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What's the official word on Ruebens failure; hydraulics or fuel ? Thanks. -John

> What's the official word on Ruebens failure; hydraulics or fuel ? > I don't know. But I find it odd that Ferrari has had 2 out of 3 failures on Rubens supposedly reliable car.

Yes, plus the wondering what his fuel strategy was, fuel flap open, etc. Makes me wonder if he isn't being used as an r & D project, even though he was running last years chassis in Brazil. -John "jlohman" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:yOQp8.86282$[email hidden]... > > What's the official word on Ruebens failure; hydraulics or fuel ? > > > > I don't know. But I find it odd that Ferrari has had 2 out of 3 failureson > Rubens supposedly reliable car. > >

"John Pancoast" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > What's the official word on Ruebens failure; hydraulics or fuel ? > > Thanks. > > -John The official at the track word was hydraulics...since that would/should cause imeadiate lockup of multiple systems, I don't think that plausible. Methinks fuel is the culprit and the Red team is trying to NOT look unprofessional. dave henrie

> "John Pancoast" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > What's the official word on Ruebens failure; hydraulics or fuel ? Even Reubans is toeing the company line however...from the dailyF1 site... RUBENS BARRICHELLO �We had opted for a different strategy to Michael�s as, starting from the fourth row, it was the best chance of making up places in the early stages of the race. Everything was going well and I managed to get into the lead and given the combination of strategies, I think I could have ended up on the podium. Unfortunately, my car developed an hydraulic problem and I had to retire.

Thanks Dave............I still smell dinosaur shit fumes<G> -John "Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:qtRp8.176523$702.29005@sccrnsc02... > > "John Pancoast" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:[email hidden]... > > > What's the official word on Ruebens failure; hydraulics or fuel ? > > Even Reubans is toeing the company line however...from the dailyF1site...

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> > RUBENS BARRICHELLO > "We had opted for a different strategy to Michael's as, starting from the > fourth row, it was the best chance of making up places in the early stages > of the race. Everything was going well and I managed to get into the lead > and given the combination of strategies, I think I could have ended up on > the podium. Unfortunately, my car developed an hydraulic problem and I had > to retire. > >

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> > "John Pancoast" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > What's the official word on Ruebens failure; hydraulics or fuel ? > > > > Thanks. > > > > -John > The official at the track word was hydraulics...

I thought that was a bit odd as Rubino's fuel flap was open. My first thought was that he hit the pit-lane speed limiter button and stalled the car. Kinda like what both Jordan (???) cars did a few years ago (Frentzen and Hill???) in the same race. Unless the flap opens in some sort of limp mode when the car suffers a system failure.. Dale.

"Dale Green" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Unless the flap opens in some sort of limp mode when the car suffers a > system failure.. On Dutch TV the commentator said the flap opening is related to the car going slow, not to how much fuel is in the tank. Bart Westra

I understood the connection to be with the speed limiter, so when the limiter was on, the flap opened. Very odd though, unless the hydraulics keeps the flap closed. Rafe Mc On Mon, 1 Apr 2002 10:17:50 +0200, "Bart Westra" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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> >"Dale Green" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >news:[email hidden]... >> Unless the flap opens in some sort of limp mode when the car suffers a >> system failure.. > >On Dutch TV the commentator said the flap opening is related to the car >going slow, not to how much fuel is in the tank. > >Bart Westra >

> I don't know. But I find it odd that Ferrari has had 2 out of 3 failureson > Rubens supposedly reliable car. Would take one failure on the other car and it'd be odd that Michael would have 2 out of 3 failures. Doug

"Rafe McAuliffe" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > I understood the connection to be with the speed limiter, so when the > limiter was on, the flap opened. > > Very odd though, unless the hydraulics keeps the flap closed. > > Rafe Mc Just caught a tape of the Speedchannel news. Steve Machet the former Bennetton mechanic was also thinking fuel... dave henrie

The flap opens when the driver hits the limiter, yes. If there was a hyrdaulic problem, why did he drive the entire infield section in a vain attempt to recover to the pits? And why, when MS called up Ross Brawn on his slowing down lap to congratulate the team (as heard on digital tv), did this happen: Michael "What happened to Rubens" Ross "I don't want to say on the TV, I'll tell you later" I think a hydraulic problem on a car which was being used for the last ever time would not be such a conspiracy. Yeah, he ran out of fuel all right... Nick.

> > Yeah, he ran out of fuel all right... Hence the fact that he was weaving from side to side in an effort to get the fumes to the engine. MS > > Nick.

a Few years ago it would have been EASIER to spot a hydraulics failure....Back when they had active suspension, wouldn't the entire car drop to the ground from HF? dave henrie "Mark Seery" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:a8aeim$41$[email hidden]... > > > > Yeah, he ran out of fuel all right...

>a Few years ago it would have been EASIER to spot a hydraulics >failure....Back when they had active suspension, wouldn't the entire car >drop to the ground from HF? >dave henrie Sounds fun going through Eau Rouge at 185 mph . . . :) ----------------------------------------- Dan Belcher Webmaster, http://www.gplworld.racesim.net/simcrash

On Tue, 02 Apr 2002 03:20:48 GMT, "Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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> a Few years ago it would have been EASIER to spot a hydraulics >failure....Back when they had active suspension, wouldn't the entire car >drop to the ground from HF? >dave henrie >"Mark Seery" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >news:a8aeim$41$[email hidden]... >> > >> > Yeah, he ran out of fuel all right... >

Those were the days when we had Ferrari V12s, cars bottoming out and sending sparks, around the track, NOW that was the show. What do we have now (except for MS and JM battles) races are boring, and only passing we see are in the pits. Every damn cars looks almost the same/sounds the same. Bring back the OLD CARS, the new once are boring to watch !!!. PS. DTM series should be fun to watch this year :) -- Greg

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> >a Few years ago it would have been EASIER to spot a hydraulics > >failure....Back when they had active suspension, wouldn't the entire car > >drop to the ground from HF? > >dave henrie > > > Sounds fun going through Eau Rouge at 185 mph . . . :) >

Or exiting the pits at Estoril, slamming to the ground and darting across the track in front of a car closing at 300kph (Berger experienced this). Stephen

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> > > > Those were the days when we had Ferrari V12s, cars bottoming out > and sending sparks, around the track, NOW that was the show. > > What do we have now (except for MS and JM battles) races are > boring, and only passing we see are in the pits. Every damn cars > looks almost the same/sounds the same. >

Passing statistics show that a lot is actually going on in the current races. The problem is that we never see it, as it is happening further back the field (i.e. behind P3!) and the boneheaded TV director doesn't know where to concentrate his attention. I'm not convinced that there is any less passing now. Our memories tend to take a whole season of 16 races from the 90s, distill it down to the handful of heroic moves which Senna or Mansell did, and then extrapolate that to a whole season of MotoGP style passing... Stephen

"Stephen F." <[email hidden]> writes: > less passing now. Our memories tend to take a whole season of 16 races from > the 90s, distill it down to the handful of heroic moves which Senna or > Mansell did, and then extrapolate that to a whole season of MotoGP style > passing... Excellent point, maybe a bit too subtle for some. Forza Biaggi! -- -asbjxrn

"Stephen F." <[email hidden]> writes: > less passing now. Our memories tend to take a whole season of 16 races from > the 90s, distill it down to the handful of heroic moves which Senna or > Mansell did, and then extrapolate that to a whole season of MotoGP style > passing... Excellent point. Really looking forward to the season opener this sunday. -- -asbjxrn

In article <3caaabbb$[email hidden]>, "Stephen F." <[email hidden]> writes: >Our memories tend to take a whole season of 16 races from >the 90s, distill it down to the handful of heroic moves which Senna or >Mansell did, and then extrapolate that to a whole season of MotoGP style Those guys are CRAZY!<g> I don't really *look* for the Moto GP races, but if I'm channel-surfing and find a race, I'm transfixed. :-) Eldred -- Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001 Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPLRank - under construction... Never argue with an idiot. He brings you down to his level, then beats you with experience... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

"Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<ks9q8.153276$[email hidden]>... > a Few years ago it would have been EASIER to spot a hydraulics > failure....Back when they had active suspension, wouldn't the entire car > drop to the ground from HF? Weren't active suspensions banned in like 1992? Jason

"jason moyer"> > Weren't active suspensions banned in like 1992? > > Jason I haven't a clue what year they were banned, but they were indeed banned. dave henrie

"jason moyer"> I haven't a clue what year they were banned, but they were indeed banned. dave henrie

"Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:rGQq8.220195$q2.18738@sccrnsc01... > > "jason moyer"> > > Weren't active suspensions banned in like 1992? > > > > Jason > I haven't a clue what year they were banned, but they were indeedbanned. > dave henrie > Still had them in 1993. 1994 was a wholesale ban on a lot of the technology (and ironically, the year of the first fatal race accidents since 1982). In '93 McLaren had ABS, fully automatic gearbox and active suspension. No wonder Andretti had troubles coming to grip with it. Stephen

notice how more than one indy-racer didn't find the rhythm in F1 and my best guess this is not a driver thing, but more related to cars, F1 having less cars, and they are more different on speed, indycar having more cars and more closely togheter - just to say indy is a better championship because cars really overtake each other, unlike F1 - maybe we can propose to do lottery in stead of a race in F1, would make things more interesting whats happening to F1 ? I dont know any type of racing having less competition than F1 - it should be the other way round "Stephen F." wrote:

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> "Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:rGQq8.220195$q2.18738@sccrnsc01... > > > > "jason moyer"> > > > Weren't active suspensions banned in like 1992? > > > > > > Jason > > I haven't a clue what year they were banned, but they were indeed > banned. > > dave henrie > > > > Still had them in 1993. 1994 was a wholesale ban on a lot of the technology > (and ironically, the year of the first fatal race accidents since 1982). In > '93 McLaren had ABS, fully automatic gearbox and active suspension. No > wonder Andretti had troubles coming to grip with it. > > Stephen

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