F1 : The most boring race EVER ?

What do you think ? I think it was the most boring race EVER, definitely !! -- The first ever pinball ezboard !! http://pub7.ezboard.com/bpinball

Yeah, if you watched the front runners the entire race. For me, watching Filipe Massa charging around over the kerbs from the onboard view was endlessly entertaining, seeing Heidfeld, Trulli and Button ahead all taking different lines, especially through Alta. Nick.

Its the first time I bought the Sky digital package for �12.00 to watch the race. The coverage is brilliant, but what a crap race.. Soooo boring !!! On Sun, 14 Apr 2002 19:17:21 +0100, "Nick Govier" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>Yeah, if you watched the front runners the entire race. For me, watching >Filipe Massa charging around over the kerbs from the onboard view was >endlessly entertaining, seeing Heidfeld, Trulli and Button ahead all taking >different lines, especially through Alta. > >Nick. > > >

It's F1..........it's supposed to be boring<G> -John "Txl" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:3cb9bb7f$0$11095$[email hidden]...

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> What do you think ? > I think it was the most boring race EVER, definitely !! > > -- > The first ever pinball ezboard !! > http://pub7.ezboard.com/bpinball > > > >

"John Pancoast" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > It's F1..........it's supposed to be boring<G> >Yes, it looks like they are trying to get a slice of the Nascar market ;-)

Got to about half way and I thought I'd go watch some paint dry... Mark Reading, UK "Txl" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:3cb9bb7f$0$11095$[email hidden]...

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> What do you think ? > I think it was the most boring race EVER, definitely !! > > -- > The first ever pinball ezboard !! > http://pub7.ezboard.com/bpinball > > > >

I dont know, I fell asleep after 30 laps. There wasnt a single pass after the start. -- --------------- Steve Levett "Txl" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:3cb9bb7f$0$11095$[email hidden]... > What do you think ? > I think it was the most boring race EVER, definitely !! > > -- > The first ever pinball ezboard !! > http://pub7.ezboard.com/bpinball > > > >

Yep.....Schumaker is for sure in a different league... and the 'Rarri are at the moment the best out there.....and it does'nt make for very exciting viewing when you know the outcome before you turn the TV on....... leesee "Steve Levett" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:a9cmt7$21l9f$[email hidden]...

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> I dont know, I fell asleep after 30 laps. There wasnt a single pass after > the start. > > -- > > --------------- > Steve Levett > > > "Txl" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:3cb9bb7f$0$11095$[email hidden]... > > What do you think ? > > I think it was the most boring race EVER, definitely !! > > > > -- > > The first ever pinball ezboard !! > > http://pub7.ezboard.com/bpinball > > > > > > > > > >

Nick Govier ([email hidden]) wrote on 14 Apr 2002: > Yeah, if you watched the front runners the entire race. For me, > watching Filipe Massa charging around over the kerbs from the > onboard view was endlessly entertaining, seeing Heidfeld, Trulli > and Button ahead all taking different lines, especially through > Alta. Yeah, I'd like to have a go at Sky's package. Except that I'm not allowed a satellite dish on my house... -- "After all, a mere thousand yards... such a harmless little knoll, really" - Raymond Mays on Shelsley Walsh. The GPL Scrapyard: Back again! http://www.btinternet.com/~gplscrapyard

What I noticed is that RS outqualified JPM and then crushed him in the race. That's three races in a row he's out performed JPM, and RS also qualified better than him in Australia. But.......the next time JPM happens to finish ahead of RS, I'm sure we'll hear how good he is over and over. David G Fisher "Txl" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:3cb9bb7f$0$11095$[email hidden]...

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> What do you think ? > I think it was the most boring race EVER, definitely !! > > -- > The first ever pinball ezboard !! > http://pub7.ezboard.com/bpinball > > > > >

On Sun, 14 Apr 2002 19:25:18 +0200, "Txl" <[email hidden]> wrote: >What do you think ? >I think it was the most boring race EVER, definitely !! I hit fast forward on my Tivo on lap two and went all the way to the end and never saw a thing worth watching in real time. I am a big Ferrari fan but where there's no competition, there's no fun...

No arguments here - fell asleep after 15 laps. Watching the replay, I thought it was amusing that Martin Brundle (I think) said something about the rental car on the way to the track being his "drive of the day" -- Damien Smith [email hidden] ICQ: 77028579 F1 2001 rank: -5.658

James: "Quickly time, Martin, for you to give your views on the driver of the day. Who's it going to be?" Martin: "It's," (sighs) "it's not been a thrilling race has it? Blundell was good in the rent-a-car on the way in this morning." -- Cheers, Robin ................... `o^=o- http://www.oppositelock.freeserve.co.uk N�rburgring and Grand Prix Legends "Damien Smith" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:a9e94e$2ddnt$[email hidden]... > No arguments here - fell asleep after 15 laps. Watching the replay, I > thought it was amusing that Martin Brundle (I think) said something about > the rental car on the way to the track being his "drive of the day" > > -- > Damien Smith > [email hidden] > ICQ: 77028579 > F1 2001 rank: -5.658 > >

JPM had a rain setup on the car, as well, 'cept for Oz, JPM has been in a better position then RS when he was taken out. RS is a more consistant driver at the moment, but JPM is the faster of the two. -Stuart Becktell "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:kAqu8.32906$[email hidden]... > What I noticed is that RS outqualified JPM and then crushed him in therace. > That's three races in a row he's out performed JPM, and RS also qualified > better than him in Australia. But.......the next time JPM happens tofinish

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> ahead of RS, I'm sure we'll hear how good he is over and over. > > David G Fisher > > "Txl" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:3cb9bb7f$0$11095$[email hidden]... > > What do you think ? > > I think it was the most boring race EVER, definitely !! > > > > -- > > The first ever pinball ezboard !! > > http://pub7.ezboard.com/bpinball > > > > > > > > > > > >

"Stuart Becktell" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:layu8.29626$[email hidden]... > JPM had a rain setup on the car, as well, There's always excuses for Montoya. >'cept for Oz, JPM has been in a > better position then RS when he was taken out. JPM hasn't been taken out yet this year. He's taken himself out with mistakes. >RS is a more consistant > driver at the moment, but JPM is the faster of the two. > -Stuart Becktell That's the myth that some want us to believe. There are no facts that support that Montoya has been the faster driver over RS the past 21 races as teammates. RS has done better in qualifying, and better in the races. Those are the facts. This year they've split the qualifying, and Ralf has had much better race results. The only time JPM has done better than RS was at the end of last year when the championship was decided and RS was admittedly distracted by the birth of his son and the WTC bombings. David G Fisher

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> "Stuart Becktell" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:layu8.29626$[email hidden]... > > JPM had a rain setup on the car, as well, > > There's always excuses for Montoya. > > >'cept for Oz, JPM has been in a > > better position then RS when he was taken out. > > JPM hasn't been taken out yet this year. He's taken himself out with > mistakes.

Actually, he has finished every race this season and is third in points :) -- Olav K. Malmin remove .spam when replying

>. But.......the next time JPM happens to finish >ahead of RS, I'm sure we'll hear how good he is over and over. And each time RS finishes higher, we'll certainly see you mentioning it over and over... Rafe Mc

Well the only interest for me was seeing Mark Webber in the Minardi pass De La Rosa's Jag. I'm sure Lauda would be loving that :) Rafe Mc On Sun, 14 Apr 2002 19:25:18 +0200, "Txl" <[email hidden]> wrote: >What do you think ? >I think it was the most boring race EVER, definitely !!

David G Fisher wrote: > There's always excuses for Montoya. > ...and for Ralfie too... > > end of last year when the championship was decided and RS was admittedly > distracted by the birth of his son and the WTC bombings. > > David G Fisher As far as I can see, Monty looks faster, but Ralfie's been much smarter. Warlock!

In article <kAqu8.32906$[email hidden]>, "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> writes: >What I noticed is that RS outqualified JPM and then crushed him in the race. >That's three races in a row he's out performed JPM, and RS also qualified >better than him in Australia. But.......the next time JPM happens to finish >ahead of RS, I'm sure we'll hear how good he is over and over. Oh, I think JPM is a good driver. Ralf is just doing better at the moment - which is what counts. Of course, Ralf may be getting the same 'preferential treatment' from Williams that his brother gets from Ferrari... (That oughta stir things up...<g>) Eldred -- Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPLRank - under construction... Can the Detroit Tigers match the Detroit Lions' blazing 2001 start of 0-12??? Currently at 0-11 as of April14th...stay tuned...one more to tie Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

> Its the first time I bought the Sky digital package for �12.00 to > watch the race. > The coverage is brilliant, but what a crap race.. Soooo boring !!! You would have loved Brazil... My personal reason for getting the race each time I can is that during the 4 practice sessions and warm up you can ride onboard and see exactly how each driver differs in driving style, how their car is handling, and things you just don't see from external cameras. And all the european races include a free Porsche GT3 race on the Sunday morning... Nick.

"Steve Levett" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:a9cmt7$21l9f$[email hidden]... > I dont know, I fell asleep after 30 laps. There wasnt a single pass after > the start. There were quite a few down the field, but the Italian director is never going to focus on anything which isn't red... Get the Sky Digital package... Nick.

"Stuart Becktell" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:layu8.29626$[email hidden]... > JPM had a rain setup on the car, as well, 'cept for Oz, JPM has been in a > better position then RS when he was taken out. RS is a more consistant > driver at the moment, but JPM is the faster of the two. > -Stuart Becktell Actually, Patrick Head said as JPM drove the car out to the grid he complained of understeer. They thought it might be because of the cold, new tyres and it would fix itself after a few laps (as there was no real problem in warm up), but it didn't go away for the whole race. I can imagine how a driver like JPM or MS would absolutely hate an understeering car :-) Nick.

How do you distinguish "most boring" when it comes to F1 Parades? <VBG> (*flamesuit on*) -- Scott B. Husted PA-Scott ICQ# 4395450 http://www.Husted.cc "Txl" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:3cb9bb7f$0$11095$[email hidden]... > What do you think ? > I think it was the most boring race EVER, definitely !! > > -- > The first ever pinball ezboard !! > http://pub7.ezboard.com/bpinball > > > >

Lol Scott. Most boring ? Nah, only until the next race, lol. And for the record, I LIKE F1...........but it's boring<G> Face it, they added pit stops to try to ADD excitement to it; that says a lot IMO<G> -John "Scott B. Husted" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:5RFu8.1006$[email hidden]...

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> How do you distinguish "most boring" when it comes to F1 Parades? <VBG> > (*flamesuit on*) > > -- > Scott B. Husted > PA-Scott > ICQ# 4395450 > http://www.Husted.cc > > > "Txl" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:3cb9bb7f$0$11095$[email hidden]... > > What do you think ? > > I think it was the most boring race EVER, definitely !! > > > > -- > > The first ever pinball ezboard !! > > http://pub7.ezboard.com/bpinball > > > > > > > > > >

"Scott B. Husted" wrote: > > How do you distinguish "most boring" when it comes to F1 Parades? <VBG> > (*flamesuit on*) Nothing a banker would ever understand Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy http://www.theuspits.com http://www.teammirage.com "Animation isn't the illusion of life; it is life" --Chuck Jones (1912-2002)--

"Txl" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:3cb9bb7f$0$11095$[email hidden]... > What do you think ? > I think it was the most boring race EVER, definitely !! This track leads to boring races. All that matters is the engine. Bart Westra

I have really tried to watch F1 this year, in an effort to get over my "homer" behaviour when it come to being a race fan. But damn these races are boring. Once anyone named Schumacher gets the lead, well it's over. And being impressed by the technology only last so long. So I have to agree that F1 racing is really, really boring. I know that NASCAR is guilty of "playing the rules" to force parity on the sport, but you know what, at least those races are somewhat interesting...and that isn't even mentioning the pit fits..which have added that NHL-like quality to the sport. What has shown some potential for being interesting is WRC Rally racing. Now that is fun, from just trying to listen to some guy machine gun out directions in Italian, to watching the stunned look on the navigators face as the car goes flying from the road...This is far more interesting than F1. btgoss "Goy Larsen" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > "Scott B. Husted" wrote: > > > > How do you distinguish "most boring" when it comes to F1 Parades?<VBG>

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> > (*flamesuit on*) > > Nothing a banker would ever understand > > > Beers and cheers > (uncle) Goy > > http://www.theuspits.com > http://www.teammirage.com > > "Animation isn't the illusion of life; it is life" > --Chuck Jones (1912-2002)--

WRC rules =) -- Scott B. Husted ICQ# 4395450 http://www.Husted.cc "btgoss" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:JTHu8.77514$[email hidden]... > I have really tried to watch F1 this year, in an effort to get over my > "homer" behaviour when it come to being a race fan. But damn these races are > boring. Once anyone named Schumacher gets the lead, well it's over. And > being impressed by the technology only last so long. So I have to agree that > F1 racing is really, really boring. I know that NASCAR is guilty of "playing > the rules" to force parity on the sport, but you know what, at least those > races are somewhat interesting...and that isn't even mentioning the pit > fits..which have added that NHL-like quality to the sport. > What has shown some potential for being interesting is WRC Rally racing. Now > that is fun, from just trying to listen to some guy machine gun out > directions in Italian, to watching the stunned look on the navigators face > as the car goes flying from the road...This is far more interesting than F1. > > btgoss > > "Goy Larsen" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > "Scott B. Husted" wrote: > > > > > > How do you distinguish "most boring" when it comes to F1 Parades? > <VBG> > > > (*flamesuit on*) > > > > Nothing a banker would ever understand > > > > > > Beers and cheers > > (uncle) Goy > > > > http://www.theuspits.com > > http://www.teammirage.com > > > > "Animation isn't the illusion of life; it is life" > > --Chuck Jones (1912-2002)-- > >

Hmmm, I wish I had gone for a walk instead.... We now know why F1 was so much more exciting pre 1967... no wings, no engine and suspension management systems, no programmed gear shifts. The 'driver' was the most important element... closely followed by the car he was 'driving' not 'piloting'... If we want exciting F1 with drivers racing each other and some real overtaking jostling for position... we have to vote all this electronic crap out of F1...! Also the pit/crew are to involved with the racing... most modern F1 results appear to be dictated by pit strategy and how fast the crew change the tyres and fuel up... lets get back to 'drivers actually racing' each other!!! Aghhhh, I feel better now.... twitch, twitch! Dave Hawnt Bart Westra wrote:

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> "Txl" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:3cb9bb7f$0$11095$[email hidden]... > > What do you think ? > > I think it was the most boring race EVER, definitely !! > > This track leads to boring races. All that matters is the engine. > > Bart Westra

"Txl" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:3cb9bb7f$0$11095$[email hidden]... > What do you think ? > I think it was the most boring race EVER, definitely !! Very dull indeed, and as expected the director spent most of the race focused on the shiny red cars. Highlight of the race.. Barrichello flipping Eddie Irvine the finger for holding him up. :o) Heckler

Agreed, but Imola in its current post 1994 configuration is particularly bad for overtaking -- Cheers, Robin ................... `o^=o- http://www.oppositelock.freeserve.co.uk N�rburgring and Grand Prix Legends "Dave Hawnt" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Hmmm, I wish I had gone for a walk instead.... > We now know why F1 was so much more exciting pre 1967... no wings, no > engine and suspension management systems, no programmed gear shifts. > The 'driver' was the most important element... closely followed by > the car he was 'driving' not 'piloting'... If we want exciting F1 > with drivers racing each other and some real overtaking jostling for > position... we have to vote all this electronic crap out of F1...! > Also the pit/crew are to involved with the racing... most modern F1 > results appear to be dictated by pit strategy and how fast the crew > change the tyres and fuel up... lets get back to 'drivers actually > racing' each other!!! > Aghhhh, I feel better now.... twitch, twitch! > Dave Hawnt > > Bart Westra wrote: > > > "Txl" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:3cb9bb7f$0$11095$[email hidden]... > > > What do you think ? > > > I think it was the most boring race EVER, definitely !! > > > > This track leads to boring races. All that matters is the engine. > > > > Bart Westra >

"David G Fisher" > That's three races in a row he's out performed JPM, and RS also qualified > better than him in Australia. But.......the next time JPM happens tofinish > ahead of RS, I'm sure we'll hear how good he is over and over. > > David G Fisher I was thinking about this the other day. Comparing Ralf and JPM is kinda like the good ol days in CART. Both Paul Tracey and Michael Andretti had more natural/pure speed than Al Unser Jr. but when the racing was over, JR had two Indys, and two CART Championships. Even when running the Penske car that Tracey had tested all winter, PT 'could' be faster at almost every track, but Jr. grabbed the bulk of the points. I think now that JPM has gotten a tour of all the ciruits, we will get a better picture of the two. I'm impressed with Ralf this year, he seemed to go very flat near the end of last season. Think of Ralf as Jr and JPM as Tracey...that might be a pretty fair comparison. dave henrie dave henrie

"Scott B. Husted" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:3cbb540d$[email hidden]... > WRC rules =) > If they ever get a working system that shows the cars all together on the track like that web display...then WRC will really explode. dave henrie

> the next time JPM happens to finish > ahead of RS, I'm sure we'll hear how good he is over and over. I don't understand your obsession with this issue, DGF. What are you trying to prove? As for "distracted by the WTC bombings", what gives RS the right to be more affected than anyone else? -- Cheers! Graeme Nash

The only problem with that comparison is that as teammates, RS has qualified and finished better than JPM. JPM is more ragged so I think some people confuse that with speed. David G Fisher "Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:bEPu8.51121$CH1.47457@sccrnsc02... > > "David G Fisher" > > That's three races in a row he's out performed JPM, and RS alsoqualified > > better than him in Australia. But.......the next time JPM happens to > finish > > ahead of RS, I'm sure we'll hear how good he is over and over. > > > > David G Fisher > I was thinking about this the other day. Comparing Ralf and JPM iskinda > like the good ol days in CART. Both Paul Tracey and Michael Andretti had > more natural/pure speed than Al Unser Jr. but when the racing was over,JR > had two Indys, and two CART Championships. Even when running the Penskecar > that Tracey had tested all winter, PT 'could' be faster at almost every > track, but Jr. grabbed the bulk of the points. > I think now that JPM has gotten a tour of all the ciruits, we will get a > better picture of the two. I'm impressed with Ralf this year, he seemedto

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> go very flat near the end of last season. Think of Ralf as Jr and JPM as > Tracey...that might be a pretty fair comparison. > dave henrie > dave henrie > > >

"Graeme Nash" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > > the next time JPM happens to finish > > ahead of RS, I'm sure we'll hear how good he is over and over. > > I don't understand your obsession with this issue, DGF. What are you > trying to prove? This reminds me of the silly GPL related accusations. If I don't tow the company line than I'm a psycho trouble maker. I can hear Montoya this and Montoya that over and over but when I finally respond with facts then I'm obsessed. Lol. Maybe I'll make a big deal out of everything RS does from here on out like some people do with JPM. It may just seem like I'm out to prove something because RS is actually the better driver and I'll have more to cheer about. > As for "distracted by the WTC bombings", what gives RS the right to be > more affected than anyone else? That's how he and a soon to be five time F1 champion both felt. They are entitled to their views just like you are. David G Fisher

"Scott B. Husted" wrote: > > WRC rules =) AusieV8's !!! Got it right this time :-) Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy "The Pits" http://www.theuspits.com/ "Animation isn't the illusion of life; it is life" --Chuck Jones (1912-2002)--

"David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in news:fFRu8.4645$[email hidden]: > The only problem with that comparison is that as teammates, RS has > qualified and finished better than JPM. JPM is more ragged so I think > some people confuse that with speed. > > David G Fisher Montoya tries too hard, Schumacher doesn't try hard enough. cheers John

that sums it up quite nicely !! -- The first ever pinball ezboard !! http://pub7.ezboard.com/bpinball > > Montoya tries too hard, Schumacher doesn't try hard enough. > > cheers > John

Doesn't say much for JPM if RS can outperform him without even trying hard. BTW, where did you guys buy the device which measures how hard an F1 driver is trying? David G Fisher "Txl" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:3cbc9c4e$0$4990$[email hidden]...

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> that sums it up quite nicely !! > > -- > The first ever pinball ezboard !! > http://pub7.ezboard.com/bpinball > > > > > > > Montoya tries too hard, Schumacher doesn't try hard enough. > > > > cheers > > John > > >

"David G Fisher" > Doesn't say much for JPM if RS can outperform him without even trying hard. > > BTW, where did you guys buy the device which measures how hard an F1 driver > is trying? They can measure everything in F1 these days, David. They analyse the pit radio conversation. If you don't swear enough then you can hardly be trying can you? My journeys to work would sometimes register on the Montoya meter...

well RS was behind his brother in brazil for 10 laps without even TRYING JPM was behind the same guy in brazil and tried TOO HARD, TOO SOON. When you see a guy whose rear wheels are more than seldom not in line with his front wheels that means he's trying "too much", on the other hand when you come back on the race leader at 1 sec per lap and you join him 10-12 laps before the end and you don't even show your ugly blue nose on his mirrors ONCE, then it means you're not trying enough... Just my opinion though, and yes DGF, F1RC is still the best F1 sim around !!! -- The first ever pinball ezboard !! http://pub7.ezboard.com/bpinball "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> a �crit dans le message de news: N71v8.10167$[email hidden]... > Doesn't say much for JPM if RS can outperform him without even trying hard. > > BTW, where did you guys buy the device which measures how hard an F1 driver > is trying? > > David G Fisher > > "Txl" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:3cbc9c4e$0$4990$[email hidden]... > > that sums it up quite nicely !! > > > > -- > > The first ever pinball ezboard !! > > http://pub7.ezboard.com/bpinball > > > > > > > > > > > > Montoya tries too hard, Schumacher doesn't try hard enough. > > > > > > cheers > > > John > > > > > > > >

"David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in news:N71v8.10167$[email hidden]:

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> Doesn't say much for JPM if RS can outperform him without even trying > hard. > > BTW, where did you guys buy the device which measures how hard an F1 > driver is trying? > > David G Fisher >

By the 2 seconds a lap ralph found at the end of the race that he didn't have for the ten laps before it. By the way he caught his brother in the space of 6 laps and sat behind him at brazil. A stop watch can tell you how hard a driver is trying. They're relatively inexpensive. You're right though- it doesn't say much for JPM. cheers John

>I can hear Montoya this and > Montoya that over and over but when I finally respond with facts then I'm > obsessed. Lol. LOL indeed. To quote you - "What I noticed is that RS outqualified JPM and then crushed him in the race. That's three races in a row he's out performed JPM, and RS also qualified better than him in Australia. But.......the next time JPM happens to finish ahead of RS, I'm sure we'll hear how good he is over and over. " Responding with facts, yes. But your response was off on a tangent to the original message and designed specifically to provoke a response. Nobody even mentioned RS v JPM until you bought the issue up. You seem pretty obsessed to me. > That's how he and a soon to be five time F1 champion both felt. They are > entitled to their views just like you are. JPM was upset too. It's affected his performance all season. No need to try and impress me with statistics, either :-) -- Cheers! Graeme Nash

Dave Hawnt <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>... > Hmmm, I wish I had gone for a walk instead.... > We now know why F1 was so much more exciting pre 1967... no wings, no > engine and suspension management systems, no programmed gear shifts. All of those things existed in the 80's and F1 was still exciting (except for maybe 1988 but damn, Prost/Senna/Mclaren were so impressive that year who cares). I think the biggest problems are 1. the money (in the 80's there were tons of small teams and it still took creativity rather than just a pile of cash to build a nice car) and 2. the piddly tracks. I mean, it wasn't long ago that there was a chicane at Eau Rouge! WTF? And Monza, man, what a joke that is. A bunch of short straights punctuated by chicanes with some curves in the acceleration zones. With the exception of 1 corner at Spa every single remotely challenging corner in F1 is gone. As recently as 1994 there was still a challenge to most of the tracks, even with the chicanes that had been added for safety, because the tracks still had some challenging corners and part of their character. When racing consists of GAS GAS GAS BRAKE BRAKE BRAKE CHICANE GAS GAS GAS BRAKE BRAKE BRAKE CHICANE over and over naturally it's going to become nothing more than a battle over whom has the better car. Basically if your car can out accelerate every other car you win. Jason