Rascar at Homestead

Well, I'm glad I decided to sit out Tally and run Homestead this week, Tally is often....well......just like you guys have described today's race. It's Monza-like. Homestead, on the other hand, was plagued by the normal early race caution jitters, then settled into a nice run to the end. For my part, I was able to qualify towards the front and ran the first half in the top 5, thru most of the cautions, without incident......'cept for having to dodge Dave when he looped it :^) Right before halfway we had the last caution of the race, and I lined up 6th for the restart, rolled in to turn 1 and suddenly everyone sorta stopped and let me thru, went into t3 in 2nd place and had caught the leader going back into t1, and that's the end of the good part, exiting 2 I hooked the apron and it tried to come around on me, I was able to save it but got back in line dead last, spent the rest of the race getting back up to 5th, before my badly abused tires forced me to relinquish 5th to Jan.....all in all an enjoyable racing experience, where we going next week? -- Ed White 'Just a little loose off'

"Ed White" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:xnIy8.35532$[email hidden]... > Well, I'm glad I decided to sit out Tally and run Homestead this week,Tally > is often....well......just like you guys have described today's race. It's > Monza-like. Homestead, on the other hand, was plagued by the normal early > race caution jitters, then settled into a nice run to the end. For mypart, > I was able to qualify towards the front and ran the first half in the top5, > thru most of the cautions, without incident......'cept for having to dodge > Dave when he looped it :^) Hey, that's the first yellow I caused in 12 RASCAR races. :-) Yep, I simply looped it and have no excuses. > Right before halfway we had the last caution of > the race, and I lined up 6th for the restart, rolled in to turn 1 and > suddenly everyone sorta stopped and let me thru, went into t3 in 2nd place > and had caught the leader going back into t1, and that's the end of thegood > part, exiting 2 I hooked the apron and it tried to come around on me, Iwas > able to save it but got back in line dead last, spent the rest of the race > getting back up to 5th, before my badly abused tires forced me torelinquish > 5th to Jan.....all in all an enjoyable racing experience, where we going > next week? I retired but watched the race, and saw you and Jan going at it along with Ian and Colin for first and second. Excellent racing. I have a question. Can anyone explain to me why I was given a 15 second stop and go penalty on lap 17 at Homestead? I pulled into pit lane from the back stretch under yellow (pits were open), and simply drove to the pits. After I did my pit stop I was told I received the penalty (I think he said something about passing under yellow) but I can't imagine what I could of done wrong. I was on pit road, so how could I of passed anyone still on the track following the pace car? That penalty put me a lap down and ruined the race for me. I can send someone a clipped replay if they are willing to check it out and let me know if it was actually a penalty or a game error. David G Fisher

You probably passed someone on the track, while you were approaching the pits themselves. Send me a clip if you want. -John "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:EWJy8.222022$%[email hidden]... > > "Ed White" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:xnIy8.35532$[email hidden]... > > Well, I'm glad I decided to sit out Tally and run Homestead this week, > Tally > > is often....well......just like you guys have described today's race.It's > > Monza-like. Homestead, on the other hand, was plagued by the normalearly > > race caution jitters, then settled into a nice run to the end. For my > part, > > I was able to qualify towards the front and ran the first half in thetop > 5, > > thru most of the cautions, without incident......'cept for having tododge > > Dave when he looped it :^) > > Hey, that's the first yellow I caused in 12 RASCAR races. :-) Yep, Isimply > looped it and have no excuses. > > > Right before halfway we had the last caution of > > the race, and I lined up 6th for the restart, rolled in to turn 1 and > > suddenly everyone sorta stopped and let me thru, went into t3 in 2ndplace > > and had caught the leader going back into t1, and that's the end of the > good > > part, exiting 2 I hooked the apron and it tried to come around on me, I > was > > able to save it but got back in line dead last, spent the rest of therace

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> > getting back up to 5th, before my badly abused tires forced me to > relinquish > > 5th to Jan.....all in all an enjoyable racing experience, where we going > > next week? > > I retired but watched the race, and saw you and Jan going at it along with > Ian and Colin for first and second. Excellent racing. > > I have a question. Can anyone explain to me why I was given a 15 second

stop > and go penalty on lap 17 at Homestead? I pulled into pit lane from theback > stretch under yellow (pits were open), and simply drove to the pits. AfterI > did my pit stop I was told I received the penalty (I think he saidsomething > about passing under yellow) but I can't imagine what I could of donewrong. > I was on pit road, so how could I of passed anyone still on the track > following the pace car? That penalty put me a lap down and ruined the race > for me. I can send someone a clipped replay if they are willing to checkit > out and let me know if it was actually a penalty or a game error. > > David G Fisher > > >

By this I mean, they were still on the track, you weren't (going to the pits), and passed them. -John "John Pancoast" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> You probably passed someone on the track, while you were approaching the > pits themselves. > > Send me a clip if you want. > > -John > > "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:EWJy8.222022$%[email hidden]... > > > > "Ed White" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:xnIy8.35532$[email hidden]... > > > Well, I'm glad I decided to sit out Tally and run Homestead this week, > > Tally > > > is often....well......just like you guys have described today's race. > It's > > > Monza-like. Homestead, on the other hand, was plagued by the normal > early > > > race caution jitters, then settled into a nice run to the end. For my > > part, > > > I was able to qualify towards the front and ran the first half in the > top > > 5, > > > thru most of the cautions, without incident......'cept for having to > dodge > > > Dave when he looped it :^) > > > > Hey, that's the first yellow I caused in 12 RASCAR races. :-) Yep, I > simply > > looped it and have no excuses. > > > > > Right before halfway we had the last caution of > > > the race, and I lined up 6th for the restart, rolled in to turn 1 and > > > suddenly everyone sorta stopped and let me thru, went into t3 in 2nd > place > > > and had caught the leader going back into t1, and that's the end of

the > > good > > > part, exiting 2 I hooked the apron and it tried to come around on me,I > > was > > > able to save it but got back in line dead last, spent the rest of the > race > > > getting back up to 5th, before my badly abused tires forced me to > > relinquish > > > 5th to Jan.....all in all an enjoyable racing experience, where wegoing > > > next week? > > > > I retired but watched the race, and saw you and Jan going at it alongwith

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> > Ian and Colin for first and second. Excellent racing. > > > > I have a question. Can anyone explain to me why I was given a 15 second > stop > > and go penalty on lap 17 at Homestead? I pulled into pit lane from the > back > > stretch under yellow (pits were open), and simply drove to the pits.

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> I > > did my pit stop I was told I received the penalty (I think he said > something > > about passing under yellow) but I can't imagine what I could of done > wrong. > > I was on pit road, so how could I of passed anyone still on the track > > following the pace car? That penalty put me a lap down and ruined the

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> > for me. I can send someone a clipped replay if they are willing to check > it > > out and let me know if it was actually a penalty or a game error. > > > > David G Fisher > > > > > > > >

I looked, and I didn't pass anyone before I entered pit lane. Replay is on it's way. David G Fisher "John Pancoast" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> By this I mean, they were still on the track, you weren't (going to the > pits), and passed them. > > -John > > > "John Pancoast" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > You probably passed someone on the track, while you were approaching the > > pits themselves. > > > > Send me a clip if you want. > > > > -John > > > > "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:EWJy8.222022$%[email hidden]... > > > > > > "Ed White" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > news:xnIy8.35532$[email hidden]... > > > > Well, I'm glad I decided to sit out Tally and run Homestead this

week, > > > Tally > > > > is often....well......just like you guys have described today'srace. > > It's > > > > Monza-like. Homestead, on the other hand, was plagued by the normal > > early > > > > race caution jitters, then settled into a nice run to the end. Formy > > > part, > > > > I was able to qualify towards the front and ran the first half inthe

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> > top > > > 5, > > > > thru most of the cautions, without incident......'cept for having to > > dodge > > > > Dave when he looped it :^) > > > > > > Hey, that's the first yellow I caused in 12 RASCAR races. :-) Yep, I > > simply > > > looped it and have no excuses. > > > > > > > Right before halfway we had the last caution of > > > > the race, and I lined up 6th for the restart, rolled in to turn 1

and > > > > suddenly everyone sorta stopped and let me thru, went into t3 in 2nd > > place > > > > and had caught the leader going back into t1, and that's the end of > the > > > good > > > > part, exiting 2 I hooked the apron and it tried to come around onme, > I > > > was > > > > able to save it but got back in line dead last, spent the rest ofthe

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> > race > > > > getting back up to 5th, before my badly abused tires forced me to > > > relinquish > > > > 5th to Jan.....all in all an enjoyable racing experience, where we > going > > > > next week? > > > > > > I retired but watched the race, and saw you and Jan going at it along > with > > > Ian and Colin for first and second. Excellent racing. > > > > > > I have a question. Can anyone explain to me why I was given a 15

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> > stop > > > and go penalty on lap 17 at Homestead? I pulled into pit lane from the > > back > > > stretch under yellow (pits were open), and simply drove to the pits. > After > > I > > > did my pit stop I was told I received the penalty (I think he said > > something > > > about passing under yellow) but I can't imagine what I could of done > > wrong. > > > I was on pit road, so how could I of passed anyone still on the track > > > following the pace car? That penalty put me a lap down and ruined the > race > > > for me. I can send someone a clipped replay if they are willing to

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> > it > > > out and let me know if it was actually a penalty or a game error. > > > > > > David G Fisher > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

In article <EWJy8.222022$%[email hidden]>, "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> writes:

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>I have a question. Can anyone explain to me why I was given a 15 second stop >and go penalty on lap 17 at Homestead? I pulled into pit lane from the back >stretch under yellow (pits were open), and simply drove to the pits. After I >did my pit stop I was told I received the penalty (I think he said something >about passing under yellow) but I can't imagine what I could of done wrong. >I was on pit road, so how could I of passed anyone still on the track >following the pace car? That penalty put me a lap down and ruined the race >for me. I can send someone a clipped replay if they are willing to check it >out and let me know if it was actually a penalty or a game error.

I dunno - I got one the first race(Tally). My spotter kept alternating between saying "pass the 19 car"(you - 5 cars ahead) and "stay behind the ## car"(several cars behind me. I got a black flag for passing under yellow. Grrr... Eldred -- Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett A friend of mine is involved in a fund-raiser walk-a-thon for research to cure breast cancer. If you can, please go to my homepage and see how to make a donation. Thank you. Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

In article <xnIy8.35532$[email hidden]>, "Ed White" <[email hidden]> writes: >5th to Jan.....all in all an enjoyable racing experience, where we going >next week? We might not - I'm not happy about the way the Tally race went... :( Maybe we need more than one week to practice for these... Eldred -- Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett A friend of mine is involved in a fund-raiser walk-a-thon for research to cure breast cancer. If you can, please go to my homepage and see how to make a donation. Thank you. Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

Actually, you passed everyone<G> Even when going to the pits, you can't pass those that stay on the track, and vice versa. You needed to stay "behind"(via F2 screen since he couldn't be seen) Tony in this case. -John "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:KyKy8.44166$[email hidden]...

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> I looked, and I didn't pass anyone before I entered pit lane. Replay is on > it's way. > > David G Fisher > > "John Pancoast" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > By this I mean, they were still on the track, you weren't (going to

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> > pits), and passed them. > > > > -John > > > > > > "John Pancoast" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:[email hidden]... > > > You probably passed someone on the track, while you were approaching

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> > > pits themselves. > > > > > > Send me a clip if you want. > > > > > > -John > > > > > > "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > news:EWJy8.222022$%[email hidden]... > > > > > > > > "Ed White" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > > news:xnIy8.35532$[email hidden]... > > > > > Well, I'm glad I decided to sit out Tally and run Homestead this > week, > > > > Tally > > > > > is often....well......just like you guys have described today's > race. > > > It's > > > > > Monza-like. Homestead, on the other hand, was plagued by the

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> > > early > > > > > race caution jitters, then settled into a nice run to the end. For > my > > > > part, > > > > > I was able to qualify towards the front and ran the first half in > the > > > top > > > > 5, > > > > > thru most of the cautions, without incident......'cept for having

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> > > dodge > > > > > Dave when he looped it :^) > > > > > > > > Hey, that's the first yellow I caused in 12 RASCAR races. :-) Yep, I > > > simply > > > > looped it and have no excuses. > > > > > > > > > Right before halfway we had the last caution of > > > > > the race, and I lined up 6th for the restart, rolled in to turn 1 > and > > > > > suddenly everyone sorta stopped and let me thru, went into t3 in

2nd > > > place > > > > > and had caught the leader going back into t1, and that's the endof

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> > the > > > > good > > > > > part, exiting 2 I hooked the apron and it tried to come around on > me, > > I > > > > was > > > > > able to save it but got back in line dead last, spent the rest of > the > > > race > > > > > getting back up to 5th, before my badly abused tires forced me to > > > > relinquish > > > > > 5th to Jan.....all in all an enjoyable racing experience, where we > > going > > > > > next week? > > > > > > > > I retired but watched the race, and saw you and Jan going at it

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> > with > > > > Ian and Colin for first and second. Excellent racing. > > > > > > > > I have a question. Can anyone explain to me why I was given a 15 > second > > > stop > > > > and go penalty on lap 17 at Homestead? I pulled into pit lane from

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> > > back > > > > stretch under yellow (pits were open), and simply drove to the pits. > > After > > > I > > > > did my pit stop I was told I received the penalty (I think he said > > > something > > > > about passing under yellow) but I can't imagine what I could of done > > > wrong. > > > > I was on pit road, so how could I of passed anyone still on the

track > > > > following the pace car? That penalty put me a lap down and ruinedthe

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> > race > > > > for me. I can send someone a clipped replay if they are willing to > check > > > it > > > > out and let me know if it was actually a penalty or a game error. > > > > > > > > David G Fisher > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

Please dont say that a pleae lets not all go and do just that.... If we start treathing this as "real" races - things will get nasty... Can't we please keep this on a "fun-level"? But that I mean that other than knowing/learning the track and having a car-setup you feel comfortable with - there should be no point in practicing... Once we reach the "oh, I must practice for my RASCAR race level... - the fun's all over for many of us I think.. -- ed_ "EldredP" said: > We might not - I'm not happy about the way the Tally race went... :( > Maybe we need more than one week to practice for these...

"John Pancoast" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Actually, you passed everyone<G> Even when going to the pits, you can't > pass those that stay on the track, and vice versa. You needed to stay > "behind"(via F2 screen since he couldn't be seen) Tony in this case. > > -John > I considered that was the case, but it's such a stupid way to pit I didn't think it could be true. :-) David G Fisher

Its his server man... if it gets rid of the guys that dont practice then im all for it "Ed Solheim" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:cCMy8.7097$[email hidden]... > Please dont say that a pleae lets not all go and do just that.... > If we start treathing this as "real" races - things will get nasty...Can't

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> we please keep this on a "fun-level"? > > But that I mean that other than knowing/learning the track and having a > car-setup you feel comfortable with - there should be no point in > practicing... > > Once we reach the "oh, I must practice for my RASCAR race level... - the > fun's all over for many of us I think.. > > -- > ed_ > > "EldredP" said: > > We might not - I'm not happy about the way the Tally race went... :( > > Maybe we need more than one week to practice for these... > > >

It takes a little getting used to, especially on the tracks with an access road. But it makes sense, and is an actual rule. Otherwise, those that pit would be pitting after/behind you, even though they were ahead of you on the track. -John "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:HCMy8.124156$[email hidden]... > > "John Pancoast" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > Actually, you passed everyone<G> Even when going to the pits, youcan't

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> > pass those that stay on the track, and vice versa. You needed to stay > > "behind"(via F2 screen since he couldn't be seen) Tony in this case. > > > > -John > > > > I considered that was the case, but it's such a stupid way to pit I didn't > think it could be true. :-) > > David G Fisher > >

Some leagues have a minimum speed. If you cannot achieve the minimum speed in practice, you should not qual and race. The minimum can be posted prior to the event. The F2 screen will show during practice who has learned the track and can run the minimum speed. Minimum can be whatever you decide. Would 37.xxx seconds have been a good minimum for Homestead at 70 degrees? On the other hand, to keep the "fun level" up, maybe everyone should be allowed to race everywhere regardless of proficiency. -- Robert Huggins [email hidden] "drink" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:WJMy8.79101$[email hidden]... > Its his server man... if it gets rid of the guys that dont practice then im > all for it > > "Ed Solheim" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:cCMy8.7097$[email hidden]... > > Please dont say that a pleae lets not all go and do just that.... > > If we start treathing this as "real" races - things will get nasty... > Can't > > we please keep this on a "fun-level"? > > > > But that I mean that other than knowing/learning the track and having a > > car-setup you feel comfortable with - there should be no point in > > practicing... > > > > Once we reach the "oh, I must practice for my RASCAR race level... - the > > fun's all over for many of us I think.. > > > > -- > > ed_ > > > > "EldredP" said: > > > We might not - I'm not happy about the way the Tally race went... :( > > > Maybe we need more than one week to practice for these... > > > > > > > > >

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> > "John Pancoast" wrote: > > Actually, you passed everyone<G> Even when going to the pits, you can't > > pass those that stay on the track, and vice versa. You needed to stay > > "behind"(via F2 screen since he couldn't be seen) Tony in this case. > > > I considered that was the case, but it's such a stupid way to pit I didn't > think it could be true. :-)

If I could only type and drive, David, I would have warned you! I could see you go past me as you went down the pit lane and got way ahead of me and the car in front. My F2 screen still showed you ahead at the s/f line. Perhaps I will map a suitable comment to a wheel button. I certainly didn't need to tell lapped traffic I would be passing low in that race :-) I got damaged early on and got the dreaded "we've got problems with that motor" message. Down on power after that and decided to call it a day after getting swamped at the restarts. Still, progress is being made - I could see the pace car at the start of this race having qualified further up than previous RASCAR races! Cheers Tony Tony

There is a point in practicing, and that is if nothing else to know how your car is going to handle at each track in different grooves. Some guys can do this in 30 minutes, others it takes hours. This is of course just my humble opinion, but with the physics in N2002 and with especially the size of the turnout, anything we can do to help cut down on the number of cautions would help make it a more enjoyable "fun" event for everyone.. But I do agree with you on not stopping this, of course it's Eldred's server and he can do what he wants - I think it is wonderful Eldred is taking the time and effort to put these on - many thanks!! But no doubt, if the field size stays the same as Saturday or even grows larger, many cautions will just be something we will have to deal with. Let's just make the best of it and have as much fun as we can. I am convinced from what I have seen that with field sizes at 25 and above it is just very difficult to have a good race without multiple cautions. That many cars with this physics model and a sensitive collision detection along with warping , it's just going to happen.. Don Burnette "Ed Solheim" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:cCMy8.7097$[email hidden]... > Please dont say that a pleae lets not all go and do just that.... > If we start treathing this as "real" races - things will get nasty...Can't

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> we please keep this on a "fun-level"? > > But that I mean that other than knowing/learning the track and having a > car-setup you feel comfortable with - there should be no point in > practicing... > > Once we reach the "oh, I must practice for my RASCAR race level... - the > fun's all over for many of us I think.. > > -- > ed_ > > "EldredP" said: > > We might not - I'm not happy about the way the Tally race went... :( > > Maybe we need more than one week to practice for these... > > > >

In article <QwOy8.79925$[email hidden]>, "Robert Huggins" <[email hidden]> writes:

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>Some leagues have a minimum speed. If you cannot achieve the minimum speed >in practice, you should not qual and race. The minimum can be posted prior >to the event. The F2 screen will show during practice who has learned the >track and can run the minimum speed. Minimum can be whatever you decide. >Would 37.xxx seconds have been a good minimum for Homestead at 70 degrees? > >On the other hand, to keep the "fun level" up, maybe everyone should be >allowed to race everywhere regardless of proficiency.

That's the problem. If someone can't keep the car on the track, it ruins the races for OTHERS. I'm still trying to understand the crashes under the yellow flags. Barring a hardware error with your computer, that's fucking STUPID... How the hell do you crash on a PACE lap?!? Eldred -- Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett A friend of mine is involved in a fund-raiser walk-a-thon for research to cure breast cancer. If you can, please go to my homepage and see how to make a donation. Thank you. Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

In article <YoSy8.47468$[email hidden]>, "Don Burnette" <[email hidden]> writes:

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>But I do agree with you on not stopping this, of course it's Eldred's server >and he can do what he wants - I think it is wonderful Eldred is taking the >time and effort to put these on - many thanks!! >But no doubt, if the field size stays the same as Saturday or even grows >larger, many cautions will just be something we will have to deal with. >Let's just make the best of it and have as much fun as we can. I am >convinced from what I have seen that with field sizes at 25 and above it is >just very difficult to have a good race without multiple cautions. That many >cars with this physics model and a sensitive collision detection along with >warping , it's just going to happen..

One idea that I just had while reading your message is this: On the races likely to draw large fields, I may have to make it 'invitation only'. People would be 'evaluated' by their performance in the open races. We'll see... I haven't watched the replay from Talladega yet, but there may be some people who get BANNED from my server... Eldred -- Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett A friend of mine is involved in a fund-raiser walk-a-thon for research to cure breast cancer. If you can, please go to my homepage and see how to make a donation. Thank you. Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

Also fwiw, your position in these cases is via the pit wall, not the start line. -John "Tony Rickard" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:QfQy8.12880$[email hidden]... > "David G Fisher" wrote: > > > > "John Pancoast" wrote: > > > Actually, you passed everyone<G> Even when going to the pits, youcan't > > > pass those that stay on the track, and vice versa. You needed to stay > > > "behind"(via F2 screen since he couldn't be seen) Tony in this case. > > > > > I considered that was the case, but it's such a stupid way to pit Ididn't > > think it could be true. :-) > > If I could only type and drive, David, I would have warned you! > > I could see you go past me as you went down the pit lane and got way aheadof me > and the car in front. My F2 screen still showed you ahead at the s/f line. > > Perhaps I will map a suitable comment to a wheel button. I certainlydidn't need > to tell lapped traffic I would be passing low in that race :-) > > I got damaged early on and got the dreaded "we've got problems with thatmotor" > message. Down on power after that and decided to call it a day aftergetting > swamped at the restarts. > > Still, progress is being made - I could see the pace car at the start ofthis

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> race having qualified further up than previous RASCAR races! > > Cheers > > Tony > > Tony > >

That's the only way to keep things at a desired level Eldred; make an invitation/muzzle list, etc. -John "EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > In article <YoSy8.47468$[email hidden]>, "DonBurnette" > <[email hidden]> writes: > > >But I do agree with you on not stopping this, of course it's Eldred'sserver > >and he can do what he wants - I think it is wonderful Eldred is takingthe > >time and effort to put these on - many thanks!! > >But no doubt, if the field size stays the same as Saturday or even grows > >larger, many cautions will just be something we will have to deal with. > >Let's just make the best of it and have as much fun as we can. I am > >convinced from what I have seen that with field sizes at 25 and above itis > >just very difficult to have a good race without multiple cautions. Thatmany > >cars with this physics model and a sensitive collision detection alongwith > >warping , it's just going to happen.. > > One idea that I just had while reading your message is this: On the races > likely to draw large fields, I may have to make it 'invitation only'.People > would be 'evaluated' by their performance in the open races. We'll see...I > haven't watched the replay from Talladega yet, but there may be somepeople who > get BANNED from my server... > > Eldred > -- > Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett > A friend of mine is involved in a fund-raiser walk-a-thon for research tocure > breast cancer. If you can, please go to my homepage and see how to make a > donation. Thank you. > > Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

Oops, I hope I will not be muzzled, because I had an eventful race. - I delayed the start by not knowing the right starting procedure and speeding up before the green came out. - Touched a lapped car because I had commited before to the outside when he decided to make room low and so I had to go back low. In my replay we didn't touch, but it sure caused him to spin and it brought the yellows out. - Made the most stupid move in my history of online sim racing by loosing my sense of track position and ending up down low on the apron coming back on the track and crashing into #328 in the last lap. If I would read this, I would think: muzzle. But if you would have seen me after the race, I was really pissed off at myself and embarassed. I always tend to be quite agressive on track, but I rarely go over the top. In real life racing I was compared once to Jacques, well yesterday I pulled off a first corner Canada move. So sorry to the guys that were hindered by my bad driving, but do know I always try to learn from my mistakes. And I've learnt quite some lessons yesterday. Even with all the yellows, I loved the racing. "EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > In article <YoSy8.47468$[email hidden]>, "DonBurnette" > <[email hidden]> writes: > > >But I do agree with you on not stopping this, of course it's Eldred'sserver > >and he can do what he wants - I think it is wonderful Eldred is takingthe > >time and effort to put these on - many thanks!! > >But no doubt, if the field size stays the same as Saturday or even grows > >larger, many cautions will just be something we will have to deal with. > >Let's just make the best of it and have as much fun as we can. I am > >convinced from what I have seen that with field sizes at 25 and above itis > >just very difficult to have a good race without multiple cautions. Thatmany > >cars with this physics model and a sensitive collision detection alongwith > >warping , it's just going to happen.. > > One idea that I just had while reading your message is this: On the races > likely to draw large fields, I may have to make it 'invitation only'.People > would be 'evaluated' by their performance in the open races. We'll see...I > haven't watched the replay from Talladega yet, but there may be somepeople who > get BANNED from my server... > > Eldred > -- > Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett > A friend of mine is involved in a fund-raiser walk-a-thon for research tocure > breast cancer. If you can, please go to my homepage and see how to make a > donation. Thank you. > > Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

I thought you were pretty clean when you settled in, yes you wanted that lead bad, but I think you learned and from what I saw I would race with ya anytime.. Don Burnette "Harjan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:EhUy8.398965$Lj7.16972013@Flipper... > > Oops, I hope I will not be muzzled, because I had an eventful race. > - I delayed the start by not knowing the right starting procedure and > speeding up before the green came out. > - Touched a lapped car because I had commited before to the outside whenhe > decided to make room low and so I had to go back low. In my replay wedidn't > touch, but it sure caused him to spin and it brought the yellows out. > - Made the most stupid move in my history of online sim racing by loosingmy

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> off a first corner Canada move. > > So sorry to the guys that were hindered by my bad driving, but do know I > always try to learn from my mistakes. And I've learnt quite some lessons > yesterday. Even with all the yellows, I loved the racing. > > > > > "EldredP" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > In article <YoSy8.47468$[email hidden]>, "Don > Burnette" > > <[email hidden]> writes: > > > > >But I do agree with you on not stopping this, of course it's Eldred's > server > > >and he can do what he wants - I think it is wonderful Eldred is taking > the > > >time and effort to put these on - many thanks!! > > >But no doubt, if the field size stays the same as Saturday or even

grows > > >larger, many cautions will just be something we will have to deal with. > > >Let's just make the best of it and have as much fun as we can. I am > > >convinced from what I have seen that with field sizes at 25 and aboveit

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races > > likely to draw large fields, I may have to make it 'invitation only'. > People > > would be 'evaluated' by their performance in the open races. We'llsee...

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> I > > haven't watched the replay from Talladega yet, but there may be some > people who > > get BANNED from my server... > > > > Eldred > > -- > > Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett > > A friend of mine is involved in a fund-raiser walk-a-thon for research

to > cure > > breast cancer. If you can, please go to my homepage and see how to makea > > donation. Thank you. > > > > Remove SPAM-OFF to reply. > > >

>I'm still trying to understand the crashes under the yellow > flags. Barring a hardware error with your computer, that's fuckingSTUPID... > How the hell do you crash on a PACE lap?!? > > Eldred One was thing that I noticed and I'm not sure if it the new patch or something else. My system was only drawing about 7 cars ahead even though my cars ahead is set to 36 and my draw distance is in the 90-95% range. Needless to say this made things kinda hairy at times. There is still no reason to wreck before the green. To be honest I have never seen the start of a race waved off before. As far as the car count goes I bet it goes back down after this weekend. I think Tally just brings everyone out to the track. MadDAWG

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> > >I'm still trying to understand the crashes under the yellow > > flags. Barring a hardware error with your computer, that's fucking > STUPID... > > How the hell do you crash on a PACE lap?!? > > > > Eldred > > One was thing that I noticed and I'm not sure if it the new patch or > something else. My system was only drawing about 7 cars ahead even though my > cars ahead is set to 36 and my draw distance is in the 90-95% range. > Needless to say this made things kinda hairy at times. There is still no > reason to wreck before the green. To be honest I have never seen the start > of a race waved off before. As far as the car count goes I bet it goes back > down after this weekend. I think Tally just brings everyone out to the > track.

ROFL Well it sure did with me, I don't mind racing on ovals, I just hate practicing on them, Daytona and Dega, and maybe a couple of the other big tracks I can fake using skills (term used very losely) from days on TEN and general knowledge of sim racing, probably the reason why I got caught out the way I did too, simply been "out of it" too long I'd never show up for Martinsville or anything like that without a "few" practice laps first though, that would be inconsiderate, and I would also have left last night had I felt out of my depth, as it was, I was right at home :-) Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy "The Pits" http://www.theuspits.com/ "A man is only as old as the woman he feels" --Groucho Marx--

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> > > > >I'm still trying to understand the crashes under the yellow > > > flags. Barring a hardware error with your computer, that's fucking > > STUPID... > > > How the hell do you crash on a PACE lap?!? > > > > > > Eldred > >

Because people are too busy holding a fuckin tea-party and chatting it up instead of concentrating on what they're doing. That's why I kept telling people to stop talking. Sure, everyone can say "just ignore the text flying across the top of the screen, but it's DISTRACTING to see it. Another problem is the guy at the head of the line somehow not knowing what the word "PACE" means. It means proceed forward at a steady speed with little or no diviation in that speed. Now, if you put the "steady speed" together with "no chat", it stands to reason there won't be any problems under yellow flag conditions. Here's a little tidbit for anyone that didn't know - YOU DO NOT HAVE TO BE RIGHT ON THE PACE CAR'S ASS. You could be half a lap behind and it DOESN'T MATTER. As long as you're proceeding at a steady PACE (there's that word again), nobody should be having a problem. If you need practice pacing the field, set the AI to 80% using no damage, and run offline. Practice yellows in the middle of the pack and at the front. It's not fuckin rocket science guys. -- ========================================================= DeMONS/1 for Nascar Racing 3 & Nascar Legends http://www.paddedwall.org/demons DeMONS/2 for Nascar Racing 4 and 2002 Season (in development) http://www.paddedwall.org/demons2 RASCAR Roster http://www.paddedwall.org/rascar Redneck Techno-Biker & "programming deity" http://www.paddedwall.org/john Barbarian Diecast Collector (460+ cars and counting) http://www.paddedwall.org/diecast If you want to send me email, go to the first URL shown above & click "Send Me Mail" in the contents frame. =========================================================

Joachim Trensz wrote: > > I've disabled in-car chat entirely. I am aware I might be missing something > this way, but so far it has never happened. You are missing the "pit in" and "pit out" messages for starters, to me those are pretty important, and had I managed to send one properly last night, I was looking for the proper hot key :-), BFarmer would have gotten a warning that all wasn't well on my end You also missed my "damaged, off pace, pass high" messages on the last couple of restarts, which when we're going single file could have cost you, of course you weren't behind me :-), but still.... Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy "The Pits" http://www.theuspits.com/ "A man is only as old as the woman he feels" --Groucho Marx--

On Sun, 28 Apr 2002 16:23:14 GMT, John Simmons <[email hidden]> wrote: >Here's a little tidbit for anyone that didn't know - YOU DO NOT HAVE TO >BE RIGHT ON THE PACE CAR'S ASS. You could be half a lap behind and it >DOESN'T MATTER. As long as you're proceeding at a steady PACE (there's >that word again), nobody should be having a problem. With just one exception. At shorter tracks, it's important for the leader to stay close to the pace car and everyone behind to not allow a huge gap to open up. Otherwise, guys at the back of the pack lose a lap even trying to do a normal 4 tire stop. But agreed, it's the deviation in speed that causes the problems. That has a bad ripple effect that intensifies as it goes through the field. One other suggestion....everyone should have an autochat message that says "Pass Car ## - Serving EOLL Penalty". Saves typing...saves confusion. Tim Wortman North American Simulation Series www.nasscar.com

"EldredP" wrote... > We might not - I'm not happy about the way the Tally race > went... :( > Maybe we need more than one week to practice for these... I have to disagree, Eldred. Trouble doesn't come from those who've practised little and _accept_ they are not on the pace. Trouble comes from those who attempt to hang on to or pass those who _are_ better prepared. Personally, I practised Tally for half an hour and Homestead for 15 minutes before Saturday. I am a very experienced online simmer though, so apart from getting caught out by the pacing line stopping in the tri-oval on a restart at Talladega I wasn't instrumental in any trouble over the course of the two races (and only then because me and Colin sort of got "wedged" together and couldn't free ourselves for a while). It just isn't that hard to keep from causing trouble. Ergo: what we face in the bigger/more popular races is a discipline problem, IMO. That's not going to be improved by leaving bigger gaps between the races. That said, once every forthnight might be better from a planning / attendance point of view as well, so it's ok with me. I'm just trying to establish a bit of a name for myself in the stock car world, so I'll take whatever I can get at the moment. Jan. =---

Should definately have this on at all time, IMO. -John "Joachim Trensz" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:aah81e$alm8p$[email hidden]... > I've disabled in-car chat entirely. I am aware I might be missingsomething > this way, but so far it has never happened. > > Achim > >

"EldredP" wrote... > How the hell do you crash on a PACE lap?!? Simple... some guy chats something and inadvertantly leaves a gap, which he makes up in a burst of accelleration. This starts an accordeon effect in the pacing line and at some point someone ends up having to slow from 95mph to 30mph very sharply, the guy behind just about manages to avoid an accident, but gets rear-ended by the next guy down and this starts an accident. Keeping the pacing speed reasonably constant is much harder than keeping draft going. Jan. =---

Just to clarify, By practice/ lerarning the track - i do ofcourse mean that one must be able to keep the car on track and be able to drive **within oneselfs limits**. There's no point practicing for hours on end, if you end up seeing red by turn 2 - and then screw it all up by trying to do the impossible! -- ed_ "EldredP" <[email hidden]> skrev i melding news:[email hidden]... > In article <QwOy8.79925$[email hidden]>, "Robert > Huggins" <[email hidden]> writes: > > >Some leagues have a minimum speed. If you cannot achieve the minimum speed > >in practice, you should not qual and race. The minimum can be posted prior > >to the event. The F2 screen will show during practice who has learned the > >track and can run the minimum speed. Minimum can be whatever you decide. > >Would 37.xxx seconds have been a good minimum for Homestead at 70 degrees? > > > >On the other hand, to keep the "fun level" up, maybe everyone should be > >allowed to race everywhere regardless of proficiency. > > That's the problem. If someone can't keep the car on the track, it ruins the > races for OTHERS. I'm still trying to understand the crashes under the yellow > flags. Barring a hardware error with your computer, that's fucking STUPID... > How the hell do you crash on a PACE lap?!? > > Eldred > -- > Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett > A friend of mine is involved in a fund-raiser walk-a-thon for research to cure > breast cancer. If you can, please go to my homepage and see how to make a > donation. Thank you. > > Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

Hi Eldred. > How the hell do you crash on a PACE lap?!? Only the best can do it <g> Achim

I've disabled in-car chat entirely. I am aware I might be missing something this way, but so far it has never happened. Achim

I normally don't participate in the chitchat all that much, but now I was one of the big offenders. Why? Because I was doing three laps under yellow for every two laps under green. I took the blame at one point for the change in pace, I was on the head of the field for a large part of the race and at one point apologized for the changing pace. But later on, I noticed it wasn't my fault. When I got back from my pitstop in 11th place, some where leaving huge gaps and closing them every now and then to leave to open up the next corner. So I wasn't responsible in my view for the changing pace, it could have been a bit better but not much. Next time I'll withold of any chitchat, although I had quite some good laughs. "John Simmons" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden] says... > > > > > > > >I'm still trying to understand the crashes under the yellow > > > > flags. Barring a hardware error with your computer, that's fucking > > > STUPID... > > > > How the hell do you crash on a PACE lap?!? > > > > > > > > Eldred > > > > > Because people are too busy holding a fuckin tea-party and chatting it > up instead of concentrating on what they're doing. > > That's why I kept telling people to stop talking. Sure, everyone can say > "just ignore the text flying across the top of the screen, but it's > DISTRACTING to see it. > > Another problem is the guy at the head of the line somehow not knowing > what the word "PACE" means. It means proceed forward at a steady speed > with little or no diviation in that speed. > > Now, if you put the "steady speed" together with "no chat", it stands to > reason there won't be any problems under yellow flag conditions. > > Here's a little tidbit for anyone that didn't know - YOU DO NOT HAVE TO > BE RIGHT ON THE PACE CAR'S ASS. You could be half a lap behind and it > DOESN'T MATTER. As long as you're proceeding at a steady PACE (there's > that word again), nobody should be having a problem. > > If you need practice pacing the field, set the AI to 80% using no > damage, and run offline. Practice yellows in the middle of the pack and > at the front. > > It's not fuckin rocket science guys. > > > -- > ========================================================= > DeMONS/1 for Nascar Racing 3 & Nascar Legends > http://www.paddedwall.org/demons > DeMONS/2 for Nascar Racing 4 and 2002 Season (in development) > http://www.paddedwall.org/demons2 > RASCAR Roster > http://www.paddedwall.org/rascar > Redneck Techno-Biker & "programming deity" > http://www.paddedwall.org/john > Barbarian Diecast Collector (460+ cars and counting) > http://www.paddedwall.org/diecast > > If you want to send me email, go to the first URL shown > above & click "Send Me Mail" in the contents frame. > =========================================================

"Tony Rickard" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:QfQy8.12880$[email hidden]... > "David G Fisher" wrote: > > > > "John Pancoast" wrote: > > > Actually, you passed everyone<G> Even when going to the pits, youcan't > > > pass those that stay on the track, and vice versa. You needed to stay > > > "behind"(via F2 screen since he couldn't be seen) Tony in this case. > > > > > I considered that was the case, but it's such a stupid way to pit Ididn't > > think it could be true. :-) > > If I could only type and drive, David, I would have warned you! I forgot I wasn't in an F1 race. :-) David G Fisher

In article <[email hidden]>, "Jan Verschueren" <[email hidden]> writes: >Keeping the pacing speed reasonably constant is much harder than keeping >draft going. It shouldn't be... Eldred -- Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett A friend of mine is involved in a fund-raiser walk-a-thon for research to cure breast cancer. If you can, please go to my homepage and see how to make a donation. Thank you. Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

>"MadDAWG" <[email hidden]> wrote > One was thing that I noticed and I'm not sure if it the new patch or > something else. My system was only drawing about 7 cars ahead even thoughmy > cars ahead is set to 36 and my draw distance is in the 90-95% range. It has always been like that, since the days of the NROS (it was 8 back then and 3 in the mirror). There is a limit of cars you actually see on screen, it's a complicated thing really. That setting you have inside NR2002 serves mostly for AI offline racing. The server only gives you an X number of cars around you, only the ones closer to you. IIRC it can now since N4 be changed in the core.ini (similar to GPL). -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- http://www.ymenard.8m.com/ -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimato Dominguez Corporation - helping America into the New World...

"ymenard" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:SC7z8.2205$[email hidden]... > >"MadDAWG" <[email hidden]> wrote > > One was thing that I noticed and I'm not sure if it the new patch or > > something else. My system was only drawing about 7 cars ahead eventhough > my > > cars ahead is set to 36 and my draw distance is in the 90-95% range. > > > It has always been like that, since the days of the NROS (it was 8 backthen > and 3 in the mirror). There is a limit of cars you actually see onscreen, > it's a complicated thing really. That setting you have inside NR2002serves > mostly for AI offline racing. The server only gives you an X number ofcars > around you, only the ones closer to you. IIRC it can now since N4 be > changed in the core.ini (similar to GPL). > > Also, be careful when you get turned around on the track, you may think the track is clear when in reality you have cars coming, that's a great time to use your F2 split screen. You may not realize this, but when your turned around your only viewing the cars drawn behind, just like you would in your mirror if your facing the proper direction on the track. Even though you are looking out your windshield, if you are facing the wrong direction you can only see the number of cars set to be drawn in your mirror. Often times folks pull out when facing the wrong way thinking traffic is about to be clear, only to be nailed by another oncoming car they didn't see out the window. Don Burnette