OT: Star Wars Episode 2

I can't remember the last time I've so eagerly anticipated the release of a movie. Never been a huge Star Wars fan, but this one looks like it could be very good. Am I setting myself up for dissappoinment? Seems like everytime I get excited about a sim release or demo I'm usually let down... - David Cook

>"David L. Cook" <[email hidden]> wrote > I can't remember the last time I've so eagerly anticipated the release ofa > movie. Never been a huge Star Wars fan, but this one looks like it couldbe > very good. Am I setting myself up for dissappoinment? Absolutely not. It won't let anybody down this time. Trust me ;-) -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- http://www.ymenard.8m.com/ -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimato Dominguez Corporation - helping America into the New World...

"David L. Cook" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:4UNz8.396$[email hidden]... > I can't remember the last time I've so eagerly anticipated the release ofa > movie. Never been a huge Star Wars fan, but this one looks like it couldbe > very good. Am I setting myself up for dissappoinment? Seems likeeverytime > I get excited about a sim release or demo I'm usually let down... I walked out of Episode One after half an hour - it was a load of balls. Lucas should allow his actors to act instead of over directing them into characterless puppets of his very own multi million pounds play-thing. See no reason why this one will be any different. Doug

"Douglas Ellison" <[email hidden]> wrote > I walked out of Episode One after half an hour - it was a load of balls. Ack.. That means you paid the man! Next time wait till you've read the reviews before you give him your money. If it's crap (like EP1 was) wait for the bugger to hit the TV or just download it to laugh at it instead. -- Frode

>"Douglas Ellison" <[email hidden]> wrote > See no reason why this one will be any different. Yes, I know many have completely lost faith after TPM, but trust me here Douglas, it redempts the Saga. -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- http://www.ymenard.8m.com/ -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimato Dominguez Corporation - helping America into the New World...

"David L. Cook" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:4UNz8.396$[email hidden]... > I can't remember the last time I've so eagerly anticipated the release ofa > movie. Never been a huge Star Wars fan, but this one looks like it couldbe > very good. Am I setting myself up for dissappoinment? Seems likeeverytime > I get excited about a sim release or demo I'm usually let down... > > - David Cook >Dont worry, I am the same, its much better than always expecting the worst :) I cant wait! Ash

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> > "David L. Cook" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:4UNz8.396$[email hidden]... > > I can't remember the last time I've so eagerly anticipated the release of > a > > movie. Never been a huge Star Wars fan, but this one looks like it could > be > > very good. Am I setting myself up for dissappoinment? Seems like > everytime > > I get excited about a sim release or demo I'm usually let down... > > > I walked out of Episode One after half an hour - it was a load of balls. > Lucas should allow his actors to act instead of over directing them into > characterless puppets of his very own multi million pounds play-thing. > > See no reason why this one will be any different. > > Doug > > >

I'm really happy to see that you're allowing your pre-cognative skills to develope. Now, STFU until you've actually seen the movie. -- ========================================================= DeMONS/1 for Nascar Racing 3 & Nascar Legends http://www.paddedwall.org/demons DeMONS/2 for Nascar Racing 4 and 2002 Season (in development) http://www.paddedwall.org/demons2 RASCAR Roster http://www.paddedwall.org/rascar Redneck Techno-Biker & "programming deity" http://www.paddedwall.org/john Barbarian Diecast Collector (460+ cars and counting) http://www.paddedwall.org/diecast If you want to send me email, go to the first URL shown above & click "Send Me Mail" in the contents frame. =========================================================

> Now, STFU until you've actually seen the movie. If you paid �5 to watch a movie, and got a pile of shit instead - would you recommend the sequel? Sure - the trailers look good - but trailers ALWAYS look good - even for shit movies Doug

"Ashley McConnell" > > > Dont worry, I am the same, its much better than always expecting the worst > :) > > I cant wait! > > Ash The best thing about episode 2 is that it means only 6 more months til Lord Of the Rings: The Two Towers is released. Harry Knowles from the "Ain't Cool News" website, (who trashed EP1 if I recall correctly) saw a rough cut and thought it was great. I can say with certainty that there will be some who rant and rave against EP2, but the 'buzz' so far seems positive. Heck it's only money...go during the afternoon and pay the cheap rate. dave henrie

"Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:RxRz8.33011$ao1.9395@rwcrnsc54... > > "Ashley McConnell" > > > > Dont worry, I am the same, its much better than always expecting theworst

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> > :) > > > > I cant wait! > > > > Ash > The best thing about episode 2 is that it means only 6 more months til > Lord Of the Rings: The Two Towers is released.

Oh oh.....Lotr 2! I think I am looking forward to that one even more :) Ash

John Simmons wrote: > > I'm really happy to see that you're allowing your pre-cognative skills > to develope. > > Now, STFU until you've actually seen the movie. Dream on.... Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy http://www.theuspits.com http://www.teammirage.com "A man is only as old as the woman he feels........" --Groucho Marx--

Since there is no possible way to determine the quality of the sequel without actually seeing it, a "strong" opinion of any kind is nothing more than silly speculation. I'm pretty certain Episode 2 will be the best Star Wars yet and one of the 10 greatest films of our generation. Keep in mind that I CAN make this claim because I'm psychic. BTW, careful crossing the street later this month, sometime around May 24th. ;0) It seems like you've already made up your mind about the film based on Episode 1 so actually seeing it may NOT be necessary for you to form an opinion. You'll dislike it on principle damn it, all 5 pounds worth! ;0) -- Joe Marques "Douglas Ellison" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:aaok73$c7986$[email hidden]... > > Now, STFU until you've actually seen the movie. > > If you paid �5 to watch a movie, and got a pile of shit instead - would you > recommend the sequel? > > Sure - the trailers look good - but trailers ALWAYS look good - even for > shit movies > > Doug > > >

> Heck it's only money...go during the afternoon and pay the cheap rate. > dave henrie Yer what? What cinema do YOU go to? Doug

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> > > Heck it's only money...go during the afternoon and pay the cheap rate. > > dave henrie > > Yer what? > > What cinema do YOU go to? > > Doug >

Its �3 before 6pm at my "local" �4.50 after Ash

"Ashley McConnell" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:j0Tz8.21647$7R.29188@NewsReader... > "Douglas Ellison" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:aaou7f$cge4a$[email hidden]... > > > > > Heck it's only money...go during the afternoon and pay the cheaprate.

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> > > dave henrie > > > > Yer what? > > > > What cinema do YOU go to? > > > > Doug > > > > Its �3 before 6pm at my "local" �4.50 after

And I thought it was rip-off-Britain. Must be just Rip-Off-Leicester. �5 at tea time, lunch time or any other time Doug

>"Douglas Ellison" <[email hidden]> wrote > Sure - the trailers look good - but trailers ALWAYS look good - even for > shit movies Some of us have seen more then just trailers. I know every darn inche possible that is in AOTC. I've read it all, the book, the script, the old scripts, the storyboards, the soundtrack, I've seen every possible footage on earth and I've seen about every Lucasfilm LTD picture for the movie. I already knew before TPM was released that it would be a hit, but also a miss (it did 450million dollars, let's never forget that). I already know that AOTC is a hit, a pure and simple hit. S P O I L E R S 1) 100 Jedi fighting against the ennemy 2) Yoda in a lightsaber fight against Dooku 3) Anakin and Obi-Wan chase Zam through Coruscant 4) Padme in sexy outfits (mmmmmmm lol) 5) Anakin vs. Dooku with multiple lightsabers 6) Anakin going bezerk on Tusken Raiders after the death of his mother 7) Obi-Wan in a Lightsaber fight against Jango Fett in the rain on Kamino 8) Clonetroopers fighting on the GOOD side 9) Death Star plans!!!!!!1 10) Anakin looses an arm 11) Watto! 12) Almost no Jar-Jar 13) Jango Fett vs. Jedi Master Mace "badass" Windu It will redempt everything, it will.. oh yes <homer drool> -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- http://www.ymenard.8m.com/ -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimato Dominguez Corporation - helping America into the New World...

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Hey, am I the only person in this galaxy who LIKED episode one????

> Hey, am I the only person in this galaxy who LIKED episode one???? I liked it too (I saw it twice), but it wasn't what I was hoping for. It had some great moments but a generally lame story. I'll keep going to them as long as George makes them but I wish he would spend less time on the "wow, cool effects" factor and more on the "wow, great story" factor. And reduce the "cutesy kid" and "Jar Jar" factors to zero. God I hated that little brat they picked to play Anakin!

>"Tim Miser" <[email hidden]> wrote > Hey, am I the only person in this galaxy who LIKED episode one???? No. It's a good movie with some script problems. George hadn't directed for two decades, and it showed. It wasn't great like A New Hope, nor excellent like The Empire Strikes Back. It had it's moments, it had the Star Wars background. That's enough for me ;) It's a prelude to the other 5 movies. After knowing everything about AOTC, I can see that it did it's role pretty well. -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- http://www.ymenard.8m.com/ -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimato Dominguez Corporation - helping America into the New World...

>"Rob Adams" <[email hidden]> wrote > I liked it too (I saw it twice) Hey I saw it 5 times in the theater, and much more on VHS and DVD ;-) > I'll keep going to them as long as George makes them I would pay for 2 hour of about anything made by George Lucas, I guess ;-) > And reduce the "cutesy kid" and "Jar Jar" factors to > zero. God I hated that little brat they picked to play Anakin! It was on purpose, I'm absolutely sure now. Anakin still has his "brat" attitude, but it's much more complex. My main problem with TPM was in the script. Jar Jar and Anakin could had been much better giving the movie some better scriptments in certain portions of the movies. Oh the DROP THE MIDICHOLORIANS (which don't appear in E2). -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- http://www.ymenard.8m.com/ -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimato Dominguez Corporation - helping America into the New World...

Too late, we have the suite reserved "Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:RxRz8.33011$ao1.9395@rwcrnsc54... > > "Ashley McConnell" > > > > Dont worry, I am the same, its much better than always expecting theworst

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> > :) > > > > I cant wait! > > > > Ash > The best thing about episode 2 is that it means only 6 more months til > Lord Of the Rings: The Two Towers is released. > Harry Knowles from the "Ain't Cool News" website, (who trashed EP1 if I > recall correctly) saw a rough cut and thought it was great. I can say

with > certainty that there will be some who rant and rave against EP2, but the > 'buzz' so far seems positive. > Heck it's only money...go during the afternoon and pay the cheap rate. > dave henrie > >

I liked everything but the Jar Jar dood, to me it was unrealistic or should I say unbelievable and that ruined it for me all though I am a huge Star Wars fan :) "Rob Adams" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:BsYz8.4049$[email hidden]...

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| > Hey, am I the only person in this galaxy who LIKED episode one???? | | I liked it too (I saw it twice), but it wasn't what I was hoping for. It had | some great moments but a generally lame story. | | I'll keep going to them as long as George makes them but I wish he would | spend less time on the "wow, cool effects" factor and more on the "wow, | great story" factor. And reduce the "cutesy kid" and "Jar Jar" factors to | zero. God I hated that little brat they picked to play Anakin! | | |

In article <[email hidden]>, "Tim Miser" <[email hidden]> writes: >Hey, am I the only person in this galaxy who LIKED episode one???? Nope - I liked it too... Eldred -- Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett A friend of mine is involved in a fund-raiser walk-a-thon for research to cure breast cancer. If you can, please go to my homepage and see how to make a donation. Thank you. Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

"EldredP"wrote... > <snip> > Nope - I liked it too... We need one more to be able to play cards, as we say over here. ;-) Jan. =---

On Wed, 1 May 2002 13:34:20 -0700, "Tim Miser" <[email hidden]> wrote: >Hey, am I the only person in this galaxy who LIKED episode one???? Yes.

In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden] says... > > >Hey, am I the only person in this galaxy who LIKED episode one???? Nope. I think much of the dislike is of the "Hey! I'm cool too! I didn't like it either!" variety (not the first or last movie to get such.) I found the undercurrents to be nice, and the movie to be a great example of a start of an epic, one that has to introduce lots of history to set up what has to come later. Of course, the start is generally less exiting and, well, epic than what is to come and, given a choice, I'd much rather watch ANH or ESB. -Tim

In article <_tZz8.52136$[email hidden]>, [email hidden] says... >It was on purpose, I'm absolutely sure now. Er, right. Needed to be. There had to be a sense that this kid lacked some sort of important moral center. >Anakin still has his "brat" >attitude, but it's much more complex. Obvious from the trailers, really. I'm just hoping the actor is a bit better than the last. (Always a problem with Kid actors--the skill of the craft is generally lacking.) > My main problem with TPM was in the >script. Jar Jar and Anakin could had been much better giving the movie some >better scriptments in certain portions of the movies. To be fair, Lucas has always been heavy-handed with his scripts. But I'd certainly agree with your assessment, with a note that Anakin's part would have been helped by finding an amazing (and probably about non-existant) level of acting skill in a kid. > Oh the DROP THE >MIDICHOLORIANS (which don't appear in E2). Why? It makes sense that the scientific knowledge of a society (the jedi) that study the force will be at a high level. Finding various ways to scientifically measure just makes sense, even for a "mystical" thing. I forget who had that quote about a sufficiently high level of science appearing as magic. Of course, by the time we get to ANH, much of that science is basically forgotten or, really, ignored as unimportant. -Tim

In article <R0%z8.18746$[email hidden]>, [email hidden] says... > > >I liked everything but the Jar Jar dood, to me it was unrealistic or should I say unbelievable and that ruined it for me all though >I am a huge Star Wars fan :) Even with the lack of English skills here demonstrated, I'll reply. Annoying? Yes. I can see that. But how is Jar Jar unrealistic? -Tim

> I forget who had that quote about a sufficiently high level of scienceappearing > as magic. I think it was Arthur C. Clark, but he may have been quoting somebody.

"The Enigmatic One" <[email hidden]> wrote > To be fair, Lucas has always been heavy-handed with his scripts. But I'd > certainly agree with your assessment, with a note that Anakin's part would > have been helped by finding an amazing (and probably about non-existant) level > of acting skill in a kid. Only one pops to mind: Haley Joel Osment But he's too old by now I guess. -- Frode

>"The Enigmatic One" <[email hidden]> wrote > Er, right. Needed to be. There had to be a sense that this kid lackedsome > sort of important moral center. I'm still not totally convinced about some meta-approach to the whole Saga by Lucas. Basically, if you take the entire 6 movie in it's entirety, the whole thing started because of a dispute of trade taxation. That is, absolutely lame and uncambellian (an important term for mythological works like Star Wars). You can't start the wheel that will tumble the entire Universe with such small unimportant thing. Actually, you could, but Lucas just under-writes it in the first movie. 20 minutes after the start of the movie, nobody even cares about the dispute, it's way back in the mind of the viewer. It doesn't show itself back in the movie. It's just popped there, for no reason. There is also some other things, mostly the translation of the galactic republic into the empire, and some sociological changes between the state of mind of how people act in the prequels versus the original trilogy. There was a sense of despair that I can't see forming itself that much abruptly in only 20 or so years between Episode III and ANH. > Obvious from the trailers, really. I'm just hoping the actor is a bitbetter > than the last. (Always a problem with Kid actors--the skill of the craftis > generally lacking.) I wouldn't say a 21 year old person is a "kid" ;) > To be fair, Lucas has always been heavy-handed with his scripts. But I'd > certainly agree with your assessment, with a note that Anakin's part would > have been helped by finding an amazing (and probably about non-existant)level > of acting skill in a kid. Yes, "non-existant" is the thing here. It would had been the same with any kind of kid under 10 year old. The same self-centered attitude would had been present. It was a mistake from Lucas' mind to start the trilogy at that level instead of further into the timeline.

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> > Oh the DROP THE > >MIDICHOLORIANS (which don't appear in E2). > > Why? It makes sense that the scientific knowledge of a society (the jedi) > that study the force will be at a high level. Finding various ways to > scientifically measure just makes sense, even for a "mystical" thing. I > forget who had that quote about a sufficiently high level of science

appearing > as magic. Of course, by the time we get to ANH, much of that science is > basically forgotten or, really, ignored as unimportant. It's just like I wrote above, uncambellian. I still understand that the Jedi would share information that nobody else would have access to, but the viewer doesn't need to know that. We can easily assume that. The explanation Obi-Wan and Yoda say in the original trilogy is perfect. I also still sense the gap between E3 and ANH is too small. Note that I'm just stretching the problems that I have, they are over-shadowed by my deep love and understanding of Lucas' vision and Universe he created ;-) -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- http://www.ymenard.8m.com/ -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimato Dominguez Corporation - helping America into the New World...

>"The Enigmatic One" <[email hidden]> wrote > Even with the lack of English skills here demonstrated, I'll reply.Annoying? > Yes. I can see that. But how is Jar Jar unrealistic? Let's not feed the path of the pathological 35 year old "comic book guy" living on the Usenet to reply to our messages. From my experience in various movie or Star Wars newsgroups, it's the path to the Dark Side of the Force ;-D -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- http://www.ymenard.8m.com/ -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimato Dominguez Corporation - helping America into the New World...

You miss the point, the trade dispute was and is just a cover to get himseld (palapitine <sp>) into power and under mine the senate. Lucas himseld said that a lot of people would be lost on the first one, after reading the book for the second one "everything is going as I have for seen it" :) True fans loved all the movies..... Norm "ymenard" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:SUiA8.17831$[email hidden]...

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> >"The Enigmatic One" <[email hidden]> wrote > > Er, right. Needed to be. There had to be a sense that this kid lacked > some > > sort of important moral center. > > I'm still not totally convinced about some meta-approach to the whole Saga > by Lucas. Basically, if you take the entire 6 movie in it's entirety, the > whole thing started because of a dispute of trade taxation. That is, > absolutely lame and uncambellian (an important term for mythological works > like Star Wars). You can't start the wheel that will tumble the entire > Universe with such small unimportant thing. Actually, you could, but

Lucas > just under-writes it in the first movie. 20 minutes after the start ofthe > movie, nobody even cares about the dispute, it's way back in the mind ofthe > viewer. It doesn't show itself back in the movie. It's just poppedthere, > for no reason. > > > There is also some other things, mostly the translation of the galactic > republic into the empire, and some sociological changes between the stateof > mind of how people act in the prequels versus the original trilogy. There > was a sense of despair that I can't see forming itself that much abruptlyin

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> only 20 or so years between Episode III and ANH. > > > > > Obvious from the trailers, really. I'm just hoping the actor is a bit > better > > than the last. (Always a problem with Kid actors--the skill of the

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I'd > > certainly agree with your assessment, with a note that Anakin's partwould > > have been helped by finding an amazing (and probably about non-existant) > level > > of acting skill in a kid. > > > Yes, "non-existant" is the thing here. It would had been the same withany

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> kind of kid under 10 year old. The same self-centered attitude would had > been present. It was a mistake from Lucas' mind to start the trilogy at > that level instead of further into the timeline. > > > > > > Oh the DROP THE > > >MIDICHOLORIANS (which don't appear in E2). > > > > Why? It makes sense that the scientific knowledge of a society (the

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> > that study the force will be at a high level. Finding various ways to > > scientifically measure just makes sense, even for a "mystical" thing. I > > forget who had that quote about a sufficiently high level of science > appearing > > as magic. Of course, by the time we get to ANH, much of that science is > > basically forgotten or, really, ignored as unimportant. > > > > It's just like I wrote above, uncambellian. I still understand that the > Jedi would share information that nobody else would have access to, but

the > viewer doesn't need to know that. We can easily assume that. The > explanation Obi-Wan and Yoda say in the original trilogy is perfect. Ialso > still sense the gap between E3 and ANH is too small. Note that I'm just > stretching the problems that I have, they are over-shadowed by my deeplove

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> and understanding of Lucas' vision and Universe he created ;-) > > > > > -- > -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> > -- http://www.ymenard.8m.com/ > -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimato Dominguez > Corporation - helping America into the New World... > > >

In article <0XiA8.17844$[email hidden]>, [email hidden] says... >Let's not feed the path of the pathological 35 year old "comic book guy" >living on the Usenet to reply to our messages. From my experience in >various movie or Star Wars newsgroups, it's the path to the Dark Side of the >Force ;-D Now, now. Don't insult the comic book guy. He, though anal, shows some intelligence, unlike the poster I was responding to? I mean, unrealistic? In a world with Huts, Jawas, Wookies, Light Sabres...Gungans are unrealistic? -Tim

it "Looked" unrealistic.... at least to me, allthough you pick out flaws in any movie that stood out like a sore thumb...lol But with the others I never did understand how a Wookie could talk in his panguage and the human in his and they understand each other LOL "The Enigmatic One" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:0pzA8.2908$[email hidden]...

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| In article <0XiA8.17844$[email hidden]>, | [email hidden] says... | | >Let's not feed the path of the pathological 35 year old "comic book guy" | >living on the Usenet to reply to our messages. From my experience in | >various movie or Star Wars newsgroups, it's the path to the Dark Side of the | >Force ;-D | | Now, now. Don't insult the comic book guy. He, though anal, shows some | intelligence, unlike the poster I was responding to? I mean, unrealistic? In | a world with Huts, Jawas, Wookies, Light Sabres...Gungans are unrealistic? | | | -Tim | |

He's a great actor. More talented than most adult actors. Too bad he's far too soft-spoken and gentle to play mini-Darth. ;0) -- Joe Marques "Frode" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:wqhA8.9742$[email hidden]... > "The Enigmatic One" <[email hidden]> wrote > > To be fair, Lucas has always been heavy-handed with his scripts. But I'd > > certainly agree with your assessment, with a note that Anakin's part would > > have been helped by finding an amazing (and probably about non-existant) level > > of acting skill in a kid. > > Only one pops to mind: Haley Joel Osment > > But he's too old by now I guess. > > > > -- > Frode > > >

>"Norm Loewen" <[email hidden]> wrote > You miss the point, the trade dispute was and is just a cover to gethimseld > (palapitine <sp>) into power and under mine the senate. Actually, nobody knows for sure about that. Lucas never really told (except some hints in the EU) if Palpy planified the whole deal or if he jumped on the opportunity ship when he saw it was to happen (and offered diplomatic and political support). I mean, if Palpy wasn't there, would there had been or not really a trade dispute? > Lucas himseld said > that a lot of people would be lost on the first one, after reading thebook > for the second one "everything is going as I have for seen it" :) Well I've read it of course also. I'm tickled at the current rumour that the digital projection of Episode II will be different from the one in normal theatres. -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- http://www.ymenard.8m.com/ -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimato Dominguez Corporation - helping America into the New World...

>"The Enigmatic One" <[email hidden]> wrote > Now, now. Don't insult the comic book guy. He, though anal, shows some > intelligence, unlike the poster I was responding to? I mean, unrealistic?In > a world with Huts, Jawas, Wookies, Light Sabres...Gungans are unrealistic? Worst. Post. Ever. ;-P (joking) After 3 years of debates about Jar-Jar, as they are still raging on the Internet these days (just look at r.a.m.c-f), I think most of the people don't really care about Gungans as if they are unrealistic. It's more of the pertinence of the character. It's very rare these days that people hate Jar-Jar because he was a full CGI character. Actually, the fact that they discuss about him like any other major character proves that Lucas did his work well blending him in the movie, I say. -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- http://www.ymenard.8m.com/ -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimato Dominguez Corporation - helping America into the New World...

"ymenard" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:SUiA8.17831$[email hidden]... > been present. It was a mistake from Lucas' mind to start the trilogy at > that level instead of further into the timeline. hmmm, I always thought if anything the story started too late into the timeline. I think it would have been cool to have seen the story behind the creation of Annakin and the quest for the 'perfect' Jedi instead of start episode one when he' already 6 or so years old. Maybe someday there will be an Episode 0.1?! -Tim

"Tim Miser" (snip) . I think it would have been cool to have seen the story behind the > creation of Annakin and the quest for the 'perfect' Jedi instead of start > episode one when he' already 6 or so years old. Maybe someday there willbe > an Episode 0.1?! > > -Tim They have already done that several times...it's called Dune. :) <swap any mention of Kwizatz Hadderach and exchange it with Jedi..done>

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>I'm still not totally convinced about some meta-approach to the whole Saga >by Lucas. Basically, if you take the entire 6 movie in it's entirety, the >whole thing started because of a dispute of trade taxation. That is, >absolutely lame and uncambellian (an important term for mythological works >like Star Wars). You can't start the wheel that will tumble the entire >Universe with such small unimportant thing. Actually, you could, but Lucas >just under-writes it in the first movie. 20 minutes after the start of the >movie, nobody even cares about the dispute, it's way back in the mind of the >viewer. It doesn't show itself back in the movie. It's just popped there, >for no reason.

Huh? This seems a perfect thing, to me. Movements of fate/force/whatever taking on a butterfly-effect sort of thing. That said, Palpatine was pulling strings, setting things up to undermine the Senate, etc. We could have gotten more of that, certainly, but we'd need more movies. But why not a trade dispute? A group that can be aimed into doing your bidding, get things in motion, then make subtle adjustments as things occur. >There is also some other things, mostly the translation of the galactic >republic into the empire, and some sociological changes between the state of >mind of how people act in the prequels versus the original trilogy. There >was a sense of despair that I can't see forming itself that much abruptly in >only 20 or so years between Episode III and ANH. Really? I sensed that things weren't all rosy, myself. Areas where the Senate could do little...nor the Jedi, for that matter. Things seemed topheavy, with a government that seemed, for the most part, unresponsive. The Jedi seemed complacent, to an extent. (And some must have realized the significance of the phrase "bring balance to the force.")

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>> Obvious from the trailers, really. I'm just hoping the actor is a bit >better >> than the last. (Always a problem with Kid actors--the skill of the craft >is >> generally lacking.) > >I wouldn't say a 21 year old person is a "kid" ;)

I was referring to Lloyd from the first movie, but the problem can exist with young adult actors as well. >Yes, "non-existant" is the thing here. It would had been the same with any >kind of kid under 10 year old. The same self-centered attitude would had >been present. It was a mistake from Lucas' mind to start the trilogy at >that level instead of further into the timeline. And I'll disagree, with a note that even going earlier was possible. I know I've mentioned, on this board, and in discussion with you, that I think we'll learn a bit more about Ani's ancestry in this movie. I think things have been in motion, but this was a good place to jump in as it is the exact episode that thrust Palpatine into power and began Anakin's training. >It's just like I wrote above, uncambellian. I still understand that the >Jedi would share information that nobody else would have access to, but the >viewer doesn't need to know that. We can easily assume that. The Could we? I think we needed to see overly academic and unresponsive Jedi. Not gone bad, certainly, but very complacent. >explanation Obi-Wan and Yoda say in the original trilogy is perfect. Nice, but it is one that was from much more worldly Jedi. -Tim

In article <6YCA8.160105$[email hidden]>, [email hidden] says... >Actually, nobody knows for sure about that. Lucas never really told (except >some hints in the EU) if Palpy planified the whole deal or if he jumped on >the opportunity ship when he saw it was to happen (and offered diplomatic >and political support). I mean, if Palpy wasn't there, would there had been >or not really a trade dispute? Yes. A dispute for certain. They would seem to go without saying. Would it have gone to this extent? Not sure, probably not. Palpy provided support and a bit of nudging, probably not only in this situation, either. That said, it seemed to me that much of the problems of the world were there even without Palpy's interference.

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>> Lucas himseld said >> that a lot of people would be lost on the first one, after reading the >book >> for the second one "everything is going as I have for seen it" :) > >Well I've read it of course also. I'm tickled at the current rumour that >the digital projection of Episode II will be different from the one in >normal theatres.

Remember, Lucas loves to throw out rumors. I remember the big one, when I was young, that Obi Wan would be revealed as Luke's father in ESB. Lucas also loves to go back and change what we thought we knew, especially in terms of character relationships, so I'm expecting a big bombshell in this next movie. -Tim

In article <xyAA8.43944$[email hidden]>, [email hidden] says... > > >it "Looked" unrealistic.... at least to me, allthough you pick out flaws in any movie that stood out like a sore thumb...lol But >with the others I never did understand how a Wookie could talk in his panguage and the human in his and they understand each other >LOL Might I suggest that, the next time you think about watching a movie, you make sure it isn't Science Fiction or Fantasy. Those movies aren't for you. (And many would say you will miss nothing.) -Tim

"The Enigmatic One" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:L4nB8.2928$[email hidden]... > In article <xyAA8.43944$[email hidden]>, > [email hidden] says... > > > > > >it "Looked" unrealistic.... at least to me, allthough you pick out flawsin > any movie that stood out like a sore thumb...lol But > >with the others I never did understand how a Wookie could talk in hispanguage > and the human in his and they understand each other > >LOL Can not someone who has learned multiple languages, say Japanese converse with both? And if two partners who had been together along time, wouldn't they develop an understanding? I say let the Wookie win.... dave henrie > > Might I suggest that, the next time you think about watching a movie, youmake > sure it isn't Science Fiction or Fantasy. Those movies aren't for you.(And > many would say you will miss nothing.) > > > -Tim >

"ymenard" wrote > > I can't remember the last time I've so eagerly anticipated the releaseof > a > > movie. Never been a huge Star Wars fan, but this one looks like itcould > be > > very good. Am I setting myself up for dissappoinment? Well I found something else that will need my money the DAY before Eppy2 premiers...the newest RUSH album is due out May 14th...I'm listening to the first song now at their website... Neil Peart shows again he is the KING of all rock drummers.... dave henrie

Well after Ep1 and reading EP 2 I think the goal for attacking Naboo was to show the senate the need for a Republican Army, but they failed to capture the planet and therefor Palyp would not have had any support for this. Not giving away anything from the next movie but it seems he is doing similiar (shit) disturbing to worry everyone into needing this clone army. the only way this couldn't be true if Palpy and Sidious were not the same person. Otherwise how would you explain him attacking a planet on one hand and fighting for that planets protection the next. Least thats how its looking to me....its not so much the Trade federation....never has been....the Sith have been egging it all on....for what reason? To give Palpy his army and the strength to get to Episode 4 :) Norm "ymenard" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:6YCA8.160105$[email hidden]... > >"Norm Loewen" <[email hidden]> wrote > > You miss the point, the trade dispute was and is just a cover to get > himseld > > (palapitine <sp>) into power and under mine the senate. > > Actually, nobody knows for sure about that. Lucas never really told(except > some hints in the EU) if Palpy planified the whole deal or if he jumped on > the opportunity ship when he saw it was to happen (and offered diplomatic > and political support). I mean, if Palpy wasn't there, would there hadbeen

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> or not really a trade dispute? > > > > > Lucas himseld said > > that a lot of people would be lost on the first one, after reading the > book > > for the second one "everything is going as I have for seen it" :) > > Well I've read it of course also. I'm tickled at the current rumour that > the digital projection of Episode II will be different from the one in > normal theatres. > > > > > -- > -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> > -- http://www.ymenard.8m.com/ > -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimato Dominguez > Corporation - helping America into the New World... > > > >

"Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:RBpB8.133667$[email hidden]... > Well I found something else that will need my money the DAY before Eppy2 > premiers...the newest RUSH album is due out May 14th...I'm listening tothe > first song now at their website... > Neil Peart shows again he is the KING of all rock drummers.... > dave henrie All this machinery making modern music, can still be open hearted. ;)

"Tim Miser" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > "Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:RBpB8.133667$[email hidden]... > > Well I found something else that will need my money the DAY beforeEppy2

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> > premiers...the newest RUSH album is due out May 14th...I'm listening to > the > > first song now at their website... > > Neil Peart shows again he is the KING of all rock drummers.... > > dave henrie > > All this machinery making modern music, can still be open hearted. > > ;) >

Well, one likes to believe in the freedom of music.......

> > > Well I found something else that will need my money the DAY before > Eppy2 > > > premiers...the newest RUSH album is due out May 14th...I'm listeningto

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> > the > > > first song now at their website... > > > Neil Peart shows again he is the KING of all rock drummers.... > > > dave henrie > > > > All this machinery making modern music, can still be open hearted. > > > > ;) > > > > Well, one likes to believe in the freedom of music....... > >

Show, don't tell.

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> > "Tim Miser" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > "Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:RBpB8.133667$[email hidden]... > > > Well I found something else that will need my money the DAY before > Eppy2 > > > premiers...the newest RUSH album is due out May 14th...I'm listening

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> > the > > > first song now at their website... > > > Neil Peart shows again he is the KING of all rock drummers.... > > > dave henrie > > > > All this machinery making modern music, can still be open hearted. > > > > ;) > > > > Well, one likes to believe in the freedom of music.......

True, but those dang compromises shatter the illusion of integrity for me.

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> "Colin Harris" <[email hidden]> wrote in > message news:DDfC8.26497$[email hidden]... > > > > "Tim Miser" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:[email hidden]... > > > "Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > news:RBpB8.133667$[email hidden]... > > > > Well I found something else that will need my money the DAY before > > Eppy2 > > > > premiers...the newest RUSH album is due out May 14th...I'm listening > to > > > the > > > > first song now at their website... > > > > Neil Peart shows again he is the KING of all rock drummers.... > > > > dave henrie > > > > > > All this machinery making modern music, can still be open hearted. > > > > > > ;) > > > > > > > Well, one likes to believe in the freedom of music....... > > True, but those dang compromises shatter the illusion of integrity for me. > > >

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>"Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >news:RBpB8.133667$[email hidden]... >> Well I found something else that will need my money the DAY before Eppy2 >> premiers...the newest RUSH album is due out May 14th...I'm listening to >the >> first song now at their website... >> Neil Peart shows again he is the KING of all rock drummers.... >> dave henrie > >All this machinery making modern music, can still be open hearted. > >;) >

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> > >Well after Ep1 and reading EP 2 I think the goal for attacking Naboo was to >show the senate the need for a Republican Army, but they failed to capture >the planet and therefor Palyp would not have had any support for this. Not >giving away anything from the next movie but it seems he is doing similiar >(shit) disturbing to worry everyone into needing this clone army. the only >way this couldn't be true if Palpy and Sidious were not the same person. >Otherwise how would you explain him attacking a planet on one hand and >fighting for that planets protection the next. Least thats how its looking >to me....its not so much the Trade federation....never has been....the Sith >have been egging it all on....for what reason? To give Palpy his army and >the strength to get to Episode 4 :)

Erm. Cutting through the horrid english, but right-on, basically. Palpy/Sidious are obviously one and the same, to the point that the actor playing Palpy/Sidious played the emperor in ep 6. And yes, he seems big at behind-the-scenes manipulation. Makes him quite a nice villian, really. -Tim