Incar Sound at Brazil

Did anyone notice the end of the F1 broadcast? Speedchannel spent the last few minutes showing hightlights of the race and some different camera angles not shown in the regular racecast. They had a rollbar camera of Rubens Barricello that had excellant sound. You could hear the engine, the tires, and even the wind...sounded like GPL(no really it did) Then they had some incar shots of M Schumacher....and it was like the CART broadcast last month...the Dang Ferrari engine sounded like a Kazoo! They don't really sound that buzzy/tinny/small do they? Ruben's car sounded powerful, due to proper microphone placement I would guess, but MS's was a joke...bzzzzzzzz. bzzzzz bzzzzz. What causes some cars to sound cool, and others to sound blechy? F1 2001 has great incar sound, and it's mod's do as well, but the first Cart mod for the 2000 sim musta had the same odd sound that the Toyota's in Mexico had...(and Michael in Brazil) tinny tiney buzzing instead of some sort of roar. dave henrie

The best sound is from outside the car (with the commentators' mouths covered with duck tape) arcman Dave Henrie wrote:

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> > Did anyone notice the end of the F1 broadcast? Speedchannel spent the > last few minutes showing hightlights of the race and some different camera > angles not shown in the regular racecast. > They had a rollbar camera of Rubens Barricello that had excellant sound. > You could hear the engine, the tires, and even the wind...sounded like > GPL(no really it did) Then they had some incar shots of M Schumacher....and > it was like the CART broadcast last month...the Dang Ferrari engine sounded > like a Kazoo! They don't really sound that buzzy/tinny/small do they? > Ruben's car sounded powerful, due to proper microphone placement I would > guess, but MS's was a joke...bzzzzzzzz. bzzzzz bzzzzz. What causes some > cars to sound cool, and others to sound blechy? > F1 2001 has great incar sound, and it's mod's do as well, but the first > Cart mod for the 2000 sim musta had the same odd sound that the Toyota's in > Mexico had...(and Michael in Brazil) tinny tiney buzzing instead of some > sort of roar. > dave henrie

Ferrari being as paranoiac as they are probably set the microphone in a different position on MS's car as opposed to RB's, or they put some extra "windproof" foam on it or whatever... -- The first ever pinball ezboard !! http://pub7.ezboard.com/bpinball "Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> a �crit dans le message de news: 4XRq8.189522$[email hidden]... > Did anyone notice the end of the F1 broadcast? Speedchannel spent the > last few minutes showing hightlights of the race and some different camera > angles not shown in the regular racecast. > They had a rollbar camera of Rubens Barricello that had excellant sound. > You could hear the engine, the tires, and even the wind...sounded like > GPL(no really it did) Then they had some incar shots of M Schumacher....and > it was like the CART broadcast last month...the Dang Ferrari engine sounded > like a Kazoo! They don't really sound that buzzy/tinny/small do they? > Ruben's car sounded powerful, due to proper microphone placement I would > guess, but MS's was a joke...bzzzzzzzz. bzzzzz bzzzzz. What causes some > cars to sound cool, and others to sound blechy? > F1 2001 has great incar sound, and it's mod's do as well, but the first > Cart mod for the 2000 sim musta had the same odd sound that the Toyota's in > Mexico had...(and Michael in Brazil) tinny tiney buzzing instead of some > sort of roar. > dave henrie > >

Maybe it's the microphone. Some don't get the low frequencies so well, do they? The tinny little sounds annoy me too. These engine's must sound more powerful than that! Todd Wasson --- Performance Simulations Drag Racing and Top Speed Prediction Software http://PerformanceSimulations.Com My little car sim screenshots: http://performancesimulations.com/scnshot4.htm

"Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> writes:

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> Did anyone notice the end of the F1 broadcast? Speedchannel spent the > last few minutes showing hightlights of the race and some different camera > angles not shown in the regular racecast. > They had a rollbar camera of Rubens Barricello that had excellant sound. > You could hear the engine, the tires, and even the wind...sounded like > GPL(no really it did) Then they had some incar shots of M Schumacher....and > it was like the CART broadcast last month...the Dang Ferrari engine sounded > like a Kazoo! They don't really sound that buzzy/tinny/small do they? > Ruben's car sounded powerful, due to proper microphone placement I would > guess, but MS's was a joke...bzzzzzzzz. bzzzzz bzzzzz. What causes some > cars to sound cool, and others to sound blechy?

You want cool engine sound: 1. Buy a big dolby digital home theatre 2. Buy Super Speedway DVD 3. Find the scene from Homestead where the camere is mounted between turn 1 and 2 4. Play it loud 5. Repeat It sounds like real life, scary stuff -- Olav K. Malmin remove .spam when replying

"Olav K. Malmin" <> wrote ... > "Dave Henrie" < writes: > > > Did anyone notice the end of the F1 broadcast? Speedchannel spent the > > last few minutes showing hightlights of the race and some differentcamera > > angles not shown in the regular racecast. > > They had a rollbar camera of Rubens Barricello that had excellantsound. > > You could hear the engine, the tires, and even the wind...sounded like > > GPL(no really it did) Then they had some incar shots of MSchumacher....and > > it was like the CART broadcast last month...the Dang Ferrari enginesounded

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> > like a Kazoo! They don't really sound that buzzy/tinny/small do they? > > Ruben's car sounded powerful, due to proper microphone placement I would > > guess, but MS's was a joke...bzzzzzzzz. bzzzzz bzzzzz. What causes some > > cars to sound cool, and others to sound blechy? > > You want cool engine sound: > > 1. Buy a big dolby digital home theatre > 2. Buy Super Speedway DVD > 3. Find the scene from Homestead where the camere is mounted between > turn 1 and 2 > 4. Play it loud > 5. Repeat > > It sounds like real life, scary stuff

But beware - that DVD cost me a pair of B&W speakers. Don't drive too much bass 'cos there's lots of it. Have to agree with Olav on this as a "must have" if you are reading rec.autos.? and you have a decent dvd / tv / amplifier combination. Tony

Noticed that, as did Steve Matchett who commented on the engine note during the show. Maybe it's the new periscope-style exhausts on the F2002, or where they are relative to the microphone. SB "Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:4XRq8.189522$[email hidden]...

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> Did anyone notice the end of the F1 broadcast? Speedchannel spent the > last few minutes showing hightlights of the race and some different camera > angles not shown in the regular racecast. > They had a rollbar camera of Rubens Barricello that had excellant sound. > You could hear the engine, the tires, and even the wind...sounded like > GPL(no really it did) Then they had some incar shots of M Schumacher....and > it was like the CART broadcast last month...the Dang Ferrari engine sounded > like a Kazoo! They don't really sound that buzzy/tinny/small do they? > Ruben's car sounded powerful, due to proper microphone placement I would > guess, but MS's was a joke...bzzzzzzzz. bzzzzz bzzzzz. What causes some > cars to sound cool, and others to sound blechy? > F1 2001 has great incar sound, and it's mod's do as well, but the first > Cart mod for the 2000 sim musta had the same odd sound that the Toyota's in > Mexico had...(and Michael in Brazil) tinny tiney buzzing instead of some > sort of roar. > dave henrie > > >

On 04 Apr 2002 15:25:26 +0200, [email hidden] (Olav K. Malmin) wrote:

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>You want cool engine sound: > >1. Buy a big dolby digital home theatre >2. Buy Super Speedway DVD >3. Find the scene from Homestead where the camere is mounted between >turn 1 and 2 >4. Play it loud >5. Repeat > >It sounds like real life, scary stuff

I AGREE :)) Fantastic DVD. Here in Holland you can buy it really cheap at Intertoys. Andre

"Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> writes:

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> Did anyone notice the end of the F1 broadcast? Speedchannel spent the > last few minutes showing hightlights of the race and some different camera > angles not shown in the regular racecast. > They had a rollbar camera of Rubens Barricello that had excellant sound. > You could hear the engine, the tires, and even the wind...sounded like > GPL(no really it did) Then they had some incar shots of M Schumacher....and > it was like the CART broadcast last month...the Dang Ferrari engine sounded > like a Kazoo! They don't really sound that buzzy/tinny/small do they? > Ruben's car sounded powerful, due to proper microphone placement I would > guess, but MS's was a joke...bzzzzzzzz. bzzzzz bzzzzz. What causes some > cars to sound cool, and others to sound blechy?

microphone placement and quality, I guess. I saw an older F1-car (maybe from around 1990 or so) at Anderstorp i Sweden once. they really sound nothing like what you hear on TV. not even close. -- Gunnar #31 SUCKS#015 Tupperware MC#002 DoD#0x1B DoDRT#003 DoD:CT#4,8 Kibo�: 2 gitaren er en sjingke

"Steve Blankenship" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:rxZq8.414795$[email hidden]... > Noticed that, as did Steve Matchett who commented on the engine noteduring the show. Maybe it's the new periscope-style exhausts > on the F2002, or where they are relative to the microphone. > > SB Somebody further up the thread mentioned Ferrari being paranoid. I missed it at first but then...ding! The lightbulb came on. Bear with me here...this may be complex. First we go back to the Mexico Cart Race. The Honda's sounded pretty good when viewing the rollbar camera. The Toyota's sounded very bad, almost childish. Certainly the Toyota doesn't run that much worse than the Honda...it's more like they don't WANT people to know exactly how a Toyota engine sounds. Then we see the same thing on Schumacher's Ferrari, but NOT Barricello's. Hmmmm....could it be that Toyota and Ferrari are deliberately masking their engine notes? I remember not to long ago when Mercedes/Ilmor really made the big RPM jump up to the 18,000 plateau. Nobody at Mercedes would admit they were revving the engines that high...but somebody took some sound samples and analyzed the engine note....compared it to previous samples when they had a 14,000 limit and was able to extrapolate the sound and arrive at a reasonable guess of 18,500 for the RPM. Could Ferrari be doing the same thing...only with some parts only Schumi(suprise!) gets? Poor Rubens is running a bone stock 2002 motor, (So no sound muffling) but who knows what the Shoemeister has installed?? Perhaps Ferrari doesn't want his engine note broadcast for sound engineers to decode. To get back somewhat on topic...Sim builders....listen to Barrichello NOT Schumacher....we don't want $50 sims sounding like 5cent Kazooos... dave henrie

"Tony L" <[email hidden]> writes: <super speedway on DVD> > But beware - that DVD cost me a pair of B&W speakers. Don't drive too much > bass 'cos there's lots of it. Ouch. Sorry to hear that. What B&W speakers was it ? My old JBL LX55 seems to handle it fine though, but it's even cooler with my homebuilt 12" celestion subwoofers I haven't even dared to hook up in my new apartment :) -- Olav K. Malmin remove .spam when replying

Gunnar Horrigmo <[email hidden]> writes:

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> "Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> writes: > > > Did anyone notice the end of the F1 broadcast? Speedchannel spent the > > last few minutes showing hightlights of the race and some different camera > > angles not shown in the regular racecast. > > They had a rollbar camera of Rubens Barricello that had excellant sound. > > You could hear the engine, the tires, and even the wind...sounded like > > GPL(no really it did) Then they had some incar shots of M Schumacher....and > > it was like the CART broadcast last month...the Dang Ferrari engine sounded > > like a Kazoo! They don't really sound that buzzy/tinny/small do they? > > Ruben's car sounded powerful, due to proper microphone placement I would > > guess, but MS's was a joke...bzzzzzzzz. bzzzzz bzzzzz. What causes some > > cars to sound cool, and others to sound blechy? > > microphone placement and quality, I guess. I saw an older F1-car > (maybe from around 1990 or so) at Anderstorp i Sweden once. they > really sound nothing like what you hear on TV. not even close.

Some of the prototypes at Le Mans running the old Judd F1 engine. That was loud and screaming. The whimpy Audi/Bentley turbo engine was a joke afterwards :) -- Olav K. Malmin remove .spam when replying

"Olav K. Malmin" wrote ... > "Tony L" writes: > > <super speedway on DVD> > > > But beware - that DVD cost me a pair of B&W speakers. Don't drive toomuch > > bass 'cos there's lots of it. > > Ouch. Sorry to hear that. What B&W speakers was it ? My old JBL LX55 > seems to handle it fine though, but it's even cooler with my homebuilt > 12" celestion subwoofers I haven't even dared to hook up in my new > apartment :) I've since repaired and upgraded. Just one Kef 12" subwoofer plus 100W rms x 5.1 Yamaha surround. It is an experience. Here in Australia, I can use it when i want to - more or less. Used to live in Holland (Amsterdam). Neighbour above would get annoyed if you farted. Could not drive anything beyond the walkman and the microwave. I like it here better (and think I fart less as well). Tony