > > > > > > > > -John > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Actually, the fixed setup is 'pushed' to each client from the boss > or > > > > > admin's computer, not the actual server. I think that the setup pool > > to > > > > > choose from is on the boss's local machine, tracks/setups > directories > > > > > instead of his personal setups located at player/setups/tracks > > > directories > > > > > IOW they come from the same place that the default setups are stored > > and > > > > is > > > > > the reason you can't change and save them, you have to save as > another > > > > > filename...Our league was worried about hacking the <fast> setup > last > > > > season > > > > > and did extensive research on how this worked and we discovered that > > the > > > > > starting boss (in N4) or boss/admin (in 2002) selects a setup from > his > > > > > machine and it is pushed to each connecting client. The server > machine > > > > could > > > > > literally be devoid of setups entirely and everything would still > > work. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

Exactly, I thought of that too, my original point, but then I bet the differences between that "super" setup, and the default Sierra one that others had been practicing on would be very apparent. As soon as those who had practiced on the default setup drove the hacked on a lap or two, they'd all be wondering what was up. -John "Steve Levett" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:a80gna$oqifn$[email hidden]... > You could gain an advantage if you used your normal setup, the otherdrivers

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> would have never driven that before the race > > -- > > --------------- > Steve Levett > > > "Admin" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:fYNo8.40216$[email hidden]... > > True, a boss can hack a default installed setup (it ain't real hard,

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> > has the exact same setup so doing this would be useless to gain any > > advantage. > > > > > > John Pancoast <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:[email hidden]... > > > Yes, I understand this; the client gets whatever the boss-host > has/uses. > > > I know it doesn't matter what the client has, and it'll be "overwrote" > by > > > the boss-host. > > > > > > What I was saying, is that it's possible for the boss to hack a

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> > > Wouldn't matter of course, as everyone gets it anyway. > > > > > > -John > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Admin" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > news:HaLo8.32212$[email hidden]... > > > > No, the actual setup data (not the setup name) is pushed from boss

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> > > > client. Kinda like we would like to see car paint schemes done, ya > > follow? > > > > > > > > The client machine could be devoid of setups and fixed still work as > it > > > > literally pushes the data to his garage regardless of file names on > his > > > > machine. Thats how it appears to us and we hacked on it for over a > week > > > last > > > > fall. (We had a guy just smokin the field on fixed races, turns out

he > > was > > > > just GOOD! LOL) I really dont think there is a way to hack the data > the > > > boss > > > > pushess to the client. If possible, I'd say it wasn't worth thtrouble > > it > > > > would have to be. > > > > > > > > I know this sounds to good to be true, but I am convinced that ishow > it > > > > works. We made some whacked out setups and used them as fixed<fast> > > and > > > > compared them to what was on the client end and they were gettingthe > > > exact > > > > setup we were pushing and he (our guinea pig) had tweaked hisdefault

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> > > fast, > > > > the bosses <fast> over wrote his...(for the race, did not change the > > file > > > on > > > > his HD, only while connected to the server) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > John Pancoast <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > > news:[email hidden]... > > > > > Ok, thanks. However, how would that still prevent hackint a > default > > > > > setup? Couldn't you just make one of your own, name it, etc., the > > same > > > as > > > > a > > > > > default setup, copy it to whereever, and be set ? > > > > > > > > > > -John > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Admin" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > > > news:7DKo8.32203$[email hidden]... > > > > > > > > > > > > John Pancoast <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > > > > news:[email hidden]... > > > > > > > Fixed setup is whatever is on the server, that the server > admin. > > > > > > chooses. > > > > > > > I.e., it could be the Papy default fast, or the server owner > could > > > > have > > > > > a > > > > > > > custom made one he could load on their server, choose for a > race, > > > and > > > > > use > > > > > > > that. > > > > > > > Iow, it could be anything; default or not. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > N4 and N2002 default setups aren't alike at all. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -John > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Actually, the fixed setup is 'pushed' to each client from the

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> > or > > > > > > admin's computer, not the actual server. I think that the setup > pool > > > to > > > > > > choose from is on the boss's local machine, tracks/setups > > directories > > > > > > instead of his personal setups located at player/setups/tracks > > > > directories > > > > > > IOW they come from the same place that the default setups are > stored > > > and > > > > > is > > > > > > the reason you can't change and save them, you have to save as > > another > > > > > > filename...Our league was worried about hacking the <fast> setup > > last > > > > > season > > > > > > and did extensive research on how this worked and we discovered > that > > > the > > > > > > starting boss (in N4) or boss/admin (in 2002) selects a setup

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I guess it isn't that important a point to me(our league) since we dont use default setups anyway, we post the setups that will be run as our fixed so guys can download them to practice with, if they change them they are only hurting themselves as we run exactly what we post. If in a pickup race, still not too important since only one person (the boss and 'his' secret setup) would have any advantage. A few laps in any car and one would know the best line to use and any major advantage would be gone. It all comes down to trusting the boss I guess. John Pancoast <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> Exactly, I thought of that too, my original point, but then I bet the > differences between that "super" setup, and the default Sierra one that > others had been practicing on would be very apparent. > > As soon as those who had practiced on the default setup drove the hacked > on a lap or two, they'd all be wondering what was up. > > -John > > > "Steve Levett" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:a80gna$oqifn$[email hidden]... > > You could gain an advantage if you used your normal setup, the other > drivers > > would have never driven that before the race > > > > -- > > > > --------------- > > Steve Levett > > > > > > "Admin" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:fYNo8.40216$[email hidden]... > > > True, a boss can hack a default installed setup (it ain't real hard, > copy > > > one to your personal setup folder, change it, copy it back to the

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> > > setup folder and over write the cd version), but as you observed, > everyone > > > has the exact same setup so doing this would be useless to gain any > > > advantage. > > > > > > > > > John Pancoast <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > news:[email hidden]... > > > > Yes, I understand this; the client gets whatever the boss-host > > has/uses. > > > > I know it doesn't matter what the client has, and it'll be

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> > by > > > > the boss-host. > > > > > > > > What I was saying, is that it's possible for the boss to hack a > setup. > > > > Wouldn't matter of course, as everyone gets it anyway. > > > > > > > > -John > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Admin" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > > news:HaLo8.32212$[email hidden]... > > > > > No, the actual setup data (not the setup name) is pushed from boss > to > > > > > client. Kinda like we would like to see car paint schemes done, ya > > > follow? > > > > > > > > > > The client machine could be devoid of setups and fixed still work

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> > > same > > > > as > > > > > a > > > > > > default setup, copy it to whereever, and be set ? > > > > > > > > > > > > -John > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Admin" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > > > > news:7DKo8.32203$[email hidden]... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > John Pancoast <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > > > > > news:[email hidden]... > > > > > > > > Fixed setup is whatever is on the server, that the server > > admin. > > > > > > > chooses. > > > > > > > > I.e., it could be the Papy default fast, or the server owner > > could > > > > > have > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > custom made one he could load on their server, choose for a > > race, > > > > and > > > > > > use > > > > > > > > that. > > > > > > > > Iow, it could be anything; default or not. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > N4 and N2002 default setups aren't alike at all. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -John > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Actually, the fixed setup is 'pushed' to each client from the > boss > > > or > > > > > > > admin's computer, not the actual server. I think that the

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> > pool > > > > to > > > > > > > choose from is on the boss's local machine, tracks/setups > > > directories > > > > > > > instead of his personal setups located at player/setups/tracks > > > > > directories > > > > > > > IOW they come from the same place that the default setups are > > stored > > > > and > > > > > > is > > > > > > > the reason you can't change and save them, you have to save as > > > another > > > > > > > filename...Our league was worried about hacking the <fast>

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> > that > > > > the > > > > > > > starting boss (in N4) or boss/admin (in 2002) selects a setup > from > > > his > > > > > > > machine and it is pushed to each connecting client. The server > > > machine > > > > > > could > > > > > > > literally be devoid of setups entirely and everything would > still > > > > work. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

Yep, very true. -John "Admin" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:rY%o8.4043$[email hidden]... > I guess it isn't that important a point to me(our league) since we dontuse > default setups anyway, we post the setups that will be run as our fixed so > guys can download them to practice with, if they change them they are only > hurting themselves as we run exactly what we post. > > If in a pickup race, still not too important since only one person (theboss > and 'his' secret setup) would have any advantage. A few laps in any carand

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> one would know the best line to use and any major advantage would be gone. > > It all comes down to trusting the boss I guess. > > > John Pancoast <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > Exactly, I thought of that too, my original point, but then I bet

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> > on a lap or two, they'd all be wondering what was up. > > > > -John > > > > > > "Steve Levett" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:a80gna$oqifn$[email hidden]... > > > You could gain an advantage if you used your normal setup, the other > > drivers > > > would have never driven that before the race > > > > > > -- > > > > > > --------------- > > > Steve Levett > > > > > > > > > "Admin" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > news:fYNo8.40216$[email hidden]... > > > > True, a boss can hack a default installed setup (it ain't real hard, > > copy > > > > one to your personal setup folder, change it, copy it back to the > track > > > > setup folder and over write the cd version), but as you observed, > > everyone > > > > has the exact same setup so doing this would be useless to gain any > > > > advantage. > > > > > > > > > > > > John Pancoast <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > > news:[email hidden]... > > > > > Yes, I understand this; the client gets whatever the boss-host > > > has/uses. > > > > > I know it doesn't matter what the client has, and it'll be > "overwrote" > > > by > > > > > the boss-host. > > > > > > > > > > What I was saying, is that it's possible for the boss to hack a > > setup. > > > > > Wouldn't matter of course, as everyone gets it anyway. > > > > > > > > > > -John > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Admin" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > > > news:HaLo8.32212$[email hidden]... > > > > > > No, the actual setup data (not the setup name) is pushed from

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"Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<OJNo8.162066$q2.15241@sccrnsc01>... > First thing I would do at a new track in N4 was load intermediate and > THEN lower the track bar two clicks on both sides...otherwise I would be > hanging the tail out often. So far at least I haven't had to do that in > 2002 That's because you've gotten better. =) Jason

You can also save the 'fixed' setup you were running as a client, which is why I never loaded my setups as boss in a fixed setup race. :) -- Tim White INTRAC Motorsports www.birds-i-view.com/intrac "John Pancoast" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Exactly, I thought of that too, my original point, but then I bet the > differences between that "super" setup, and the default Sierra one that > others had been practicing on would be very apparent. > > As soon as those who had practiced on the default setup drove the hacked > on a lap or two, they'd all be wondering what was up. > > -John > > > "Steve Levett" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:a80gna$oqifn$[email hidden]... > > You could gain an advantage if you used your normal setup, the other > drivers > > would have never driven that before the race > > > > -- > > > > --------------- > > Steve Levett > > > > > > "Admin" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:fYNo8.40216$[email hidden]... > > > True, a boss can hack a default installed setup (it ain't real hard, > copy > > > one to your personal setup folder, change it, copy it back to the track > > > setup folder and over write the cd version), but as you observed, > everyone > > > has the exact same setup so doing this would be useless to gain any > > > advantage. > > > > > > > > > John Pancoast <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > news:[email hidden]... > > > > Yes, I understand this; the client gets whatever the boss-host > > has/uses. > > > > I know it doesn't matter what the client has, and it'll be "overwrote" > > by > > > > the boss-host. > > > > > > > > What I was saying, is that it's possible for the boss to hack a > setup. > > > > Wouldn't matter of course, as everyone gets it anyway. > > > > > > > > -John > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Admin" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > > news:HaLo8.32212$[email hidden]... > > > > > No, the actual setup data (not the setup name) is pushed from boss > to > > > > > client. Kinda like we would like to see car paint schemes done, ya > > > follow? > > > > > > > > > > The client machine could be devoid of setups and fixed still work as > > it > > > > > literally pushes the data to his garage regardless of file names on > > his > > > > > machine. Thats how it appears to us and we hacked on it for over a > > week > > > > last > > > > > fall. (We had a guy just smokin the field on fixed races, turns out > he > > > was > > > > > just GOOD! LOL) I really dont think there is a way to hack the data > > the > > > > boss > > > > > pushess to the client. If possible, I'd say it wasn't worth th > trouble > > > it > > > > > would have to be. > > > > > > > > > > I know this sounds to good to be true, but I am convinced that is > how > > it > > > > > works. We made some whacked out setups and used them as fixed > <fast> > > > and > > > > > compared them to what was on the client end and they were getting > the > > > > exact > > > > > setup we were pushing and he (our guinea pig) had tweaked his > default > > > > fast, > > > > > the bosses <fast> over wrote his...(for the race, did not change the > > > file > > > > on > > > > > his HD, only while connected to the server) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > John Pancoast <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > > > news:[email hidden]... > > > > > > Ok, thanks. However, how would that still prevent hackint a > > default > > > > > > setup? Couldn't you just make one of your own, name it, etc., the > > > same > > > > as > > > > > a > > > > > > default setup, copy it to whereever, and be set ? > > > > > > > > > > > > -John > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Admin" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > > > > news:7DKo8.32203$[email hidden]... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > John Pancoast <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > > > > > news:[email hidden]... > > > > > > > > Fixed setup is whatever is on the server, that the server > > admin. > > > > > > > chooses. > > > > > > > > I.e., it could be the Papy default fast, or the server owner > > could > > > > > have > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > custom made one he could load on their server, choose for a > > race, > > > > and > > > > > > use > > > > > > > > that. > > > > > > > > Iow, it could be anything; default or not. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > N4 and N2002 default setups aren't alike at all. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -John > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Actually, the fixed setup is 'pushed' to each client from the > boss > > > or > > > > > > > admin's computer, not the actual server. I think that the setup > > pool > > > > to > > > > > > > choose from is on the boss's local machine, tracks/setups > > > directories > > > > > > > instead of his personal setups located at player/setups/tracks > > > > > directories > > > > > > > IOW they come from the same place that the default setups are > > stored > > > > and > > > > > > is > > > > > > > the reason you can't change and save them, you have to save as > > > another > > > > > > > filename...Our league was worried about hacking the <fast> setup > > > last > > > > > > season > > > > > > > and did extensive research on how this worked and we discovered > > that > > > > the > > > > > > > starting boss (in N4) or boss/admin (in 2002) selects a setup > from > > > his > > > > > > > machine and it is pushed to each connecting client. 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In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden] (jason moyer) writes: >Really though, I'm guessing your skills have >improved since you played N4 or there's another factor because I can't >imagine self-spinning in the N4 fast setups without doing it >intentionally. Hmm...I'll have to try California. That track gave me FITS in N4 - I think I only completed about 10 laps that were clean. And those were at granny speed, because the setup was so unstable. Same thing happened in N2k2 with the easy setup, but I haven't tried the fast setup since someone else suggested it. Eldred -- Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPLRank - under construction... Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

[email hidden] (EldredP) wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>... > Hmm...I'll have to try California. That track gave me FITS in N4 - I think I > only completed about 10 laps that were clean. And those were at granny speed, > because the setup was so unstable. Same thing happened in N2k2 with the easy > setup, but I haven't tried the fast setup since someone else suggested it. Were you using the brakes? California was one of the tracks in N4 where using brakes just made you slower and increased the odds of self-spinning, especially going into 1, where you need to be careful getting slowed down since you need to slow and turn at the same time. The default qual setup there was kind of slippery IIRC, but like most default Papy setups after 3-5 laps the race setup wouldn't turn anymore without melting the RF, and within 10 laps it just wouldn't turn period. Actually speaking of braking, if you're having trouble with Bristol, the Charlotte clones (Atlanta/Texas), and Michigan/California, try running them without brakes. I can turn faster laps at all these tracks with more consistency by not using the brakes, and really the only time I'd use them is to slow the car a little faster to save the RF tire or to deal with traffic. A lot of other tracks are easier/faster without braking as often or as much as the driving lessons recommend (Las Vegas and Rockingham don't require braking in turn 3 until the tires wear, for instance). This may change after you get better, but for learning I recommend using the brakes only when absolutely necessary. When you guys self-spin with default setups, I'm guessing it's happening at turn entry? If that's the case, work on how you're slowing the car. You need to be gentle with stock cars. Heavy braking, locking the brakes, pushing the car really deep into the turn, etc. is the one technique that works in GPL and will kill you in N4/2002. You'll kill your tires, you'll generally be turning slower laps anyway, and you'll unsettle the car at the time you need all the stability you can get. If you're doing it on turn exits, lemme know how because every papy fast setup I've tried in N4/N2002 pushes like crazy on exit. Jason

Good points Jason. Stock cars aren't supposed to be four-wheel drifted<G> Also, if someone's loose on exit with a default setup, chances are, you got back on the gas to soon, and to make the exit, you're having to saw the wheel hard left........and once the tires get hold, fishtail. -John "jason moyer" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > [email hidden] (EldredP) wrote in messagenews:<[email hidden]>... > > > Hmm...I'll have to try California. That track gave me FITS in N4 - Ithink I > > only completed about 10 laps that were clean. And those were at grannyspeed, > > because the setup was so unstable. Same thing happened in N2k2 with theeasy > > setup, but I haven't tried the fast setup since someone else suggestedit.

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> > Were you using the brakes? California was one of the tracks in N4 > where using brakes just made you slower and increased the odds of > self-spinning, especially going into 1, where you need to be careful > getting slowed down since you need to slow and turn at the same time. > The default qual setup there was kind of slippery IIRC, but like most > default Papy setups after 3-5 laps the race setup wouldn't turn > anymore without melting the RF, and within 10 laps it just wouldn't > turn period. > > Actually speaking of braking, if you're having trouble with Bristol, > the Charlotte clones (Atlanta/Texas), and Michigan/California, try > running them without brakes. I can turn faster laps at all these > tracks with more consistency by not using the brakes, and really the > only time I'd use them is to slow the car a little faster to save the > RF tire or to deal with traffic. A lot of other tracks are > easier/faster without braking as often or as much as the driving > lessons recommend (Las Vegas and Rockingham don't require braking in > turn 3 until the tires wear, for instance). This may change after you > get better, but for learning I recommend using the brakes only when > absolutely necessary. > > When you guys self-spin with default setups, I'm guessing it's > happening at turn entry? If that's the case, work on how you're > slowing the car. You need to be gentle with stock cars. Heavy > braking, locking the brakes, pushing the car really deep into the > turn, etc. is the one technique that works in GPL and will kill you in > N4/2002. You'll kill your tires, you'll generally be turning slower > laps anyway, and you'll unsettle the car at the time you need all the > stability you can get. > > If you're doing it on turn exits, lemme know how because every papy > fast setup I've tried in N4/N2002 pushes like crazy on exit. > > Jason

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>[email hidden] (EldredP) wrote in message >news:<[email hidden]>... > >> Hmm...I'll have to try California. That track gave me FITS in N4 - I think >I >> only completed about 10 laps that were clean. And those were at granny >speed, >> because the setup was so unstable. Same thing happened in N2k2 with the >easy >> setup, but I haven't tried the fast setup since someone else suggested it. > >Were you using the brakes? California was one of the tracks in N4 >where using brakes just made you slower and increased the odds of >self-spinning, especially going into 1, where you need to be careful >getting slowed down since you need to slow and turn at the same time. >The default qual setup there was kind of slippery IIRC, but like most >default Papy setups after 3-5 laps the race setup wouldn't turn >anymore without melting the RF, and within 10 laps it just wouldn't >turn period.

Yes, I was using the brakes. That's generally how I slow down...<g>

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>Actually speaking of braking, if you're having trouble with Bristol, >the Charlotte clones (Atlanta/Texas), and Michigan/California, try >running them without brakes. I can turn faster laps at all these >tracks with more consistency by not using the brakes, and really the >only time I'd use them is to slow the car a little faster to save the >RF tire or to deal with traffic. A lot of other tracks are >easier/faster without braking as often or as much as the driving >lessons recommend (Las Vegas and Rockingham don't require braking in >turn 3 until the tires wear, for instance). This may change after you >get better, but for learning I recommend using the brakes only when >absolutely necessary.

If I wasn't going to use the brakes, I'd have to let up on the gas WAY early. How is that faster?

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>When you guys self-spin with default setups, I'm guessing it's >happening at turn entry? If that's the case, work on how you're >slowing the car. You need to be gentle with stock cars. Heavy >braking, locking the brakes, pushing the car really deep into the >turn, etc. is the one technique that works in GPL and will kill you in >N4/2002. You'll kill your tires, you'll generally be turning slower >laps anyway, and you'll unsettle the car at the time you need all the >stability you can get.

Actually, a guy in one of my other GPL leagues told me that when he ran a lot of laps in N4, he got better in GPL. It improved his GPL braking... > >If you're doing it on turn exits, lemme know how because every papy >fast setup I've tried in N4/N2002 pushes like crazy on exit. It's usually the result of a lift on exit. The car pushes towards the wall, and I have to lift to keep from hitting it. The lift makes the car suddenly go to oversteer mode. If I don't catch it quickly enough, I'll spin... Eldred -- Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPLRank - under construction... Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

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>>Actually speaking of braking, if you're having trouble with Bristol, >>the Charlotte clones (Atlanta/Texas), and Michigan/California, try >>running them without brakes. I can turn faster laps at all these >>tracks with more consistency by not using the brakes, and really the >>only time I'd use them is to slow the car a little faster to save the >>RF tire or to deal with traffic. A lot of other tracks are >>easier/faster without braking as often or as much as the driving >>lessons recommend (Las Vegas and Rockingham don't require braking in >>turn 3 until the tires wear, for instance). This may change after you >>get better, but for learning I recommend using the brakes only when >>absolutely necessary. > > > If I wasn't going to use the brakes, I'd have to let up on the gas WAY early. > How is that faster?

Try it. Braking will cause frt tire wear sooner, thereby reducing cornering *& especially exit* speed. Less push on exit, reducing TTO as well when you lift to avoid the wall. :-) -- Fester "There's no way to rule innocent men. The only power any government has is the power to crack down on criminals. Well, when there aren't enough criminals, one makes them. One declares so many things to be a crime that it becomes impossible for men to live without breaking laws." --Ayn Rand, Atlas Shrugged

[email hidden] (EldredP) wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>... > Yes, I was using the brakes. That's generally how I slow down...<g> Stock cars are heavy and will slow down really quickly just by letting off of the gas. As a test, load up Bristol and instead of touching the brakes, just let off and start your turn-in right where the red "nascar racing" logos start at the end of the straights. I'll bet that after a dozen laps of that you'll be close to if not better than your fastest lap there and will undoubtably be more consistent. > If I wasn't going to use the brakes, I'd have to let up on the gas WAY early. > How is that faster? You'll be more consistent, you'll carry more speed into the turn, you'll be able to sustain a high speed through the turn more easily since the difference between a perfect line and pushing too hard is more gradual, and you won't kill the tires as much. > Actually, a guy in one of my other GPL leagues told me that when he ran a lot > of laps in N4, he got better in GPL. It improved his GPL braking... Running the Glen or Sears Point is great GPL practice since stock cars are so difficult to drive. I hate the roadies in N2002 because it always feels like you have too little horsepower, over sensitive brakes, and a car that wants to keep going straight no matter how you drive it. > It's usually the result of a lift on exit. The car pushes towards the wall, > and I have to lift to keep from hitting it. The lift makes the car suddenly go > to oversteer mode. If I don't catch it quickly enough, I'll spin... If you're waiting until you're going to hit the wall to lift, you're waiting too long. Modulate the throttle to keep the car as low as possible until you get a feel for the wall is at each track, at which point your throttle application points will become second nature. As soon as you get back on the throttle, the car will tell you what's going to happen. If you gun it too soon the car will start to drift almost immediately, then you let off just a tad until you're back in line and gun it again. If you're waiting to let off until you're off the groove it's too late and you can say bye bye to your fenders. The grooves at most tracks are wide enough that you should be able to tell you're going to fast because the car will come out of the bottom part of the groove and come up into the higher part, which means that you're about to leave the groove altogether if you don't take corrective action. If there is darkened pavement to the left of your car, you're too high in the corner. Jason

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>> If I wasn't going to use the brakes, I'd have to let up on the gas WAY >early. >> How is that faster? > > >Try it. Braking will cause frt tire wear sooner, thereby reducing >cornering *& especially exit* speed. Less push on exit, reducing TTO as >well when you lift to avoid the wall. :-)

I'll send you and Jason the bill for the sheet metal damage.<g> Eldred -- Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPLRank - under construction... Can the Detroit Tigers match the Detroit Lions' blazing 2001 start of 0-12??? Currently at 0-8...stay tuned... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden] (jason moyer) writes: >As a test, load up Bristol and instead of touching the brakes, just >let off and start your turn-in right where the red "nascar racing" >logos start at the end of the straights. I'll bet that after a dozen >laps of that you'll be close to if not better than your fastest lap >there and will undoubtably be more consistent. > Ok, so I improved from 16.9xx to 16.597... I ran about 30 laps replay:http://www.umich.edu/~epickett/bristolprac4_10_02.zip I also tried the same thing at Atlanta and Texas, and was WAY off the records indicated. That fastest I could get at Texas was 30.447, and the fastest at Atlanta was 31.393 10 laps at each. Atlanta http://www.umich.edu/~epickett/atlprac4_10_02.zip Texas http://www.umich.edu/~epickett/texprac4_10_02.zip

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>If you're waiting until you're going to hit the wall to lift, you're >waiting too long. Modulate the throttle to keep the car as low as >possible until you get a feel for the wall is at each track, at which >point your throttle application points will become second nature. As >soon as you get back on the throttle, the car will tell you what's >going to happen. If you gun it too soon the car will start to drift >almost immediately, then you let off just a tad until you're back in >line and gun it again. If you're waiting to let off until you're off >the groove it's too late and you can say bye bye to your fenders. The >grooves at most tracks are wide enough that you should be able to tell >you're going to fast because the car will come out of the bottom part >of the groove and come up into the higher part, which means that >you're about to leave the groove altogether if you don't take >corrective action. If there is darkened pavement to the left of your >car, you're too high in the corner.

Then I just don't recognize it as soon as you do. I've had people watch my laps(GPL), and say they kept waiting for me to get back in the throttle. According to them I don't do it quick enough. My explanation for that is that I can't get in the throttle until I'm sure I'll make the turn, so that's what causes the 'delayed' the throttle. Maybe this is the same thing? If I gun it, I can't tell when I'm not going to make it. On my slower laps, it's because I'm waiting to see if I *do* make it to hit the throttle... I dunno - tonight's practice left a lot to be desired... Even in N2k2(as in GPL), I'm never quite sure what the car is going to do. In several races online and offline, I've gotten the car into 'tankslappers'. I'm at about 60% on saving such an event, although I crashed in BOTH weekend RAS races(Dover and Phoenix) the same way. Eldred -- Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPLRank - under construction... Can the Detroit Tigers match the Detroit Lions' blazing 2001 start of 0-12??? Currently at 0-8...stay tuned... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.