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Dave Noonan and his mob have released the NR2002 converter! It's available onn the US Pits. I converted Silverstone and O'ring, but now, it's time to go to work! Arrrggghhh! -- ========================================================= DeMONS/1 for Nascar Racing 3 & Nascar Legends http://www.paddedwall.org/demons DeMONS/2 for Nascar Racing 4 and 2002 Season (in development) http://www.paddedwall.org/demons2 RASCAR Roster http://www.paddedwall.org/rascar Redneck Techno-Biker & "programming deity" http://www.paddedwall.org/john Barbarian Diecast Collector (460+ cars and counting) http://www.paddedwall.org/diecast If you want to send me email, go to the first URL shown above & click "Send Me Mail" in the contents frame. =========================================================

GOOOOO ONNNN DAVEEE :) I suppose I'll have to install n2002 now ;) Ash http://www.siroccoracing.com "John Simmons" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Dave Noonan and his mob have released the NR2002 converter! > > It's available onn the US Pits. I converted Silverstone and O'ring, but > now, it's time to go to work! Arrrggghhh! >

John Simmons wrote: > Dave Noonan and his mob have released the NR2002 converter! > > It's available onn the US Pits. I converted Silverstone and O'ring, but > now, it's time to go to work! Arrrggghhh! :-) Thanks for the great news. And thanks to Dave! :-) -- Fester Hey nobody's perfect, not even myself 8) -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> 4/15/02

On Wed, 01 May 2002 11:17:37 GMT, John Simmons <[email hidden]> wrote: >Dave Noonan and his mob have released the NR2002 converter! > >It's available onn the US Pits. I converted Silverstone and O'ring, but >now, it's time to go to work! Arrrggghhh! Whoohoo! "Will convert these tracks. Cleveland, Bullrun, Nashville, Trenton, Osring, Silverstone, St. Jovite (final version) and South Boston [3.1 M]" I thought I had all available GPL tracks, but Nashville and South Boston don't ring a bell.. where can I download those tracks? Are they road tracks? Andre

In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden] (John Simmons) wrote: > Dave Noonan and his mob have released the NR2002 converter! Excellent job guys! Installer works *superbly* and the tracks... heck, any chance of converting these graphics back to GPL? :o) Mmm... you know, I *really* need to sign the GPL2 petition again. I'll buy two copies, so two votes is ok... honest! I've only managed a quick (ok, slow) lap or two of Silverstone and the O'Ring, but it's a crazy experience... especially T1 at the O'Ring if you forget to slow down. You'll believe a man can fly! <adopts best Superman pose and bangs knuckles on monitor> Well done again everyone concerned. Andrew "is that enough *rse-licking yet? Where's the freakin' NRing then!!? ;o)" McP

"Andre Warringa" > I thought I had all available GPL tracks, but Nashville and South > Boston don't ring a bell.. where can I download those tracks? > Are they road tracks? > > Andre Nope short, really short ovals from the old Busch expansion pak for N2/99 dave henrie

Andrew MacPherson wrote: > > Andrew "is that enough *rse-licking yet? Where's the freakin' NRing > then!!? ;o)" McP Unless Dave or someone else can pull something really special out of their hat, we will never see the Ring and Spa and other such big tracks converted, they're simply too big....or so I've been told Of course if Eric B or Grant R or any of the other guys from Papy have any info on this subject I'd be only too happy to pass it on to the proper "authorities" ...:-) Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy http://www.theuspits.com http://www.teammirage.com "A man is only as old as the woman he feels........" --Groucho Marx--

too big as in disk space or the effect on framerate? "Goy Larsen" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> Andrew MacPherson wrote: > > > > Andrew "is that enough *rse-licking yet? Where's the freakin' NRing > > then!!? ;o)" McP > > Unless Dave or someone else can pull something really special out of > their hat, we will never see the Ring and Spa and other such big tracks > converted, they're simply too big....or so I've been told > > Of course if Eric B or Grant R or any of the other guys from Papy have > any info on this subject I'd be only too happy to pass it on to the > proper "authorities" ...:-) > > > Beers and cheers > (uncle) Goy > > http://www.theuspits.com > http://www.teammirage.com > > "A man is only as old as the woman he feels........" > --Groucho Marx--

A pox on you Andre ! :) Nashville and South Boston are two of the most "classic" bullrings in Nascar history, imo. Great fun to race on. Back in the early 60's, Nashville actually had steeper banking than Bristol at one time..........didn't last for long though. South Boston is famous for it's bologna burgers.......need I say more ?<G> -John "Andre Warringa" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> On Wed, 01 May 2002 11:17:37 GMT, John Simmons <[email hidden]> wrote: > > >Dave Noonan and his mob have released the NR2002 converter! > > > >It's available onn the US Pits. I converted Silverstone and O'ring, but > >now, it's time to go to work! Arrrggghhh! > > Whoohoo! > "Will convert these tracks. Cleveland, Bullrun, Nashville, Trenton, > Osring, Silverstone, St. Jovite (final version) and South Boston [3.1 > M]" > > I thought I had all available GPL tracks, but Nashville and South > Boston don't ring a bell.. where can I download those tracks? > Are they road tracks? > > Andre >

Phillip Malphrus Jr wrote: > > too big as in disk space or the effect on framerate? I'm only reporting what I've been told, so I could have gotten this wrong, but apparently N2002 doesn't support tracks bigger than a certain size, I've forgotten the exact number, and this size is much smaller than with GPL, so the problem lies within N2002 itself Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy http://www.theuspits.com http://www.teammirage.com "A man is only as old as the woman he feels........" --Groucho Marx--

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> Phillip Malphrus Jr wrote: > > > > too big as in disk space or the effect on framerate? > > I'm only reporting what I've been told, so I could have gotten this > wrong, but apparently N2002 doesn't support tracks bigger than a certain > size, I've forgotten the exact number, and this size is much smaller > than with GPL, so the problem lies within N2002 itself >

The bore is fine, it's the stroke that's the problem. ~8,000m db

Gotta second this one; God bless Dave Noonan & co. Seeing the old haunts with full NR2002 graphic, sound and physics glory certainly sparks the imagination about what GPL2 could be. (pauses to mop up drool, imagining the current sound code applied to a 12,000 rpm V12) Wistfully looking forward to a *full* converter, filthy lucre in hand. Thank you Dave! SB "Andrew MacPherson" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden] > (John Simmons) wrote: > > > Dave Noonan and his mob have released the NR2002 converter! > > Excellent job guys! Installer works *superbly* and the tracks... heck, any > chance of converting these graphics back to GPL? :o) > > Mmm... you know, I *really* need to sign the GPL2 petition again. I'll buy > two copies, so two votes is ok... honest! > > I've only managed a quick (ok, slow) lap or two of Silverstone and the > O'Ring, but it's a crazy experience... especially T1 at the O'Ring if you > forget to slow down. You'll believe a man can fly! <adopts best Superman > pose and bangs knuckles on monitor> > > Well done again everyone concerned. > > Andrew "is that enough *rse-licking yet? Where's the freakin' NRing > then!!? ;o)" McP >

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> A pox on you Andre ! :) Nashville and South Boston are two of the most >"classic" bullrings in Nascar history, imo. Great fun to race on. Back in >the early 60's, Nashville actually had steeper banking than Bristol at one >time..........didn't last for long though. > > South Boston is famous for it's bologna burgers.......need I say more ?<G> > >-John

Right.. time to dig up my N3 cd then :) Andre

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> > On Wed, 1 May 2002 08:03:26 -0600, "John Pancoast" > <[email hidden]> wrote: > > > A pox on you Andre ! :) Nashville and South Boston are two of the most > >"classic" bullrings in Nascar history, imo. Great fun to race on. Back in > >the early 60's, Nashville actually had steeper banking than Bristol at one > >time..........didn't last for long though. > > > > South Boston is famous for it's bologna burgers.......need I say more ?<G> > > > >-John > > Right.. time to dig up my N3 cd then :)

Why, don't you have N3 installed alnong with the TPTCC patch and the converted GPL tracks ??? Tsk tsk tsk Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy http://www.theuspits.com http://www.teammirage.com "A man is only as old as the woman he feels........" --Groucho Marx--

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> On Wed, 01 May 2002 11:17:37 GMT, John Simmons <[email hidden]> wrote: > > >Dave Noonan and his mob have released the NR2002 converter! > > > >It's available onn the US Pits. I converted Silverstone and O'ring, but > >now, it's time to go to work! Arrrggghhh! > > Whoohoo! > "Will convert these tracks. Cleveland, Bullrun, Nashville, Trenton, > Osring, Silverstone, St. Jovite (final version) and South Boston [3.1 > M]" > > I thought I had all available GPL tracks, but Nashville and South > Boston don't ring a bell.. where can I download those tracks? > Are they road tracks? > > Andre >

all right! short tracks, and nashville, my favorite.. thnx guys, rob

Oh good....Nice going, Dave! Maybe this means an N2002 mip converter for track graphics will soon be available and I can fix the graphics for Sears Point in N2002 (which nobody except those of us out here at Sears who are simmers seem to care much about....understandable I guess). Also, maybe we'll finally see some of the US road courses available with good graphics and a decent car physics to drive them on? This can't be a bad deal for N2002 becoming the "universal sim." Next....hack the car physics and get the "car modelers" busy on sports cars! TP "John Simmons" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> Dave Noonan and his mob have released the NR2002 converter! > > It's available onn the US Pits. I converted Silverstone and O'ring, but > now, it's time to go to work! Arrrggghhh! > > > -- > ========================================================= > DeMONS/1 for Nascar Racing 3 & Nascar Legends > http://www.paddedwall.org/demons > DeMONS/2 for Nascar Racing 4 and 2002 Season (in development) > http://www.paddedwall.org/demons2 > RASCAR Roster > http://www.paddedwall.org/rascar > Redneck Techno-Biker & "programming deity" > http://www.paddedwall.org/john > Barbarian Diecast Collector (460+ cars and counting) > http://www.paddedwall.org/diecast > > If you want to send me email, go to the first URL shown > above & click "Send Me Mail" in the contents frame. > =========================================================

Sorry to have to tell you that Nashville and South Boston are N3-Tracks, and you cannot download them legally from anywhere. Achim "Andre Warringa" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> On Wed, 01 May 2002 11:17:37 GMT, John Simmons <[email hidden]> wrote: > > >Dave Noonan and his mob have released the NR2002 converter! > > > >It's available onn the US Pits. I converted Silverstone and O'ring, but > >now, it's time to go to work! Arrrggghhh! > > Whoohoo! > "Will convert these tracks. Cleveland, Bullrun, Nashville, Trenton, > Osring, Silverstone, St. Jovite (final version) and South Boston [3.1 > M]" > > I thought I had all available GPL tracks, but Nashville and South > Boston don't ring a bell.. where can I download those tracks? > Are they road tracks? > > Andre >

Have you got Lacrosse yet? Its assume. MadDAWG

On Wed, 01 May 2002 15:19:50 GMT, Goy Larsen <[email hidden]> wrote:

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>Why, don't you have N3 installed alnong with the TPTCC patch and the >converted GPL tracks ??? > >Tsk tsk tsk > > >Beers and cheers >(uncle) Goy

Nope, I thought and still think N3 was a pile of crap :-/ Andre

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> > On Wed, 01 May 2002 15:19:50 GMT, Goy Larsen <[email hidden]> wrote: > > >Why, don't you have N3 installed alnong with the TPTCC patch and the > >converted GPL tracks ??? > > > >Tsk tsk tsk > > > > > >Beers and cheers > >(uncle) Goy > > Nope, I thought and still think N3 was a pile of crap :-/

Of course it was, but with the GPL tracks and the TPTCC patch, it was a load of fun online :-) Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy "The Pits" http://www.theuspits.com/ "A man is only as old as the woman he feels" --Groucho Marx--

On Wed, 01 May 2002 19:31:23 +0200, Goy Larsen <[email hidden]> wrote: >Of course it was, but with the GPL tracks and the TPTCC patch, it was a >load of fun online :-) > > >Beers and cheers >(uncle) Goy I just tried the converted tracks Silverstone, O-ring and St.Jovite, and it's bloody fun! About tracks being to big - I can imagine that the Ring would be too big, but if st.jovite can be converted, surely Bathurst could be done as well? Here's hoping.. Andre

Andre Warringa wrote: > > I just tried the converted tracks Silverstone, O-ring and St.Jovite, > and it's bloody fun! About tracks being to big - I can imagine that > the Ring would be too big, but if st.jovite can be converted, surely > Bathurst could be done as well? Here's hoping.. What tracks get converted is entirely up to Dave, but yes, AFAIK Bathurst isn't too long to make it so there's hope for us :-) Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy http://www.theuspits.com http://www.teammirage.com "A man is only as old as the woman he feels........" --Groucho Marx--

"MadDAWG" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Have you got Lacrosse yet? Its assume. > > MadDAWG > yes! and it's a verrry nice uh. rob

Well I suppose I good follow up question here would be; Is there any places one could download them *illegally*?) :) (anyway - last thing N2002 need imho - is more ovals.) -- ed_ "Joachim Trensz" <[email hidden]> skrev i melding news:aaoqr4$cebfm$[email hidden]... > Sorry to have to tell you that Nashville and South Boston are N3-Tracks, and > you cannot download them legally from anywhere. > > Achim > > > "Andre Warringa" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > On Wed, 01 May 2002 11:17:37 GMT, John Simmons <[email hidden]> wrote: > > > > >Dave Noonan and his mob have released the NR2002 converter! > > > > > >It's available onn the US Pits. I converted Silverstone and O'ring, but > > >now, it's time to go to work! Arrrggghhh! > > > > Whoohoo! > > "Will convert these tracks. Cleveland, Bullrun, Nashville, Trenton, > > Osring, Silverstone, St. Jovite (final version) and South Boston [3.1 > > M]" > > > > I thought I had all available GPL tracks, but Nashville and South > > Boston don't ring a bell.. where can I download those tracks? > > Are they road tracks? > > > > Andre > > > >

<g> Achim "Ed Solheim" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:J%_z8.9172$[email hidden]... > Well I suppose I good follow up question here would be; > > Is there any places one could download them *illegally*?) :) > (anyway - last thing N2002 need imho - is more ovals.)...

While I'm at it... Just a few observations or thoughts on the 'converted' tracks... Silverstone: *Very* good in N2002 - just like I thought it would be. Seem to be slightly less grip in this version compared to N4.. Is that so? (this is good btw, as the track got buckets of grip and do probably provide too fast lap times as it is.. A bit exaggregated camber perrhaps?) Also noticed a few bugs, but perhaps the banked pit road is the worst one.. Seems like you missed a trace there Dave. Os-ring: What can I say... Better than the GPL version! This should be another very good track to race these cars at.... it's fast, wide and open. Grip is again very good. Atleast it seems like all those 100's of silly trackside objects (threes) are gone this time - great stuff.... :-) South Boston: Pretty useless if you ask me... it's just too short! Nashville: Better than S.Boston...... Reminds me of a cross between Bristol and Martinsville.. Short track guys should love this one. Only noticed a few clippings on the infield and some weird shadowing stuff at the base of the outside wall... Trenton: This track looked very good.... but felt *very* slippery... I didnt notice the temp. while i was testing but the grip level felt way too low - Imho. Mind you I only did a few laps using easy and fast setups, but still this is the only track I've managed to loose the back end going into a turn at moderate speed... St.Jovite: Great track in real life - utterly useless in N2002! Why: During my test session my FPS varied from over 100 in turn 1 to 22 at some spots! And that was just me, driving alone on the track! I assue this is due t the hopeless way the track is constructed.... A billion 3do-objects and lots of wicked clipping and view distances. At some places I noticed the shadow of the car disappeared completely as if I were driving under the track surface... other spots I saw multiple car-shadows, however that is possible! The track also seems to be unrealisticly narrow at spots. Then there the bits where you can drive thru bridges and such... :-( Cleveland: Wow this place is big!! It's so big that I get completely disorientated... More trakcside objects and such would have helped here. "F10-view" will probably be a huge advantage here because it so hoplessly hard to get a good overview of the track ahead. Bull Run: This is by far the best conversion of the Track I've seen... those that got the track from N4 earlier this week should go back and reconvert it! This version rocks! I've only done 3 laps so far, best being a low 1:50... I cannot recall how that compare to other version of the track though. A graphical update for this track would have been great!... Having said that... if someone could have taken the original track - removed / flattened the wakcy bits (thats those two wildly backed turns) - this track could be a real winner imho... it got lots of good overtaking places and it's open enough to suit these cars... Dave...? :-) Would have been awsome of say Goodwood, Brands, Spa or Kyalami could be converted too... some of there tracks should be real good in N2002 I think.. -- ed_

On Wed, 1 May 2002 13:08:02 -0400, "MadDAWG" <[email hidden]> wrote: >Have you got Lacrosse yet? Its assume. > >MadDAWG Lacrosse? What kind of track is that? And where can I download it? Andre

On Thu, 02 May 2002 03:53:41 GMT, "Ed Solheim" <[email hidden]> wrote: >St.Jovite: >Great track in real life - utterly useless in N2002! >Why: During my test session my FPS varied from over 100 in turn 1 to 22 at >some spots! And that was just me, driving alone on the track! >I assue this is due t the hopeless way the track is constructed.... A St.Jovite had the same problem in GPL. There is a patch for the GPL version to remove the pit-building and trucks at the s/f line. Did you apply that to the GPL version? Fixed the GPL version for me, and allthough I only did a couple of laps on St.Jovite in N2002 yesterday, I didn't notice any fps problems. I posted an url for the fix here on RAS a couple of weeks ago, do a google search if you need it :) >Cleveland: >Wow this place is big!! It's so big that I get completely disorientated... >More trakcside objects and such would have helped here. "F10-view" will >probably be a huge advantage here because it so hoplessly hard to get a good >overview of the track ahead. Is it worth digging up my ICR2 cd for this one? I hated Cleveland in GPL, because it's so flat it's allmost impossible to drive on. I raced on O-ring untill 4am.. what a marvelous track for N2002! Andre

It's a flatten version of Bristol I think... Pretty well made too... (If only someone could make some real track creation tools for us/me.... - *sigh!* -- ed_ "Andre Warringa" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > On Wed, 1 May 2002 13:08:02 -0400, "MadDAWG" <[email hidden]> > wrote: > > >Have you got Lacrosse yet? Its assume. > > > >MadDAWG > > Lacrosse? What kind of track is that? And where can I download it? > > Andre

"Andre Warringa" > >MadDAWG > > Lacrosse? What kind of track is that? And where can I download it? > > Andre It's another Short oval Andre...and it's at the Pits. dave henrie (see there used to be this Busch expansion pak which had a whole bunch of short tracks that were NOT used by the big boys in Winston Cup. These small ovals got quite a cult following...racing a short oval is often compared to a road course since your are almost always changing your lines due to traffic. There is a devoted core following for the shorties..or Bullrings as they are known as)

It's an actual track in Wisconsin Andre. Great bullring, a must-have IMO. -John "Andre Warringa" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> On Wed, 1 May 2002 13:08:02 -0400, "MadDAWG" <[email hidden]> > wrote: > > >Have you got Lacrosse yet? Its assume. > > > >MadDAWG > > Lacrosse? What kind of track is that? And where can I download it? > > Andre

Isn't that like saying the last thing GPL needs is more road courses? "Ed Solheim" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<J%_z8.9172$[email hidden]>... > (anyway - last thing N2002 need imho - is more ovals.)

On 2 May 2002 07:58:01 -0700, [email hidden] (Gerald Moore) wrote: >Isn't that like saying the last thing GPL needs is more road courses? Nope. Andre >"Ed Solheim" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<J%_z8.9172$[email hidden]>... > >> (anyway - last thing N2002 need imho - is more ovals.)

Nope. Andre >> (anyway - last thing N2002 need imho - is more ovals.)

hehe......kind of what I thought too..........it's a stock car sim after all. I'd love to see a bunch more ovals..............of the short track variety. -John "Gerald Moore" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Isn't that like saying the last thing GPL needs is more road courses? > > "Ed Solheim" <[email hidden]> wrote in messagenews:<J%_z8.9172$[email hidden]>... > > > (anyway - last thing N2002 need imho - is more ovals.)

> (see there used to be this Busch expansion pak which had a whole bunch of > short tracks that were NOT used by the big boys in Winston Cup. Thesesmall > ovals got quite a cult following...racing a short oval is often comparedto > a road course since your are almost always changing your lines due to > traffic. There is a devoted core following for the shorties..or Bullrings > as they are known as) Damn straight! NASCAR would can any track over 1 mile if I was in charge :). I think the reason short tracks are so popular is that is what most people can relate to. Nothing like a good old Saturday night short track race on dirt or pavement. I can hear Gratton Raceway (road course) from where I live and have never been there, but I drive to another state for a short track race. Hell I'd go to NY for super DIRT week if I could talk the women it letting me go. *sigh* MadDAWG

>"Goy Larsen" <[email hidden]> wrote > Why, don't you have N3 installed alnong with the TPTCC patch and the > converted GPL tracks ??? It always crashed when I tried to race at Spa. The car dropped but after a feet the PC would reboot itself. It was the only track I really cared about, so it went into the recycle bin... :( -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- http://www.ymenard.8m.com/ -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimato Dominguez Corporation - helping America into the New World...

> South Boston: > Pretty useless if you ask me... it's just too short! What would you know you like road courses for Christ sake! <VBG> Short tracks are all about bumper to bumper door handle to door handle racing. None of this follow the leader parade lap stuff. If it wasn't for short tracks there would be no NASCAR, and South Boston has played a big part in its growth. > Nashville: > Better than S.Boston...... Reminds me of a cross between Bristol and > Martinsville.. Short track guys should love this one. Only noticed a few > clippings on the infield and some weird shadowing stuff at the base of the > outside wall... Nashville is another example of how NASCAR is going down hill. They drop one of the greatest short tracks for another blah and boring speedway. Oh well at least its not 1.5 miles long. MadDAWG

Have you tried an online race at this track yet? -- ed_ "MadDAWG" said: > > South Boston: > > Pretty useless if you ask me... it's just too short! > > What would you know you like road courses for Christ sake! <VBG> Short > tracks are all about bumper to bumper door handle to door handle racing. > None of this follow the leader parade lap stuff. If it wasn't for short > tracks there would be no NASCAR, and South Boston has played a big part in > its growth.

Fwiw, I raced there probably a dozen times or so online in N3, great fun. -John "Ed Solheim" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:EMfA8.9526$[email hidden]...

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> Have you tried an online race at this track yet? > > -- > ed_ > > > "MadDAWG" said: > > > South Boston: > > > Pretty useless if you ask me... it's just too short! > > > > What would you know you like road courses for Christ sake! <VBG> Short > > tracks are all about bumper to bumper door handle to door handle racing. > > None of this follow the leader parade lap stuff. If it wasn't for short > > tracks there would be no NASCAR, and South Boston has played a big part

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"Ed Solheim" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:EMfA8.9526$[email hidden]... > Have you tried an online race at this track yet? > > -- > ed_ Thats the problem "most" people online don't know how to race a short track. They have been brought up on the 1.5 milers and super speedways. They don't have the patance to run 15-20 laps behind a car to wait for them to slip up to make the pace. Its gun it and go. MadDAWG

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> > "Ed Solheim" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:EMfA8.9526$[email hidden]... > > Have you tried an online race at this track yet? > > > > -- > > ed_ > > Thats the problem "most" people online don't know how to race a short track. > They have been brought up on the 1.5 milers and super speedways. They don't > have the patance to run 15-20 laps behind a car to wait for them to slip up > to make the pace. Its gun it and go.

Actually, Mart was my fav oval track back on TEN, I could never qual properly there for some reason, but the team I was part of had some awesome long run setups, loved driving through the field :-) BullRun, WG, Sears and Marty, those where my tracks :-) Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy http://www.theuspits.com http://www.teammirage.com "A man is only as old as the woman he feels........" --Groucho Marx--

>"Goy Larsen" <[email hidden]> wrote > BullRun, WG, Sears and Marty, those where my tracks :-) Bull Run was the perfect NROS track! ;-) -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- http://www.ymenard.8m.com/ -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimato Dominguez Corporation - helping America into the New World...

N2/BGN/N99/N3 vs. N4/N2002 is a *huge* *huge* difference. I also raced S.Boston and the other BGN tracks alot online with N2/BGN.... but compared to what we got today that was crawling around on the floor vs. todays figure-skating! -- ed_ "John Pancoast" said: > Fwiw, I raced there probably a dozen times or so online in N3, great fun. > > > "Ed Solheim" SAID: > > Have you tried an online race at this track yet? > >

Didn't you just say that that was exactly why you *loved* short-tracks ??? I.E. all that "bumper to bumper door handle to door handle racing." - and " none of this follow the leader parade lap stuff." ?? Oki so the track might be joy to race for those who like they type of tracks.. but that was not what my inithial post was about - it was merely *my* observations and opinions on these new tracks. -- ed_ "MadDAWG" wrote: > > Thats the problem "most" people online don't know how to race a short track. > They have been brought up on the 1.5 milers and super speedways. They don't > have the patance to run 15-20 laps behind a car to wait for them to slip up > to make the pace. Its gun it and go.

That's true, but I don't see any reason why they still wouldn't be a blast. Sure, the sims are different, but the drivers aren't<G> -John "Ed Solheim" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:7mjA8.9658$[email hidden]... > N2/BGN/N99/N3 vs. N4/N2002 is a *huge* *huge* difference. > > I also raced S.Boston and the other BGN tracks alot online with N2/BGN.... > but compared to what we got today that was crawling around on the floorvs.

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> todays figure-skating! > > -- > ed_ > > "John Pancoast" said: > > > Fwiw, I raced there probably a dozen times or so online in N3, great > fun. > > > > > > "Ed Solheim" SAID: > > > Have you tried an online race at this track yet? > > > > > >

Marty is still a great track, the prob com is that so many of the guys on Sierra. don't know how to race at Marty. Achim "Goy Larsen" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > MadDAWG wrote:... > BullRun, WG, Sears and Marty, those where my tracks :-)...

If I may hazard a guess, what MadDAWG meant was 'bumper to bumper', but not 'one car on my roof and another one inside my trunk' ? ;-) Achim "Ed Solheim" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:esjA8.9674$[email hidden]... > Didn't you just say that that was exactly why you *loved* short-tracks ??? > I.E. all that "bumper to bumper door handle to door handle racing." - and" > none of this follow the leader parade lap stuff." ??...

Yeah my two statements do kinda contradict each other don't they. :) What I should have said is more along the lines of running side by side for laps waiting for one or the other to slip. The problem with short tracks online is most people online is they have this "don't touch me" type attitude which at short tracks rubbing is racing. Perfect example of this was a race at Richmond the other night. I follow this guy for about 6 laps. I was close but wasn't bumping him. Coming out of 2 he gets loose and chases it up the hill to save it. Of course this is my break and I get under him. we rub but nothing major. Neither of us spin and all he looses is his position to me when I bet him into turn 3 nothing more. The next thing I see is all kinds of #$$ hole coming across the top of the screen. Of course I did laugh when right after the last one to come across the screen my spotter comes on with "wreck in turn 1" and next time I go by guess who is all smashed up. Guess he should have spent less time typing :) MadDAWG

IMHO the prob is that people have deficiencies on the 'running side by side for laps waiting for one or the other to slip' side <g> Most races I've seen at Martinsville on Papy servers looked like the world championship of incompetent driving rather than races. The prob of most guys at the short tracks is that these tracks are far beyond their abilities, both in terms of driving (handling the car) and racecraft. I think btw one should avoid touching another car entirely in online racing, as warping all too easily creates a mess out of what in real life would have been mere friendly fender rubbing. But that certainly is a minor prob at the short tracks for me <g> Achim "MadDAWG" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Yeah my two statements do kinda contradict each other don't they. :)What > I should have said is more along the lines of running side by side forlaps > waiting for one or the other to slip. The problem with short tracks online > is most people online is they have this "don't touch me" type attitudewhich > at short tracks rubbing is racing. Perfect example of this was a race at > Richmond the other night. I follow this guy for about 6 laps. I was close > but wasn't bumping him. Coming out of 2 he gets loose and chases it up the > hill to save it. Of course this is my break and I get under him. we rubbut > nothing major. Neither of us spin and all he looses is his position to me > when I bet him into turn 3 nothing more. The next thing I see is all kinds > of #$$ hole coming across the top of the screen. Of course I did laughwhen > right after the last one to come across the screen my spotter comes onwith > "wreck in turn 1" and next time I go by guess who is all smashed up. Guess > he should have spent less time typing :) > > MadDAWG > >

Dang it! I'm wrong again.... [email hidden] (Andre Warringa) wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

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> On 2 May 2002 07:58:01 -0700, [email hidden] (Gerald Moore) wrote: > > >Isn't that like saying the last thing GPL needs is more road courses? > > Nope. > > Andre > > > >"Ed Solheim" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<J%_z8.9172$[email hidden]>... > > > >> (anyway - last thing N2002 need imho - is more ovals.)

Dang it! I'm wrong again....

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> >Isn't that like saying the last thing GPL needs is more road courses? > Nope. > Andre > >> (anyway - last thing N2002 need imho - is more ovals.)

In article <[email hidden]>, "MadDAWG" <[email hidden]> writes:

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>Yeah my two statements do kinda contradict each other don't they. :) What >I should have said is more along the lines of running side by side for laps >waiting for one or the other to slip. The problem with short tracks online >is most people online is they have this "don't touch me" type attitude which >at short tracks rubbing is racing. Perfect example of this was a race at >Richmond the other night. I follow this guy for about 6 laps. I was close >but wasn't bumping him. Coming out of 2 he gets loose and chases it up the >hill to save it. Of course this is my break and I get under him. we rub but >nothing major. Neither of us spin and all he looses is his position to me >when I bet him into turn 3 nothing more. The next thing I see is all kinds >of #$$ hole coming across the top of the screen. Of course I did laugh when >right after the last one to come across the screen my spotter comes on with >"wreck in turn 1" and next time I go by guess who is all smashed up. Guess >he should have spent less time typing :)

Why would you try to type while racing a short track ANYWAY? Darwinism...<g> Eldred -- Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett A friend of mine is involved in a fund-raiser walk-a-thon for research to cure breast cancer. If you can, please go to my homepage and see how to make a donation. Thank you. Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

> >Yeah my two statements do kinda contradict each other don't they. :)What > >I should have said is more along the lines of running side by side forlaps > >waiting for one or the other to slip. The problem with short tracksonline > >is most people online is they have this "don't touch me" type attitudewhich > >at short tracks rubbing is racing. Perfect example of this was a race at > >Richmond the other night. I follow this guy for about 6 laps. I was close > >but wasn't bumping him. Coming out of 2 he gets loose and chases it upthe > >hill to save it. Of course this is my break and I get under him. we rubbut > >nothing major. Neither of us spin and all he looses is his position to me > >when I bet him into turn 3 nothing more. The next thing I see is allkinds > >of #$$ hole coming across the top of the screen. Of course I did laughwhen > >right after the last one to come across the screen my spotter comes onwith > >"wreck in turn 1" and next time I go by guess who is all smashed up.Guess > >he should have spent less time typing :) Out of curiosity, what kind of latency did you have? I'm always scared of ANY kind of contact on line for fear one of us will warp a tiny bit and cause a massive crash. Anybody who watches Nascar on TV realizes that on a short track, it's EXPECTED that you'll have to shoulder your way by sometimes. I'd love to believe that can be done online but I think the technology isn't quite there yet (except on a LAN).