Major N2002 and XP issues

I'm sure this has been covered before, searched on google, but didn't find anything, so I go out on a limb and here :) Got N2002 yesterday, thanks Goy, and installed it on my XP partition. Finally no problems of finding the CD in the drive like N4 had, and start up. I choosed Direct3D at 1200x960x16 something. The MSFF (gameport) wheel calibrated well and off I went to Daytona. Hmmm, no sound. Aw well, I fix this later, but I only got 35-50 fps. Is that normal with max graphics settings ? Then I was going to exit the game, pressed escape during the end credits and waited and waited and waited and waited. What's all this then ? So, for XP I have two problems, no sound and one big wait. Installed on my WinME partition, which I don't really like because it only handles 256 of my 512 MB ram. Direct3D was choppy bigtime, but OpenGL did the trick. No problems whatsoever at all. I would prefer to run the game on XP though. Any good tips would be appreciated. System: Epox 8kha+ mainboard AMD xp1600+ 512 mb ddr ram SB Live Player 1024 ELSA GeForce3 ti200 (at gf3 speed) 23.10 drivers. And my #176 JBL Dodge is soon finished and will be uploaded to the RASCAR forum very soon :) -- Olav K. Malmin remove .spam when replying

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> I'm sure this has been covered before, searched on google, but didn't > find anything, so I go out on a limb and here :) > > Got N2002 yesterday, thanks Goy, and installed it on my XP > partition. Finally no problems of finding the CD in the drive like N4 > had, and start up. I choosed Direct3D at 1200x960x16 something. The > MSFF (gameport) wheel calibrated well and off I went to Daytona. > > Hmmm, no sound. Aw well, I fix this later, but I only got 35-50 > fps. Is that normal with max graphics settings ?

Are you alone in a testing session or with 42 AI in front of you? Mirror on or off, and what mirror detail setting? How many cars visible in mirror? What track? If you want to gain some fps, turn off reflections and turn sounds down to 8. You'll gain a lot with those two changes. > System: > Epox 8kha+ mainboard > AMD xp1600+ > 512 mb ddr ram > SB Live Player 1024 > ELSA GeForce3 ti200 (at gf3 speed) 23.10 drivers. I run N2002 in XP on a P4 1600, 320 meg ram, GF2Ti in D3D with the 28.32 drivers and frame rate isn't an issue for me. I run full graphics with 15 AI ahead and 3 in mirror. I turn off reflections. Frame rate is always between 35 and 80. I hit 100+ on some trakcs in testing. You should have better fps than me with your GF3. David G Fisher

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> "Olav K. Malmin" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > I'm sure this has been covered before, searched on google, but didn't > > find anything, so I go out on a limb and here :) > > > > Got N2002 yesterday, thanks Goy, and installed it on my XP > > partition. Finally no problems of finding the CD in the drive like N4 > > had, and start up. I choosed Direct3D at 1200x960x16 something. The > > MSFF (gameport) wheel calibrated well and off I went to Daytona. > > > > Hmmm, no sound. Aw well, I fix this later, but I only got 35-50 > > fps. Is that normal with max graphics settings ? > > Are you alone in a testing session or with 42 AI in front of you? Mirror on > or off, and what mirror detail setting? How many cars visible in mirror? > What track? If you want to gain some fps, turn off reflections and turn > sounds down to 8. You'll gain a lot with those two changes.

How silly of me not to mention that. Alone on the track in a testing session. In the turns I get around 50, and in the beginning of the straights it goes to around 35.

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> > > System: > > Epox 8kha+ mainboard > > AMD xp1600+ > > 512 mb ddr ram > > SB Live Player 1024 > > ELSA GeForce3 ti200 (at gf3 speed) 23.10 drivers. > > I run N2002 in XP on a P4 1600, 320 meg ram, GF2Ti in D3D with the 28.32 > drivers and frame rate isn't an issue for me. I run full graphics with 15 AI > ahead and 3 in mirror. I turn off reflections. Frame rate is always between > 35 and 80. I hit 100+ on some trakcs in testing. You should have better fps > than me with your GF3.

Thanks for the tips. I'll try them today. -- Olav K. Malmin remove .spam when replying

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> "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> writes: > > > "Olav K. Malmin" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:[email hidden]... >> > > Hmmm, no sound. Aw well, I fix this later, but I only got 35-50 > > > fps. Is that normal with max graphics settings ? > > > > Are you alone in a testing session or with 42 AI in front of you? Mirror

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> > or off, and what mirror detail setting? How many cars visible in mirror? > > What track? If you want to gain some fps, turn off reflections and turn > > sounds down to 8. You'll gain a lot with those two changes. > > How silly of me not to mention that. Alone on the track in a testing > session. In the turns I get around 50, and in the beginning of the > straights it goes to around 35.

Well it will depend on the track, but that does seem low. Here's something specific to compare to. At North Carolina (Rockingham) in a testing session and sitting in my pit stall in cockpit view, I get 110 fps without mirror, 65 with mirror at low detail, 57 with mirror at high detail. Again, I use full graphics except reflections are turned off and sounds set to 8. Anisotrophic filtering has no effect on my fps whether it's off or on. David G Fisher

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> > > System: > > > Epox 8kha+ mainboard > > > AMD xp1600+ > > > 512 mb ddr ram > > > SB Live Player 1024 > > > ELSA GeForce3 ti200 (at gf3 speed) 23.10 drivers. > > > > I run N2002 in XP on a P4 1600, 320 meg ram, GF2Ti in D3D with the 28.32 > > drivers and frame rate isn't an issue for me. I run full graphics with

15 AI > > ahead and 3 in mirror. I turn off reflections. Frame rate is alwaysbetween > > 35 and 80. I hit 100+ on some trakcs in testing. You should have betterfps

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> > than me with your GF3. > > Thanks for the tips. I'll try them today. > > -- > Olav K. Malmin > remove .spam when replying >

Looks like most of your issues have been addressed. WinME handles 512MB RAM fine, either you are mistaken, or you have a system problem........ask around, you'll find that out for yourself. -- Biz "Don't touch that please, your primitive intellect wouldn't understand alloys and compositions and,......things with molecular structures,....and the....." - Ash Olav K. Malmin <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > I'm sure this has been covered before, searched on google, but didn't > find anything, so I go out on a limb and here :) > > Got N2002 yesterday, thanks Goy, and installed it on my XP > partition. Finally no problems of finding the CD in the drive like N4 > had, and start up. I choosed Direct3D at 1200x960x16 something. The > MSFF (gameport) wheel calibrated well and off I went to Daytona. > > Hmmm, no sound. Aw well, I fix this later, but I only got 35-50 > fps. Is that normal with max graphics settings ? > > Then I was going to exit the game, pressed escape during the end > credits and waited and waited and waited and waited. What's all this > then ? > > So, for XP I have two problems, no sound and one big wait. > > Installed on my WinME partition, which I don't really like because it > only handles 256 of my 512 MB ram. Direct3D was choppy bigtime, but > OpenGL did the trick. No problems whatsoever at all. > > I would prefer to run the game on XP though. Any good tips would be > appreciated. > > System: > Epox 8kha+ mainboard > AMD xp1600+ > 512 mb ddr ram > SB Live Player 1024 > ELSA GeForce3 ti200 (at gf3 speed) 23.10 drivers. > > > And my #176 JBL Dodge is soon finished and will be > uploaded to the RASCAR forum very soon :) > > -- > Olav K. Malmin > remove .spam when replying >

"Olav K. Malmin" wrote: > > Installed on my WinME partition, which I don't really like because it > only handles 256 of my 512 MB ram. Direct3D was choppy bigtime, but > OpenGL did the trick. No problems whatsoever at all. There's a quick fix for this "start"-"run"-"msconfig"-"advanced"-"limit system memory to"- 256 No reason why ME shouldn't handle 512 though, except that it's a crappy POS that will sometimes choke on perfectly good hardware, but at least you don't have to pull the ram sticks Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy "The Pits" http://www.theuspits.com/ "A man is only as old as the woman he feels" --Groucho Marx--

In article <5Lwv8.76040$[email hidden]>, "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> writes: >Are you alone in a testing session or with 42 AI in front of you? Mirror on >or off, and what mirror detail setting? How many cars visible in mirror? >What track? If you want to gain some fps, turn off reflections and turn >sounds down to 8. You'll gain a lot with those two changes. I'm *still* only getting 37fps, even changing those like you suggested during one race. Practice or race, same fps. Eldred -- Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett GPLRank - under construction... Okay, so the Detroit Tigers finally won a game. But is 1-11 *really* something to get excited over...? Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

I find if you turn the SOUNDS down to just 8 or less, your FPS will go up dramatically. James "Olav K. Malmin" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> I'm sure this has been covered before, searched on google, but didn't > find anything, so I go out on a limb and here :) > > Got N2002 yesterday, thanks Goy, and installed it on my XP > partition. Finally no problems of finding the CD in the drive like N4 > had, and start up. I choosed Direct3D at 1200x960x16 something. The > MSFF (gameport) wheel calibrated well and off I went to Daytona. > > Hmmm, no sound. Aw well, I fix this later, but I only got 35-50 > fps. Is that normal with max graphics settings ? > > Then I was going to exit the game, pressed escape during the end > credits and waited and waited and waited and waited. What's all this > then ? > > So, for XP I have two problems, no sound and one big wait. > > Installed on my WinME partition, which I don't really like because it > only handles 256 of my 512 MB ram. Direct3D was choppy bigtime, but > OpenGL did the trick. No problems whatsoever at all. > > I would prefer to run the game on XP though. Any good tips would be > appreciated. > > System: > Epox 8kha+ mainboard > AMD xp1600+ > 512 mb ddr ram > SB Live Player 1024 > ELSA GeForce3 ti200 (at gf3 speed) 23.10 drivers. > > > And my #176 JBL Dodge is soon finished and will be > uploaded to the RASCAR forum very soon :) > > -- > Olav K. Malmin > remove .spam when replying >

I had no sound in N2002 (and NASCAR Legneds for that matter) when I tried to run them under XP until I had gotten the latest XP drivers for my old SB Live MP3+5.1. That fixed that. I ended up getting an SB Audigy for some other problems I was having and my system has been much nicer to me sinec getting rid of that EMU10k sound chip found on the SB Live series. Mine was likely a mobo conflict since every computer I build tends to be based on an AMD CPU and Via based mobo... Turn off the intro and exit video options under the graphics tab might help the hang on exit deal, dunno. This is the first thing I do with every sim after watching the intro once :) Olav K. Malmin <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> I'm sure this has been covered before, searched on google, but didn't > find anything, so I go out on a limb and here :) > > Got N2002 yesterday, thanks Goy, and installed it on my XP > partition. Finally no problems of finding the CD in the drive like N4 > had, and start up. I choosed Direct3D at 1200x960x16 something. The > MSFF (gameport) wheel calibrated well and off I went to Daytona. > > Hmmm, no sound. Aw well, I fix this later, but I only got 35-50 > fps. Is that normal with max graphics settings ? > > Then I was going to exit the game, pressed escape during the end > credits and waited and waited and waited and waited. What's all this > then ? > > So, for XP I have two problems, no sound and one big wait. > > Installed on my WinME partition, which I don't really like because it > only handles 256 of my 512 MB ram. Direct3D was choppy bigtime, but > OpenGL did the trick. No problems whatsoever at all. > > I would prefer to run the game on XP though. Any good tips would be > appreciated. > > System: > Epox 8kha+ mainboard > AMD xp1600+ > 512 mb ddr ram > SB Live Player 1024 > ELSA GeForce3 ti200 (at gf3 speed) 23.10 drivers. > > > And my #176 JBL Dodge is soon finished and will be > uploaded to the RASCAR forum very soon :) > > -- > Olav K. Malmin > remove .spam when replying >

Mirrors are for wimps :) j/k -- Tim White INTRAC Motorsports www.birds-i-view.com/intrac > I get 110 fps without mirror, 65 with mirror at low detail, 57 with mirror at high detail

There's no such thing as less than 8 :) But your point is taken :) -- Tim White INTRAC Motorsports www.birds-i-view.com/intrac "j.larson2" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:9ODv8.121808$[email hidden]... > I find if you turn the SOUNDS down to just 8 or less, your FPS will go up > dramatically. > > James >

"Biz" <[email hidden]> writes: > Looks like most of your issues have been addressed. WinME handles 512MB RAM fine, either you are > mistaken, or you have a system problem........ask around, you'll find that out for yourself. I was under the impression that WinME, beeing based on the old Win98 code couldn't handle more. Anyway, I feel that in XP things concerning memory are way faster, but of course, that can have other explainations.

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> Biz > > "Don't touch that please, your primitive intellect wouldn't understand > alloys and compositions and,......things with molecular structures,....and > the....." - Ash > > > Olav K. Malmin <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > I'm sure this has been covered before, searched on google, but didn't > > find anything, so I go out on a limb and here :) > > > > Got N2002 yesterday, thanks Goy, and installed it on my XP > > partition. Finally no problems of finding the CD in the drive like N4 > > had, and start up. I choosed Direct3D at 1200x960x16 something. The > > MSFF (gameport) wheel calibrated well and off I went to Daytona. > > > > Hmmm, no sound. Aw well, I fix this later, but I only got 35-50 > > fps. Is that normal with max graphics settings ? > > > > Then I was going to exit the game, pressed escape during the end > > credits and waited and waited and waited and waited. What's all this > > then ? > > > > So, for XP I have two problems, no sound and one big wait. > > > > Installed on my WinME partition, which I don't really like because it > > only handles 256 of my 512 MB ram. Direct3D was choppy bigtime, but > > OpenGL did the trick. No problems whatsoever at all. > > > > I would prefer to run the game on XP though. Any good tips would be > > appreciated. > > > > System: > > Epox 8kha+ mainboard > > AMD xp1600+ > > 512 mb ddr ram > > SB Live Player 1024 > > ELSA GeForce3 ti200 (at gf3 speed) 23.10 drivers. > > > > > > And my #176 JBL Dodge is soon finished and will be > > uploaded to the RASCAR forum very soon :) > > > > -- > > Olav K. Malmin > > remove .spam when replying > > > >

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> "Olav K. Malmin" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> writes: > > > > > "Olav K. Malmin" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > news:[email hidden]... > >> > > Hmmm, no sound. Aw well, I fix this later, but I only got 35-50 > > > > fps. Is that normal with max graphics settings ? > > > > > > Are you alone in a testing session or with 42 AI in front of you? Mirror > on > > > or off, and what mirror detail setting? How many cars visible in mirror? > > > What track? If you want to gain some fps, turn off reflections and turn > > > sounds down to 8. You'll gain a lot with those two changes. > > > > How silly of me not to mention that. Alone on the track in a testing > > session. In the turns I get around 50, and in the beginning of the > > straights it goes to around 35. > > Well it will depend on the track, but that does seem low. Here's something > specific to compare to. > > At North Carolina (Rockingham) in a testing session and sitting in my pit > stall in cockpit view, I get 110 fps without mirror, 65 with mirror at low > detail, 57 with mirror at high detail. Again, I use full graphics except > reflections are turned off and sounds set to 8. Anisotrophic filtering has > no effect on my fps whether it's off or on.

I turned off reflections and set number of sounds to 15. Now I have yet to see a situation where the fps goes below 50. Usually the fps is from 75 and upwards to 110 now. Thanks for the tips! -- Olav K. Malmin remove .spam when replying

Check out the Microsoft Knowledge Base article Q253912. Millennium definitely handles 512, and you can even boost that with the information in Q253912. -- Chris H. "Olav Malmin" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > "Biz" <[email hidden]> writes: > > > Looks like most of your issues have been addressed. WinME handles 512MB RAM fine, either you are > > mistaken, or you have a system problem........ask around, you'll find that out for yourself. > > I was under the impression that WinME, beeing based on the old Win98 > code couldn't handle more. Anyway, I feel that in XP things concerning > memory are way faster, but of course, that can have other explainations. > > > Biz > > > > "Don't touch that please, your primitive intellect wouldn't understand > > alloys and compositions and,......things with molecular structures,....and > > the....." - Ash > > > > > > Olav K. Malmin <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:[email hidden]... > > > I'm sure this has been covered before, searched on google, but didn't > > > find anything, so I go out on a limb and here :) > > > > > > Got N2002 yesterday, thanks Goy, and installed it on my XP > > > partition. Finally no problems of finding the CD in the drive like N4 > > > had, and start up. I choosed Direct3D at 1200x960x16 something. The > > > MSFF (gameport) wheel calibrated well and off I went to Daytona. > > > > > > Hmmm, no sound. Aw well, I fix this later, but I only got 35-50 > > > fps. Is that normal with max graphics settings ? > > > > > > Then I was going to exit the game, pressed escape during the end > > > credits and waited and waited and waited and waited. What's all this > > > then ? > > > > > > So, for XP I have two problems, no sound and one big wait. > > > > > > Installed on my WinME partition, which I don't really like because it > > > only handles 256 of my 512 MB ram. Direct3D was choppy bigtime, but > > > OpenGL did the trick. No problems whatsoever at all. > > > > > > I would prefer to run the game on XP though. Any good tips would be > > > appreciated. > > > > > > System: > > > Epox 8kha+ mainboard > > > AMD xp1600+ > > > 512 mb ddr ram > > > SB Live Player 1024 > > > ELSA GeForce3 ti200 (at gf3 speed) 23.10 drivers. > > > > > > > > > And my #176 JBL Dodge is soon finished and will be > > > uploaded to the RASCAR forum very soon :) > > > > > > -- > > > Olav K. Malmin > > > remove .spam when replying > > > > > > > > > -- > Olav K. Malmin > remove .spam when replying >