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GPL2 online petition

70 posts by 23 people · 19 Apr 2002 09:02 UTC - 18 May 2002 09:16 UTC

Notable threadOnline petition asking Sierra for GPL2

Andre Warringa posted a link to an online petition for Grand Prix Legends 2, which gathered about 2,800 signatures within a few days. Some doubted that Sierra would be swayed and joked about paying $1000 each, while others hoped for a Papyrus CART sim instead. The thread drifted into Goy Larsen sharing 1994 Bathurst footage and debates about video compression and newsreaders.

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On Fri, 19 Apr 2002 11:40 +0100 (BST), [email hidden] (Andrew MacPherson) wrote:
Quoted text (10 lines)>In article <[email hidden]>, >[email hidden] (Andre Warringa) wrote: > >> http://www.petitiononline.com/gpl2/ > >There's an option missing for how much we'd be prepared to pay. If we can >get 1000 names willing to cough up $1000 each I reckon we might persuade >Sierra to let Papy start work ;o) > >Andrew McP
Yup.. I bet most of us are willing to pay some more for GPL2 than for a 'normal' game.. Anyway, 499 entries so far, not bad considering the petition was opened yesterday evening :) Andre
> There's an option missing for how much we'd be prepared to pay. If we can > get 1000 names willing to cough up $1000 each I reckon we might persuade > Sierra to let Papy start work ;o) Well, how do you guys say it: Puting your money where your mout is. It's easyer to say $1000 than to actually pay $1000. Even if you mean it. :) Jone. (Number 500 on the list; where is the prize?)
"Andre Warringa" wrote... > <snip> > Yup.. I bet most of us are willing to pay some more for > GPL2 than for a 'normal' game.. Anyway, 499 entries so > far, not bad considering the petition was opened > yesterday evening :) If I'm to cough up a thousand, I want a cut in the proceeds if the game actually makes any money. Jan. =---
[email hidden] (Jone Tytlandsvik) wrote: > It's easyer to say $1000 than to actually pay $1000. Exactly :o) My point is that if GPL's longevity here and on VROC, the fact that it still sells from the bargain basement shelves, and the fact that the guys at Papy would still love to make GPL2 doesn't persuade Sierra, then I doubt a petition of even 20,000 will make any difference. Mind you, 20,000 letters written simultaneously to Sierra HQ would be more useful because letters take more effort to write and therefore carry more weight in all customer relations departments. Anyway, enough negativity for one day :o) I've added my name even though I think it's chances of success are slightly smaller than my chances of getting my GPLRank below -50 :o) Andrew "pessimist, moi?" McP
<snip> > Anyway, enough negativity for one day :o) I've added my name even though I > think it's chances of success are slightly smaller than my chances of > getting my GPLRank below -50 :o) This makes me think. If there were to be a GPL2, and a GPL2 rank: Would Greger Huttu be at the top at that rank too? Is it possible to design a proper sim (with non-oval tracks) that will not be dominated by Greger Huttu? ;-) Papy has the know how. They know how to make proper sims. But has Sierra got the balls to let Papy do anything else but another boring Nascar sim? Jon Andersen, quit N4 after 6 weeks, but are still driving GPL after 2++ years of buying GPL
In article <sl0w8.4349$[email hidden]>, "Jon Andersen" <[email hidden]> writes: >Papy has the know how. They know how to make proper sims. But has Sierra got >the balls to let Papy do anything else but another boring Nascar sim? Sierra? No, they don't. :-( Eldred -- Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett A friend of mine is involved in a fund-raiser walk-a-thon for research to cure breast cancer. If you can, please go to my homepage and see how to make a donation. Thank you. Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.
running well im number 1828. "Michael Sisson" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:MPG.172a98dfee54ea4d98968f@nntp...
Quoted text (20 lines)> In article <[email hidden]>, > [email hidden] says... > > > > http://www.petitiononline.com/gpl2/ > > > > Andre > > > > Did it. > > I particularly like Steve Smith's entry : "If they make it, I will write > the strategy guide!" > > :) > > MRSisson > > -- > LOAD "GPL",8,1 > RUN
Done.... 2177 and climbing SG "falcon" <falcon_2k@[email hidden]> wrote in message news:3cc1918d$0$9993$[email hidden]...
Quoted text (28 lines)> running well > im number 1828. > > > "Michael Sisson" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:MPG.172a98dfee54ea4d98968f@nntp... > > In article <[email hidden]>, > > [email hidden] says... > > > > > > http://www.petitiononline.com/gpl2/ > > > > > > Andre > > > > > > > Did it. > > > > I particularly like Steve Smith's entry : "If they make it, I will write > > the strategy guide!" > > > > :) > > > > MRSisson > > > > -- > > LOAD "GPL",8,1 > > RUN > >
2782.... Stephen Green wrote:
Quoted text (34 lines)> Done.... 2177 and climbing > > SG > > "falcon" <falcon_2k@[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:3cc1918d$0$9993$[email hidden]... > > running well > > im number 1828. > > > > > > "Michael Sisson" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:MPG.172a98dfee54ea4d98968f@nntp... > > > In article <[email hidden]>, > > > [email hidden] says... > > > > > > > > http://www.petitiononline.com/gpl2/ > > > > > > > > Andre > > > > > > > > > > Did it. > > > > > > I particularly like Steve Smith's entry : "If they make it, I will write > > > the strategy guide!" > > > > > > :) > > > > > > MRSisson > > > > > > -- > > > LOAD "GPL",8,1 > > > RUN > > > >
"Ed Solheim" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:99Ww8.93$O%[email hidden]...
Quoted text (11 lines)> Atleast we got the 'good guys' on 2our side": > > "#2794. Randy Cassidy Ahem 72 " > > :-) > > -- > ed_ > > (Thanks Randy! :o) >
Always glad to be of service. :-) Randy
Randy Cassidy wrote:
Quoted text (15 lines)> > "Ed Solheim" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:99Ww8.93$O%[email hidden]... > > Atleast we got the 'good guys' on 2our side": > > > > "#2794. Randy Cassidy Ahem 72 " > > > > :-) > > > > -- > > ed_ > > > > (Thanks Randy! :o) > > > Always glad to be of service. :-)
In that case.....have you heard about this great road racing series they have down in Australia ? Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy http://www.theuspits.com http://www.teammirage.com "Animation isn't the illusion of life; it is life" --Chuck Jones (1912-2002)--
"Goy Larsen" wrote... > Randy Cassidy wrote: > > <snip> > > Always glad to be of service. :-) > > In that case.....have you heard about this great road racing > series they have down in Australia ? On which two developers are reportedly working, but keep missing their release dates? Jan. =--- PS.: CART!!
"Jan Verschueren" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Jan. > =--- > PS.: CART!! How about just ONE single CART type of winged open wheeled car that can be popped into N2002? -- David G Fisher
"David G Fisher"
Quoted text (7 lines)> > PS.: CART!! > > How about just ONE single CART type of winged open wheeled car that can be > popped into N2002? > -- > David G Fisher >
Can you just imagine how cool Road America or Mid Ohio would look with today's tools? It shivers me spine to think about the possibilities... dave henrie
YES YES YES!!!!!!!! -- ed_ "Goy Larsen" wrote: > In that case.....have you heard about this great road racing series they > have down in Australia ? > > Randy Cassidy wrote: > > Always glad to be of service. :-)
Ed Solheim wrote:
Quoted text (13 lines)> > YES YES YES!!!!!!!! > > -- > ed_ > > "Goy Larsen" wrote: > > > In that case.....have you heard about this great road racing series they > > have down in Australia ? > > > > Randy Cassidy wrote: > > > Always glad to be of service. :-)
At least one person in here with good taste :-) I captured the opening laps (10 mins) of the 94 Bathurst last night, Brock vs Perkins vs Skaife in the wet, if I can find out how to shrink it down from 500+ MB to a more manageable size I'll upload it somewhere Hey, it's my first attempt at this stuff :-) Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy "The Pits" http://www.theuspits.com/ "A man is only as old as the woman he feels" --Groucho Marx--
"Goy Larsen" wrote...
Quoted text (7 lines)> <snip> > I captured the opening laps (10 mins) of the 94 Bathurst > last night, Brock vs Perkins vs Skaife in the wet, if I > can find out how to shrink it down from 500+ MB to a more > manageable size I'll upload it somewhere > > Hey, it's my first attempt at this stuff :-)
Why shrink it? -This is what cable/DSL is for! Just put it in a multi-archive rar, set the split in your newsclient to 250kB and upload it to alt.binaries.autos.simulator to annoy the crap out of the warez people. Jan. =---
GREAT idea Jan ! - :) Jan Verschueren wrote:
Quoted text (16 lines)> > "Goy Larsen" wrote... > > <snip> > > I captured the opening laps (10 mins) of the 94 Bathurst > > last night, Brock vs Perkins vs Skaife in the wet, if I > > can find out how to shrink it down from 500+ MB to a more > > manageable size I'll upload it somewhere > > > > Hey, it's my first attempt at this stuff :-) > > Why shrink it? -This is what cable/DSL is for! Just put it in a > multi-archive rar, set the split in your newsclient to 250kB and upload it > to alt.binaries.autos.simulator to annoy the crap out of the warez people. > > Jan. > =---
-- rgds, Tony
Jan Verschueren wrote:
Quoted text (13 lines)> > "Goy Larsen" wrote... > > <snip> > > I captured the opening laps (10 mins) of the 94 Bathurst > > last night, Brock vs Perkins vs Skaife in the wet, if I > > can find out how to shrink it down from 500+ MB to a more > > manageable size I'll upload it somewhere > > > > Hey, it's my first attempt at this stuff :-) > > Why shrink it? -This is what cable/DSL is for! Just put it in a > multi-archive rar, set the split in your newsclient to 250kB and upload it > to alt.binaries.autos.simulator to annoy the crap out of the warez people.
While I agree with the principle :-), it would still take me 10 hours to upload the stuff, 384/128, and you can bet that file number 1241 will be corrupted for those interested in actually seeing it, so in that case I'd rather upload a 500 MB swapfile and call it Quake4 beta or something :-) I have Pinnacle Studio7 at work, guess I'll have to give that one a go, had a brief look at it, but as with most of these pro programs, it's a bit confusing for a poor bloke just looking to do some simple stuff :-) Yeah yeah I know, RTFM Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy "The Pits" http://www.theuspits.com/ "A man is only as old as the woman he feels" --Groucho Marx--
Dont you have "some" server space at work we could borrow? I'm on a 704kb line so downloading should go pretty fast compared to your uploading speed. As Jan said - I'd love to see it uncompressed. Btw, where did you capture it from? -- ed_ "Goy Larsen" wrote... > > > <snip> > > > I captured the opening laps (10 mins) of the 94 Bathurst > > > last night, Brock vs Perkins vs Skaife in the wet, if I > > > can find out how to shrink it down from 500+ MB to a more > > > manageable size I'll upload it somewhere > > > > > > Hey, it's my first attempt at this stuff :-) > > > > Why shrink it? -This is what cable/DSL is for! Just put it in a > > multi-archive rar, set the split in your newsclient to 250kB and upload it > > to alt.binaries.autos.simulator to annoy the crap out of the warez people.
On Tue, 23 Apr 2002 13:14:59 +0200, "Ed Solheim" <[email hidden]> wrote: >Dont you have "some" server space at work we could borrow? >I'm on a 704kb line so downloading should go pretty fast compared to your >uploading speed. As Jan said - I'd love to see it uncompressed. Converting a movie to divx 5 makes a movie a LOT smaller in size while you don't notice any drops in quality if done right. 500mb for a 10min movie is really a waste of bandwidth :) Andre
Ed Solheim wrote: > > Dont you have "some" server space at work we could borrow? > I'm on a 704kb line so downloading should go pretty fast compared to your > uploading speed. As Jan said - I'd love to see it uncompressed. > > Btw, where did you capture it from? From one of my Bathurst tapes :-), "History of Bathurst" or something like that, 3 180 min tapes from the early days to the present (96 I think) Server space isn't a problem, bandwidth is, having a 500 MB file up for DL would kill any other activity on that line for quite a while Besides, I'm not sure it would lose much in quality, I used an ordinary TV tuner card to record it off my VCR and the tapes aren't the best quality, but I could always burn it to a CD for you if you want it, or you could borrow the tapes, after all I'm due to have look at the Mini again one of these days :-) Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy "The Pits" http://www.theuspits.com/ "A man is only as old as the woman he feels" --Groucho Marx--
Andre Warringa wrote:
Quoted text (11 lines)> > On Tue, 23 Apr 2002 13:14:59 +0200, "Ed Solheim" > <[email hidden]> wrote: > > >Dont you have "some" server space at work we could borrow? > >I'm on a 704kb line so downloading should go pretty fast compared to your > >uploading speed. As Jan said - I'd love to see it uncompressed. > > Converting a movie to divx 5 makes a movie a LOT smaller in size while > you don't notice any drops in quality if done right. 500mb for a 10min > movie is really a waste of bandwidth :)
That's kinda what I thought, now tell me how to do this Andre and I'll promise you a first look...:-) Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy "The Pits" http://www.theuspits.com/ "A man is only as old as the woman he feels" --Groucho Marx--
On Tue, 23 Apr 2002 14:56:31 +0200, Goy Larsen <[email hidden]> wrote: >> Converting a movie to divx 5 makes a movie a LOT smaller in size while >> you don't notice any drops in quality if done right. 500mb for a 10min >> movie is really a waste of bandwidth :) > >That's kinda what I thought, now tell me how to do this Andre and I'll >promise you a first look...:-) I only download porn- err, racingmovies, but never messed with converting movies myself. But I think http://www.divx.com/products is a good place to start! Andre
Andre Warringa wrote:
Quoted text (13 lines)> > On Tue, 23 Apr 2002 14:56:31 +0200, Goy Larsen <[email hidden]> wrote: > > >> Converting a movie to divx 5 makes a movie a LOT smaller in size while > >> you don't notice any drops in quality if done right. 500mb for a 10min > >> movie is really a waste of bandwidth :) > > > >That's kinda what I thought, now tell me how to do this Andre and I'll > >promise you a first look...:-) > > I only download porn- err, racingmovies, but never messed with > converting movies myself. But I think http://www.divx.com/products is > a good place to start!
DOH ! Thx Andre Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy "The Pits" http://www.theuspits.com/ "A man is only as old as the woman he feels" --Groucho Marx--
Hey Goy, this stuff is really pretty easy. All you need is VirtualDub, I can email it to you if you want. Easy to use, converts video to divx, and audio to mp3. Or whatever other format you want. I can give you quick instructions if you like, there are lots of websites that have more detailed info as well. Doesn't take long to learn how to rip an entire 100min DVD into a 700MB divx with minimal quality loss. That does take some processing time mind you :) Rafe Mc On Tue, 23 Apr 2002 14:56:31 +0200, Goy Larsen <[email hidden]> wrote:
Quoted text (26 lines)> > >Andre Warringa wrote: >> >> On Tue, 23 Apr 2002 13:14:59 +0200, "Ed Solheim" >> <[email hidden]> wrote: >> >> >Dont you have "some" server space at work we could borrow? >> >I'm on a 704kb line so downloading should go pretty fast compared to your >> >uploading speed. As Jan said - I'd love to see it uncompressed. >> >> Converting a movie to divx 5 makes a movie a LOT smaller in size while >> you don't notice any drops in quality if done right. 500mb for a 10min >> movie is really a waste of bandwidth :) > >That's kinda what I thought, now tell me how to do this Andre and I'll >promise you a first look...:-) > > >Beers and cheers >(uncle) Goy > >"The Pits" http://www.theuspits.com/ > >"A man is only as old as the woman he feels" >--Groucho Marx--
On Wed, 24 Apr 2002 21:07:58 +1000, Rafe McAuliffe <[email hidden]> wrote: >Hey Goy, this stuff is really pretty easy. All you need is VirtualDub, >I can email it to you if you want. Easy to use, converts video to >divx, and audio to mp3. Or whatever other format you want. Can this VirtualDub be used to split mpeg or avi files into more parts? Andre
Opening laps of 94 Bathurst is now posted here http//www.thenorwaypits.com/temp/94Bath.wmv 25 MB thx to MS's Mediaplayer tools, some quality has been lost, but the original quality was nothing to write home about in the first place, I don't have unlimited bandwidth on this server, so please be patient :-) I'm not sure about copyrights and things on stuff like this, hopefully I won't get a call from some lawyer for posting this clip :-) Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy "The Pits" http://www.theuspits.com/ "A man is only as old as the woman he feels" --Groucho Marx--
Goy Larsen wrote:
Quoted text (14 lines)> > Opening laps of 94 Bathurst is now posted here > > http//www.thenorwaypits.com/temp/94Bath.wmv > > 25 MB thx to MS's Mediaplayer tools, some quality has been lost, but the > original quality was nothing to write home about in the first place, I > don't have unlimited bandwidth on this server, so please be patient :-) > > I'm not sure about copyrights and things on stuff like this, hopefully I > won't get a call from some lawyer for posting this clip :-) > > Beers and cheers > (uncle) Goy
Ooooops http://www.thenorwaypits.com/temp/94Bath.wmv Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy "The Pits" http://www.theuspits.com/ "A man is only as old as the woman he feels" --Groucho Marx--
Rafe McAuliffe wrote:
Quoted text (7 lines)> > Hey Goy, this stuff is really pretty easy. All you need is VirtualDub, > I can email it to you if you want. Easy to use, converts video to > divx, and audio to mp3. Or whatever other format you want. > > I can give you quick instructions if you like, there are lots of > websites that have more detailed info as well.
That would be very cool Rafe, a few pointers to web sites to get me started would be much appreciated, you can use this addy, yes, I've finally gotten DSL here :-) I did this one using the WindowsMediaPlayer tools from MS, very easy to use, but also a bit limited in the options perhaps, but perfect for this particular job, however I'm always eager to learn something new and I've been kinda bitten by the video bug now :-), wonder how long it will take before I replace this ElCheapo cpature/tuner card with something decent.... > Doesn't take long to learn how to rip an entire 100min DVD into a > 700MB divx with minimal quality loss. That does take some processing > time mind you :) Oh, I have a few CPU cycles to spare.....:-), currently there are about 15 servers/PC's here donating their spare CPU cycles to UD (www.ud.com), might as well put them to good use :-) Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy "The Pits" http://www.theuspits.com/ "A man is only as old as the woman he feels" --Groucho Marx--
In article <[email hidden]>, "Jan Verschueren" <[email hidden]> writes: >Why shrink it? -This is what cable/DSL is for! Just put it in a >multi-archive rar, set the split in your newsclient to 250kB and upload it >to alt.binaries.autos.simulator to annoy the crap out of the warez people. And how would you download such a thing without a 'split-aware' client? Eldred -- Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett A friend of mine is involved in a fund-raiser walk-a-thon for research to cure breast cancer. If you can, please go to my homepage and see how to make a donation. Thank you. Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.
EldredP wrote:
Quoted text (9 lines)> > In article <[email hidden]>, "Jan Verschueren" > <[email hidden]> writes: > > >Why shrink it? -This is what cable/DSL is for! Just put it in a > >multi-archive rar, set the split in your newsclient to 250kB and upload it > >to alt.binaries.autos.simulator to annoy the crap out of the warez people. > > And how would you download such a thing without a 'split-aware' client?
Easy, you'd click on this link... http://www.thenorwaypits.com/temp/94Bath.wmv :-) Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy "The Pits" http://www.theuspits.com/ "A man is only as old as the woman he feels" --Groucho Marx--
"EldredP" wrote... > <snip> > And how would you download such a thing without a 'split-aware' client? > By recombining the parts... is there one newslcient on the planet which can't do this? -Ok, it's a pain in OE, but Agent, e.g., handles that sort of thing very well. Jan. =---
>Can this VirtualDub be used to split mpeg or avi files into more >parts? > >Andre Yep, no problems with all that stuff. You just select where you want it to start and end, chop bits off, whatever. Rafe Mc
Quoted text (11 lines)>That would be very cool Rafe, a few pointers to web sites to get me >started would be much appreciated, you can use this addy, yes, I've >finally gotten DSL here :-) > >I did this one using the WindowsMediaPlayer tools from MS, very easy to >use, but also a bit limited in the options perhaps, but perfect for this >particular job, however I'm always eager to learn something new and I've >been kinda bitten by the video bug now :-), wonder how long it will take >before I replace this ElCheapo cpature/tuner card with something >decent.... >
http://nickyguides.digital-digest.com/makefilm.htm That is the complete guide to video editing, very comprehensive and easily explained. Lots of tools, you can even use a program to be able to jump between the high motion codec and low motion one automatically, to produce the best of both worlds. Depends how long you want to spend on this stuff of course :) Got to http://www.virtualdub.org/ to get virtualdub, a great little program and its free too! Easy to use, although you will need the radium mp3 codecs to get higher mp3 bitrates (like higher than 28 Kbs I think). They are included in the divx 3.11 alpha release, and overwritten with the newer divx releases I believe.
Quoted text (7 lines)>> Doesn't take long to learn how to rip an entire 100min DVD into a >> 700MB divx with minimal quality loss. That does take some processing >> time mind you :) > >Oh, I have a few CPU cycles to spare.....:-), currently there are about >15 servers/PC's here donating their spare CPU cycles to UD (www.ud.com), >might as well put them to good use :-)
Well that sounds good, it can take 4 + hours to rip an entire DVD on an Athlon 700, sounds like your setup would have no problems :) Rafe Mc
In article <[email hidden]>, "Jan Verschueren" <[email hidden]> writes:
Quoted text (8 lines)>"EldredP" wrote... >> <snip> >> And how would you download such a thing without a 'split-aware' client? >> > >By recombining the parts... is there one newslcient on the planet which >can't do this? -Ok, it's a pain in OE, but Agent, e.g., handles that sort of >thing very well.
Every time I've been tempted to use Agent, it doesn't do something that I need to do at the time. I usually try the free version, so maybe that's the problem. But the free version has thus far failed to convince me that the retail version is worthwhile... Eldred -- Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett A friend of mine is involved in a fund-raiser walk-a-thon for research to cure breast cancer. If you can, please go to my homepage and see how to make a donation. Thank you. Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.
Whopping good show Goy! This tape I gotta copy! Care to trade it for a copy of the 1988 race? -- ed_ "Goy Larsen" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > > Opening laps of 94 Bathurst is now posted here > > http//www.thenorwaypits.com/temp/94Bath.wmv > > 25 MB thx to MS's Mediaplayer tools, some quality has been lost, but the > original quality was nothing to write home about in the first place, I > don't have unlimited bandwidth on this server, so please be patient :-) > > I'm not sure about copyrights and things on stuff like this, hopefully I > won't get a call from some lawyer for posting this clip :-) > > > Beers and cheers > (uncle) Goy > > "The Pits" http://www.theuspits.com/ > > "A man is only as old as the woman he feels" > --Groucho Marx--
Ed Solheim wrote: > > Whopping good show Goy! > > This tape I gotta copy! Care to trade it for a copy of the 1988 race? Oh I think we can arrange something :-) Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy "The Pits" http://www.theuspits.com/ "A man is only as old as the woman he feels" --Groucho Marx--
On Thu, 25 Apr 2002 08:58:05 +0200, Goy Larsen <[email hidden]> wrote: > > >Rafe McAuliffe wrote: >> > >Thx Rafe, I'll look into this stuff asap :-) Thanks from me too, very helpfull links! Andre
On 25 Apr 2002 02:06:01 GMT, [email hidden] (EldredP) wrote: >Every time I've been tempted to use Agent, it doesn't do something that I need >to do at the time. I usually try the free version, so maybe that's the >problem. But the free version has thus far failed to convince me that the >retail version is worthwhile... > >Eldred What are you using now? I hope you're not using OE.. that's a nightmare to use for newsgroups. The retail version of Agent is better than the free version, but I use Free Agent at work and for a free program I think it's also extremely good. You do have to get used to all the options a bit though. Andre
Andre Warringa wrote:
Quoted text (15 lines)> > On 25 Apr 2002 02:06:01 GMT, [email hidden] (EldredP) wrote: > > >Every time I've been tempted to use Agent, it doesn't do something that I need > >to do at the time. I usually try the free version, so maybe that's the > >problem. But the free version has thus far failed to convince me that the > >retail version is worthwhile... > > > >Eldred > > What are you using now? I hope you're not using OE.. that's a > nightmare to use for newsgroups. The retail version of Agent is better > than the free version, but I use Free Agent at work and for a free > program I think it's also extremely good. You do have to get used to > all the options a bit though.
Oh the irony.....:-) Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy "The Pits" http://www.theuspits.com/ "A man is only as old as the woman he feels" --Groucho Marx--
In article <[email hidden]>, Goy Larsen <[email hidden]> writes: >> And how would you download such a thing without a 'split-aware' client? > >Easy, you'd click on this link... > >http://www.thenorwaypits.com/temp/94Bath.wmv > Whoa...serious buffering issues. I'll have to try it later - thanks. Eldred -- Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett A friend of mine is involved in a fund-raiser walk-a-thon for research to cure breast cancer. If you can, please go to my homepage and see how to make a donation. Thank you. Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.
EldredP 25 Apr 2002 16:50 UTC#529184
>> And how would you download such a thing without a 'split-aware' client? >Easy, you'd click on this link... >http://www.thenorwaypits.com/temp/94Bath.wmv Whoa...serious buffering issues. I'll have to try it later - thanks. Eldred -- Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett A friend of mine is involved in a fund-raiser walk-a-thon for research to cure *** cancer. If you can, please go to my homepage and see how to make a donation. Thank you. Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.
EldredP wrote:
Quoted text (11 lines)> > In article <[email hidden]>, Goy Larsen <[email hidden]> writes: > > >> And how would you download such a thing without a 'split-aware' client? > > > >Easy, you'd click on this link... > > > >http://www.thenorwaypits.com/temp/94Bath.wmv > > > > Whoa...serious buffering issues. I'll have to try it later - thanks.
The server is very bandwidth limited, so save it to your HD rather than streaming it Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy "The Pits" http://www.theuspits.com/ "A man is only as old as the woman he feels" --Groucho Marx--
On Thu, 25 Apr 2002 17:53:05 +0200, Goy Larsen <[email hidden]> wrote:
Quoted text (7 lines)>> What are you using now? I hope you're not using OE.. that's a >> nightmare to use for newsgroups. The retail version of Agent is better >> than the free version, but I use Free Agent at work and for a free >> program I think it's also extremely good. You do have to get used to >> all the options a bit though. > >Oh the irony.....:-)
I wasn't talking to you Goy :) Andre
On Thu, 25 Apr 2002 19:12:10 +0200, Goy Larsen <[email hidden]> wrote: >> Whoa...serious buffering issues. I'll have to try it later - thanks. > >The server is very bandwidth limited, so save it to your HD rather than >streaming it I could watch it streaming without a problem. Great video, more more more! Andre
Andre Warringa wrote:
Quoted text (12 lines)> > On Thu, 25 Apr 2002 17:53:05 +0200, Goy Larsen <[email hidden]> wrote: > > >> What are you using now? I hope you're not using OE.. that's a > >> nightmare to use for newsgroups. The retail version of Agent is better > >> than the free version, but I use Free Agent at work and for a free > >> program I think it's also extremely good. You do have to get used to > >> all the options a bit though. > > > >Oh the irony.....:-) > > I wasn't talking to you Goy :)
I agree with you though, when I stopped using Netscape for surfing, I looked into using OE for mail and news, and although I think it's a decent mail program, for my use, it's next to useless for news groups.....either that or I'm too dumb to figure it out :-), so I've kept Netscape for mail and news (hate using different progs), which also saves me from from these worm viruses as well :-) Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy "The Pits" http://www.theuspits.com/ "A man is only as old as the woman he feels" --Groucho Marx--
Andre Warringa wrote:
Quoted text (10 lines)> > On Thu, 25 Apr 2002 19:12:10 +0200, Goy Larsen <[email hidden]> wrote: > > >> Whoa...serious buffering issues. I'll have to try it later - thanks. > > > >The server is very bandwidth limited, so save it to your HD rather than > >streaming it > > I could watch it streaming without a problem. Great video, more more > more!
Thx, guess I'll have to really start looking through those tapes again :-) Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy "The Pits" http://www.theuspits.com/ "A man is only as old as the woman he feels" --Groucho Marx--
On Fri, 26 Apr 2002 10:40:54 +0200, Goy Larsen <[email hidden]> wrote: >I agree with you though, when I stopped using Netscape for surfing, I >looked into using OE for mail and news, and although I think it's a >decent mail program, for my use, it's next to useless for news >groups.....either that or I'm too dumb to figure it out :-), so I've >kept Netscape for mail and news (hate using different progs), which also >saves me from from these worm viruses as well :-) At work I'm using Outlook 2000, and seriously, that's a wonderfull piece of software. Unfortunately it takes a lot of work to make Outlook more or less virus-resistant :-/ So at home I use IE 6 for browsing, Agent for newsgroups and Eudora for email (not that Eudora is so special - but I've been using it since the first release so it's more out of tradition :) A newsreader that is really great for downloading many and/or large binary files from usenet is Grabit. You can have multiple downloads with Grabit, something you can't do with Agent afaik. Get it from www.cnet.com, it's free. And it's not your dumbness - OE is really a piece of crap to use for newsgroups :) Andre
Andre Warringa wrote:
Quoted text (24 lines)> > On Fri, 26 Apr 2002 10:40:54 +0200, Goy Larsen <[email hidden]> wrote: > > >I agree with you though, when I stopped using Netscape for surfing, I > >looked into using OE for mail and news, and although I think it's a > >decent mail program, for my use, it's next to useless for news > >groups.....either that or I'm too dumb to figure it out :-), so I've > >kept Netscape for mail and news (hate using different progs), which also > >saves me from from these worm viruses as well :-) > > At work I'm using Outlook 2000, and seriously, that's a wonderfull > piece of software. Unfortunately it takes a lot of work to make > Outlook more or less virus-resistant :-/ > So at home I use IE 6 for browsing, Agent for newsgroups and Eudora > for email (not that Eudora is so special - but I've been using it > since the first release so it's more out of tradition :) > > A newsreader that is really great for downloading many and/or large > binary files from usenet is Grabit. You can have multiple downloads > with Grabit, something you can't do with Agent afaik. Get it from > www.cnet.com, it's free. > > And it's not your dumbness - OE is really a piece of crap to use for > newsgroups :)
Phew.... Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy "The Pits" http://www.theuspits.com/ "A man is only as old as the woman he feels" --Groucho Marx--
In article <[email hidden]>, Goy Larsen <[email hidden]> writes: >> Whoa...serious buffering issues. I'll have to try it later - thanks. > >The server is very bandwidth limited, so save it to your HD rather than >streaming it When I went to the link(cut and paste) it started to play automatically. How can I save it? Eldred -- Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett A friend of mine is involved in a fund-raiser walk-a-thon for research to cure breast cancer. If you can, please go to my homepage and see how to make a donation. Thank you. Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.
In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden] (EldredP) writes:
Quoted text (9 lines)>In article <[email hidden]>, Goy Larsen <[email hidden]> writes: > >>> Whoa...serious buffering issues. I'll have to try it later - thanks. >> >>The server is very bandwidth limited, so save it to your HD rather than >>streaming it > >When I went to the link(cut and paste) it started to play automatically. How >can I save it?
Nevermind - Netscape let me save it...IE didn't.<shrug> Eldred -- Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett A friend of mine is involved in a fund-raiser walk-a-thon for research to cure breast cancer. If you can, please go to my homepage and see how to make a donation. Thank you. Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.
In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden] (Andre Warringa) writes: >What are you using now? I hope you're not using OE.. that's a >nightmare to use for newsgroups. The retail version of Agent is better >than the free version, but I use Free Agent at work and for a free >program I think it's also extremely good. You do have to get used to >all the options a bit though. I'm using the newsreader in AOL. I can download all the messages, respond offline, then upload. Eldred -- Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett A friend of mine is involved in a fund-raiser walk-a-thon for research to cure breast cancer. If you can, please go to my homepage and see how to make a donation. Thank you. Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.
On 25 Apr 2002 02:06:01 GMT, EldredP <[email hidden]> wrote: > > Every time I've been tempted to use Agent, it doesn't do something that I need > to do at the time. I usually try the free version, so maybe that's the > problem. But the free version has thus far failed to convince me that the > retail version is worthwhile... Try slrn. I think there even is a windows version. Best newsreader on the planet (followed closely by trn). Cheers, Uwe -- Uwe Schuerkamp //////////////////////////// http://www.schuerkamp.de/ Herford, Germany \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ (52.0N/8.5E) PGP Fingerprint: 2E 13 20 22 9A 3F 63 7F 67 6F E9 B1 A8 36 A4 61
> > Every time I've been tempted to use Agent, it doesn't do something thatI need > > to do at the time. I usually try the free version, so maybe that's the > > problem. But the free version has thus far failed to convince me thatthe
Quoted text (8 lines)> > retail version is worthwhile... > > Try slrn. I think there even is a windows version. Best > newsreader on the planet (followed closely by trn). > > Cheers, > > Uwe
If Unix-variants (Linux, etc.) ever want to make it into the mainstream world in a big way, they should employ a marketing team to rename some of their utilities and/or applications. You wanna sell a newsreader to Joe Everybody? Don't name it "slrn" or "trn" ;) And don't get me started on grep...
On Thu, 16 May 2002 18:20:10 GMT, Rob Adams <[email hidden]> wrote: > > If Unix-variants (Linux, etc.) ever want to make it into the mainstream > world in a big way, they should employ a marketing team to rename some of > their utilities and/or applications. You wanna sell a newsreader to Joe > Everybody? Don't name it "slrn" or "trn" ;) > There's no need to sell it in this particular case because it's free ;-) Anyway, you get the graphical varieties of "Knode" and "Pan" and whatnot, those are "reasonably" named. BTW, I'm looking forward to dicing it out with Uncle Goy at Bristol and the Glen tomorrow. He's driving the FreeBSD car, I'm the one in the blue fat Tux. Should be fun! Have you noticed nobody ever puts MS logos on their cars? They might crash! ;-) Cheers, uwe -- Uwe Schuerkamp //////////////////////////// http://www.schuerkamp.de/ Herford, Germany \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ (52.0N/8.5E) PGP Fingerprint: 2E 13 20 22 9A 3F 63 7F 67 6F E9 B1 A8 36 A4 61
Uwe Schuerkamp wrote:
Quoted text (20 lines)> > On Thu, 16 May 2002 18:20:10 GMT, Rob Adams <[email hidden]> wrote: > > > > If Unix-variants (Linux, etc.) ever want to make it into the mainstream > > world in a big way, they should employ a marketing team to rename some of > > their utilities and/or applications. You wanna sell a newsreader to Joe > > Everybody? Don't name it "slrn" or "trn" ;) > > > > There's no need to sell it in this particular case because it's > free ;-) > > Anyway, you get the graphical varieties of "Knode" and "Pan" > and whatnot, those are "reasonably" named. > > BTW, I'm looking forward to dicing it out with Uncle Goy at > Bristol and the Glen tomorrow. He's driving the FreeBSD car, > I'm the one in the blue fat Tux. Should be fun! Have you > noticed nobody ever puts MS logos on their cars? They might > crash! ;-)
I wouldn't be caught dead in the FreeBSD car, John's artwork looks like crap as usual, I think you've got your uncles mixed up.....:-), I'll be in the Castrol Chevy though, with a little luck Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy http://www.theuspits.com "A man is only as old as the woman he feels........" --Groucho Marx--
Uwe Schuerkamp wrote: > BTW, I'm looking forward to dicing it out with Uncle Goy at > Bristol and the Glen tomorrow. He's driving the FreeBSD car, > I'm the one in the blue fat Tux. Should be fun! Have you > noticed nobody ever puts MS logos on their cars? They might > crash! ;-) Wrong uncle. The good-looking one drives the FreeBSD car. ;-) Hope to be home in time to make the race, but don't know for sure. Bite me, Goy. John's artwork is top notch. :-) -- Fester "The Ferrari is a tainted vehicle and Formula 1 is no longer a sport. If they had instructed me to do the same I would have told them to stuff it." -- Stirling Moss
On Fri, 17 May 2002 23:53:47 GMT, Uncle Fester <[email hidden]> wrote: > > > Wrong uncle. The good-looking one drives the FreeBSD car. ;-) Hope to > be home in time to make the race, but don't know for sure. > > Bite me, Goy. John's artwork is top notch. :-) LOL! Sorry for mixing up my uncles. Shoulda taken a hint from "Festus", but I guess it was too late to note the difference! Cheers, uwe -- Uwe Schuerkamp //////////////////////////// http://www.schuerkamp.de/ Herford, Germany \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ (52.0N/8.5E) PGP Fingerprint: 2E 13 20 22 9A 3F 63 7F 67 6F E9 B1 A8 36 A4 61
Uncle Fester wrote:
Quoted text (13 lines)> > Uwe Schuerkamp wrote: > > > BTW, I'm looking forward to dicing it out with Uncle Goy at > > Bristol and the Glen tomorrow. He's driving the FreeBSD car, > > I'm the one in the blue fat Tux. Should be fun! Have you > > noticed nobody ever puts MS logos on their cars? They might > > crash! ;-) > > Wrong uncle. The good-looking one drives the FreeBSD car. ;-) Hope to > be home in time to make the race, but don't know for sure. > > Bite me, Goy. John's artwork is top notch. :-)
Yes it is Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy http://www.theuspits.com "A man is only as old as the woman he feels........" --Groucho Marx--

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