OT- Dale Earnhardt's Birthday today, April 29th..........

Isn't the same, never will be, without The Man. -John

John Pancoast wrote: > > Isn't the same, never will be, without The Man. Nope I'm not a NASCAR fan by any definition of the word, the few times I watched the reruns on Eurosport or checked the results on the web was to see how Dale was doing He was something else Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy "The Pits" http://www.theuspits.com/ "A man is only as old as the woman he feels" --Groucho Marx--

In a nutshell Goy, he was what stock car racing is all about, unlike the pretty boy/corporate version of today :) Dale could do both sides of the fence. Guys today can't/haven't. -John "Goy Larsen" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> > > John Pancoast wrote: > > > > Isn't the same, never will be, without The Man. > > Nope > > I'm not a NASCAR fan by any definition of the word, the few times I > watched the reruns on Eurosport or checked the results on the web was to > see how Dale was doing > > He was something else > > > Beers and cheers > (uncle) Goy > > "The Pits" http://www.theuspits.com/ > > "A man is only as old as the woman he feels" > --Groucho Marx--

Oh Yea? What about Sterling? -- 1907 - Daytona Beach Florida Glenn H. Curtiss rode a V8 powered motorcycle to a 136.30 mph record in the measured mile. The Chicago Daily News headline reads: "Fastest Mile On Earth, Bullets Are The Only Rivals Of Glenn Curtiss"

REDLINE426 wrote: > > Oh Yea? What about Sterling? Does he drive a Chevy ? No.....nuff said :-) Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy "The Pits" http://www.theuspits.com/ "A man is only as old as the woman he feels" --Groucho Marx--

Sterling's alright, hope he wins the championship. -John "REDLINE426" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:Oezz8.77544$[email hidden]...

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> Oh Yea? What about Sterling? > > -- > 1907 - Daytona Beach Florida > > Glenn H. Curtiss rode a V8 powered motorcycle > to a 136.30 mph record in the measured mile. > > The Chicago Daily News headline reads: > "Fastest Mile On Earth, Bullets Are The Only Rivals Of Glenn Curtiss" > > >

I am sad for his family that he is gone, but he was not what stock car racing was all about. Many others have come and gone as well as Dale. I never watched a NASCAR race to see Dale Earnhardt. If he couldnt win by a fair pass, he would move you out of the way. Any "sim" racer that drove like that would had been muzzled and that's what is so funny about a lot of sim racers that I see: all the time bashing people for wrecking people online in a game and then they would pull for someone in real life who made a living doing it. Sorry, but that is true. Regards, Phillip "John Pancoast" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> In a nutshell Goy, he was what stock car racing is all about, unlike the > pretty boy/corporate version of today :) > Dale could do both sides of the fence. Guys today can't/haven't. > > -John > > > "Goy Larsen" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > > > > > John Pancoast wrote: > > > > > > Isn't the same, never will be, without The Man. > > > > Nope > > > > I'm not a NASCAR fan by any definition of the word, the few times I > > watched the reruns on Eurosport or checked the results on the web was to > > see how Dale was doing > > > > He was something else > > > > > > Beers and cheers > > (uncle) Goy > > > > "The Pits" http://www.theuspits.com/ > > > > "A man is only as old as the woman he feels" > > --Groucho Marx-- > >

Of course, that's true. It's also true, EACH AND EVERY one of them does/have done the same thing. I.,e Kurt Busch and Matt Kenseth this year alone, and that's only what's shown on tv, and what comes to mind/remembered. Even Jeffy has done the same, more than once. Same thing happens a lot in the backmarkers that isn't shown on tv, because it's following the lead cars. I've always felt that if Dale had been marketed as something other than what he was, his racing wouldn't have been controversial......... And yep, he was what stock car racing is all about, at least what it used to be about :) But having been a fan of has since 1980, I'll admit to bias :) -John "Phillip Malphrus Jr" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:3cceddba$[email hidden]... > I am sad for his family that he is gone, but he was not what stock car > racing was all about. Many others have come and gone as well as Dale. I > never watched a NASCAR race to see Dale Earnhardt. If he couldnt win by a > fair pass, he would move you out of the way. Any "sim" racer that drovelike > that would had been muzzled and that's what is so funny about a lot of sim > racers that I see: all the time bashing people for wrecking people onlinein

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> a game and then they would pull for someone in real life who made a living > doing it. Sorry, but that is true. > > Regards, Phillip > > "John Pancoast" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > In a nutshell Goy, he was what stock car racing is all about, unlike

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> > pretty boy/corporate version of today :) > > Dale could do both sides of the fence. Guys today can't/haven't. > > > > -John > > > > > > "Goy Larsen" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:[email hidden]... > > > > > > > > > John Pancoast wrote: > > > > > > > > Isn't the same, never will be, without The Man. > > > > > > Nope > > > > > > I'm not a NASCAR fan by any definition of the word, the few times I > > > watched the reruns on Eurosport or checked the results on the web was

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> > > see how Dale was doing > > > > > > He was something else > > > > > > > > > Beers and cheers > > > (uncle) Goy > > > > > > "The Pits" http://www.theuspits.com/ > > > > > > "A man is only as old as the woman he feels" > > > --Groucho Marx-- > > > > > >

I think that decribing Earnhardt as what we classify a "wrecker" to be is downright insulting. Earnhardt drove like anyone would on a Saturday night at a local dirt track. I think if you thought it about a little longer, you might realize that yes, Earnhardt got into/caused a lot of accidents, but he was just an aggressive driver and accidents happen when you're aggressive. If all he did was crash people out to win races, he would not have won the respect of the fans or of his fellow racers. 7 championships speak for themselves...... Ryan "Phillip Malphrus Jr" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:3cceddba$[email hidden]... > I am sad for his family that he is gone, but he was not what stock car > racing was all about. Many others have come and gone as well as Dale. I > never watched a NASCAR race to see Dale Earnhardt. If he couldnt win by a > fair pass, he would move you out of the way. Any "sim" racer that drovelike > that would had been muzzled and that's what is so funny about a lot of sim > racers that I see: all the time bashing people for wrecking people onlinein

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> a game and then they would pull for someone in real life who made a living > doing it. Sorry, but that is true. > > Regards, Phillip > > "John Pancoast" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > In a nutshell Goy, he was what stock car racing is all about, unlike

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> > pretty boy/corporate version of today :) > > Dale could do both sides of the fence. Guys today can't/haven't. > > > > -John > > > > > > "Goy Larsen" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:[email hidden]... > > > > > > > > > John Pancoast wrote: > > > > > > > > Isn't the same, never will be, without The Man. > > > > > > Nope > > > > > > I'm not a NASCAR fan by any definition of the word, the few times I > > > watched the reruns on Eurosport or checked the results on the web was

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> > > see how Dale was doing > > > > > > He was something else > > > > > > > > > Beers and cheers > > > (uncle) Goy > > > > > > "The Pits" http://www.theuspits.com/ > > > > > > "A man is only as old as the woman he feels" > > > --Groucho Marx-- > > > > > >

Yes, he had their respect all right but it was not just for his driving, it was for the kind of man he was as well. He was a very nice man based on what I've heard, it's a shame I didnt know that until he was gone. They knew whenever he was on their bumper with 2 to go that they were going to be wrecked. You can't even name one race when the above scenario was true that he didn't wreck the other driver. If he could get to them, he would wreck them. Just ask Terry Labonte. So, if there was someone online like that, how would that person be treated though? "Ryan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:q7Dz8.176$[email hidden]... > I think that decribing Earnhardt as what we classify a "wrecker" to be is > downright insulting. Earnhardt drove like anyone would on a Saturdaynight > at a local dirt track. I think if you thought it about a little longer,you > might realize that yes, Earnhardt got into/caused a lot of accidents, buthe

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> was just an aggressive driver and accidents happen when you're aggressive. > If all he did was crash people out to win races, he would not have won the > respect of the fans or of his fellow racers. 7 championships speak for > themselves...... > > Ryan > > "Phillip Malphrus Jr" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:3cceddba$[email hidden]... > > I am sad for his family that he is gone, but he was not what stock car > > racing was all about. Many others have come and gone as well as Dale. I > > never watched a NASCAR race to see Dale Earnhardt. If he couldnt win by

a > > fair pass, he would move you out of the way. Any "sim" racer that drove > like > > that would had been muzzled and that's what is so funny about a lot ofsim > > racers that I see: all the time bashing people for wrecking peopleonline > in > > a game and then they would pull for someone in real life who made aliving

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> > doing it. Sorry, but that is true. > > > > Regards, Phillip > > > > "John Pancoast" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:[email hidden]... > > > In a nutshell Goy, he was what stock car racing is all about, unlike > the > > > pretty boy/corporate version of today :) > > > Dale could do both sides of the fence. Guys today can't/haven't. > > > > > > -John > > > > > > > > > "Goy Larsen" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > news:[email hidden]... > > > > > > > > > > > > John Pancoast wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Isn't the same, never will be, without The Man. > > > > > > > > Nope > > > > > > > > I'm not a NASCAR fan by any definition of the word, the few times I > > > > watched the reruns on Eurosport or checked the results on the web

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> to > > > > see how Dale was doing > > > > > > > > He was something else > > > > > > > > > > > > Beers and cheers > > > > (uncle) Goy > > > > > > > > "The Pits" http://www.theuspits.com/ > > > > > > > > "A man is only as old as the woman he feels" > > > > --Groucho Marx-- > > > > > > > > > > > >

"You can't even name one race when the above scenario was true that he didn't wreck the other driver. If he could get to them, he would wreck them." Please cut out the BS and stop disrespecting DE, that statement is not anywhere near true. Sure some people got spun by him but others have done it as well and he never did it every race as you claim. "Phillip Malphrus Jr" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Yes, he had their respect all right but it was not just for his driving,it > was for the kind of man he was as well. He was a very nice man based onwhat > I've heard, it's a shame I didnt know that until he was gone. They knew > whenever he was on their bumper with 2 to go that they were going to be > wrecked. You can't even name one race when the above scenario was truethat > he didn't wreck the other driver. If he could get to them, he would wreck > them. Just ask Terry Labonte. So, if there was someone online like that,how

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> would that person be treated though? > > > > "Ryan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:q7Dz8.176$[email hidden]... > > I think that decribing Earnhardt as what we classify a "wrecker" to be

is > > downright insulting. Earnhardt drove like anyone would on a Saturday > night > > at a local dirt track. I think if you thought it about a little longer, > you > > might realize that yes, Earnhardt got into/caused a lot of accidents,but > he > > was just an aggressive driver and accidents happen when you'reaggressive. > > If all he did was crash people out to win races, he would not have wonthe

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> > respect of the fans or of his fellow racers. 7 championships speak for > > themselves...... > > > > Ryan > > > > "Phillip Malphrus Jr" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:3cceddba$[email hidden]... > > > I am sad for his family that he is gone, but he was not what stock car > > > racing was all about. Many others have come and gone as well as Dale.

I > > > never watched a NASCAR race to see Dale Earnhardt. If he couldnt winby > a > > > fair pass, he would move you out of the way. Any "sim" racer thatdrove

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> > like > > > that would had been muzzled and that's what is so funny about a lot of > sim > > > racers that I see: all the time bashing people for wrecking people > online > > in > > > a game and then they would pull for someone in real life who made a > living > > > doing it. Sorry, but that is true. > > > > > > Regards, Phillip > > > > > > "John Pancoast" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > news:[email hidden]... > > > > In a nutshell Goy, he was what stock car racing is all about,

unlike

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> > the > > > > pretty boy/corporate version of today :) > > > > Dale could do both sides of the fence. Guys today can't/haven't. > > > > > > > > -John > > > > > > > > > > > > "Goy Larsen" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > > news:[email hidden]... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > John Pancoast wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Isn't the same, never will be, without The Man. > > > > > > > > > > Nope > > > > > > > > > > I'm not a NASCAR fan by any definition of the word, the few times

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> > > > > watched the reruns on Eurosport or checked the results on the web > was > > to > > > > > see how Dale was doing > > > > > > > > > > He was something else > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Beers and cheers > > > > > (uncle) Goy > > > > > > > > > > "The Pits" http://www.theuspits.com/ > > > > > > > > > > "A man is only as old as the woman he feels" > > > > > --Groucho Marx-- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

Just name a race ... "Schooner" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:WqEz8.5108$[email hidden]...

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> "You can't even name one race when the above scenario was true that > he didn't wreck the other driver. If he could get to them, he would wreck > them." > > Please cut out the BS and stop disrespecting DE, that statement is not > anywhere near true. Sure some people got spun by him but others have done > it as well and he never did it every race as you claim. > > "Phillip Malphrus Jr" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > Yes, he had their respect all right but it was not just for his driving, > it > > was for the kind of man he was as well. He was a very nice man based on > what > > I've heard, it's a shame I didnt know that until he was gone. They knew > > whenever he was on their bumper with 2 to go that they were going to be > > wrecked. You can't even name one race when the above scenario was true > that > > he didn't wreck the other driver. If he could get to them, he would

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> > them. Just ask Terry Labonte. So, if there was someone online like that, > how > > would that person be treated though? > > > > > > > > "Ryan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:q7Dz8.176$[email hidden]... > > > I think that decribing Earnhardt as what we classify a "wrecker" to be > is > > > downright insulting. Earnhardt drove like anyone would on a Saturday > > night > > > at a local dirt track. I think if you thought it about a little

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> > you > > > might realize that yes, Earnhardt got into/caused a lot of accidents, > but > > he > > > was just an aggressive driver and accidents happen when you're > aggressive. > > > If all he did was crash people out to win races, he would not have won > the > > > respect of the fans or of his fellow racers. 7 championships speak

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> > > themselves...... > > > > > > Ryan > > > > > > "Phillip Malphrus Jr" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > news:3cceddba$[email hidden]... > > > > I am sad for his family that he is gone, but he was not what stock

car > > > > racing was all about. Many others have come and gone as well asDale.

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> I > > > > never watched a NASCAR race to see Dale Earnhardt. If he couldnt win > by > > a > > > > fair pass, he would move you out of the way. Any "sim" racer that > drove > > > like > > > > that would had been muzzled and that's what is so funny about a lot

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> > sim > > > > racers that I see: all the time bashing people for wrecking people > > online > > > in > > > > a game and then they would pull for someone in real life who made a > > living > > > > doing it. Sorry, but that is true. > > > > > > > > Regards, Phillip > > > > > > > > "John Pancoast" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > > news:[email hidden]... > > > > > In a nutshell Goy, he was what stock car racing is all about, > unlike > > > the > > > > > pretty boy/corporate version of today :) > > > > > Dale could do both sides of the fence. Guys today

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> > > > > > > > > > -John > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Goy Larsen" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > > > news:[email hidden]... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > John Pancoast wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Isn't the same, never will be, without The Man. > > > > > > > > > > > > Nope > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm not a NASCAR fan by any definition of the word, the few

times > I > > > > > > watched the reruns on Eurosport or checked the results on theweb

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> > was > > > to > > > > > > see how Dale was doing > > > > > > > > > > > > He was something else > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Beers and cheers > > > > > > (uncle) Goy > > > > > > > > > > > > "The Pits" http://www.theuspits.com/ > > > > > > > > > > > > "A man is only as old as the woman he feels" > > > > > > --Groucho Marx-- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

Hey Phillip, you made your point on my thread; I made mine; you don't like him, I do, etc. What say we drop it, eh ? Pretty petty in the first place. -John "Phillip Malphrus, Jr." <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Just name a race ... > > "Schooner" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:WqEz8.5108$[email hidden]... > > "You can't even name one race when the above scenario was true that > > he didn't wreck the other driver. If he could get to them, he wouldwreck > > them." > > > > Please cut out the BS and stop disrespecting DE, that statement is not > > anywhere near true. Sure some people got spun by him but others havedone > > it as well and he never did it every race as you claim. > > > > "Phillip Malphrus Jr" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:[email hidden]... > > > Yes, he had their respect all right but it was not just for hisdriving, > > it > > > was for the kind of man he was as well. He was a very nice man basedon > > what > > > I've heard, it's a shame I didnt know that until he was gone. Theyknew > > > whenever he was on their bumper with 2 to go that they were going tobe > > > wrecked. You can't even name one race when the above scenario was true > > that > > > he didn't wreck the other driver. If he could get to them, he would > wreck > > > them. Just ask Terry Labonte. So, if there was someone online likethat,

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> > how > > > would that person be treated though? > > > > > > > > > > > > "Ryan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > news:q7Dz8.176$[email hidden]... > > > > I think that decribing Earnhardt as what we classify a "wrecker" to

be > > is > > > > downright insulting. Earnhardt drove like anyone would on aSaturday > > > night > > > > at a local dirt track. I think if you thought it about a little > longer, > > > you > > > > might realize that yes, Earnhardt got into/caused a lot ofaccidents, > > but > > > he > > > > was just an aggressive driver and accidents happen when you're > > aggressive. > > > > If all he did was crash people out to win races, he would not havewon

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> > the > > > > respect of the fans or of his fellow racers. 7 championships speak > for > > > > themselves...... > > > > > > > > Ryan > > > > > > > > "Phillip Malphrus Jr" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > > news:3cceddba$[email hidden]... > > > > > I am sad for his family that he is gone, but he was not what stock > car > > > > > racing was all about. Many others have come and gone as well as > Dale. > > I > > > > > never watched a NASCAR race to see Dale Earnhardt. If he couldnt

win > > by > > > a > > > > > fair pass, he would move you out of the way. Any "sim" racer that > > drove > > > > like > > > > > that would had been muzzled and that's what is so funny about alot > of > > > sim > > > > > racers that I see: all the time bashing people for wrecking people > > > online > > > > in > > > > > a game and then they would pull for someone in real life who madea

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> > > living > > > > > doing it. Sorry, but that is true. > > > > > > > > > > Regards, Phillip > > > > > > > > > > "John Pancoast" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > > > news:[email hidden]... > > > > > > In a nutshell Goy, he was what stock car racing is all about, > > unlike > > > > the > > > > > > pretty boy/corporate version of today :) > > > > > > Dale could do both sides of the fence. Guys today > can't/haven't. > > > > > > > > > > > > -John > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Goy Larsen" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > > > > news:[email hidden]... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > John Pancoast wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Isn't the same, never will be, without The Man. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nope > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm not a NASCAR fan by any definition of the word, the few > times > > I > > > > > > > watched the reruns on Eurosport or checked the results on the > web > > > was > > > > to > > > > > > > see how Dale was doing > > > > > > > > > > > > > > He was something else > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Beers and cheers > > > > > > > (uncle) Goy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "The Pits" http://www.theuspits.com/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "A man is only as old as the woman he feels" > > > > > > > --Groucho Marx-- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

>Pretty petty ?? You say?? Richard Petty will always be the King of Nascarin my book. :-) heh. Ya reckon? -- 1907 - Daytona Beach Florida Glenn H. Curtiss rode a V8 powered motorcycle to a 136.30 mph record in the measured mile. The Chicago Daily News headline reads: "Fastest Mile On Earth, Bullets Are The Only Rivals Of Glenn Curtiss"

"Phillip Malphrus, Jr." <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Just name a race ... > how about every freaking race he finishe second in? he went 2nd at dayton for eons and it was why his win was such a big deal. i've been going to races since i was 3 way back in 64, dirt tracks rockingham, myrtle beach and darlington, back in the day, old skool or something, that was what you expected in STOCK CAR RACING. conversations would be, he put a good one on him-- next time, he'll get him back...... and oh yeah, a few fist-fights and not just the racers either. the wives would really get into it back on those Leland Saturday nights, hehe. yeah, it's redneck and yeah it's a step up from rassling. "I know it's only Round and Round but I like it!" ya'll can have all this fabricated let's not touch aeropush prettyboy happycrappy. give me some detroit steel (via japan, alas) and let 'em race. so there, every freaking race he finished second, for a starter. jeez rob

"John Pancoast" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Hey Phillip, you made your point on my thread; I made mine; you don'tlike > him, I do, etc. What say we drop it, eh ? Pretty petty in the firstplace. > > -John > dang! wish i had read this before i posted. rob

I would like you to name a race that involved a last lap pass that was clean and had absolutely no controversy....... Ryan *snipping out all the stuff that has been reposted at least 6 times*

How about Dale JarrettvsDavey Allison, Rick WilsonvsBill Elliott, Jimmy SpencervsErnie Irvan. I am dropping it since no one came name a race other than Daytona, where people dont like to rub anyway at those speeds. Actually, I know another but the fact no one else does is amazing and proves my point. "Ryan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:8yHz8.1939$[email hidden]... > I would like you to name a race that involved a last lap pass that wasclean

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> and had absolutely no controversy....... > > Ryan > > *snipping out all the stuff that has been reposted at least 6 times* > >

I didnt say every race he finished 2nd in, I said there was not a single race he ever finished second in on someone elses bumper without contact and clean racing "reverend rob" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:J0Hz8.151$[email hidden]...

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> > "Phillip Malphrus, Jr." <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > Just name a race ... > > > > how about every freaking race he finishe second in? he went 2nd at dayton > for eons and it was why his win was such a big deal. > > i've been going to races since i was 3 way back in 64, dirt tracks > rockingham, myrtle beach and darlington, back in the day, old skool or > something, that was what you expected in STOCK CAR RACING. conversations > would be, he put a good one on him-- next time, he'll get him back...... > and oh yeah, a few fist-fights and not just the racers either. the wives > would really get into it back on those Leland Saturday nights, hehe. > > yeah, it's redneck and yeah it's a step up from rassling. > > "I know it's only Round and Round but I like it!" ya'll can have all this > fabricated let's not touch aeropush prettyboy happycrappy. give me some > detroit steel (via japan, alas) and let 'em race. > > so there, every freaking race he finished second, for a starter. jeez > > rob > >

John, I have no problem with you, was responding to someone else named Schooner ... "John Pancoast" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Hey Phillip, you made your point on my thread; I made mine; you don'tlike > him, I do, etc. What say we drop it, eh ? Pretty petty in the firstplace.

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> > -John > > > "Phillip Malphrus, Jr." <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > Just name a race ... > > > > "Schooner" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:WqEz8.5108$[email hidden]... > > > "You can't even name one race when the above scenario was true that > > > he didn't wreck the other driver. If he could get to them, he would > wreck > > > them." > > > > > > Please cut out the BS and stop disrespecting DE, that statement is not > > > anywhere near true. Sure some people got spun by him but others have > done > > > it as well and he never did it every race as you claim. > > > > > > "Phillip Malphrus Jr" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > news:[email hidden]... > > > > Yes, he had their respect all right but it was not just for his > driving, > > > it > > > > was for the kind of man he was as well. He was a very nice man based > on > > > what > > > > I've heard, it's a shame I didnt know that until he was gone. They > knew > > > > whenever he was on their bumper with 2 to go that they were going to > be > > > > wrecked. You can't even name one race when the above scenario was

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> > > that > > > > he didn't wreck the other driver. If he could get to them, he would > > wreck > > > > them. Just ask Terry Labonte. So, if there was someone online like > that, > > > how > > > > would that person be treated though? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Ryan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > > news:q7Dz8.176$[email hidden]... > > > > > I think that decribing Earnhardt as what we classify a "wrecker"

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> be > > > is > > > > > downright insulting. Earnhardt drove like anyone would on a > Saturday > > > > night > > > > > at a local dirt track. I think if you thought it about a little > > longer, > > > > you > > > > > might realize that yes, Earnhardt got into/caused a lot of > accidents, > > > but > > > > he > > > > > was just an aggressive driver and accidents happen when you're > > > aggressive. > > > > > If all he did was crash people out to win races, he would not have > won > > > the > > > > > respect of the fans or of his fellow racers. 7 championships

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> > for > > > > > themselves...... > > > > > > > > > > Ryan > > > > > > > > > > "Phillip Malphrus Jr" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > > > news:3cceddba$[email hidden]... > > > > > > I am sad for his family that he is gone, but he was not what

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> > car > > > > > > racing was all about. Many others have come and gone as well as > > Dale. > > > I > > > > > > never watched a NASCAR race to see Dale Earnhardt. If he couldnt > win > > > by > > > > a > > > > > > fair pass, he would move you out of the way. Any "sim" racer

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> > > drove > > > > > like > > > > > > that would had been muzzled and that's what is so funny about a > lot > > of > > > > sim > > > > > > racers that I see: all the time bashing people for wrecking

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> a > > > > living > > > > > > doing it. Sorry, but that is true. > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, Phillip > > > > > > > > > > > > "John Pancoast" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > > > > news:[email hidden]... > > > > > > > In a nutshell Goy, he was what stock car racing is all

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> > > unlike > > > > > the > > > > > > > pretty boy/corporate version of today :) > > > > > > > Dale could do both sides of the fence. Guys today > > can't/haven't. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -John > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Goy Larsen" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > > > > > news:[email hidden]... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > John Pancoast wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Isn't the same, never will be, without The Man. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nope > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm not a NASCAR fan by any definition of the word, the few > > times > > > I > > > > > > > > watched the reruns on Eurosport or checked the results on

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> > web > > > > was > > > > > to > > > > > > > > see how Dale was doing > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > He was something else > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Beers and cheers > > > > > > > > (uncle) Goy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "The Pits" http://www.theuspits.com/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "A man is only as old as the woman he feels" > > > > > > > > --Groucho Marx-- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

Keep in mind you're asking us to name races where he finished second - that's pretty hard to do without a NASCAR history book handy. BTW, I do recall Earnhardt beating Mark Martin at Sears Point, so there's the race you asked for. And, in response to your examples, Jarret vs. Allison was at Michigan - not exactly a contact track either. Spencer vs. Irvan was at Daytona wasn't it? I don't recall Rick Wilson vs. Elliott. Anyways, I think this thread has gotten much too long and I'm officially done with it. I understand you're aren't/weren't an Earnhardt fan and I don't have a problem with that, but I just think that reducing his driving style to "wrecker" is awfully disrespectful. Ryan

moving or bump and run is a lot different than wrecking. Moving or Bump and run is/was NASCAR. Rockingham - Bobby Hamilton, Earnhardt moved him with bump and run and went on to win the race. Bobby didn't wreck and finished 2nd I believe. Loudon BGN - Nemechek, Earnhardt moved him, but got him a little more out of shape than he intended. Earnhardt slowed down, waited for Joe to get control of the car, let Joe get back in the lead before racing to the line. Joe won. Bristol - Rusty Wallace, Jeff Gordon moved him, and went on to win the race, Rusty was 2nd I believe. "Phillip Malphrus Jr" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Yes, he had their respect all right but it was not just for his driving,it > was for the kind of man he was as well. He was a very nice man based onwhat > I've heard, it's a shame I didnt know that until he was gone. They knew > whenever he was on their bumper with 2 to go that they were going to be > wrecked. You can't even name one race when the above scenario was truethat > he didn't wreck the other driver. If he could get to them, he would wreck > them. Just ask Terry Labonte. So, if there was someone online like that,how

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> would that person be treated though? > > > > "Ryan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:q7Dz8.176$[email hidden]... > > I think that decribing Earnhardt as what we classify a "wrecker" to be

is > > downright insulting. Earnhardt drove like anyone would on a Saturday > night > > at a local dirt track. I think if you thought it about a little longer, > you > > might realize that yes, Earnhardt got into/caused a lot of accidents,but > he > > was just an aggressive driver and accidents happen when you'reaggressive. > > If all he did was crash people out to win races, he would not have wonthe

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> > respect of the fans or of his fellow racers. 7 championships speak for > > themselves...... > > > > Ryan > > > > "Phillip Malphrus Jr" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:3cceddba$[email hidden]... > > > I am sad for his family that he is gone, but he was not what stock car > > > racing was all about. Many others have come and gone as well as Dale.

I > > > never watched a NASCAR race to see Dale Earnhardt. If he couldnt winby > a > > > fair pass, he would move you out of the way. Any "sim" racer thatdrove

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> > like > > > that would had been muzzled and that's what is so funny about a lot of > sim > > > racers that I see: all the time bashing people for wrecking people > online > > in > > > a game and then they would pull for someone in real life who made a > living > > > doing it. Sorry, but that is true. > > > > > > Regards, Phillip > > > > > > "John Pancoast" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > news:[email hidden]... > > > > In a nutshell Goy, he was what stock car racing is all about,

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> > the > > > > pretty boy/corporate version of today :) > > > > Dale could do both sides of the fence. Guys today can't/haven't. > > > > > > > > -John > > > > > > > > > > > > "Goy Larsen" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > > news:[email hidden]... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > John Pancoast wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Isn't the same, never will be, without The Man. > > > > > > > > > > Nope > > > > > > > > > > I'm not a NASCAR fan by any definition of the word, the few times

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> > > > > watched the reruns on Eurosport or checked the results on the web > was > > to > > > > > see how Dale was doing > > > > > > > > > > He was something else > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Beers and cheers > > > > > (uncle) Goy > > > > > > > > > > "The Pits" http://www.theuspits.com/ > > > > > > > > > > "A man is only as old as the woman he feels" > > > > > --Groucho Marx-- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

Forgot to add. Pocono - Earnhardt, Mayfield moved Dale on the last corner and went on to win the race. Earnhardt finished 4th. "Dan Toloso" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:3ccfd411$[email hidden]... > moving or bump and run is a lot different than wrecking. Moving or Bumpand > run is/was NASCAR. > > Rockingham - Bobby Hamilton, Earnhardt moved him with bump and run andwent > on to win the race. Bobby didn't wreck and finished 2nd I believe. > > Loudon BGN - Nemechek, Earnhardt moved him, but got him a little more outof > shape than he intended. Earnhardt slowed down, waited for Joe to get > control of the car, let Joe get back in the lead before racing to theline. > Joe won. > > Bristol - Rusty Wallace, Jeff Gordon moved him, and went on to win therace,

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> Rusty was 2nd I believe. > > > "Phillip Malphrus Jr" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > Yes, he had their respect all right but it was not just for his driving, > it > > was for the kind of man he was as well. He was a very nice man based on > what > > I've heard, it's a shame I didnt know that until he was gone. They knew > > whenever he was on their bumper with 2 to go that they were going to be > > wrecked. You can't even name one race when the above scenario was true > that > > he didn't wreck the other driver. If he could get to them, he would

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> > them. Just ask Terry Labonte. So, if there was someone online like that, > how > > would that person be treated though? > > > > > > > > "Ryan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:q7Dz8.176$[email hidden]... > > > I think that decribing Earnhardt as what we classify a "wrecker" to be > is > > > downright insulting. Earnhardt drove like anyone would on a Saturday > > night > > > at a local dirt track. I think if you thought it about a little

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> > you > > > might realize that yes, Earnhardt got into/caused a lot of accidents, > but > > he > > > was just an aggressive driver and accidents happen when you're > aggressive. > > > If all he did was crash people out to win races, he would not have won > the > > > respect of the fans or of his fellow racers. 7 championships speak

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> > > themselves...... > > > > > > Ryan > > > > > > "Phillip Malphrus Jr" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > news:3cceddba$[email hidden]... > > > > I am sad for his family that he is gone, but he was not what stock

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> I > > > > never watched a NASCAR race to see Dale Earnhardt. If he couldnt win > by > > a > > > > fair pass, he would move you out of the way. Any "sim" racer that > drove > > > like > > > > that would had been muzzled and that's what is so funny about a lot

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> > sim > > > > racers that I see: all the time bashing people for wrecking people > > online > > > in > > > > a game and then they would pull for someone in real life who made a > > living > > > > doing it. Sorry, but that is true. > > > > > > > > Regards, Phillip > > > > > > > > "John Pancoast" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > > news:[email hidden]... > > > > > In a nutshell Goy, he was what stock car racing is all about, > unlike > > > the > > > > > pretty boy/corporate version of today :) > > > > > Dale could do both sides of the fence. Guys today

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> > > > > > > > > > -John > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Goy Larsen" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > > > news:[email hidden]... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > John Pancoast wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Isn't the same, never will be, without The Man. > > > > > > > > > > > > Nope > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm not a NASCAR fan by any definition of the word, the few

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> > was > > > to > > > > > > see how Dale was doing > > > > > > > > > > > > He was something else > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Beers and cheers > > > > > > (uncle) Goy > > > > > > > > > > > > "The Pits" http://www.theuspits.com/ > > > > > > > > > > > > "A man is only as old as the woman he feels" > > > > > > --Groucho Marx-- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

I have not intention of continuing this discussion. You seem to be here to troll so let's leave it that we differ in our views. "Phillip Malphrus, Jr." <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:3ccf5589$[email hidden]...

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> John, I have no problem with you, was responding to someone else named > Schooner ... > > "John Pancoast" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > Hey Phillip, you made your point on my thread; I made mine; you don't > like > > him, I do, etc. What say we drop it, eh ? Pretty petty in the first > place. > > > > -John > > > > > > "Phillip Malphrus, Jr." <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:[email hidden]... > > > Just name a race ... > > > > > > "Schooner" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > news:WqEz8.5108$[email hidden]... > > > > "You can't even name one race when the above scenario was true that > > > > he didn't wreck the other driver. If he could get to them, he would > > wreck > > > > them." > > > > > > > > Please cut out the BS and stop disrespecting DE, that statement is

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> > done > > > > it as well and he never did it every race as you claim. > > > > > > > > "Phillip Malphrus Jr" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > > news:[email hidden]... > > > > > Yes, he had their respect all right but it was not just for his > > driving, > > > > it > > > > > was for the kind of man he was as well. He was a very nice man

based > > on > > > > what > > > > > I've heard, it's a shame I didnt know that until he was gone. They > > knew > > > > > whenever he was on their bumper with 2 to go that they were goingto > > be > > > > > wrecked. You can't even name one race when the above scenario was > true > > > > that > > > > > he didn't wreck the other driver. If he could get to them, hewould

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> > > wreck > > > > > them. Just ask Terry Labonte. So, if there was someone online like > > that, > > > > how > > > > > would that person be treated though? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Ryan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > > > news:q7Dz8.176$[email hidden]... > > > > > > I think that decribing Earnhardt as what we classify a "wrecker" > to > > be > > > > is > > > > > > downright insulting. Earnhardt drove like anyone would on a > > Saturday > > > > > night > > > > > > at a local dirt track. I think if you thought it about a little > > > longer, > > > > > you > > > > > > might realize that yes, Earnhardt got into/caused a lot of > > accidents, > > > > but > > > > > he > > > > > > was just an aggressive driver and accidents happen when you're > > > > aggressive. > > > > > > If all he did was crash people out to win races, he would not

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> > won > > > > the > > > > > > respect of the fans or of his fellow racers. 7 championships > speak > > > for > > > > > > themselves...... > > > > > > > > > > > > Ryan > > > > > > > > > > > > "Phillip Malphrus Jr" <[email hidden]> wrote in

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> > lot > > > of > > > > > sim > > > > > > > racers that I see: all the time bashing people for wrecking > people > > > > > online > > > > > > in > > > > > > > a game and then they would pull for someone in real life who > made > > a > > > > > living > > > > > > > doing it. Sorry, but that is true. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, Phillip > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "John Pancoast" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > > > > > news:[email hidden]... > > > > > > > > In a nutshell Goy, he was what stock car racing is all > about, > > > > unlike > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > pretty boy/corporate version of today :) > > > > > > > > Dale could do both sides of the fence. Guys today > > > can't/haven't. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -John > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Goy Larsen" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > > > > > > news:[email hidden]... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > John Pancoast wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Isn't the same, never will be, without The Man. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nope > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm not a NASCAR fan by any definition of the word, the

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> > > times > > > > I > > > > > > > > > watched the reruns on Eurosport or checked the results on > the > > > web > > > > > was > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > see how Dale was doing > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > He was something else > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Beers and cheers > > > > > > > > > (uncle) Goy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "The Pits" http://www.theuspits.com/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "A man is only as old as the woman he feels" > > > > > > > > > --Groucho Marx-- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

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> moving or bump and run is a lot different than wrecking. Moving or Bump and > run is/was NASCAR. > > Rockingham - Bobby Hamilton, Earnhardt moved him with bump and run and went > on to win the race. Bobby didn't wreck and finished 2nd I believe. > > Loudon BGN - Nemechek, Earnhardt moved him, but got him a little more out of > shape than he intended. Earnhardt slowed down, waited for Joe to get > control of the car, let Joe get back in the lead before racing to the line. > Joe won. > > Bristol - Rusty Wallace, Jeff Gordon moved him, and went on to win the race, > Rusty was 2nd I believe.

Yep, it's part of the strategies/tactics that *are* NASCAR. It's not freakin' F1. And hope it never gets there. -- Fester Hey nobody's perfect, not even myself 8) -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> 4/15/02

"Phillip Malphrus, Jr." wrote: > > How about Dale JarrettvsDavey Allison, Rick WilsonvsBill Elliott, Jimmy > SpencervsErnie Irvan. I am dropping it since no one came name a race other > than Daytona, where people dont like to rub anyway at those speeds. > Actually, I know another but the fact no one else does is amazing and proves > my point. You not getting a reply only proves that you didn't get a reply Me, I don't know enough about NASCAR to come up with examples, that doesn't prove the examples doesn't exist Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy http://www.theuspits.com http://www.teammirage.com "A man is only as old as the woman he feels........" --Groucho Marx--

"Dan Toloso" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Forgot to add. You also forgot to add races like the Bristol night event won by Terry Labonte....where Dale was penalized and held on pit row for rough driving, and then he proceeded to smash through the field bumping almost every driver outta da way before a last lap kamikaze move that sent Labonte sliding from the exit of turn 4 into the wall at turn 1. :) dave henrie

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> "Phillip Malphrus, Jr." wrote: > >>How about Dale JarrettvsDavey Allison, Rick WilsonvsBill Elliott, Jimmy >>SpencervsErnie Irvan. I am dropping it since no one came name a race other >>than Daytona, where people dont like to rub anyway at those speeds. >>Actually, I know another but the fact no one else does is amazing and proves >>my point. > > > You not getting a reply only proves that you didn't get a reply > > Me, I don't know enough about NASCAR to come up with examples, that > doesn't prove the examples doesn't exist

To me, he's a troll who don't need a reply. He needs taken out back behind the woodshed & busted upside his... :-) -- Fester Hey nobody's perfect, not even myself 8) -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> 4/15/02

Uncle Fester wrote: > > To me, he's a troll who don't need a reply. He needs taken out back > behind the woodshed & busted upside his... :-) I'm wearing my diplomatic hat today.....it's not very comfy though, maybe I should fire up N2002 and load up one of those new road courses instead...:-) Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy http://www.theuspits.com http://www.teammirage.com "A man is only as old as the woman he feels........" --Groucho Marx--

BS penalty.........he was mad after that <G> That was also the last time he allowed an in-car camera(to show him) IIRC <G> -John "Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:5IRz8.87339$[email hidden]...

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> > "Dan Toloso" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > Forgot to add. > You also forgot to add races like the Bristol night event won by Terry > Labonte....where Dale was penalized and held on pit row for rough driving, > and then he proceeded to smash through the field bumping almost every

driver > outta da way before a last lap kamikaze move that sent Labonte slidingfrom > the exit of turn 4 into the wall at turn 1. > :) > dave henrie > >

Jeff Burton, 1997 Southern 500, quote "I tried to put him in the wall" unquote. "him" being Jeff Gordon. 1987 Old Dominion 500........LaBonte tried to wreck Dale........screwed up, and lost the race to Waltrip, lol ! 1979 Daytona 500........Allison/Yarborough, last lap....... etc., etc., etc., etc.,................... -John "Dan Toloso" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> Forgot to add. > > Pocono - Earnhardt, Mayfield moved Dale on the last corner and went on to > win the race. Earnhardt finished 4th. > > > "Dan Toloso" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:3ccfd411$[email hidden]... > > moving or bump and run is a lot different than wrecking. Moving or Bump > and > > run is/was NASCAR. > > > > Rockingham - Bobby Hamilton, Earnhardt moved him with bump and run and > went > > on to win the race. Bobby didn't wreck and finished 2nd I believe. > > > > Loudon BGN - Nemechek, Earnhardt moved him, but got him a little more

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> of > > shape than he intended. Earnhardt slowed down, waited for Joe to get > > control of the car, let Joe get back in the lead before racing to the > line. > > Joe won. > > > > Bristol - Rusty Wallace, Jeff Gordon moved him, and went on to win the > race, > > Rusty was 2nd I believe. > > > > > > "Phillip Malphrus Jr" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:[email hidden]... > > > Yes, he had their respect all right but it was not just for his

driving, > > it > > > was for the kind of man he was as well. He was a very nice man basedon > > what > > > I've heard, it's a shame I didnt know that until he was gone. Theyknew > > > whenever he was on their bumper with 2 to go that they were going tobe > > > wrecked. You can't even name one race when the above scenario was true > > that > > > he didn't wreck the other driver. If he could get to them, he would > wreck > > > them. Just ask Terry Labonte. So, if there was someone online likethat,

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> > how > > > would that person be treated though? > > > > > > > > > > > > "Ryan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > news:q7Dz8.176$[email hidden]... > > > > I think that decribing Earnhardt as what we classify a "wrecker" to

be > > is > > > > downright insulting. Earnhardt drove like anyone would on aSaturday > > > night > > > > at a local dirt track. I think if you thought it about a little > longer, > > > you > > > > might realize that yes, Earnhardt got into/caused a lot ofaccidents, > > but > > > he > > > > was just an aggressive driver and accidents happen when you're > > aggressive. > > > > If all he did was crash people out to win races, he would not havewon

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> > the > > > > respect of the fans or of his fellow racers. 7 championships speak > for > > > > themselves...... > > > > > > > > Ryan > > > > > > > > "Phillip Malphrus Jr" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > > news:3cceddba$[email hidden]... > > > > > I am sad for his family that he is gone, but he was not what stock > car > > > > > racing was all about. Many others have come and gone as well as > Dale. > > I > > > > > never watched a NASCAR race to see Dale Earnhardt. If he couldnt

win > > by > > > a > > > > > fair pass, he would move you out of the way. Any "sim" racer that > > drove > > > > like > > > > > that would had been muzzled and that's what is so funny about alot > of > > > sim > > > > > racers that I see: all the time bashing people for wrecking people > > > online > > > > in > > > > > a game and then they would pull for someone in real life who madea

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> > > living > > > > > doing it. Sorry, but that is true. > > > > > > > > > > Regards, Phillip > > > > > > > > > > "John Pancoast" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > > > news:[email hidden]... > > > > > > In a nutshell Goy, he was what stock car racing is all about, > > unlike > > > > the > > > > > > pretty boy/corporate version of today :) > > > > > > Dale could do both sides of the fence. Guys today > can't/haven't. > > > > > > > > > > > > -John > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Goy Larsen" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > > > > news:[email hidden]... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > John Pancoast wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Isn't the same, never will be, without The Man. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nope > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm not a NASCAR fan by any definition of the word, the few > times > > I > > > > > > > watched the reruns on Eurosport or checked the results on the > web > > > was > > > > to > > > > > > > see how Dale was doing > > > > > > > > > > > > > > He was something else > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Beers and cheers > > > > > > > (uncle) Goy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "The Pits" http://www.theuspits.com/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "A man is only as old as the woman he feels" > > > > > > > --Groucho Marx-- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

Amen......... -John "Uncle Fester" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Dan Toloso wrote: > > moving or bump and run is a lot different than wrecking. Moving or Bumpand > > run is/was NASCAR. > > > > Rockingham - Bobby Hamilton, Earnhardt moved him with bump and run andwent > > on to win the race. Bobby didn't wreck and finished 2nd I believe. > > > > Loudon BGN - Nemechek, Earnhardt moved him, but got him a little moreout of > > shape than he intended. Earnhardt slowed down, waited for Joe to get > > control of the car, let Joe get back in the lead before racing to theline. > > Joe won. > > > > Bristol - Rusty Wallace, Jeff Gordon moved him, and went on to win therace,

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> > Rusty was 2nd I believe. > > > > Yep, it's part of the strategies/tactics that *are* NASCAR. It's not > freakin' F1. And hope it never gets there. > > > -- > > Fester > > Hey nobody's perfect, not even myself 8) > -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> 4/15/02 >

In article <[email hidden]>, "Phillip Malphrus, Jr." <[email hidden]> writes: >How about Dale JarrettvsDavey Allison, Rick WilsonvsBill Elliott, Jimmy >SpencervsErnie Irvan. I am dropping it since no one came name a race other >than Daytona, where people dont like to rub anyway at those speeds. >Actually, I know another but the fact no one else does is amazing and proves >my point. No it doesn't. Most people don't remember who came in second at a given race unless it was something spectacular. Like Al Unser Jr beating Scott Goodyear at Indy(smallest margin of victory up to then). In order to answer your question, one would first have to find a race where Dale came in second. Then you'd have to find the details on that particular race, if they're even AVAILABLE... In order to answer your question to your apparent satisfaction, one would have to have a detailed NASCAR reference handy. I don't know many people who DO... Eldred -- Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett A friend of mine is involved in a fund-raiser walk-a-thon for research to cure breast cancer. If you can, please go to my homepage and see how to make a donation. Thank you. Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

oh yeah, I'm a troll for posting an opinion contrary to popular opinion and I should be beaten because my opinion is different ... Nothing I've said is a personal attack to anyone on here but I should be beaten. This is called free speech. We are not in communist Russia ... I'm sorry it has come to a personal insult. Dale Earnhardt was a wonderful man who will forever be the benchmark on which to compare stock car drivers to. Now everyone can be happy! "Uncle Fester" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... To me, he's a troll who don't need a reply. He needs taken out back behind the woodshed & busted upside his... :-)

lol, whatever. I'm a troll for having a different opinion than yours and my post is a trollish one while yours is not. Thanks for your time. "Schooner" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:lEQz8.5285$[email hidden]... > I have not intention of continuing this discussion. You seem to be hereto

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> troll so let's leave it that we differ in our views. > > "Phillip Malphrus, Jr." <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:3ccf5589$[email hidden]... > > John, I have no problem with you, was responding to someone else named > > Schooner ... > > > > "John Pancoast" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:[email hidden]... > > > Hey Phillip, you made your point on my thread; I made mine; you

don't

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> > like > > > him, I do, etc. What say we drop it, eh ? Pretty petty in the first > > place. > > > > > > -John > > > > > > > > > "Phillip Malphrus, Jr." <[email hidden]> wrote in

message > > > news:[email hidden]... > > > > Just name a race ... > > > > > > > > "Schooner" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > > news:WqEz8.5108$[email hidden]... > > > > > "You can't even name one race when the above scenario was truethat > > > > > he didn't wreck the other driver. If he could get to them, hewould

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> > > wreck > > > > > them." > > > > > > > > > > Please cut out the BS and stop disrespecting DE, that statement is > not > > > > > anywhere near true. Sure some people got spun by him but others > have > > > done > > > > > it as well and he never did it every race as you claim. > > > > > > > > > > "Phillip Malphrus Jr" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > > > news:[email hidden]... > > > > > > Yes, he had their respect all right but it was not just for his > > > driving, > > > > > it > > > > > > was for the kind of man he was as well. He was a very nice man > based > > > on > > > > > what > > > > > > I've heard, it's a shame I didnt know that until he was gone.

They > > > knew > > > > > > whenever he was on their bumper with 2 to go that they weregoing > to > > > be > > > > > > wrecked. You can't even name one race when the above scenariowas > > true > > > > > that > > > > > > he didn't wreck the other driver. If he could get to them, he > would > > > > wreck > > > > > > them. Just ask Terry Labonte. So, if there was someone onlinelike

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> > > that, > > > > > how > > > > > > would that person be treated though? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Ryan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > > > > news:q7Dz8.176$[email hidden]... > > > > > > > I think that decribing Earnhardt as what we classify a

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> > to > > > be > > > > > is > > > > > > > downright insulting. Earnhardt drove like anyone would on a > > > Saturday > > > > > > night > > > > > > > at a local dirt track. I think if you thought it about a

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> > > > longer, > > > > > > you > > > > > > > might realize that yes, Earnhardt got into/caused a lot of > > > accidents, > > > > > but > > > > > > he > > > > > > > was just an aggressive driver and accidents happen when you're > > > > > aggressive. > > > > > > > If all he did was crash people out to win races, he would not > have > > > won > > > > > the > > > > > > > respect of the fans or of his fellow racers. 7 championships > > speak > > > > for > > > > > > > themselves...... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ryan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Phillip Malphrus Jr" <[email hidden]> wrote in > message > > > > > > > news:3cceddba$[email hidden]... > > > > > > > > I am sad for his family that he is gone, but he was not what > > stock > > > > car > > > > > > > > racing was all about. Many others have come and gone as well > as > > > > Dale. > > > > > I > > > > > > > > never watched a NASCAR race to see Dale Earnhardt. If he > couldnt > > > win > > > > > by > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > fair pass, he would move you out of the way. Any "sim" racer > > that > > > > > drove > > > > > > > like > > > > > > > > that would had been muzzled and that's what is so funny

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> a > > > lot > > > > of > > > > > > sim > > > > > > > > racers that I see: all the time bashing people for wrecking > > people > > > > > > online > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > a game and then they would pull for someone in real life who > > made > > > a > > > > > > living > > > > > > > > doing it. Sorry, but that is true. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, Phillip > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "John Pancoast" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > > > > > > news:[email hidden]... > > > > > > > > > In a nutshell Goy, he was what stock car racing is all > > about, > > > > > unlike > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > pretty boy/corporate version of today :) > > > > > > > > > Dale could do both sides of the fence. Guys today > > > > can't/haven't. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -John > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Goy Larsen" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > > > > > > > news:[email hidden]... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > John Pancoast wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Isn't the same, never will be, without The Man. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nope > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm not a NASCAR fan by any definition of the word, the > few > > > > times > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > watched the reruns on Eurosport or checked the results

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> > the > > > > web > > > > > > was > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > see how Dale was doing > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > He was something else > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Beers and cheers > > > > > > > > > > (uncle) Goy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "The Pits" http://www.theuspits.com/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "A man is only as old as the woman he feels" > > > > > > > > > > --Groucho Marx-- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

Fwiw, Phillip's been around sim racing for awhile. Obviously don't agree with him on this topic, but a troll he is not. -John "Phillip Malphrus Jr" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:3cd054e5$[email hidden]... > oh yeah, I'm a troll for posting an opinion contrary to popular opinionand > I should be beaten because my opinion is different ... Nothing I've saidis

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> a personal attack to anyone on here but I should be beaten. This is called > free speech. We are not in communist Russia ... I'm sorry it has come to a > personal insult. > > Dale Earnhardt was a wonderful man who will forever be the benchmark on > which to compare stock car drivers to. > > Now everyone can be happy! > > "Uncle Fester" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > To me, he's a troll who don't need a reply. He needs taken out back > behind the woodshed & busted upside his... :-) > > >

Phillip Malphrus Jr wrote:

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> oh yeah, I'm a troll for posting an opinion contrary to popular opinion and > I should be beaten because my opinion is different ... Nothing I've said is > a personal attack to anyone on here but I should be beaten. This is called > free speech. We are not in communist Russia ... I'm sorry it has come to a > personal insult. > > Dale Earnhardt was a wonderful man who will forever be the benchmark on > which to compare stock car drivers to. > > Now everyone can be happy! > > "Uncle Fester" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > To me, he's a troll who don't need a reply. He needs taken out back > behind the woodshed & busted upside his... :-)

Joke son. See the smiley?? Don't whine. I doesn't become you. I see your post as a troll simply because your claims were *so* outrageous & out of the ballpark and was presented in such a way that it comes off like that. -- Fester Hey nobody's perfect, not even myself 8) -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> 4/15/02