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21 posts by 11 people · 04 Apr 2006 22:31 UTC - 10 Apr 2006 04:03 UTC

Flame warOff-topic: Dateline NBC report on NASCAR fans and racism

Mitch warned that Dateline NBC planned undercover filming at a NASCAR race for a report on attitudes to Muslims, calling it media propaganda. KeithB responded angrily, and the thread became a political flame war; Dave Henrie noted NASCAR had formally objected to the planned report.

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Mitch 04 Apr 2006 22:31 UTC#12231
Anyone going to the Texas race this weekend should know Dateline NBC is doing a show on racism towards Muslims since 9/11 and is using a Nascar event to try and make it's *predetrmined point (propaganda). If you see a pair of Turbin wearing bearded muslim gentlemen in the stands beware they may be filming undercover for dateline NBC which is looking to cast more nonsesical generalizations and stereotypes about Nascar fans to the world all the while ignoring the reality that a large percentage of Muslims throughout the world want nothing but death and destruction for the US and it's allies along with any non-believers. Im sure glad the mainstream American media has it's priorities straight. Mitch
Mitch wrote:
Quoted text (15 lines)> Anyone going to the Texas race this weekend should know Dateline NBC is > doing a show on racism towards Muslims since 9/11 and is using a Nascar > event to try and make it's *predetrmined point (propaganda). > > If you see a pair of Turbin wearing bearded muslim gentlemen in the stands > beware they may be filming undercover for dateline NBC which is looking to > cast more nonsesical generalizations and stereotypes about Nascar fans to > the world all the while ignoring the reality that a large percentage of > Muslims throughout the world want nothing but death and destruction for the > US and it's allies along with any non-believers. > > Im sure glad the mainstream American media has it's priorities straight. > > > Mitch
Do you mean you haven't noticed? The American (and European) media has become the Muslim world's most energetic press agents.
KeithB 05 Apr 2006 01:36 UTC↳ reply to Mitch#12233
Mitch wrote: > > ...a LARGE PERCENTAGE of > Muslims throughout the world want nothing but death and destruction for the > US and it's allies along with any non-believers. > Nazi-style racist propaganda and bullshit. Dubya and his fellow redneck Texans have got you hanging from their line like a hungry Catfish, haven't they. And BTW it's "turban" - there's nothing worse than destroying your own credibility with illiteracy. AND you forgot the usual troll link to alt.usenet.kooks. Jeez, what a poor attempt.
Plowboy 05 Apr 2006 13:02 UTC↳ reply to KeithB#12239
Piss off keith, your the one full of shit KeithB enlightened us with:
Quoted text (13 lines)> Mitch wrote: > >> >> ...a LARGE PERCENTAGE of >> Muslims throughout the world want nothing but death and destruction >> for the US and it's allies along with any non-believers. >> > > Nazi-style racist propaganda and bullshit. Dubya and his fellow > redneck Texans have got you hanging from their line like a hungry > Catfish, haven't they. And BTW it's "turban" - there's nothing worse > than destroying your own credibility with illiteracy. AND you forgot > the usual troll link to alt.usenet.kooks. Jeez, what a poor attempt.
Mitch 05 Apr 2006 19:10 UTC↳ reply to Plowboy#12243
What was that shrill sound I heard on RAS plow? Ah, a shrieking liberal spewing generalizations and racism (ala Cynthia McKinney) all the while calling me/us rednecks. Ah, the hypocrisy of the left, <vbseg>... From his response I'd guess Keith has contracted the "Al Gore-democrat06" virus. The symptoms you ask? "When confronted with truth and reality all brain functions cease as the mouth takes complete control over its host". The mouth, now totally in control of the host can only phrase one simple sentence, "it's ALL Bush's fault" ,"it's ALL Bush's fault", "it's ALL Bush's fault", "it's ALL Bush's fault" over and over and over. :) Mitch "PlowBoy" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:LdPYf.27377$EZ6.20428@dukeread12... > Piss off keith, your the one full of shit
mcewena 05 Apr 2006 20:24 UTC↳ reply to Mitch#12245
>If you see a pair of Turbin wearing bearded muslim gentlemen in the stands You're assuming they'll get past the texas rent-a-cops at the gate ;)
Mitch wrote:
Quoted text (15 lines)> Anyone going to the Texas race this weekend should know Dateline NBC is > doing a show on racism towards Muslims since 9/11 and is using a Nascar > event to try and make it's *predetrmined point (propaganda). > > If you see a pair of Turbin wearing bearded muslim gentlemen in the stands > beware they may be filming undercover for dateline NBC which is looking to > cast more nonsesical generalizations and stereotypes about Nascar fans to > the world all the while ignoring the reality that a large percentage of > Muslims throughout the world want nothing but death and destruction for the > US and it's allies along with any non-believers. > > Im sure glad the mainstream American media has it's priorities straight. > > > Mitch
You seriously need help. Why are you so nervous?
On Wed, 05 Apr 2006 23:14:01 GMT, rex roland wrote: > > You seriously need help. Why are you so nervous? Please refrain from full-quoting Mitch, you are thwarting my killfile attempts for peaceful RAS! ;-> All the best, uwe -- GPG Fingerprint: 2E 13 20 22 9A 3F 63 7F 67 6F E9 B1 A8 36 A4 61
> If you see a pair of turban wearing bearded Muslim gentlemen in the stands > beware they may be filming undercover... I just assumed it was a couple of women planning to go to the stoning if the race was boring...
Perhaps a moderated forum would suit you better. If ya cant take the heat get outta the kitchen as they say. I think my "thwarter" is tuned better now ;) Mitch "Uwe Sch�rkamp" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
Quoted text (8 lines)> Please refrain from full-quoting Mitch, you are thwarting my killfile > attempts for peaceful RAS! ;-> > > All the best, uwe > > > -- > GPG Fingerprint: 2E 13 20 22 9A 3F 63 7F 67 6F E9 B1 A8 36 A4 61
Seems like the rest of the world is catching up to this story. From the Auto Racing Daily: http://www.autoracingdaily.com/ NASCAR yesterday strongly objected to a planned series of news reports that targets race fans as potential sources of harassment of Muslim-Americans. As part of a broad story about American attitudes toward Islam, NBC newsmagazine "Dateline" is placing Muslim and Arab-American volunteers in a variety of public places, including NASCAR races, and filming their experiences in an attempt to record discrimination or harassment. "I think it's outrageous for a news organization of NBC's stature to go around and create news as opposed to reporting the news," NASCAR spokesman Ramsey Poston said. "Every legitimate journalist should be offended by this." Arab-Americans were stationed in the crowd at last week's NASCAR race in Martinsville, Va., and NBC is considering doing the same at Sunday's race in Fort Worth, Texas. -------------- I would think a more interesting show would cover the Xenophobia, not racism, of many Nascar fans and the Japanese involvement. (Toyota) I just don't hear of many Muslim Nascar fans. To be sure, there must be some, but they just don't have enough prescense in America to warrant an investigational TV show. Heck, they could probably go out and find many more Nascar fans that hate cats. Or Chevy's, or Coke vs Pepsi. dave henrie
>Please refrain from full-quoting Mitch Yes but the potential that any post on any topic might trigger him off makes life so much more interesting. It's like internet russian roulette (which is always more fun viewed then played) ;)
KeithB 06 Apr 2006 14:13 UTC↳ reply to Mitch#12119
Mitch wrote: > > From his response I'd guess Keith has contracted the "Al Gore-democrat06" > virus. No. I have no idea what Al Gore or the Democrats are doing. In Europe we only get the "Dubya and Condi" show. (I wonder why.) I just watch the demented logic which blames an entire world-wide faith group for an attack carried out by a Saudi-based terrorist group. And those terrorists, whilst claiming to be Muslims, cannot be associated with all other Muslims, as their actions, statements, and stated intentions are completely at odds with the teachings of the Koran (Qur'an). It's true that there are Muslims who protest at the behaviour of the United States (just as Europeans do), but that's because there is no legal or moral justification for the U.S. to invade their countries, threaten further military action in the area, and imprison Muslims without trial and under conditions of torture in the Guantanamo Bay concentration camp. There is also the fact that due to incompetence and a complete lack of forward planning, the US has now allowed a civil war to start in Iraq, so a large number of Iraqis are now worse off and in greater danger than they were under Saddam. I'm not the one who has caught a virus - it's the United States which has caught the virus of fascism/Nazism. And of course we have our own problems over here, with Benito Blair Mussolini sticking his tongue down the back of Adolf Dubya's trousers all the time, and our foreign secretary Jack Straw sleeping in Condi's bed on her plane. (We're told that she had the good sense to get out of it first though!) If NBC can be brave enough to expose what is going on amongst the general public in the United States (if there IS anything to expose), then good for them. Until recently, I thought it was just the American government which had become Nazi and fascist, but now maybe sections of the public are going that way too. If Texas NASCAR fans react with nothing but good manners to these "Muslim" characters, then NBC won't have a leg to stand on, and they'll be a laughing stock. Perhaps your warning post and obvious irritation is caused by the fact that you know that something unpleasant may happen, and you just don't want the rest of the world to hear about it. Thanks for letting us all know about NBC Dateline - I'll be keeping an eye open to hear what the results are.
Mitch 06 Apr 2006 19:44 UTC↳ reply to mcewena#12125
I don't "go off" to often but I do enjoy a lively conversation once in a while. After 10+ years of posts about "Which wheel should I buy" I occasionally enjoy a bit of fire. Keeps the place lively :) (not including Fredtickson/ReggieWhite/Rex/all same guy who took out his animosity on-track) The OP wasnt about flames fire at all but a heads up about a News agency the size and scope of NBC "creating" news instead of "reporting" news. That and this place is full of Nascar fans it seemed logical heads-up and as the info spreads. Dont blame me if the bullet lodged in KeithB's temple this round. Evertime I see your last name I think of that lame song a few years ago and my lisping little girl singing and dancing it.. Do the McEwena ;) Mitch "mcewena" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > > Yes but the potential that any post on any topic might trigger him off > makes life so much more interesting. It's like internet russian > roulette (which is always more fun viewed then played) ;) >
"Dave Henrie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...
Quoted text (9 lines)> Seems like the rest of the world is catching up to this story. > > > From the Auto Racing Daily: > http://www.autoracingdaily.com/ > > > > NASCAR yesterday strongly objected to a planned series of news reports
that > targets race fans as potential sources of harassment of Muslim-Americans. > > As part of a broad story about American attitudes toward Islam, NBC > newsmagazine "Dateline" is placing Muslim and Arab-American volunteers ina
Quoted text (25 lines)> variety of public places, including NASCAR races, and filming their > experiences in an attempt to record discrimination or harassment. > > "I think it's outrageous for a news organization of NBC's stature to go > around and create news as opposed to reporting the news," NASCAR spokesman > Ramsey Poston said. "Every legitimate journalist should be offended by > this." > > Arab-Americans were stationed in the crowd at last week's NASCAR race in > Martinsville, Va., and NBC is considering doing the same at Sunday's race > in Fort Worth, Texas. > > > > > -------------- > I would think a more interesting show would cover the Xenophobia, not > racism, of many Nascar fans and the Japanese involvement. (Toyota) > I just don't hear of many Muslim Nascar fans. To be sure, there must be > some, but they just don't have enough prescense in America to warrant an > investigational TV show. Heck, they could probably go out and find many > more Nascar fans that hate cats. Or Chevy's, or Coke vs Pepsi. > > > dave henrie
Nah, the media doesn't have agendas, that's just right-wing rhetoric.............. I particularly get a kick out of the phrase, "legitimate journalist"............oxymoron 101.
Mitch 06 Apr 2006 22:05 UTC↳ reply to KeithB#12127
Do you come hear after you've had a few too many pints/hits KeithB?? I wasn't going to reply but this post was less high pitched and my Giants starting pitcher just went down with injury so I will. I don't follow your arguments or ideas on fairness very well but what you say only galvanizes my argument. That you don't see "the other side" should speak volumes. A few true moderate Muslims exist Im sure but talk is cheap and actions/reactions are the only true reality. You didnt hear about the other hidden camera sting by the Checny reporters on the self proclaimed pro west Imam's did ya? (Of course not the World media ignored it). The one with the Imam's being "stung" by undercover reporters inside the Mosques with Imam's telling the (unknown) reporters how they "REALLY" feel towards the west. The Imam's are suing the media, LOL.. So lets see, NBC is more concerned with a few drunk rednecks at a Nascar race yelling racial slurs at planted Muslims yet can ignore leaders of large Muslim flocks expressing their desire to rid the world of infidels, which BTW they clearly defined in the Quran and its corresponding "The Sharia". Maybe you should research this issue a bit before you make your baseless conclusions about the Quran. Do you even comprehend the relationship between the Quran and The Sharia? The Imam's do, trust me. What I do know (thanks Mr. Henrie) is that the USA/Nascar NBC sting was already attempted at Mart last week and the American public proves once again that we accept anyone of any race or culture or religion. We/me have a problem when any race, religion or culture comes into America and then wants/tries to enforce their beliefs ONTO American society. You know, like France is experiencing lately, the muslim riots, you know, the ones before the students began rioting over lifetime guaranteed jobs last week ;) Mitch "KeithB" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:7m9Zf.10757$ic1.4575@newsfe5-
Quoted text (39 lines)> No. I have no idea what Al Gore or the Democrats are doing. In Europe we > only get the "Dubya and Condi" show. (I wonder why.) > > I just watch the demented logic which blames an entire world-wide faith > group for an attack carried out by a Saudi-based terrorist group. And > those terrorists, whilst claiming to be Muslims, cannot be associated with > all other Muslims, as their actions, statements, and stated intentions are > completely at odds with the teachings of the Koran (Qur'an). > > It's true that there are Muslims who protest at the behaviour of the > United States (just as Europeans do), but that's because there is no legal > or moral justification for the U.S. to invade their countries, threaten > further military action in the area, and imprison Muslims without trial > and under conditions of torture in the Guantanamo Bay concentration camp. > There is also the fact that due to incompetence and a complete lack of > forward planning, the US has now allowed a civil war to start in Iraq, so > a large number of Iraqis are now worse off and in greater danger than they > were under Saddam. > > I'm not the one who has caught a virus - it's the United States which has > caught the virus of fascism/Nazism. And of course we have our own problems > over here, with Benito Blair Mussolini sticking his tongue down the back > of Adolf Dubya's trousers all the time, and our foreign secretary Jack > Straw sleeping in Condi's bed on her plane. (We're told that she had the > good sense to get out of it first though!) > > If NBC can be brave enough to expose what is going on amongst the general > public in the United States (if there IS anything to expose), then good > for them. Until recently, I thought it was just the American government > which had become Nazi and fascist, but now maybe sections of the public > are going that way too. If Texas NASCAR fans react with nothing but good > manners to these "Muslim" characters, then NBC won't have a leg to stand > on, and they'll be a laughing stock. Perhaps your warning post and obvious > irritation is caused by the fact that you know that something unpleasant > may happen, and you just don't want the rest of the world to hear about > it. > > Thanks for letting us all know about NBC Dateline - I'll be keeping an eye > open to hear what the results are.
Mitch wrote:
Quoted text (7 lines)> (...) > From his response I'd guess Keith has contracted the "Al Gore-democrat06" > virus. The symptoms you ask? "When confronted with truth and reality all > brain functions cease as the mouth takes complete control over its host". > The mouth, now totally in control of the host can only phrase one simple > sentence, "it's ALL Bush's fault" ,"it's ALL Bush's fault", "it's ALL Bush's > fault", "it's ALL Bush's fault" over and over and over. :)
Reminds me of a similar disease: "It is all part of a vast conspiracy of the mainstream media, activist judges with an agenda etc.", a.k.a. chickenhawk flu. That virus has been reported in Europe too: a prominent Italian businessman and media owner has been affected and is now fighting for his (political) life. ;) Mr. S.
"KeithB" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:7m9Zf.10757$[email hidden]... > Mitch wrote: > > > > From his response I'd guess Keith has contracted the "AlGore-democrat06"
Quoted text (10 lines)> > virus. > > No. I have no idea what Al Gore or the Democrats are doing. In Europe we > only get the "Dubya and Condi" show. (I wonder why.) > > I just watch the demented logic which blames an entire world-wide faith > group for an attack carried out by a Saudi-based terrorist group. And > those terrorists, whilst claiming to be Muslims, cannot be associated > with all other Muslims, as their actions, statements, and stated > intentions are completely at odds with the teachings of the Koran
(Qur'an).
Quoted text (31 lines)> > It's true that there are Muslims who protest at the behaviour of the > United States (just as Europeans do), but that's because there is no > legal or moral justification for the U.S. to invade their countries, > threaten further military action in the area, and imprison Muslims > without trial and under conditions of torture in the Guantanamo Bay > concentration camp. There is also the fact that due to incompetence and > a complete lack of forward planning, the US has now allowed a civil war > to start in Iraq, so a large number of Iraqis are now worse off and in > greater danger than they were under Saddam. > > I'm not the one who has caught a virus - it's the United States which > has caught the virus of fascism/Nazism. And of course we have our own > problems over here, with Benito Blair Mussolini sticking his tongue down > the back of Adolf Dubya's trousers all the time, and our foreign > secretary Jack Straw sleeping in Condi's bed on her plane. (We're told > that she had the good sense to get out of it first though!) > > If NBC can be brave enough to expose what is going on amongst the > general public in the United States (if there IS anything to expose), > then good for them. Until recently, I thought it was just the American > government which had become Nazi and fascist, but now maybe sections of > the public are going that way too. If Texas NASCAR fans react with > nothing but good manners to these "Muslim" characters, then NBC won't > have a leg to stand on, and they'll be a laughing stock. Perhaps your > warning post and obvious irritation is caused by the fact that you know > that something unpleasant may happen, and you just don't want the rest > of the world to hear about it. > > Thanks for letting us all know about NBC Dateline - I'll be keeping an > eye open to hear what the results are.
"Fascism is always descending on the United States, but somehow it always seems to land on Europe."
do you do drugs? Mitch wrote:
Quoted text (28 lines)> I don't "go off" to often but I do enjoy a lively conversation once in a > while. After 10+ years of posts about "Which wheel should I buy" I > occasionally enjoy a bit of fire. Keeps the place lively :) (not including > Fredtickson/ReggieWhite/Rex/all same guy who took out his animosity > on-track) > > The OP wasnt about flames fire at all but a heads up about a News agency the > size and scope of NBC "creating" news instead of "reporting" news. That and > this place is full of Nascar fans it seemed logical heads-up and as the info > spreads. > > Dont blame me if the bullet lodged in KeithB's temple this round. > > Evertime I see your last name I think of that lame song a few years ago and > my lisping little girl singing and dancing it.. Do the McEwena ;) > > Mitch > > "mcewena" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... >> Yes but the potential that any post on any topic might trigger him off >> makes life so much more interesting. It's like internet russian >> roulette (which is always more fun viewed then played) ;) >> > >
I see members of the Klan still look out for each other. Mitch wrote:
Quoted text (19 lines)> Anyone going to the Texas race this weekend should know Dateline NBC is > doing a show on racism towards Muslims since 9/11 and is using a Nascar > event to try and make it's *predetrmined point (propaganda). > > If you see a pair of Turbin wearing bearded muslim gentlemen in the stands > beware they may be filming undercover for dateline NBC which is looking to > cast more nonsesical generalizations and stereotypes about Nascar fans to > the world all the while ignoring the reality that a large percentage of > Muslims throughout the world want nothing but death and destruction for the > US and it's allies along with any non-believers. > > Im sure glad the mainstream American media has it's priorities straight. > > > Mitch > > > >

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