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"John Simmons" wrote > 7 cautions for 27 laps... That would be the 27 laps I was on the pace... Tony

"John Simmons" wrote That would be the 27 laps I was on the pace... Tony

"John Simmons" wrote... > 7 cautions for 27 laps... > I'm as amazed as you are... it's not *that* hard a track, IMO, and the people who run in these races are generally very solid. Fixed fast setup was a pig though (IMNSHO), perhaps some people just pushed too hard to get to the sort of times they thought they ought to be doing. Was it Mario Andretti who said "you can't go fast on an oval until the car is ready to go fast"? Jan./still ticked off about the game blaming me for an incident I didn't cause. =--- PS.: not to mention it completely messing me up on a yellow flag pitstop at Charlotte. Two cautions at Charlotte BTW, one caused by a severly warping car.

Yep. Sorry for bailing, but in those kind of conditions, got other things to do :) -John "Jan Verschueren" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > "John Simmons" wrote... > > 7 cautions for 27 laps... > > > > I'm as amazed as you are... it's not *that* hard a track, IMO, and the > people who run in these races are generally very solid. Fixed fast setupwas > a pig though (IMNSHO), perhaps some people just pushed too hard to get to > the sort of times they thought they ought to be doing. Was it MarioAndretti > who said "you can't go fast on an oval until the car is ready to go fast"? > > Jan./still ticked off about the game blaming me for an incident I didn't > cause. > =--- > PS.: not to mention it completely messing me up on a yellow flag pitstopat > Charlotte. Two cautions at Charlotte BTW, one caused by a severly warping > car. > >

Grrrrr, I missed the rases today aswell :-((( What time - CET - do these races start? -- ed_

"John Simmons" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > 7 cautions for 27 laps...Hey guys, had a lot of fun racing with you today, you're all pretty fast, I gotta say, I did not make one competitive pass all race long, till that last lap shootout, I was able to drag race to the line and just squeezed by......to get 5th. In between the wrecks, there was some veeeerry close racing at times, the kind that makes you pucker up. All good fun....... Ed

"Jan Verschueren" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > "John Simmons" wrote... > > 7 cautions for 27 laps... > > I'm as amazed as you are... it's not *that* hard a track, IMO, and the I dunno, from my limited experience, I find high speed turns are always a recipe for wrecks because you are on the limit the whole way and there is simply no room for error. I found the pucker factor was just too high and only attempted passing on the straights. I wanted to apologize for my role in caution #7, from my replay it looked like DGF got into the wall in turn 3, ZZ Busch checked up and I pushed him into DGF. I think (hope) it was the only one I was involved in. It was great to race with you gentlemen, looking forward to the next one. -Phasor

In article <[email hidden]>, John Simmons <[email hidden]> writes: >7 cautions for 27 laps... Ooh, that was depressing. My car didn't load, and no one else had my number. I was *supposed* to be driving Ryan Newman's #12. It worked fine LAST week, but not today. Didn't change a THING. Slower than everyone in the field AGAIN during practice. This is getting monotonous. Started almost last, ahead of a couple of cars that didn't get a qual effort. During the second caution, I got hit from behind on the pace lap and damaged. Thought I would be given the black flag for speeding on pit road, so I drove through the pits on the restart. Third caution, I got caught out when everyone slowed down right when the flag dropped. I passed a car, and got a black flag for passing on the left before the s/f line. That's a stupid fucking rule, IMO. Come in to serve the penalty, get out about 12 seconds ahead of the leader(Achim). He's catching me at about 3-4 seconds per lap. Another yellow comes out when he's about 3 seconds behind. Cool - I can make up my lap. Surely he won't force the issue and lap me. Wrong - he got me coming out of turn 3 to put me a lap down. All this within at MOST 15 laps. At that point, it wasn't even worth the effort to continue. I pulled off the track and quit. I was so pissed that I didn't even bother to run at Charlotte. At least I hope *someone* had fun today - it sure in hell wasn't me... :( Eldred -- Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPLRank - under construction... Can the Detroit Tigers match the Detroit Lions' blazing 2001 start of 0-12??? Currently at 0-9 as of April12th...stay tuned... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

"Phasor" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:bx5u8.30027$[email hidden]...

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> > "Jan Verschueren" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > "John Simmons" wrote... > > > 7 cautions for 27 laps... > > > > I'm as amazed as you are... it's not *that* hard a track, IMO, and the > > I dunno, from my limited experience, I find high speed turns are always a > recipe for wrecks because you are on the limit the whole way and there is > simply no room for error. I found the pucker factor was just too high and > only attempted passing on the straights. > > I wanted to apologize for my role in caution #7, from my replay it looked > like DGF got into the wall in turn 3, ZZ Busch checked up and I pushed him > into DGF. I think (hope) it was the only one I was involved in. > > It was great to race with you gentlemen, looking forward to the next one. > > -Phasor

I'm not sure why we had all the yellows today. I just wish the pace car didn't take us around and around when one lap would do. Phasor, I looked at that replay earlier and there's nothing to apologize for as far as I'm concerned. It just looked like racing to me. That stuff happens. You might have gained some extra speed due to the draft and being in the middle. I wasn't touching the wall though, I was just very close to it as I always like to tuck up tight to it and then enter turn 3 right of the racing line, and brake a little deeper into it than others do. Besides, ZZ Busch thought it was all his fault so shhhhh. :-) David G Fisher

hmmm sounds like we need to EDUCATE the non-Nascar-fan drivers about letting lappers back by in yellow flag situations.....odd that "go-for-throat" Americans would be so forgiving in racing that way. But....that's pretty common in Nascar, when there is a yellow, the leader will often let off and allow recentlly lapped cars to get back on the lead lap...The feeling is THEY may need help later in the season so most drivers try to be generous when yellows are thrown. And......since this is friendly competiton, hopefully we will see more of this in the future... dave henrie "EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > In article <[email hidden]>, JohnSimmons > <[email hidden]> writes: > > >7 cautions for 27 laps... > > Ooh, that was depressing. My car didn't load, and no one else had mynumber. > I was *supposed* to be driving Ryan Newman's #12. It worked fine LASTweek, > but not today. Didn't change a THING. Slower than everyone in the fieldAGAIN > during practice. This is getting monotonous. Started almost last, aheadof a > couple of cars that didn't get a qual effort. During the second caution,I got > hit from behind on the pace lap and damaged. Thought I would be given the > black flag for speeding on pit road, so I drove through the pits on the > restart. Third caution, I got caught out when everyone slowed down rightwhen > the flag dropped. I passed a car, and got a black flag for passing on theleft > before the s/f line. That's a stupid fucking rule, IMO. Come in to servethe > penalty, get out about 12 seconds ahead of the leader(Achim). He'scatching me > at about 3-4 seconds per lap. Another yellow comes out when he's about 3 > seconds behind. Cool - I can make up my lap. Surely he won't force theissue > and lap me. Wrong - he got me coming out of turn 3 to put me a lap down.All > this within at MOST 15 laps. At that point, it wasn't even worth theeffort to > continue. I pulled off the track and quit. I was so pissed that I didn'teven > bother to run at Charlotte. At least I hope *someone* had fun today - itsure

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> in hell wasn't me... :( > > Eldred > -- > Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett > GPLRank - under construction... > > Can the Detroit Tigers match the Detroit Lions' blazing 2001 start of

0-12??? > Currently at 0-9 as of April12th...stay tuned... > Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

Sounds to me like a lot of you today found out there's a whole lot more to NASCAR racing, than just turning in some quick laps during practice - then running solo until the race end. That's typical GPL - not NASCAR racing. Also, knowing the "official" NASCAR rules along with the "driver agreed" un-official NASCAR rules is a key to racing in NASCAR. How many people would play golf with you, if every time you hit your ball out of bounds, your opponent got the two-stroke penalty? Well, it may not work that way in golf....but in NASCAR racing it does! When you screw up, usually you and one or two of your competitors "pay the penalty." Maybe more! I think I'll stay out of these RAS races for a while, until the "kiddies" learn the rules, and how to race under them. ...lol... TP "EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > In article <[email hidden]>, JohnSimmons > <[email hidden]> writes: > > >7 cautions for 27 laps... > > Ooh, that was depressing. My car didn't load, and no one else had mynumber. > I was *supposed* to be driving Ryan Newman's #12. It worked fine LASTweek, > but not today. Didn't change a THING. Slower than everyone in the fieldAGAIN > during practice. This is getting monotonous. Started almost last, aheadof a > couple of cars that didn't get a qual effort. During the second caution,I got > hit from behind on the pace lap and damaged. Thought I would be given the > black flag for speeding on pit road, so I drove through the pits on the > restart. Third caution, I got caught out when everyone slowed down rightwhen > the flag dropped. I passed a car, and got a black flag for passing on theleft > before the s/f line. That's a stupid fucking rule, IMO. Come in to servethe > penalty, get out about 12 seconds ahead of the leader(Achim). He'scatching me > at about 3-4 seconds per lap. Another yellow comes out when he's about 3 > seconds behind. Cool - I can make up my lap. Surely he won't force theissue > and lap me. Wrong - he got me coming out of turn 3 to put me a lap down.All > this within at MOST 15 laps. At that point, it wasn't even worth theeffort to > continue. I pulled off the track and quit. I was so pissed that I didn'teven > bother to run at Charlotte. At least I hope *someone* had fun today - itsure

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> in hell wasn't me... :( > > Eldred > -- > Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett > GPLRank - under construction... > > Can the Detroit Tigers match the Detroit Lions' blazing 2001 start of

0-12??? > Currently at 0-9 as of April12th...stay tuned... > Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

Some folks will let racers get their lap back, and others feel that their hard work to put you a lap down shouldnt be just thrown out the window. It's not personal, just the way some folks race. Same as in any Nascar racing series. Dont let it eat ya too much. ;>)

"Jan Verschueren" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > "John Simmons" wrote... > > 7 cautions for 27 laps... > > > > I'm as amazed as you are... it's not *that* hard a track, IMO, and the > people who run in these races are generally very solid. Fixed fast setupwas > a pig though (IMNSHO), perhaps some people just pushed too hard to get to > the sort of times they thought they ought to be doing. Was it MarioAndretti > who said "you can't go fast on an oval until the car is ready to go fast"? > > Jan./still ticked off about the game blaming me for an incident I didn't > cause. > =--- > PS.: not to mention it completely messing me up on a yellow flag pitstopat > Charlotte. Two cautions at Charlotte BTW, one caused by a severly warping > car. Pocono is not that hard but you do get a lot of speed on the straights and have relatively slow corners. Compound that with the usual latency and some cars running much faster lap times than others and you have a recipe for disaster. Charlotte was a lot of fun. Betty somebody?(race winner), David Fisher, and myself ran nose to tail swapping the lead for over half of the race. Kyle

Only recipe for disaster was how people were driving...........lots of excuses being made, IMO :) -John "Kyle Roberts" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:tD7u8.81049$[email hidden]...

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> > "Jan Verschueren" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > "John Simmons" wrote... > > > 7 cautions for 27 laps... > > > > > > > I'm as amazed as you are... it's not *that* hard a track, IMO, and the > > people who run in these races are generally very solid. Fixed fast setup > was > > a pig though (IMNSHO), perhaps some people just pushed too hard to get

to > > the sort of times they thought they ought to be doing. Was it Mario > Andretti > > who said "you can't go fast on an oval until the car is ready to gofast"?

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> > > > Jan./still ticked off about the game blaming me for an incident I didn't > > cause. > > =--- > > PS.: not to mention it completely messing me up on a yellow flag pitstop > at > > Charlotte. Two cautions at Charlotte BTW, one caused by a severly

warping > > car. > > Pocono is not that hard but you do get a lot of speed on the straights and > have relatively slow corners. Compound that with the usual latency andsome

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> cars running much faster lap times than others and you have a recipe for > disaster. Charlotte was a lot of fun. Betty somebody?(race winner), David > Fisher, and myself ran nose to tail swapping the lead for over half of the > race. > > Kyle > > > >

"Kyle Roberts" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:tD7u8.81049$[email hidden]... > > "Jan Verschueren" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > at > > Charlotte. Two cautions at Charlotte BTW, one caused by a severlywarping > > car. > > Pocono is not that hard but you do get a lot of speed on the straights and > have relatively slow corners. Compound that with the usual latency andsome > cars running much faster lap times than others and you have a recipe for > disaster. Charlotte was a lot of fun. Betty somebody?(race winner), David > Fisher, and myself ran nose to tail swapping the lead for over half of the > race. > > Kyle Yea, the Charlotte race was excellent. For me, the first 30 laps were amazing, and the last 20 were excellent too. David G Fisher

"John Pancoast" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Only recipe for disaster was how people were driving...........lots of > excuses being made, IMO :) > > -John The second race at Lowes was relatively incident free with the same drivers, less the ones that left Pocono early. I was just happy to be competing in races that didn't have "Dudes" parking sideways on the backstretch or slowly driving around the track waiting to hear their spotter say the magic words, "Here comes the leader." Kyle

"John Pancoast" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Only recipe for disaster was how people were driving...........lots of > excuses being made, IMO :) > > -John Replay tells all. :-) I'm relieved to be able to say that I didn't cause any yellows at Pocono even though my screen froze four times during the race......all during the laps when we were putting around under yellow. Not one freeze during the entire Charlotte race though. Very weird. David G Fisher

> Sounds to me like a lot of you today found out there's a whole lot > more to NASCAR racing, than just turning in some quick laps during > practice Sounds to me like you are insulting our intelligence. If learning to race in Nascar was achieved by reading text books then we wouldn't need the term "Rookie" How many yesterday thought Nascar racing was about turning in quick laps in solo? - er none. > I think I'll stay out of these RAS races for a while, until the "kiddies" > learn the rules, and how to race under them. ...lol... Fair enough Tom, but some of the "kiddies" like me learnt more from the experienced online Nascar drivers last night than any amount of pickup races. I am surprised you don't feel you have anything to offer. It was my first experience ever of on-line yellow flags for instance - had plenty of practice mind :-) I would rather do that with a known bunch and it sure is different from racing the AI. After all isn't this what RAS is all about - helping each other out? Tony

Pocono is a very hard track, don't kind yourself. The problem at Pocono is the breaking and closing speeds in the turns. Since you need to brake, each car may slow at a different point and thus it usually leads to pile-ups going into the turns. It's also a very flat track making it hard to get through the corners at speed. Unless you tell people in advance so they have time to practice your going to get such issues on almost all tracks beyond the ones you can run nearly flat out. "Jan Verschueren" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > "John Simmons" wrote... > > 7 cautions for 27 laps... > > > > I'm as amazed as you are... it's not *that* hard a track, IMO, and the > people who run in these races are generally very solid. Fixed fast setupwas > a pig though (IMNSHO), perhaps some people just pushed too hard to get to > the sort of times they thought they ought to be doing. Was it MarioAndretti > who said "you can't go fast on an oval until the car is ready to go fast"? > > Jan./still ticked off about the game blaming me for an incident I didn't > cause. > =--- > PS.: not to mention it completely messing me up on a yellow flag pitstopat > Charlotte. Two cautions at Charlotte BTW, one caused by a severly warping > car. > >

Tom, I'd have to agree with you. I was going to run Pocono today but had other things to do and was glad I didn't. No offence to anyone in the RAS races but seems from the comments that a lot of you don't really understand NASCAR. Once you get off the big banked tracks there is a LOT more to the game than trying to run flat out all the time. Hopefully things improve and I can make a race sometime with you guys. "Tom Pabst" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:gD6u8.10151$[email hidden]...

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> Sounds to me like a lot of you today found out there's a whole lot more to > NASCAR racing, than just turning in some quick laps during practice - then > running solo until the race end. That's typical GPL - not NASCAR racing. > Also, knowing the "official" NASCAR rules along with the "driver agreed" > un-official NASCAR rules is a key to racing in NASCAR. > > How many people would play golf with you, if every time you hit your ball > out of bounds, your opponent got the two-stroke penalty? Well, it may not > work that way in golf....but in NASCAR racing it does! When you screw up, > usually you and one or two of your competitors "pay the penalty." Maybe > more! > > I think I'll stay out of these RAS races for a while, until the "kiddies" > learn the rules, and how to race under them. ...lol... > > TP > > > > "EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > In article <[email hidden]>, John > Simmons > > <[email hidden]> writes: > > > > >7 cautions for 27 laps... > > > > Ooh, that was depressing. My car didn't load, and no one else had my > number. > > I was *supposed* to be driving Ryan Newman's #12. It worked fine LAST > week, > > but not today. Didn't change a THING. Slower than everyone in the

field > AGAIN > > during practice. This is getting monotonous. Started almost last,ahead > of a > > couple of cars that didn't get a qual effort. During the secondcaution, > I got > > hit from behind on the pace lap and damaged. Thought I would be giventhe > > black flag for speeding on pit road, so I drove through the pits on the > > restart. Third caution, I got caught out when everyone slowed downright > when > > the flag dropped. I passed a car, and got a black flag for passing onthe > left > > before the s/f line. That's a stupid fucking rule, IMO. Come in toserve > the > > penalty, get out about 12 seconds ahead of the leader(Achim). He's > catching me > > at about 3-4 seconds per lap. Another yellow comes out when he's about3 > > seconds behind. Cool - I can make up my lap. Surely he won't force the > issue > > and lap me. Wrong - he got me coming out of turn 3 to put me a lapdown. > All > > this within at MOST 15 laps. At that point, it wasn't even worth the > effort to > > continue. I pulled off the track and quit. I was so pissed that Ididn't > even > > bother to run at Charlotte. At least I hope *someone* had fun today -it

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> sure > > in hell wasn't me... :( > > > > Eldred > > -- > > Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett > > GPLRank - under construction... > > > > Can the Detroit Tigers match the Detroit Lions' blazing 2001 start of > 0-12??? > > Currently at 0-9 as of April12th...stay tuned... > > Remove SPAM-OFF to reply. > >

Well I'm not sure what comments Tom and you are referring to. Looking back through the replay at some of the incidents at Pocono, there wasn't anything happening that was unique to NASCAR. Some vets made mistakes and also some new guys. I think two incidents may have been caused by a driver with a connection problem. What was annoying was the number of times the pace car pulls you around the track when something minor happens. The other RASCAR races have been very, very clean and fast so far, including the follow up to Pocono at Charlotte. Like Kyle said, a few of us were running nose to tail with no room for error for half the race on a very fast and quick track, and the rest of the field was clean since we only had two cautions in 84 laps, one caused by a warping driver who politley disconnected when he realized what was happening. Also, there are plenty of wrecks in a real NASCAR race from what I've seen over the years. Those wrecks are actually a big reason many fans watch the races. IMO, NASCAR sim racing certainly isn't as hard as F1.There hasn't been anything really difficult to understand either in driving technique or rules that I've come across since I bought N2002. David G Fisher "Schooner" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:ffdu8.16328$[email hidden]... > Tom, I'd have to agree with you. I was going to run Pocono today but had > other things to do and was glad I didn't. > No offence to anyone in the RAS races but seems from the comments that alot

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> of you don't really understand NASCAR. Once you get off the big banked > tracks there is a LOT more to the game than trying to run flat out all the > time. > Hopefully things improve and I can make a race sometime with you guys. > > "Tom Pabst" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:gD6u8.10151$[email hidden]... > > Sounds to me like a lot of you today found out there's a whole lot more

to > > NASCAR racing, than just turning in some quick laps during practice -then > > running solo until the race end. That's typical GPL - not NASCARracing. > > Also, knowing the "official" NASCAR rules along with the "driver agreed" > > un-official NASCAR rules is a key to racing in NASCAR. > > > > How many people would play golf with you, if every time you hit yourball > > out of bounds, your opponent got the two-stroke penalty? Well, it maynot > > work that way in golf....but in NASCAR racing it does! When you screwup, > > usually you and one or two of your competitors "pay the penalty." Maybe > > more! > > > > I think I'll stay out of these RAS races for a while, until the"kiddies"

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> > learn the rules, and how to race under them. ...lol... > > > > TP > > > > > > > > "EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:[email hidden]... > > > In article <[email hidden]>, John > > Simmons > > > <[email hidden]> writes: > > > > > > >7 cautions for 27 laps... > > > > > > Ooh, that was depressing. My car didn't load, and no one else had my > > number. > > > I was *supposed* to be driving Ryan Newman's #12. It worked fine LAST > > week, > > > but not today. Didn't change a THING. Slower than everyone in the > field > > AGAIN > > > during practice. This is getting monotonous. Started almost last, > ahead > > of a > > > couple of cars that didn't get a qual effort. During the second > caution, > > I got > > > hit from behind on the pace lap and damaged. Thought I would be given > the > > > black flag for speeding on pit road, so I drove through the pits on

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> > > restart. Third caution, I got caught out when everyone slowed down > right > > when > > > the flag dropped. I passed a car, and got a black flag for passing on > the > > left > > > before the s/f line. That's a stupid fucking rule, IMO. Come in to > serve > > the > > > penalty, get out about 12 seconds ahead of the leader(Achim). He's > > catching me > > > at about 3-4 seconds per lap. Another yellow comes out when he's

about > 3 > > > seconds behind. Cool - I can make up my lap. Surely he won't forcethe

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> > issue > > > and lap me. Wrong - he got me coming out of turn 3 to put me a lap > down. > > All > > > this within at MOST 15 laps. At that point, it wasn't even worth the > > effort to > > > continue. I pulled off the track and quit. I was so pissed that I > didn't > > even > > > bother to run at Charlotte. At least I hope *someone* had fun today - > it > > sure > > > in hell wasn't me... :( > > > > > > Eldred > > > -- > > > Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett > > > GPLRank - under construction... > > > > > > Can the Detroit Tigers match the Detroit Lions' blazing 2001 start of > > 0-12??? > > > Currently at 0-9 as of April12th...stay tuned... > > > Remove SPAM-OFF to reply. > > > > > >

Maybe the next race should be at a track like Talladega, Daytona, or Texas. We've done the road courses and a few small tracks along with Pocono, so maybe a SS track would be a good idea. Something a little less tedious for the next race. David G Fisher "EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > In article <[email hidden]>, JohnSimmons > <[email hidden]> writes: > > >7 cautions for 27 laps... > > Ooh, that was depressing. My car didn't load, and no one else had mynumber. > I was *supposed* to be driving Ryan Newman's #12. It worked fine LASTweek, > but not today. Didn't change a THING. Slower than everyone in the fieldAGAIN > during practice. This is getting monotonous. Started almost last, aheadof a > couple of cars that didn't get a qual effort. During the second caution,I got > hit from behind on the pace lap and damaged. Thought I would be given the > black flag for speeding on pit road, so I drove through the pits on the > restart. Third caution, I got caught out when everyone slowed down rightwhen > the flag dropped. I passed a car, and got a black flag for passing on theleft > before the s/f line. That's a stupid fucking rule, IMO. Come in to servethe > penalty, get out about 12 seconds ahead of the leader(Achim). He'scatching me > at about 3-4 seconds per lap. Another yellow comes out when he's about 3 > seconds behind. Cool - I can make up my lap. Surely he won't force theissue > and lap me. Wrong - he got me coming out of turn 3 to put me a lap down.All > this within at MOST 15 laps. At that point, it wasn't even worth theeffort to > continue. I pulled off the track and quit. I was so pissed that I didn'teven > bother to run at Charlotte. At least I hope *someone* had fun today - itsure

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> in hell wasn't me... :( > > Eldred > -- > Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett > GPLRank - under construction... > > Can the Detroit Tigers match the Detroit Lions' blazing 2001 start of

0-12??? > Currently at 0-9 as of April12th...stay tuned... > Remove SPAM-OFF to reply. >

I think it's set to 64 now. I'll check it and see. I may get some more ram and see what happens. At least I know it's not heat that's causing the problem. David G Fisher "Joachim Trensz" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:a9bnc1$1t2nm$[email hidden]... > Hi David, > > I yesterday read somewhere that an incorrectly set AGP aperture size (inthe > mobo BIOS) can lead to such screen freezes, even if the size is selectedtoo

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> _large_. Maybe this would be something you could try? > > Achim > > > > "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:CG8u8.33594$[email hidden]... > ... > > ...my screen froze four times during the race... > > >

I forgot to say why I know it's not heat related. I took the case off and had a big fan blowing at the video card and chip. David G Fisher "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:bOdu8.24733$[email hidden]...

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> I think it's set to 64 now. I'll check it and see. I may get some more ram > and see what happens. At least I know it's not heat that's causing the > problem. > > David G Fisher > > "Joachim Trensz" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:a9bnc1$1t2nm$[email hidden]... > > Hi David, > > > > I yesterday read somewhere that an incorrectly set AGP aperture size (in > the > > mobo BIOS) can lead to such screen freezes, even if the size is selected > too > > _large_. Maybe this would be something you could try? > > > > Achim > > > > > > > > "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:CG8u8.33594$[email hidden]... > > ... > > > ...my screen froze four times during the race... > > > > > > > > >

I wanted to apologize for my role in caution #7, from my replay it looked like DGF got into the wall in turn 3, ZZ Busch checked up and I pushed him into DGF. I think (hope) it was the only one I was involved in. Thats what it seemed like from my seat. I did check up for David. As they say, I guess it's one of them Nascar racing deals. It comes from racing close together. No reaction time, I guess. I think after we all race together for a while we'll get better. I remember that in most of the leagues I've run in. It took quite a few races to get used to the other competitors. ZZ

Besides, ZZ Busch thought it was all his fault so shhhhh. :-) David G Fisher Hey!!! I did feel bad hitting you. But I did get help. I think I would've missed you if not for the tap. But that's Nascar racing. ZZ

"Tom Pabst" wrote... > <snip> I think you haven't got the premise for these races straight. The way I understand it, the whole idea behind setting up these races was for those in RAS who are/were not quite that familiar with NASCAR racing and were scared off by the N4 online climate to be able race and learn from those more experienced without having to worry about their wrath and for both to race away from the wreckers which ruin pick-up racing. If you were expecting some super elite, better than real life racing extravaganza then that's most unfortunate. I agree the Pocono race was pretty bad, but, from what little NASCAR coverage we get here, I gather the Pro's have races like that too. BTW: what rule, written or otherwise, covers how much distance one should leave if there's an invisible car between one's car and the next competitor ahead? Jan. =---

I think I'll stay out of these RAS races for a while, until the "kiddies" learn the rules, and how to race under them. ...lol... TP Now that just stinks of snobbery. I learn more racing with veterans then rookies. Driving lines, pit stategy, etc. The first few races with a new group is always a learning experience. How people drive etc. ZZ

Tom, that was a silly thing to say. I think you have to do some catching up on some of the 'driver agreed' rules, too. Achim At least it wasn't a 10 page diatribe!! LOL ZZ

"Schooner" wrote... > Pocono is a very hard track, don't kind yourself. The problem at > Pocono is the breaking and closing speeds in the turns. Since you > need to brake, each car may slow at a different point and thus it > usually leads to pile-ups going into the turns. In which way is this different from the two roadcourses we'd already succesfully absorbed? -Or from any roadcoarse in GPL for that matter? To paraphrase JPM "Just 3 turn, each with clearly defined brake markers... how difficult can it be?" > It's also a very flat track making it hard to get through the > corners at speed. I will agree to this one... the corners are of the "wait a while"-type. Seems to take forever before you can get the power down again. No question the NASCAR veterans were able to keep more speed up than I was, unfortunately some couldn't imagine anybody going any slower. > Unless you tell people in advance so they have time to practice > your going to get such issues on almost all tracks beyond the > ones you can run nearly flat out. Tracks were announced a week ago. That said, to practise I went from memory and only discovered after the Pocono race I had practised the wrong speedway (Darlington instead of Charlotte) and I went into the 2nd race cold. Don't think anybody really noticed, though. Jan. =---

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> I wanted to apologize for my role in caution #7, from my replay it looked > like DGF got into the wall in turn 3, ZZ Busch checked up and I pushed him > into DGF. I think (hope) it was the only one I was involved in. > > > Thats what it seemed like from my seat. I did check up for David. As they > say, I guess it's one of them Nascar racing deals. It comes from racing > close together. No reaction time, I guess.

What does "check up" mean? Does it mean braking early? I have no idea. I wasn't into the wall at all though (as can be seen from the helicopter view) I braked late and stayed wide, leaving the "ideal line" open until we get close to the apex. I did that on every lap with T3 except when I passed someone on the inside. Right up close to the wall on entry but never hitting it. I basically follow the ideal line Papy shows with the "r" key except I brake a bit later and I go slightly wider and deeper before going for the apex. I do the same thing on entry to all three corners at Pocono actually. The replay shows you getting hit hard from behind and then basically shot into me. David G Fisher

Hi David, I yesterday read somewhere that an incorrectly set AGP aperture size (in the mobo BIOS) can lead to such screen freezes, even if the size is selected too _large_. Maybe this would be something you could try? Achim "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:CG8u8.33594$[email hidden]... ... > ...my screen froze four times during the race...

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>Hi Eldred, > >apologies for taking the lap from you at that point. > >I'd actually decided to stay behind you to let you remain on the lead lap. >But then you seemed to get into trouble in T3, ran wide and slowed down >considerably (did you hit the wall?), and that sort of made me think it >would be strategically better for my own direct battle with JohnP to not >have to deal with passing you after the restart. >

In other words, you didn't trust me restarting in front of you. That makes me feel worse... Eldred -- Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPLRank - under construction... Can the Detroit Tigers match the Detroit Lions' blazing 2001 start of 0-12??? Currently at 0-10 as of April13th...stay tuned... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

In article <4g6u8.37711$%[email hidden]>, "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> writes: >I'm not sure why we had all the yellows today. I just wish the pace car >didn't take us around and around when one lap would do. All the races so far have had yellows enabled, so I set that one up the same way. Eldred -- Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPLRank - under construction... Can the Detroit Tigers match the Detroit Lions' blazing 2001 start of 0-12??? Currently at 0-10 as of April13th...stay tuned... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

In article <ffdu8.16328$[email hidden]>, "Schooner" <[email hidden]> writes: >No offence to anyone in the RAS races but seems from the comments that a lot >of you don't really understand NASCAR. Once you get off the big banked >tracks there is a LOT more to the game than trying to run flat out all the >time. Such as? Eldred -- Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPLRank - under construction... Can the Detroit Tigers match the Detroit Lions' blazing 2001 start of 0-12??? Currently at 0-10 as of April13th...stay tuned... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

In article <gD6u8.10151$[email hidden]>, "Tom Pabst" <[email hidden]> writes:

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>Sounds to me like a lot of you today found out there's a whole lot more to >NASCAR racing, than just turning in some quick laps during practice - then >running solo until the race end. That's typical GPL - not NASCAR racing. >Also, knowing the "official" NASCAR rules along with the "driver agreed" >un-official NASCAR rules is a key to racing in NASCAR. > >How many people would play golf with you, if every time you hit your ball >out of bounds, your opponent got the two-stroke penalty? Well, it may not >work that way in golf....but in NASCAR racing it does! When you screw up, >usually you and one or two of your competitors "pay the penalty." Maybe >more! > >I think I'll stay out of these RAS races for a while, until the "kiddies" >learn the rules, and how to race under them. ...lol... >

"Kiddies"? Why do you insist on being such a jerk, Tom? You seem to get a delight out of others' misfortunes. The fact that I'm slow doesn't mean that I shouldn't be racing, does it? Most of my races I *do* end up running solo, whether it's Nascar or GPL. Tell you what...you can stay out of ALL of my races...it's fine by me. Eldred -- Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPLRank - under construction... Can the Detroit Tigers match the Detroit Lions' blazing 2001 start of 0-12??? Currently at 0-10 as of April13th...stay tuned... Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

What I mean by "yellows" is accidents. David G Fisher "EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> In article <4g6u8.37711$%[email hidden]>, "David G > Fisher" <[email hidden]> writes: > > >I'm not sure why we had all the yellows today. I just wish the pace car > >didn't take us around and around when one lap would do. > > All the races so far have had yellows enabled, so I set that one up the

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> way. > > Eldred > -- > Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett > GPLRank - under construction... > > Can the Detroit Tigers match the Detroit Lions' blazing 2001 start of

0-12??? > Currently at 0-10 as of April13th...stay tuned... > Remove SPAM-OFF to reply. >

Hi Eldred, apologies for taking the lap from you at that point. I'd actually decided to stay behind you to let you remain on the lead lap. But then you seemed to get into trouble in T3, ran wide and slowed down considerably (did you hit the wall?), and that sort of made me think it would be strategically better for my own direct battle with JohnP to not have to deal with passing you after the restart. It was a split-second decision. I'm a rookie on ovals, and I wasn't aware that apparently (as I deduce from what you said in your message) you would have been allowed to pass the pacecar and line up at the end of the field. Sorry again. Achim "EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... ... > ...about 12 seconds ahead of the leader(Achim). He's catching me > at about 3-4 seconds per lap. Another yellow comes out when he's about 3 > seconds behind. Cool - I can make up my lap. Surely he won't force theissue > and lap me. Wrong - he got me coming out of turn 3 to put me a lap down.

Pure ignorance on my part Dave, not cutthroat attitude. You know I'm a rookie on ovals. I'd decided to let him stay on the lead lap, but then he seemed to get untidy in T3 and that made me worried about what the restart would look like with him ahead of me. I wasn't aware that (apparently?) he'd be allowed to pass the pacecar and go to the end of the line. It didn't feel good to pass him anyway and I did it neither lightheartedly nor happily, but purely for a strategical reason, and was feeling sorry while making the pass, too. Achim "Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:4l6u8.10072$[email hidden]... > hmmm sounds like we need to EDUCATE the non-Nascar-fan drivers about > letting lappers back by in yellow flag situations.....odd that > "go-for-throat" Americans would be so forgiving in racing that way. > But....that's pretty common in Nascar, when there is a yellow, the leader > will often let off and allow recentlly lapped cars to get back on the lead > lap...The feeling is THEY may need help later in the season so mostdrivers > try to be generous when yellows are thrown. And......since this isfriendly > competiton, hopefully we will see more of this in the future... > dave henrie

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> "John Simmons" wrote > > > 7 cautions for 27 laps... > > That would be the 27 laps I was on the pace... > > Tony

I think you did pretty well Tony. :) -- ========================================================= Redneck Techno-Biker & "programming deity" http://www.paddedwall.org/john DeMONS/1 for Nascar Racing 3 & Nascar Legends http://www.paddedwall.org/demons DeMONS/2 for Nascar Racing 4 and 2002 Season (in development) http://www.paddedwall.org/demons2 Barbarian Diecast Collector (460+ cars and counting) http://www.paddedwall.org/diecast If you want to send me email, go to the first URL shown above & click "Send Me Mail" in the contents frame. =========================================================

I'm not the Montoya of RASCAR ;-) I'll do better the next time. Achim "GMpartsguy" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:s67u8.29477$CH1.25686@sccrnsc02... > Some folks will let racers get their lap back, and others feel that their > hard work to put you a lap down shouldnt be just thrown out the window.It's > not personal, just the way some folks race. Same as in any Nascar racing > series. Dont let it eat ya too much. ;>)

Tom, that was a silly thing to say. I think you have to do some catching up on some of the 'driver agreed' rules, too. Achim "Tom Pabst" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:gD6u8.10151$[email hidden]... ... > I think I'll stay out of these RAS races for a while, until the "kiddies" > learn the rules, and how to race under them. ...lol......

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> "John Simmons" wrote... > > 7 cautions for 27 laps... > > > > I'm as amazed as you are... it's not *that* hard a track, IMO, and the > people who run in these races are generally very solid. Fixed fast setup was > a pig though (IMNSHO), perhaps some people just pushed too hard to get to > the sort of times they thought they ought to be doing. Was it Mario Andretti > who said "you can't go fast on an oval until the car is ready to go fast"?

There's not a thing in the world wrong with the fast setup for Pocono. It's amtter of playing with the hand you're dealt, and adjusting your driving style. I think the problem was that some people didn't practice as much as others. I ran three 30-lpa races offline, and I think it paid off if you ignore the two brain farts I had. > Jan./still ticked off about the game blaming me for an incident I didn't > cause. You don't get incident points for causing an incident, you get them if you're *involved* in one, whether you're the cause or not. The game has no way of knowing who caused it. -- ========================================================= Redneck Techno-Biker & "programming deity" http://www.paddedwall.org/john DeMONS/1 for Nascar Racing 3 & Nascar Legends http://www.paddedwall.org/demons DeMONS/2 for Nascar Racing 4 and 2002 Season (in development) http://www.paddedwall.org/demons2 Barbarian Diecast Collector (460+ cars and counting) http://www.paddedwall.org/diecast If you want to send me email, go to the first URL shown above & click "Send Me Mail" in the contents frame. =========================================================

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> Yep. Sorry for bailing, but in those kind of conditions, got other things > to do :) > > -John > > > "Jan Verschueren" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > "John Simmons" wrote... > > > 7 cautions for 27 laps... > > > > > > > I'm as amazed as you are... it's not *that* hard a track, IMO, and the > > people who run in these races are generally very solid. Fixed fast setup > was > > a pig though (IMNSHO), perhaps some people just pushed too hard to get to > > the sort of times they thought they ought to be doing. Was it Mario > Andretti > > who said "you can't go fast on an oval until the car is ready to go fast"? > > > > Jan./still ticked off about the game blaming me for an incident I didn't > > cause. > > =--- > > PS.: not to mention it completely messing me up on a yellow flag pitstop > at > > Charlotte. Two cautions at Charlotte BTW, one caused by a severly warping > > car. > >

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In article <lq4u8.4965$[email hidden]>, [email hidden] says... > Grrrrr, I missed the rases today aswell :-((( > > What time - CET - do these races start? > http://www.worldtimezone.com/ -- ========================================================= Redneck Techno-Biker & "programming deity" http://www.paddedwall.org/john DeMONS/1 for Nascar Racing 3 & Nascar Legends http://www.paddedwall.org/demons DeMONS/2 for Nascar Racing 4 and 2002 Season (in development) http://www.paddedwall.org/demons2 Barbarian Diecast Collector (460+ cars and counting) http://www.paddedwall.org/diecast If you want to send me email, go to the first URL shown above & click "Send Me Mail" in the contents frame. =========================================================

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> > "John Simmons" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > 7 cautions for 27 laps... > Hey guys, had a lot of fun racing with you today, you're all pretty fast, I > gotta say, I did not make one competitive pass all race long, till that last > lap shootout, I was able to drag race to the line and just squeezed > by......to get 5th. In between the wrecks, there was some veeeerry close > racing at times, the kind that makes you pucker up. All good fun....... > Ed

I recall being right on your rear bumper a couple times ed, and I'm the guy you beat to the finish line for 5th (grrr). :) -- ========================================================= Redneck Techno-Biker & "programming deity" http://www.paddedwall.org/john DeMONS/1 for Nascar Racing 3 & Nascar Legends http://www.paddedwall.org/demons DeMONS/2 for Nascar Racing 4 and 2002 Season (in development) http://www.paddedwall.org/demons2 Barbarian Diecast Collector (460+ cars and counting) http://www.paddedwall.org/diecast If you want to send me email, go to the first URL shown above & click "Send Me Mail" in the contents frame. =========================================================

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> > "Jan Verschueren" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > "John Simmons" wrote... > > > 7 cautions for 27 laps... > > > > I'm as amazed as you are... it's not *that* hard a track, IMO, and the > > I dunno, from my limited experience, I find high speed turns are always a > recipe for wrecks because you are on the limit the whole way and there is > simply no room for error. I found the pucker factor was just too high and > only attempted passing on the straights.

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In article <gD6u8.10151$[email hidden]>, [email hidden] says... > > I think I'll stay out of these RAS races for a while, until the "kiddies" > learn the rules, and how to race under them. ...lol... > I think you should run the races Tom. I'd like to see how many of the GPL/F1 guys would burn up their tires WAY too early (GPL's tire wear model was lacking) -- ========================================================= Redneck Techno-Biker & "programming deity" http://www.paddedwall.org/john DeMONS/1 for Nascar Racing 3 & Nascar Legends http://www.paddedwall.org/demons DeMONS/2 for Nascar Racing 4 and 2002 Season (in development) http://www.paddedwall.org/demons2 Barbarian Diecast Collector (460+ cars and counting) http://www.paddedwall.org/diecast If you want to send me email, go to the first URL shown above & click "Send Me Mail" in the contents frame. =========================================================

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> > "ZZ Busch" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:P0eu8.63932$[email hidden]... > > I wanted to apologize for my role in caution #7, from my replay it looked > > like DGF got into the wall in turn 3, ZZ Busch checked up and I pushed him > > into DGF. I think (hope) it was the only one I was involved in. > > > > > > Thats what it seemed like from my seat. I did check up for David. As they > > say, I guess it's one of them Nascar racing deals. It comes from racing > > close together. No reaction time, I guess. > > What does "check up" mean? Does it mean braking early? I have no idea.

It's a term used in nascar when a driver has to brake to avoid a problem (either real or imagined). -- ========================================================= Redneck Techno-Biker & "programming deity" http://www.paddedwall.org/john DeMONS/1 for Nascar Racing 3 & Nascar Legends http://www.paddedwall.org/demons DeMONS/2 for Nascar Racing 4 and 2002 Season (in development) http://www.paddedwall.org/demons2 Barbarian Diecast Collector (460+ cars and counting) http://www.paddedwall.org/diecast If you want to send me email, go to the first URL shown above & click "Send Me Mail" in the contents frame. =========================================================

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> In article <a9bnc2$1t2nm$[email hidden]>, "Joachim Trensz" > <[email hidden]> writes: > > >Hi Eldred, > > > >apologies for taking the lap from you at that point. > > > >I'd actually decided to stay behind you to let you remain on the lead lap. > >But then you seemed to get into trouble in T3, ran wide and slowed down > >considerably (did you hit the wall?), and that sort of made me think it > >would be strategically better for my own direct battle with JohnP to not > >have to deal with passing you after the restart. > > > > In other words, you didn't trust me restarting in front of you. That makes me > feel worse... >

I think he was actually saying that he had a choice - be a nice guy and let you stay on the lead lap, or keep 1st place. The choice was (logically) to keep 1st place. Eldred, I think you're taking this too hard dude. I'm almost NEVER the fastest in practice (usually middle of the pack), but pracftice isn't where it counts. What counts is how clean you race and that you DON'T QUIT. If you can keep out of trouble and pit smart, you can usually eek out a better position than you originally thought you would. If your race ends with you driving something that looks anything like a car, so what? As long as you make a decent effort to stay out of the way of the rest of the field, you finished, and that's all that counts. I have only quite a couple of races and that was because the connection degraded after I joined it. Nobody's gonna think any less of you for finishing poorly. What we notice is how you drive while you're on the track. I think you should just have fun and race, get a feel for the way the cars react in certain situations, and put in a couple of practice races against the AI (set them at 94%). When you can keep up with them at that rate, you'll be going at least as fast as I am. If you want to practice your passing technique, run the AI down to 91- 92%. The key is to have fun. -- ========================================================= Redneck Techno-Biker & "programming deity" http://www.paddedwall.org/john DeMONS/1 for Nascar Racing 3 & Nascar Legends http://www.paddedwall.org/demons DeMONS/2 for Nascar Racing 4 and 2002 Season (in development) http://www.paddedwall.org/demons2 Barbarian Diecast Collector (460+ cars and counting) http://www.paddedwall.org/diecast If you want to send me email, go to the first URL shown above & click "Send Me Mail" in the contents frame. =========================================================

I think some of us have lost track of what this is all about. We're not racing for points, there's no money oinvolved, and unless you reall give a rat's ass about rankings and the much idolized LPI, they're not a factor either. We're just a bunch of guys that have managed to form a unique little band of racers who only want a chance to race clean once in a while. We don't have to worry aboput intentional wrecking, jump-starters, or many of the other typically moronic moves we see in pickup races. I for one am damn glad of that. The fact that I've raced with many of you before (either Nascar or GPL) is an added bonus because there's a certain amount of rib-jabbing and good-natured criticism that we can all give/take from one another without going over the edge into an all-out fame fest. Unlike the pickuip races, most of our cautions are caused by "one of them racin' deals". To Eldred - keep trying and don't quit the races. Avoiding being hit is as important as avoiding hitting someone. Besides, you're not always gonna be the slowest in practice. To Tom - we need you there simply because you're a good teacher. Your lofty ideals are to be commended, but you gotta give the rest of us a little latitude where mistakes are concerned. They're simply gonna happen. To John Pancoast and Achim - Slow the f*ck down and let the rest of us keep up so we can at least have the illusion of being competitive. :) C'mon guys, it's just a game, and I don't know about the rest of you, but I'm here to have fun. Run the complete race no matter how bored you are - we ALL need the track time in a controlled environment like Eldred's server (and many thanks to Eldred for running it). -- ========================================================= Redneck Techno-Biker & "programming deity" http://www.paddedwall.org/john DeMONS/1 for Nascar Racing 3 & Nascar Legends http://www.paddedwall.org/demons DeMONS/2 for Nascar Racing 4 and 2002 Season (in development) http://www.paddedwall.org/demons2 Barbarian Diecast Collector (460+ cars and counting) http://www.paddedwall.org/diecast If you want to send me email, go to the first URL shown above & click "Send Me Mail" in the contents frame. =========================================================

"John Simmons" wrote... > > <snip> > There's not a thing in the world wrong with the fast setup > for Pocono. It's amtter of playing with the hand you're dealt, > and adjusting your driving style. Of course, in a fixed setup race one has to drive around any problems the setup may pose. I was just saying it was perhaps easier for me to accept the times I was doing than for those who are habituated to running faster times. > I think the problem was that some people didn't practice > as much as others. I ran three 30-lpa races offline, and > I think it paid off if you ignore the two brain farts I had. I hadn't had as much practise as I would have liked and therefore tried to keep out of harms way. Unfortunately people further up the order insisted on having accidents, pitting and ending up behind me. Fed up with being forced off line by cars much faster than myself I eventually just let them go at the last but one yellow. I was going to attempt staying ahead on the last lap green dash, but it seems a couple competitors took a bit of a run at the restart and I had to yield. > > <snip> > You don't get incident points for causing an incident, you get > them if you're *involved* in one, whether you're the cause or > not. The game has no way of knowing who caused it. Ah I see... that kind of sucks, IMO.

Different because on a road course you don't have the same speeds going into the corners and you don't run as tight going into the turns like you do at Pocono. "Jan Verschueren" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> "Schooner" wrote... > > Pocono is a very hard track, don't kind yourself. The problem at > > Pocono is the breaking and closing speeds in the turns. Since you > > need to brake, each car may slow at a different point and thus it > > usually leads to pile-ups going into the turns. > > In which way is this different from the two roadcourses we'd already > succesfully absorbed? -Or from any roadcoarse in GPL for that matter? To > paraphrase JPM "Just 3 turn, each with clearly defined brake markers...

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> difficult can it be?" > > > It's also a very flat track making it hard to get through the > > corners at speed. > > I will agree to this one... the corners are of the "wait a while"-type. > Seems to take forever before you can get the power down again. No question > the NASCAR veterans were able to keep more speed up than I was, > unfortunately some couldn't imagine anybody going any slower. > > > Unless you tell people in advance so they have time to practice > > your going to get such issues on almost all tracks beyond the > > ones you can run nearly flat out. > > Tracks were announced a week ago. That said, to practise I went from

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> (Darlington instead of Charlotte) and I went into the 2nd race cold. Don't > think anybody really noticed, though. > > Jan. > =--- > >

John, that is a great attitude, hope to race with you soon :) -- Ian P <email invalid due to spam> "John Simmons" <[email hidden]> wrote > C'mon guys, it's just a game, and I don't know about the rest of you, > but I'm here to have fun. Run the complete race no matter how bored you > are - we ALL need the track time in a controlled environment like > Eldred's server (and many thanks to Eldred for running it). >

"John Simmons" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > In article <[email hidden]>, > [email hidden] says... > > In article <a9bnc2$1t2nm$[email hidden]>, "Joachim Trensz" > > <[email hidden]> writes:.

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> > Eldred, I think you're taking this too hard dude. I'm almost NEVER the > fastest in practice (usually middle of the pack), but pracftice isn't > where it counts. What counts is how clean you race and that you DON'T > QUIT. > > If you can keep out of trouble and pit smart, you can usually eek out a > better position than you originally thought you would. If your race > ends with you driving something that looks anything like a car, so what? > As long as you make a decent effort to stay out of the way of the rest > of the field, you finished, and that's all that counts. I have only > quite a couple of races and that was because the connection degraded > after I joined it.

Eldred, first of all, thanks for hosting the races, you were gone before I had a chance to say that, and next, everything John says above is correct, I was by no means the fastest guy out there, I gave maybe a little too much room when guys got inside me (and did not get wrecked) , kept from running into the back of people, and finished the race in 5th with a clean car.....except I could see the hood, but that was all me :^) Nascar races with yellows enabled are long term endeavors, no matter how good a move you make on lap 2, the race ends at lap 50, or 100, and I've had the pleasure of winning races from a lap down, when I've had a 3rd place car and 1st and 2nd take each other out, and yes, occasionally, from just being faster......it's all for fun, but you've got to be there at the end to see what happens. I'll admit that my 5th place finish is nothing to write home about, but in my first race with you folks I didn't want to run the risk of being labeled an idiot by making bad/risky moves.......that's next week! Ed

I always finish, when there's actually a race.<G> Hmmm......soccer outside with the kids on a nice, sunny spring day, or driving pace laps over and over.......easy decision<G> -John "John Simmons" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> > The whole point of racing is finishing. > > -- > ========================================================= > Redneck Techno-Biker & "programming deity" > http://www.paddedwall.org/john > > DeMONS/1 for Nascar Racing 3 & Nascar Legends > http://www.paddedwall.org/demons > > DeMONS/2 for Nascar Racing 4 and 2002 Season (in development) > http://www.paddedwall.org/demons2 > > Barbarian Diecast Collector (460+ cars and counting) > http://www.paddedwall.org/diecast > > If you want to send me email, go to the first URL shown > above & click "Send Me Mail" in the contents frame. > =========================================================

Yep Tony. A bit on the harsh side there Tom. -John "Tony Rickard" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:jUbu8.2146$[email hidden]...

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> > Sounds to me like a lot of you today found out there's a whole lot > > more to NASCAR racing, than just turning in some quick laps during > > practice > > Sounds to me like you are insulting our intelligence. > > If learning to race in Nascar was achieved by reading text books then we > wouldn't need the term "Rookie" > > How many yesterday thought Nascar racing was about turning in quick laps

in > solo? - er none. > > > I think I'll stay out of these RAS races for a while, until the"kiddies" > > learn the rules, and how to race under them. ...lol... > > Fair enough Tom, but some of the "kiddies" like me learnt more from the > experienced online Nascar drivers last night than any amount of pickupraces. I > am surprised you don't feel you have anything to offer. > > It was my first experience ever of on-line yellow flags for instance - had > plenty of practice mind :-) > > I would rather do that with a known bunch and it sure is different fromracing

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> the AI. > > After all isn't this what RAS is all about - helping each other out? > > Tony > >

Not sure what you mena here Jan; a warping car ? -John "Jan Verschueren" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > "Tom Pabst" wrote... > > <snip> > > BTW: what rule, written or otherwise, covers how much distance one should > leave if there's an invisible car between one's car and the nextcompetitor > ahead? > > Jan. > =--- > >

I am stumped as to why I was warping in the Charlotte race...what a bummer after other obligations caused me to miss the Pocono race, I was looking forward to Charlotte....I am on a cable connection, and have never before been told I was "warpy". Oh well it was a nice tight field, would have been fun, sorry to anyone that I caused probs for....hopefully I can figure something out, but as I said it has never been a problem anywhere else. -- Greg31 David G Fisher wrote in message ... >Well I'm not sure what comments Tom and you are referring to. Looking back >through the replay at some of the incidents at Pocono, there wasn't anything >happening that was unique to NASCAR. Some vets made mistakes and also some >new guys. I think two incidents may have been caused by a driver with a >connection problem. What was annoying was the number of times the pace car >pulls you around the track when something minor happens. > >The other RASCAR races have been very, very clean and fast so far, including >the follow up to Pocono at Charlotte. Like Kyle said, a few of us were >running nose to tail with no room for error for half the race on a very fast >and quick track, and the rest of the field was clean since we only had two >cautions in 84 laps, one caused by a warping driver who politley >disconnected when he realized what was happening. > >Also, there are plenty of wrecks in a real NASCAR race from what I've seen >over the years. Those wrecks are actually a big reason many fans watch the >races. > >IMO, NASCAR sim racing certainly isn't as hard as F1.There hasn't been >anything really difficult to understand either in driving technique or rules >that I've come across since I bought N2002. > >David G Fisher > >"Schooner" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >news:ffdu8.16328$[email hidden]... >> Tom, I'd have to agree with you. I was going to run Pocono today but had >> other things to do and was glad I didn't. >> No offence to anyone in the RAS races but seems from the comments that a >lot >> of you don't really understand NASCAR. Once you get off the big banked >> tracks there is a LOT more to the game than trying to run flat out all the >> time. >> Hopefully things improve and I can make a race sometime with you guys. >> >> "Tom Pabst" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >> news:gD6u8.10151$[email hidden]... >> > Sounds to me like a lot of you today found out there's a whole lot more >to >> > NASCAR racing, than just turning in some quick laps during practice - >then >> > running solo until the race end. That's typical GPL - not NASCAR >racing. >> > Also, knowing the "official" NASCAR rules along with the "driver agreed" >> > un-official NASCAR rules is a key to racing in NASCAR. >> > >> > How many people would play golf with you, if every time you hit your >ball >> > out of bounds, your opponent got the two-stroke penalty? Well, it may >not >> > work that way in golf....but in NASCAR racing it does! When you screw >up, >> > usually you and one or two of your competitors "pay the penalty." Maybe >> > more! >> > >> > I think I'll stay out of these RAS races for a while, until the >"kiddies" >> > learn the rules, and how to race under them. ...lol... >> > >> > TP >> > >> > >> > >> > "EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >> > news:[email hidden]... >> > > In article <[email hidden]>, John >> > Simmons >> > > <[email hidden]> writes: >> > > >> > > >7 cautions for 27 laps... >> > > >> > > Ooh, that was depressing. My car didn't load, and no one else had my >> > number. >> > > I was *supposed* to be driving Ryan Newman's #12. It worked fine LAST >> > week, >> > > but not today. Didn't change a THING. Slower than everyone in the >> field >> > AGAIN >> > > during practice. This is getting monotonous. Started almost last, >> ahead >> > of a >> > > couple of cars that didn't get a qual effort. During the second >> caution, >> > I got >> > > hit from behind on the pace lap and damaged. Thought I would be given >> the >> > > black flag for speeding on pit road, so I drove through the pits on >the >> > > restart. Third caution, I got caught out when everyone slowed down >> right >> > when >> > > the flag dropped. I passed a car, and got a black flag for passing on >> the >> > left >> > > before the s/f line. That's a stupid fucking rule, IMO. Come in to >> serve >> > the >> > > penalty, get out about 12 seconds ahead of the leader(Achim). He's >> > catching me >> > > at about 3-4 seconds per lap. Another yellow comes out when he's >about >> 3 >> > > seconds behind. Cool - I can make up my lap. Surely he won't force >the >> > issue >> > > and lap me. Wrong - he got me coming out of turn 3 to put me a lap >> down. >> > All >> > > this within at MOST 15 laps. At that point, it wasn't even worth the >> > effort to >> > > continue. I pulled off the track and quit. I was so pissed that I >> didn't >> > even >> > > bother to run at Charlotte. At least I hope *someone* had fun today - >> it >> > sure >> > > in hell wasn't me... :( >> > > >> > > Eldred >> > > -- >> > > Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett >> > > GPLRank - under construction... >> > > >> > > Can the Detroit Tigers match the Detroit Lions' blazing 2001 start of >> > 0-12??? >> > > Currently at 0-9 as of April12th...stay tuned... >> > > Remove SPAM-OFF to reply. >> > >> > >> >> > >

Exactlly John, thanks. Btw, my comments about Pocono are not meant as a slam on anyone; it's to be expected. Whole idea is to have fun, and for those new to Nascar sims, to learn, which will make things more fun for them. -John "John Simmons" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> I think some of us have lost track of what this is all about. We're not > racing for points, there's no money oinvolved, and unless you reall give > a rat's ass about rankings and the much idolized LPI, they're not a > factor either. > > We're just a bunch of guys that have managed to form a unique little > band of racers who only want a chance to race clean once in a while. We > don't have to worry aboput intentional wrecking, jump-starters, or many > of the other typically moronic moves we see in pickup races. I for one > am damn glad of that. > > The fact that I've raced with many of you before (either Nascar or GPL) > is an added bonus because there's a certain amount of rib-jabbing and > good-natured criticism that we can all give/take from one another > without going over the edge into an all-out fame fest. Unlike the > pickuip races, most of our cautions are caused by "one of them racin' > deals". > > To Eldred - keep trying and don't quit the races. Avoiding being hit is > as important as avoiding hitting someone. Besides, you're not always > gonna be the slowest in practice. > > To Tom - we need you there simply because you're a good teacher. Your > lofty ideals are to be commended, but you gotta give the rest of us a > little latitude where mistakes are concerned. They're simply gonna > happen. > > To John Pancoast and Achim - Slow the f*ck down and let the rest of us > keep up so we can at least have the illusion of being competitive. :) > > C'mon guys, it's just a game, and I don't know about the rest of you, > but I'm here to have fun. Run the complete race no matter how bored you > are - we ALL need the track time in a controlled environment like > Eldred's server (and many thanks to Eldred for running it). > > > -- > ========================================================= > Redneck Techno-Biker & "programming deity" > http://www.paddedwall.org/john > > DeMONS/1 for Nascar Racing 3 & Nascar Legends > http://www.paddedwall.org/demons > > DeMONS/2 for Nascar Racing 4 and 2002 Season (in development) > http://www.paddedwall.org/demons2 > > Barbarian Diecast Collector (460+ cars and counting) > http://www.paddedwall.org/diecast > > If you want to send me email, go to the first URL shown > above & click "Send Me Mail" in the contents frame. > =========================================================

That's correct Achim..........cars line up via position, and since at the time Eldred was further down the order than you, he would have lined up behind you on the restart. If you're in first, the only time someone will line up in front of you is if you pit, though there may be lapped cars to your inside. -John "Joachim Trensz" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:a9bnc2$1t2nm$[email hidden]...

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> Hi Eldred, > > apologies for taking the lap from you at that point. > > I'd actually decided to stay behind you to let you remain on the lead lap. > But then you seemed to get into trouble in T3, ran wide and slowed down > considerably (did you hit the wall?), and that sort of made me think it > would be strategically better for my own direct battle with JohnP to not > have to deal with passing you after the restart. > > It was a split-second decision. I'm a rookie on ovals, and I wasn't aware > that apparently (as I deduce from what you said in your message) you would > have been allowed to pass the pacecar and line up at the end of the field. > > Sorry again. > > Achim > > > > "EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > ... > > ...about 12 seconds ahead of the leader(Achim). He's catching me > > at about 3-4 seconds per lap. Another yellow comes out when he's about

3 > > seconds behind. Cool - I can make up my lap. Surely he won't force the > issue > > and lap me. Wrong - he got me coming out of turn 3 to put me a lapdown. > >

I've had a good time racing with this group so far and I'm learning a few things as well. For me this is a chance to enjoy racing these cars with some racers that respect each other and try to race clean. There is no pressure to do anything but do the best race you can. What could be better than that? I'll try and have a car painted by next week. Steve Brunt (spark18)

"John Simmons" wrote: > We're just a bunch of guys that have managed to form a unique little > band of racers who only want a chance to race clean once in a while. We > don't have to worry aboput intentional wrecking, jump-starters, or many > of the other typically moronic moves we see in pickup races. I for one > am damn glad of that. Spot on John. I think there are several like me on RAS - relative newcomers to stock car racing who recognise that N2002 really is at the top of the current sims, and is an all round top performer. Now I wouldn't describe myself as a Nascar fan per se, but I do recognise the subleties of it, and participating is fun (where as for me watching real races isn't particularly). Inevitably there is a lot to learn, but that is part of the experience. Rascar seems an excellent place to learn without pissing off serious racers in leagues. For those unaware John ran one of the first GPL leagues which had a big disparity in ablity. The league was a great success and the performances of all were recognised both at the front & the back of the grid.

Eldred wrote: > At that point, it wasn't even worth the effort to > continue. I pulled off the track and quit. I was so pissed that I didn'teven > bother to run at Charlotte. At least I hope *someone* had fun today - it sure > in hell wasn't me... :( Sorry you felt that way, Eldred. Shame you didn't hang around as we can have fun racing even if laps apart. The performance is very variable throughout the green periods as gplers like ZZ & me cook our tyres to death. Jan & I had some good battles at Charlotte as our performaces varied. I find I tend to overdo giving room for leaders and either lose time or slide up to the wall. All part of gaining experience I suppose. I would rather be doing that than taking the leaders out though! As I learn I will be able to give enough room without killing my own chances. Heck, I might not even be lapped so much ;-) Thanks for hosting from me as well. Tony

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> I'd actually also like to apologise for bailing out. But all those yellows > were more than my patience could take. > > I was still feeling ill (had had a bad stomach/intestinal virus this week) > and with the race taking so long, going back to the sofa seemed like an > incredibly attractive option more and more with every new lap under yellow. > Apologies, guys!

No commitment Joachim! Remember when Mansell won Michigan with a migraine. They were giving him paracetamol in his drinks bottle, and he was sick with about 25 laps to go. Can't have much fun for the poor girl giving him a kiss on the winner's rostrum! Though I guess we shouldn't take Rascar *this* seriously :-) Cheers Tony

In article <a9c545$1u3mb$[email hidden]>, [email hidden] says... > Well said John. > > I agree with you on all but two aspects > > 1. I will not slow down if I can avoid it ;-) Damn! :) > 2. None of us needs TP to teach us about racing. There's a lot of more > qualified guys for that here in RAS who can teach me all I need to know > about Nascar, and Eldred is the first who comes to mind. > Well, I think we can all learn from each other, and since Tom does real racing, I think he has quite a bit to teach us. I did real racing for a while too, but in a different class of cars and under very different circumstances. As a matter of fact, we ALL have something to teach each other. I didn't see Tom's post as being snobby, but more as an act of self preservation due to perceived performance issues for the rest of us. Tom is free to feel that way if he chooses, but I think he's gonna miss out on some pretty good races. As for me... Even I have to say that I'm a bit apprehensive about racing with guys that aren't used to stockcar racing, but hey, it's just a game. Sure I was mad at my last incident last night, but I was just mad about my bad luck. I had gotten the car loose coming off the last turn and had finessed it into what I thought was gonna be a great save, when Steve nudged me (surely not his own fault because I had lost speed trying to save the car, and he was going to pass me low), and I spun into the pits as a result. Thankfully, I was slowed enough that I didn't get a black flag for speeding on pitroad, but I was penalized for entering a closed pit (grrrr). I had to fall to the end of the line on the next restart, and I lost some aero because my hood was pushed up a moderate amount. At the last restart (lap 49) I lost two spots because my aero problems kept me from getting up to speed enough to hold of dave, and as we came around the last turn, ed white had the aero advantage as we raced back to the finish line. It would have been very bad form to block weither one of them (and besides, this is called "racing", not "blocking". I don't believe in blocking, even on the last lap. And here's a perfect example of why you should never quit a race. There was some great racing going on in the back of the field, and if you quit without saving the replay, you missed a good chance to see what was going on. So where's the next race(s)? :) -- ========================================================= Redneck Techno-Biker & "programming deity" http://www.paddedwall.org/john DeMONS/1 for Nascar Racing 3 & Nascar Legends http://www.paddedwall.org/demons DeMONS/2 for Nascar Racing 4 and 2002 Season (in development) http://www.paddedwall.org/demons2 Barbarian Diecast Collector (460+ cars and counting) http://www.paddedwall.org/diecast If you want to send me email, go to the first URL shown above & click "Send Me Mail" in the contents frame. =========================================================

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> "Joachim Trensz" > > > I'd actually also like to apologise for bailing out. But all those yellows > > were more than my patience could take. > > > > I was still feeling ill (had had a bad stomach/intestinal virus this week) > > and with the race taking so long, going back to the sofa seemed like an > > incredibly attractive option more and more with every new lap under yellow. > > Apologies, guys! > > No commitment Joachim! > > Remember when Mansell won Michigan with a migraine. They were giving him > paracetamol in his drinks bottle, and he was sick with about 25 laps to go. > Can't have much fun for the poor girl giving him a kiss on the winner's rostrum! > > Though I guess we shouldn't take Rascar *this* seriously :-) >

How about this? I spent the WHOLE day doing yard work in 90-degree heat. I have 3/4 acre in south Texas, and I (naturally) have a riding lawnmower. I had half the front yard done, and had to get off the mower to clear some tree limbs that had been blown off by the previous rotten weather we'd had. When I went to get back on the mower, it wouldn't start (dead battery). I couldn't leave to go get a new battery because I was also waiting on our quarterly visit from the pest control company, so I ended up using an electric weed whacker to mow the orther half of the front lawn. After that, I had to pick up the clean up all that crap (rake up the mowed grass, and bag it) and the longer I worked, the worse I felt. Allergies, the heat, and the fact that all this physical activity was not in tune with my otherwise sedantary lifestyle made for one draggin'- ass redneck. I was bone tired and my allergies had fully kicked in by the time the race started. Notice however, that I finished the race. Tony knows that I feel there's is NO excuse to just quit - if you show up for practice, you should be there when the race is over (unless your car just plain isn't drivable and cannot be fixed). :) -- ========================================================= Redneck Techno-Biker & "programming deity" http://www.paddedwall.org/john DeMONS/1 for Nascar Racing 3 & Nascar Legends http://www.paddedwall.org/demons DeMONS/2 for Nascar Racing 4 and 2002 Season (in development) http://www.paddedwall.org/demons2 Barbarian Diecast Collector (460+ cars and counting) http://www.paddedwall.org/diecast If you want to send me email, go to the first URL shown above & click "Send Me Mail" in the contents frame. =========================================================

It had nothing to do with the driver, Eldred. Just imagine what I saw in this moment: a car which all of a sudden had lost half a lap, was driving fairly slow and then seemed to get into trouble again although there was no need to hurry. Since I didn't know anything about your pitlane odyssey and all that, my first thought was of course that you'd had an off and seemed to be in trouble somehow, maybe because of damage to the car, controller probs, computers probs - or anything else. That neither mattered nor did I have the time to think this through in much detail - I reacted spontaneously. My assessment had nothing to do with the driver, only with the circumstances as I could see them at that time. Achim "EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> In article <a9bnc2$1t2nm$[email hidden]>, "Joachim Trensz" > <[email hidden]> writes: > > >Hi Eldred, > > > >apologies for taking the lap from you at that point. > > > >I'd actually decided to stay behind you to let you remain on the lead

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> >But then you seemed to get into trouble in T3, ran wide and slowed down > >considerably (did you hit the wall?), and that sort of made me think it > >would be strategically better for my own direct battle with JohnP to not > >have to deal with passing you after the restart. > > > > In other words, you didn't trust me restarting in front of you. That

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> feel worse... > > Eldred > -- > Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett > GPLRank - under construction... > > Can the Detroit Tigers match the Detroit Lions' blazing 2001 start of

0-12??? > Currently at 0-10 as of April13th...stay tuned... > Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

hehe, yes indeed <g> Achim "ZZ Busch" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:z9eu8.64049$[email hidden]... > Tom, that was a silly thing to say. I think you have to do some catchingup

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> on some of the 'driver agreed' rules, too. > > Achim > > At least it wasn't a 10 page diatribe!! LOL > > ZZ > >

Tony... I wasn't insulting you guys....I was just "bustin' your balls" a little bit. Sometimes, that doesn't work very well on newsgroup posts....sometimes you don't write it very well and it "reads" different than you intended. There is a "...lol...." at the end, however. But that doesn't always work either....as I've found. I totally understand what you guys are going through....and trying to do. I also will participate with you guys as much as I can. That wasn't possible yesterday. I apologize to you, Tony.....and anyone else who took what I said as "insulting." It was not my intention when I was writing it. Tom "Tony Rickard" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:jUbu8.2146$[email hidden]...

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> > Sounds to me like a lot of you today found out there's a whole lot > > more to NASCAR racing, than just turning in some quick laps during > > practice > > Sounds to me like you are insulting our intelligence. > > If learning to race in Nascar was achieved by reading text books then we > wouldn't need the term "Rookie" > > How many yesterday thought Nascar racing was about turning in quick laps

in > solo? - er none. > > > I think I'll stay out of these RAS races for a while, until the"kiddies" > > learn the rules, and how to race under them. ...lol... > > Fair enough Tom, but some of the "kiddies" like me learnt more from the > experienced online Nascar drivers last night than any amount of pickupraces. I > am surprised you don't feel you have anything to offer. > > It was my first experience ever of on-line yellow flags for instance - had > plenty of practice mind :-) > > I would rather do that with a known bunch and it sure is different fromracing

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> the AI. > > After all isn't this what RAS is all about - helping each other out? > > Tony > >

Well said John. I agree with you on all but two aspects 1. I will not slow down if I can avoid it ;-) 2. None of us needs TP to teach us about racing. There's a lot of more qualified guys for that here in RAS who can teach me all I need to know about Nascar, and Eldred is the first who comes to mind. Achim "John Simmons" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> I think some of us have lost track of what this is all about. We're not > racing for points, there's no money oinvolved, and unless you reall give > a rat's ass about rankings and the much idolized LPI, they're not a > factor either. > > We're just a bunch of guys that have managed to form a unique little > band of racers who only want a chance to race clean once in a while. We > don't have to worry aboput intentional wrecking, jump-starters, or many > of the other typically moronic moves we see in pickup races. I for one > am damn glad of that. > > The fact that I've raced with many of you before (either Nascar or GPL) > is an added bonus because there's a certain amount of rib-jabbing and > good-natured criticism that we can all give/take from one another > without going over the edge into an all-out fame fest. Unlike the > pickuip races, most of our cautions are caused by "one of them racin' > deals". > > To Eldred - keep trying and don't quit the races. Avoiding being hit is > as important as avoiding hitting someone. Besides, you're not always > gonna be the slowest in practice. > > To Tom - we need you there simply because you're a good teacher. Your > lofty ideals are to be commended, but you gotta give the rest of us a > little latitude where mistakes are concerned. They're simply gonna > happen. > > To John Pancoast and Achim - Slow the f*ck down and let the rest of us > keep up so we can at least have the illusion of being competitive. :) > > C'mon guys, it's just a game, and I don't know about the rest of you, > but I'm here to have fun. Run the complete race no matter how bored you > are - we ALL need the track time in a controlled environment like > Eldred's server (and many thanks to Eldred for running it).

Yeah, well, my family given a LOT to let me online race and run a league over the years. So if I get in a "bad" race, I bail, especially since I come home from work on Saturday, and almost go straight to the pc. Bailed yesterday, I'll do it again in the future, fwiw, not just here, but elsewhere too, when it's not a points, etc. event. Racing is one thing; following a pace car is another. I've never, and won't, bail because of a moderately damaged car, can't win/finish well, etc. But when over 50% of the race is under yellow like yesterday, I'm gone<G> Like it's been said, it's just a game; some real world things are more important to me in the above circumstances. -John "John Simmons" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > In article <fkhu8.2626$[email hidden]>, > [email hidden] says...I guess we shouldn't take Rascar *this* seriously :-)

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> > > > How about this? I spent the WHOLE day doing yard work in 90-degree > heat. I have 3/4 acre in south Texas, and I (naturally) have a riding > lawnmower. I had half the front yard done, and had to get off the mower > to clear some tree limbs that had been blown off by the previous rotten > weather we'd had. When I went to get back on the mower, it wouldn't > start (dead battery). > > I couldn't leave to go get a new battery because I was also waiting on > our quarterly visit from the pest control company, so I ended up using > an electric weed whacker to mow the orther half of the front lawn. > After that, I had to pick up the clean up all that crap (rake up the > mowed grass, and bag it) and the longer I worked, the worse I felt. > > Allergies, the heat, and the fact that all this physical activity was > not in tune with my otherwise sedantary lifestyle made for one draggin'- > ass redneck. I was bone tired and my allergies had fully kicked in by > the time the race started. > > Notice however, that I finished the race. Tony knows that I feel there's > is NO excuse to just quit - if you show up for practice, you should be > there when the race is over (unless your car just plain isn't drivable > and cannot be fixed). :) > > -- > ========================================================= > Redneck Techno-Biker & "programming deity" > http://www.paddedwall.org/john > > DeMONS/1 for Nascar Racing 3 & Nascar Legends > http://www.paddedwall.org/demons > > DeMONS/2 for Nascar Racing 4 and 2002 Season (in development) > http://www.paddedwall.org/demons2 > > Barbarian Diecast Collector (460+ cars and counting) > http://www.paddedwall.org/diecast > > If you want to send me email, go to the first URL shown > above & click "Send Me Mail" in the contents frame. > =========================================================

I'd actually also like to apologise for bailing out. But all those yellows were more than my patience could take. I was still feeling ill (had had a bad stomach/intestinal virus this week) and with the race taking so long, going back to the sofa seemed like an incredibly attractive option more and more with every new lap under yellow. Apologies, guys! Achim "John Pancoast" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Yep. Sorry for bailing, but in those kind of conditions, got otherthings > to do :) > > -John

Thanks for the info John. Achim "John Pancoast" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > That's correct Achim..........cars line up via position, and since atthe > time Eldred was further down the order than you, he would have lined up > behind you on the restart. > If you're in first, the only time someone will line up in front of youis

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> if you pit, though there may be lapped cars to your inside. > > -John > > > "Joachim Trensz" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:a9bnc2$1t2nm$[email hidden]... > > Hi Eldred, > > > > apologies for taking the lap from you at that point. > > > > I'd actually decided to stay behind you to let you remain on the lead

lap. > > But then you seemed to get into trouble in T3, ran wide and slowed down > > considerably (did you hit the wall?), and that sort of made me think it > > would be strategically better for my own direct battle with JohnP to not > > have to deal with passing you after the restart. > > > > It was a split-second decision. I'm a rookie on ovals, and I wasn'taware > > that apparently (as I deduce from what you said in your message) youwould > > have been allowed to pass the pacecar and line up at the end of thefield.

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> > > > Sorry again. > > > > Achim > > > > > > > > "EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:[email hidden]... > > ... > > > ...about 12 seconds ahead of the leader(Achim). He's catching me > > > at about 3-4 seconds per lap. Another yellow comes out when he's

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> > issue > > > and lap me. Wrong - he got me coming out of turn 3 to put me a lap > down. > > > > > >

> I apologize to you, Tony.....and anyone else who took what I said as > "insulting." It was not my intention when I was writing it. > > Tom Thanks Tom I guess I should be flattered at being called a "kiddie". I turn 40 this year On reflection I am sure you did not intend to insult anyone - it just came across that way - you do have a distinctive style! Cheers Tony

:-) Achim "Tony Rickard" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:fkhu8.2626$[email hidden]... > "Joachim Trensz" > > > I'd actually also like to apologise for bailing out. But all thoseyellows > > were more than my patience could take. > > > > I was still feeling ill (had had a bad stomach/intestinal virus thisweek) > > and with the race taking so long, going back to the sofa seemed like an > > incredibly attractive option more and more with every new lap underyellow. > > Apologies, guys! > > No commitment Joachim! > > Remember when Mansell won Michigan with a migraine. They were giving him > paracetamol in his drinks bottle, and he was sick with about 25 laps togo. > Can't have much fun for the poor girl giving him a kiss on the winner'srostrum!

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> > Though I guess we shouldn't take Rascar *this* seriously :-) > > Cheers > > Tony > >

Hi John, > ...since Tom does real racing, I think > he has quite a bit to teach us I haven't seen anything that would make me share that view <g> > Even I have to say that I'm a bit apprehensive about racing > with guys that aren't used to stockcar racing The way I've always seen Nascar from the outside is that one of the nice aspects about it is that it's not a bunch of primadonnas, but a bunch of regular, serious guys. Arrogance is mediocre. Especially if it's based on the simple fact that you've done something longer than someone else (and you're still not any better at it than they are ;-) > I didn't see Tom's post as being snobby, but more as an > act of self preservation due to perceived performance > issues for the rest of us. This is the first time a race did not go so well, after all the others that went super-smooth (a 5:1 ratio, and the first 2 were even 50%). I think the question arises whose performance he's really worried about ;-) > And here's a perfect example of why you should never quit a race... You can save the replay even when you quite the race ;-) Achim

"John Pancoast" wrote... > Not sure what you mena here Jan; a warping car ? Yep, Isotrip in the #53 dissappeared in the run up to the tunnel. Things were bunching up ahead, but I felt I couldn't use up the space between myself and the others to compemsate and keep my speed up because at any time the #53 could rematerialise and cause a mess if it was superimposed on my car. So I slowed too and Phil jammed me into the wall (and, because he kept moving, his LPI remained intact... grrrrr!! ;-)). Just looking for Tom's wisdom on how being more clued up about the unwritten rules of NASCAR could have prevented that one. Jan. =---

persistence can be a virtue - or a little whacko ;-) Achim "John Simmons" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > In article <fkhu8.2626$[email hidden]>, > [email hidden] says... > > "Joachim Trensz" > > > > > I'd actually also like to apologise for bailing out. But all thoseyellows > > > were more than my patience could take. > > > > > > I was still feeling ill (had had a bad stomach/intestinal virus thisweek) > > > and with the race taking so long, going back to the sofa seemed likean > > > incredibly attractive option more and more with every new lap underyellow. > > > Apologies, guys! > > > > No commitment Joachim! > > > > Remember when Mansell won Michigan with a migraine. They were giving him > > paracetamol in his drinks bottle, and he was sick with about 25 laps togo. > > Can't have much fun for the poor girl giving him a kiss on the winner'srostrum!

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> > > > Though I guess we shouldn't take Rascar *this* seriously :-) > > > > How about this? I spent the WHOLE day doing yard work in 90-degree > heat. I have 3/4 acre in south Texas, and I (naturally) have a riding > lawnmower. I had half the front yard done, and had to get off the mower > to clear some tree limbs that had been blown off by the previous rotten > weather we'd had. When I went to get back on the mower, it wouldn't > start (dead battery). > > I couldn't leave to go get a new battery because I was also waiting on > our quarterly visit from the pest control company, so I ended up using > an electric weed whacker to mow the orther half of the front lawn. > After that, I had to pick up the clean up all that crap (rake up the > mowed grass, and bag it) and the longer I worked, the worse I felt. > > Allergies, the heat, and the fact that all this physical activity was > not in tune with my otherwise sedantary lifestyle made for one draggin'- > ass redneck. I was bone tired and my allergies had fully kicked in by > the time the race started. > > Notice however, that I finished the race. Tony knows that I feel there's > is NO excuse to just quit - if you show up for practice, you should be > there when the race is over (unless your car just plain isn't drivable > and cannot be fixed). :) > > -- > ========================================================= > Redneck Techno-Biker & "programming deity" > http://www.paddedwall.org/john > > DeMONS/1 for Nascar Racing 3 & Nascar Legends > http://www.paddedwall.org/demons > > DeMONS/2 for Nascar Racing 4 and 2002 Season (in development) > http://www.paddedwall.org/demons2 > > Barbarian Diecast Collector (460+ cars and counting) > http://www.paddedwall.org/diecast > > If you want to send me email, go to the first URL shown > above & click "Send Me Mail" in the contents frame. > =========================================================

Lol, gotcha, good one :) -John "Jan Verschueren" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > "John Pancoast" wrote... > > Not sure what you mena here Jan; a warping car ? > > Yep, Isotrip in the #53 dissappeared in the run up to the tunnel. Things > were bunching up ahead, but I felt I couldn't use up the space between > myself and the others to compemsate and keep my speed up because at anytime > the #53 could rematerialise and cause a mess if it was superimposed on my > car. So I slowed too and Phil jammed me into the wall (and, because hekept > moving, his LPI remained intact... grrrrr!! ;-)). > > Just looking for Tom's wisdom on how being more clued up about theunwritten > rules of NASCAR could have prevented that one. > > Jan. > =--- > >

Lol, gotcha, good one :) -John

Jan, no rules on this one, the internet is a flaky place to race, my thoughts are that if you and the invisible racer are both going as hard as you can, and following your normal lines, then a second or two blink-out won't cause much of a problem, he'll probably blink-in in the same relative position, but any longer than that, and you have to assume he's gone( and if he's not, he should be.....courtesy), so I would say "When in doubt, Gas It!" Ed "Jan Verschueren" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > "John Pancoast" wrote... > > Not sure what you mena here Jan; a warping car ? > > Yep, Isotrip in the #53 dissappeared in the run up to the tunnel. Things > were bunching up ahead, but I felt I couldn't use up the space between > myself and the others to compemsate and keep my speed up because at anytime > the #53 could rematerialise and cause a mess if it was superimposed on my > car. So I slowed too and Phil jammed me into the wall (and, because hekept > moving, his LPI remained intact... grrrrr!! ;-)). > > Just looking for Tom's wisdom on how being more clued up about theunwritten > rules of NASCAR could have prevented that one. > > Jan. > =--- > >

> > Thats what it seemed like from my seat. I did check up for David. Asthey > > say, I guess it's one of them Nascar racing deals. It comes from racing > > close together. No reaction time, I guess. > > What does "check up" mean? Does it mean braking early? I have no idea. I > wasn't into the wall at all though (as can be seen from the helicopterview) Hehe...on my replay, if I go to your in-car camera, I hear the wall scraping noise for most of your braking into T3...I guess you were close enough to trigger the sound on my replay even though you weren't into the wall...that's close. :) -Phasor

"Phasor" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:19mu8.33734$[email hidden]... > > > Thats what it seemed like from my seat. I did check up for David. As > they > > > say, I guess it's one of them Nascar racing deals. It comes fromracing

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> > > close together. No reaction time, I guess. > > > > What does "check up" mean? Does it mean braking early? I have no idea. I > > wasn't into the wall at all though (as can be seen from the helicopter > view) > > Hehe...on my replay, if I go to your in-car camera, I hear the wall

scraping > noise for most of your braking into T3...I guess you were close enough to > trigger the sound on my replay even though you weren't into the > wall...that's close. :) About a foot and a half from it. I guess that's pretty close. :-) I guess the info sent to you guys was a little off. I've clipped that part of the replay to send to you, but I don't think Bush would be interested. :-) David G Fisher

In article <a9c544$1u3mb$[email hidden]>, "Joachim Trensz" <[email hidden]> writes: >It had nothing to do with the driver, Eldred. Just imagine what I saw in >this moment: > >a car which all of a sudden had lost half a lap, was driving fairly slow and >then seemed to get into trouble again although there was no need to hurry. Fairly slow? I was pedalling as fast as I could - and just barely hanging on...<g> No worries, Achim - I just need to find more speed. Eldred -- Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPLRank - under construction... Can the Detroit Tigers match the Detroit Lions' blazing 2001 start of 0-12??? Currently at 0-11 as of April14th...stay tuned...one more to tie Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

In article <[email hidden]>, "Jan Verschueren" <[email hidden]> writes: >Unfortunately people further up the order insisted on >having accidents, pitting and ending up behind me. Fed up with being forced >off line by cars much faster than myself Sounds like my GPL career... Eldred -- Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPLRank - under construction... Can the Detroit Tigers match the Detroit Lions' blazing 2001 start of 0-12??? Currently at 0-11 as of April14th...stay tuned...one more to tie Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

In article <[email hidden]>, John Simmons <[email hidden]> writes: >To Eldred - keep trying and don't quit the races. Avoiding being hit is >as important as avoiding hitting someone. Besides, you're not always >gonna be the slowest in practice. As I aluded to in my other reply - I don't have the confidence right now that I *won't* take someone else out. I'm one of those drivers who would rather end my own race by taking it off the track than crash into someone else. >C'mon guys, it's just a game, and I don't know about the rest of you, >but I'm here to have fun. Run the complete race no matter how bored you >are - we ALL need the track time in a controlled environment like >Eldred's server (and many thanks to Eldred for running it). You're welcome. -- Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPLRank - under construction... Can the Detroit Tigers match the Detroit Lions' blazing 2001 start of 0-12??? Currently at 0-11 as of April14th...stay tuned...one more to tie Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

In article <[email hidden]>, John Simmons <[email hidden]> writes:

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>> In other words, you didn't trust me restarting in front of you. That makes >me >> feel worse... >> > >I think he was actually saying that he had a choice - be a nice guy and >let you stay on the lead lap, or keep 1st place. The choice was >(logically) to keep 1st place. >

Nah, he would have been in first place anyway. I'm not mad at Achim - he's a racer. I'm mad at MYSELF for being so damned slow to be there in the FIRST place. >Eldred, I think you're taking this too hard dude. I'm almost NEVER the >fastest in practice (usually middle of the pack), but pracftice isn't >where it counts. What counts is how clean you race and that you DON'T >QUIT. > I'm simply not very fast in N2002. Last in practice, last in the race. At least this time I didn't bring out the first caution. I've caused the first caution in probably 3 out of 5 races I've been in - solo crash. I don't *think* I've affected anyone else when I crashed, but it still pissed me off.

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>If you can keep out of trouble and pit smart, you can usually eek out a >better position than you originally thought you would. If your race >ends with you driving something that looks anything like a car, so what? >As long as you make a decent effort to stay out of the way of the rest >of the field, you finished, and that's all that counts. I have only >quite a couple of races and that was because the connection degraded >after I joined it.

Let's just say that I'm doubting my ability to keep from ruining the race for someone else. Right now, I feel like 'King Hiro - that's NOT a good feeling to have.

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> >Nobody's gonna think any less of you for finishing poorly. What we >notice is how you drive while you're on the track. I think you should >just have fun and race, get a feel for the way the cars react in certain >situations, and put in a couple of practice races against the AI (set >them at 94%). When you can keep up with them at that rate, you'll be >going at least as fast as I am.

I can't. I'm having trouble staying with the AI even at 80-85%. Even if I do happen to be faster than the AI, I usually eff it up somewhere. That's MY lack of skill, and I can't blame anyone one or anything else for my shortcomings. Shit happens...daily. Eldred -- Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPLRank - under construction... Can the Detroit Tigers match the Detroit Lions' blazing 2001 start of 0-12??? Currently at 0-11 as of April14th...stay tuned...one more to tie Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

FWIW, I don't remember even once being affected negatively by anything you did. I don't even think I've seen you do anything to anyone else that raised an eyebrow. David G Fisher > Let's just say that I'm doubting my ability to keep from ruining the racefor > someone else. Right now, I feel like 'King Hiro - that's NOT a goodfeeling to > have.

Might of just been a bad day for your internet connection. I practiced with you at Pocono on Eldred's server earlier in the week and you weren't warping at all then. David G Fisher "Greg31" <greg31@.NOSPAM.com> wrote in message news:Iugu8.29671$[email hidden]... > I am stumped as to why I was warping in the Charlotte race...what a bummer > after other obligations caused me to miss the Pocono race, I was looking > forward to Charlotte....I am on a cable connection, and have never before > been told I was "warpy". Oh well it was a nice tight field, would havebeen

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> fun, sorry to anyone that I caused probs for....hopefully I can figure > something out, but as I said it has never been a problem anywhere else. > > -- > Greg31 > > > > David G Fisher wrote in message ... > >Well I'm not sure what comments Tom and you are referring to. Looking

back > >through the replay at some of the incidents at Pocono, there wasn't > anything > >happening that was unique to NASCAR. Some vets made mistakes and alsosome > >new guys. I think two incidents may have been caused by a driver with a > >connection problem. What was annoying was the number of times the pacecar

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> >pulls you around the track when something minor happens. > > > >The other RASCAR races have been very, very clean and fast so far, > including > >the follow up to Pocono at Charlotte. Like Kyle said, a few of us were > >running nose to tail with no room for error for half the race on a very > fast > >and quick track, and the rest of the field was clean since we only had

two > >cautions in 84 laps, one caused by a warping driver who politley > >disconnected when he realized what was happening. > > > >Also, there are plenty of wrecks in a real NASCAR race from what I'veseen > >over the years. Those wrecks are actually a big reason many fans watchthe

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> >races. > > > >IMO, NASCAR sim racing certainly isn't as hard as F1.There hasn't been > >anything really difficult to understand either in driving technique or > rules > >that I've come across since I bought N2002. > > > >David G Fisher > > > >"Schooner" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > >news:ffdu8.16328$[email hidden]... > >> Tom, I'd have to agree with you. I was going to run Pocono today but

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> >lot > >> of you don't really understand NASCAR. Once you get off the big banked > >> tracks there is a LOT more to the game than trying to run flat out all > the > >> time. > >> Hopefully things improve and I can make a race sometime with you guys. > >> > >> "Tom Pabst" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > >> news:gD6u8.10151$[email hidden]... > >> > Sounds to me like a lot of you today found out there's a whole lot

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> >to > >> > NASCAR racing, than just turning in some quick laps during practice - > >then > >> > running solo until the race end. That's typical GPL - not NASCAR > >racing. > >> > Also, knowing the "official" NASCAR rules along with the "driver > agreed" > >> > un-official NASCAR rules is a key to racing in NASCAR. > >> > > >> > How many people would play golf with you, if every time you hit your > >ball > >> > out of bounds, your opponent got the two-stroke penalty? Well, it

may > >not > >> > work that way in golf....but in NASCAR racing it does! When youscrew

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> >up, > >> > usually you and one or two of your competitors "pay the penalty." > Maybe > >> > more! > >> > > >> > I think I'll stay out of these RAS races for a while, until the > >"kiddies" > >> > learn the rules, and how to race under them. ...lol... > >> > > >> > TP > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > "EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > >> > news:[email hidden]... > >> > > In article <[email hidden]>,

John > >> > Simmons > >> > > <[email hidden]> writes: > >> > > > >> > > >7 cautions for 27 laps... > >> > > > >> > > Ooh, that was depressing. My car didn't load, and no one else hadmy

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> >> > number. > >> > > I was *supposed* to be driving Ryan Newman's #12. It worked fine > LAST > >> > week, > >> > > but not today. Didn't change a THING. Slower than everyone in the > >> field > >> > AGAIN > >> > > during practice. This is getting monotonous. Started almost last, > >> ahead > >> > of a > >> > > couple of cars that didn't get a qual effort. During the second > >> caution, > >> > I got > >> > > hit from behind on the pace lap and damaged. Thought I would be > given > >> the > >> > > black flag for speeding on pit road, so I drove through the pits on > >the > >> > > restart. Third caution, I got caught out when everyone slowed down > >> right > >> > when > >> > > the flag dropped. I passed a car, and got a black flag for passing > on > >> the > >> > left > >> > > before the s/f line. That's a stupid fucking rule, IMO. Come in

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> >> serve > >> > the > >> > > penalty, get out about 12 seconds ahead of the leader(Achim). He's > >> > catching me > >> > > at about 3-4 seconds per lap. Another yellow comes out when he's > >about > >> 3 > >> > > seconds behind. Cool - I can make up my lap. Surely he won't

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> >> > effort to > >> > > continue. I pulled off the track and quit. I was so pissed that I > >> didn't > >> > even > >> > > bother to run at Charlotte. At least I hope *someone* had fun > today - > >> it > >> > sure > >> > > in hell wasn't me... :( > >> > > > >> > > Eldred > >> > > -- > >> > > Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett > >> > > GPLRank - under construction... > >> > > > >> > > Can the Detroit Tigers match the Detroit Lions' blazing 2001 start > of > >> > 0-12??? > >> > > Currently at 0-9 as of April12th...stay tuned... > >> > > Remove SPAM-OFF to reply. > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > > > > > > >

As soon as I noticed my connection Bar Graph was spiking way high I tried to get my car off of the track as quickly and safely as possible. This entire situation left me feeling very uncomfortable as I had cars ahead of me as well as behind me that I had no way of knowing where they were (would be) located when I would warp back in. I fear that I caused an incident with this entire situation. I hope not but I fear that it is true, as I finally had gotten my car stopped so I could "Retire" and got back to the Session Screen it showed up as everyone racing back to the yellow. If I did cause an incident, then I really do apologize! I can only say that I tried my best to avoid any incident due to this. I have posted about this as well as my apology to the #31 car for an earlier incident in the race, at the RASCAR Forum. Up to this Warp incident I was have a great time, and what I seen around me within the race everyone was racing clean and giving room. So I feel even worse for being the possible cause of a major incident. I may not be the fastest on the track but I do take pride in being a clean racer that is aware of the written and non-written rules of NASCAR, and then something such as this happens. :o( I do plan to race again if I can figure out some way to get some type of broadband connection. At this point the only one availible to me is Via Sattelite, and the Initial cost is a bit out of my price range at the moment. So it very well may be quite some time before I can race again with the RAS group. again sorry! - Isotrip� "Ed White" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:Ahlu8.67843$[email hidden]... > Jan, no rules on this one, the internet is a flaky place to race, my > thoughts are that if you and the invisible racer are both going as hard as > you can, and following your normal lines, then a second or two blink-out > won't cause much of a problem, he'll probably blink-in in the samerelative > position, but any longer than that, and you have to assume he's gone( andif > he's not, he should be.....courtesy), so I would say "When in doubt, Gas > It!" > Ed

Stuff happens, don't worry about it :) You did the right thing once you knew your conn was bad. I had that 10035 error when I had a modem awhile back; never could find a solution except for broadband. -John "Isotrip�" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:3cbabfce$[email hidden]... > As soon as I noticed my connection Bar Graph was spiking way high I triedto

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> get my car off of the track as quickly and safely as possible. This entire > situation left me feeling very uncomfortable as I had cars ahead of me as > well as behind me that I had no way of knowing where they were (would be) > located when I would warp back in. I fear that I caused an incident with > this entire situation. I hope not but I fear that it is true, as I finally > had gotten my car stopped so I could "Retire" and got back to the Session > Screen it showed up as everyone racing back to the yellow. If I did cause

an > incident, then I really do apologize! I can only say that I tried my bestto > avoid any incident due to this. I have posted about this as well as my > apology to the #31 car for an earlier incident in the race, at the RASCAR > Forum. > > Up to this Warp incident I was have a great time, and what I seen aroundme

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> within the race everyone was racing clean and giving room. So I feel even > worse for being the possible cause of a major incident. I may not be the > fastest on the track but I do take pride in being a clean racer that is > aware of the written and non-written rules of NASCAR, and then something > such as this happens. :o( > > I do plan to race again if I can figure out some way to get some type of > broadband connection. At this point the only one availible to me is Via > Sattelite, and the Initial cost is a bit out of my price range at the > moment. So it very well may be quite some time before I can race again

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> the RAS group. > > > again sorry! > > - Isotrip� > > "Ed White" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:Ahlu8.67843$[email hidden]... > > Jan, no rules on this one, the internet is a flaky place to race, my > > thoughts are that if you and the invisible racer are both going as hard

as > > you can, and following your normal lines, then a second or two blink-out > > won't cause much of a problem, he'll probably blink-in in the same > relative > > position, but any longer than that, and you have to assume he's gone(and > if > > he's not, he should be.....courtesy), so I would say "When in doubt, Gas > > It!" > > Ed > >

> I do plan to race again if I can figure out some way to get some type of > broadband connection. At this point the only one availible to me is Via > Sattelite, and the Initial cost is a bit out of my price range at the > moment. So it very well may be quite some time before I can race againwith > the RAS group. > i dont think you can race with satellite

There's some kind of modem optimizing tutorial for GPL somewhere on the web. One of the GPL guys could probably guide you to it. David G Fisher > I do plan to race again if I can figure out some way to get some type of > broadband connection. At this point the only one availible to me is Via > Sattelite, and the Initial cost is a bit out of my price range at the > moment. So it very well may be quite some time before I can race againwith > the RAS group. > > > again sorry! > > - Isotrip�

I forgot to add that some people who have cable actually prefer to use their dial up modems. I think Andre W. does this with GPL. David G Fisher "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:0OGu8.62965$%[email hidden]... > There's some kind of modem optimizing tutorial for GPL somewhere on theweb.

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> One of the GPL guys could probably guide you to it. > > David G Fisher > > > > I do plan to race again if I can figure out some way to get some type of > > broadband connection. At this point the only one availible to me is Via > > Sattelite, and the Initial cost is a bit out of my price range at the > > moment. So it very well may be quite some time before I can race again > with > > the RAS group. > > > > > > again sorry! > > > > - Isotrip� > > > >

> "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:0OGu8.62965$%[email hidden]... > > There's some kind of modem optimizing tutorial for GPL somewhere on the > web. > > One of the GPL guys could probably guide you to it. Alison's site is one of the better ones, I'm sure there are others: http://eaglewoman.simracing.dk/gpl/faq-online.htm

Thanks guys! :o) I actually had done this with N4, and I will try it out with NR2K2 and test it out some in Pick-up races, etc. I will also try to get into eldred's server thru-out the week, if I can find it up. If I am confident that I won't be a "warp wrecker" within the events I will attempt another RAS event. Afterall I just wanna race with something other than the AI!! :o) - Isotrip� "Rob Adams" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:qwIu8.5897$[email hidden]... > > "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:0OGu8.62965$%[email hidden]... > > > There's some kind of modem optimizing tutorial for GPL somewhere onthe

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> > web. > > > One of the GPL guys could probably guide you to it. > > Alison's site is one of the better ones, I'm sure there are others: > > http://eaglewoman.simracing.dk/gpl/faq-online.htm > > >

Hi ISO! I was driving the 31 at Pocono last Sat. I was steamed when we wrecked in T1, but when I checked the replay it was clearly a warping deal. You have no problem with me, my friend. It's one of those online things. Hope to see you this weekend. Jeff P.S. You hit me while warping at Charlotte, too. That was me in the T2 incident. Do you hate me, or what? ; ) "Isotrip�" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:3cbabfce$[email hidden]... > As soon as I noticed my connection Bar Graph was spiking way high I triedto

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> get my car off of the track as quickly and safely as possible. This entire > situation left me feeling very uncomfortable as I had cars ahead of me as > well as behind me that I had no way of knowing where they were (would be) > located when I would warp back in. I fear that I caused an incident with > this entire situation. I hope not but I fear that it is true, as I finally > had gotten my car stopped so I could "Retire" and got back to the Session > Screen it showed up as everyone racing back to the yellow. If I did cause

an > incident, then I really do apologize! I can only say that I tried my bestto > avoid any incident due to this. I have posted about this as well as my > apology to the #31 car for an earlier incident in the race, at the RASCAR > Forum. > > Up to this Warp incident I was have a great time, and what I seen aroundme

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> within the race everyone was racing clean and giving room. So I feel even > worse for being the possible cause of a major incident. I may not be the > fastest on the track but I do take pride in being a clean racer that is > aware of the written and non-written rules of NASCAR, and then something > such as this happens. :o( > > I do plan to race again if I can figure out some way to get some type of > broadband connection. At this point the only one availible to me is Via > Sattelite, and the Initial cost is a bit out of my price range at the > moment. So it very well may be quite some time before I can race again

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> the RAS group. > > > again sorry! > > - Isotrip� > > "Ed White" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:Ahlu8.67843$[email hidden]... > > Jan, no rules on this one, the internet is a flaky place to race, my > > thoughts are that if you and the invisible racer are both going as hard

as > > you can, and following your normal lines, then a second or two blink-out > > won't cause much of a problem, he'll probably blink-in in the same > relative > > position, but any longer than that, and you have to assume he's gone(and > if > > he's not, he should be.....courtesy), so I would say "When in doubt, Gas > > It!" > > Ed > >

Uhhh...that was me apparently warping at Charlotte Jeff, I had posted in this same thread last week apologizing for the warp, (I am on cable btw), maybe you didnt see that post. Hadnt ever had probs in the past, it just chose a great field to start warping in...again sorry if I took you with me. Perhaps if we could mention in practice if we see someone warping on track, they can try to reconnect to get a better ping? That way me/them/whoever can know about it before getting into a situation where we "endanger" other cars in race mode? Not to mention the waste of time.....just a suggestion FWIW <G> -- Greg31 Jeff Leonard wrote in message ... > >P.S. You hit me while warping at Charlotte, too. That was me in the T2 >incident. Do you hate me, or what? ; )

Jeff, sorry but I didn't run the Charlotte race. After my connection problems at Pocono I didn't think it fair to the other racers if I was warping all over the place. Greg, I actually think it would be a good idea for racers to let others know if they are warping really bad. But keep in mind that everyone warps a little so you would want to make sure that they are warping enough to be detrimental to the racing. :o) - Isotrip� (If this post shows up out of order or not in the "Pocono Today" thread sorry about that but I am posting this message thru a mirror on a Forum.) Originally posted by Greg31 Uhhh...that was me apparently warping at Charlotte Jeff, I had posted in this same thread last week apologizing for the warp, (I am on cable btw), maybe you didnt see that post. Hadnt ever had probs in the past, it just chose a great field to start warping in...again sorry if I took you with me. Perhaps if we could mention in practice if we see someone warping on track, they can try to reconnect to get a better ping? That way me/them/whoever can know about it before getting into a situation where we "endanger" other cars in race mode? Not to mention the waste of time.....just a suggestion FWIW <G> -- Greg31 Jeff Leonard wrote in message ... > >P.S. You hit me while warping at Charlotte, too. That was me in the T2 >incident. Do you hate me, or what? ; ) - Isotrip� [image: http://www.mhogaming.com/picoday/notrun.gif] ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Posted via MHOGaming - Your Friendly Gaming Community http://www.mhogaming.com View this thread on MHO: http://www.mhogaming.com/vb/showthread.php?threadid=3952

SO I guess I need to change my car # to something else, it seems that "31" causes warp <G> -- Greg31 Isotrip� wrote in message ... > >Jeff, > >sorry but I didn't run the Charlotte race. After my connection problems >at Pocono I didn't think it fair to the other racers if I was warping >all over the place. > >Greg, > >I actually think it would be a good idea for racers to let others know >if they are warping really bad. But keep in mind that everyone warps a >little so you would want to make sure that they are warping enough to be >detrimental to the racing. :o) > >- Isotrip�