F12002 Demo

Excellent so far. Better everything. Sound, graphics (like the grid girls :-) ), menu, setup system, and controller setup worked fine with my Ferrari FF wheel. None of the old bugs are there. Wet weather is fantastic. Even the mirrors get drops on them, obscuring your view a bit. Anyone else have lag when turning your wheel. There's a very noticeable delay with my wheel. What are the digital controller rates? Like they say in the read me, it's a "work in progress demo" so I hope everyone will realx and not go overboard with criticism as if it's the finished game. David G Fisher

> Excellent so far. Better everything. Sound, graphics (like the grid girls > :-) ), menu, setup system, and controller setup worked fine with myFerrari > FF wheel. None of the old bugs are there. > > Wet weather is fantastic. Even the mirrors get drops on them, obscuringyour

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> view a bit. > > Anyone else have lag when turning your wheel. There's a very noticeable > delay with my wheel. > > What are the digital controller rates? > > Like they say in the read me, it's a "work in progress demo" so I hope > everyone will realx and not go overboard with criticism as if it's the > finished game. > > David G Fisher

It's no GPL.

"Rob Adams" wrote... > > <snip> > It's no GPL. <snort... pah, pah, pah> Darn-it, wasn't expecting that. Wet keyboard at 1.25am. lol Jan. =---

Crap. I didn't notice before, but the damn slit axis bug (short travel) is still there. Didn't notice it the first time around because I had TC on. David G Fisher "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:sGhC8.107731$[email hidden]... > Excellent so far. Better everything. Sound, graphics (like the grid girls > :-) ), menu, setup system, and controller setup worked fine with myFerrari > FF wheel. None of the old bugs are there. > > Wet weather is fantastic. Even the mirrors get drops on them, obscuringyour

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> view a bit. > > Anyone else have lag when turning your wheel. There's a very noticeable > delay with my wheel. > > What are the digital controller rates? > > Like they say in the read me, it's a "work in progress demo" so I hope > everyone will realx and not go overboard with criticism as if it's the > finished game. > > David G Fisher > > > > >

I sure as hell don't hope so! GPL *was* the benchmark - 2 years ago! It's time to wake up and smell the coffee guys. "Rob Adams" wrote: > It's no GPL. -- ed_

No, its way more advanced then GPL!. Thank god for that one!. "Rob Adams" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:n3iC8.1008$[email hidden]... > > Excellent so far. Better everything. Sound, graphics (like the gridgirls

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> > :-) ), menu, setup system, and controller setup worked fine with my > Ferrari > > FF wheel. None of the old bugs are there. > > > > Wet weather is fantastic. Even the mirrors get drops on them, obscuring > your > > view a bit. > > > > Anyone else have lag when turning your wheel. There's a very noticeable > > delay with my wheel. > > > > What are the digital controller rates? > > > > Like they say in the read me, it's a "work in progress demo" so I hope > > everyone will realx and not go overboard with criticism as if it's the > > finished game. > > > > David G Fisher > > It's no GPL. > >

"Rob Adams" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:n3iC8.1008$[email hidden]... > > It's no GPL. > > LOL! They're gonna have to pry that CD from your cold dead hands one day, eh Rob? Dale.

"David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:IxiC8.114738$[email hidden]... > Crap. I didn't notice before, but the damn slit axis bug (shorttravel) is > still there. Didn't notice it the first time around because I had TCon. Also the "feature" where you have to set the FF to negative for some controllers is still there. On the split axis thing I finally did give up and do the DXTweak trick for F1 2001, and it still works for F1 2002. It works, it does not affect any other controllers, it fixes ALL ISI games all the way back to SCGT, and it does not affect Papyrus games. So the only time I need to change it back to normal is for NASCAR Heat or NFS:PU, both of which I hardly ever play. I still think ISI needs to fix this, but at least I know how to work around it. > David G Fisher > > "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:sGhC8.107731$[email hidden]... > > Excellent so far. Better everything. Sound, graphics (like the gridgirls > > :-) ), menu, setup system, and controller setup worked fine with my > Ferrari > > FF wheel. None of the old bugs are there. Also the physics feel a whole lot better, especially in wet weather, and I haven't even tried the high rate switch yet. Overall I am highly encouraged. > > Wet weather is fantastic. Even the mirrors get drops on them,obscuring > your > > view a bit. > > > > Anyone else have lag when turning your wheel. There's a verynoticeable > > delay with my wheel. No lag here. > > What are the digital controller rates? The digital controller rates are for gamepad and keyboard users. > > Like they say in the read me, it's a "work in progress demo" so Ihope > > everyone will realx and not go overboard with criticism as if it'sthe > > finished game. How about if I go overboard with enthusiasm, would that be okay? ;o)

GPL still IS the benchmark for F1 sims in terms of multiplayer, replay capability, and just general user friendliness. Poor multiplayer in a new racing game is a joke IMHO. GPL is getting close to being 4 years old and has multiplayer far better than F12001. I'm pretty much tired of the hearing the FIA won't let 'em do it stuff. By the way, I can host 4 broadband clients on my cable modem using the LAN bandwidth core.ini settings in GPL and fill the rest of the field with AI cars. All players can see ALL of the cars ALL of the time. Try that in F12001. I'll bet money you won't be able to do that in F12002 either. I've heard of Gamespy support so maybe there is a glimmer of hope. If they can match GPL in the multiplayer area and clean up the rest of the user interface, then GPL will finally start to gather dust. -Marty "Ed Solheim" <edwins[ REMOVE ]@[ THIS ].no> wrote in message news:HziC8.12498$[email hidden]...

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> I sure as hell don't hope so! > GPL *was* the benchmark - 2 years ago! > > It's time to wake up and smell the coffee guys. > > "Rob Adams" wrote: > > > It's no GPL. > > > -- > ed_ > >

Got the following errors when trying to run the demo (same errors when trying to run the 3dsetup app): "File F1_2002_DEMO.EXE is linked to an export KERNEL32.DLL:IsProcessorFeaturePresent which doesn't exist" and "One of the system linked devices doesn't work" -- __________ ____---____ Marco Antonio Checa Funcke \_________D /-/---_----' Santiago de Surco, Lima, Peru _H__/_/ http://machf.tripod.com '-_____|( remove the "no_me_j." and "sons.of." parts before replying

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>Got the following errors when trying to run the demo (same errors when trying >to run the 3dsetup app): > >"File F1_2002_DEMO.EXE is linked to an export >KERNEL32.DLL:IsProcessorFeaturePresent which doesn't exist" > >and > >"One of the system linked devices doesn't work"

Bah - just checked the "Readme" file: it requires Win98 or later AND DirectX 8.1 Too bad. Keep working on F12k1 mods, guys! ;-) -- __________ ____---____ Marco Antonio Checa Funcke \_________D /-/---_----' Santiago de Surco, Lima, Peru _H__/_/ http://machf.tripod.com '-_____|( remove the "no_me_j." and "sons.of." parts before replying

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> GPL still IS the benchmark for F1 sims in terms of multiplayer, replay > capability, and just general user friendliness. Poor multiplayer in a new > racing game is a joke IMHO. GPL is getting close to being 4 years old and > has multiplayer far better than F12001. I'm pretty much tired of the > hearing the FIA won't let 'em do it stuff. > > By the way, I can host 4 broadband clients on my cable modem using the LAN > bandwidth core.ini settings in GPL and fill the rest of the field with AI > cars. All players can see ALL of the cars ALL of the time. Try that in > F12001. I'll bet money you won't be able to do that in F12002 either.

I've > heard of Gamespy support so maybe there is a glimmer of hope. If they can > match GPL in the multiplayer area and clean up the rest of the user > interface, then GPL will finally start to gather dust. > There may be hope. Among the gamespy-things in the F1 2002-files, there are lines like max multiplayer = 16, and modem < 56k allowed internet. etc.

> Bah - just checked the "Readme" file: it requires Win98 or later ANDDirectX 8.1 > Too bad. So what are you running - Win95???

"Haqsau" wrote... > > <snip> > Also the "feature" where you have to set the FF to negative for > some controllers is still there. How would one set the FF to negative? -My controller is affected... it pulls into the turn instead of pushing against the steering motion and it fights against straigtening the wheel instead of being self-aligning. Quite confusing. I don't know any of the F1 2001 tricks as I wasn't able to play it due to hardware limitations. Jan. =---

In the FF-setup you have Force strength.. this goes to +100% or to -100% On my Logitech i need to set it at -100% (inverted forces) to make it right. "Jan Verschueren" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > "Haqsau" wrote... > > > <snip> > > Also the "feature" where you have to set the FF to negative for > > some controllers is still there. > > How would one set the FF to negative? -My controller is affected... itpulls

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> into the turn instead of pushing against the steering motion and it fights > against straigtening the wheel instead of being self-aligning. Quite > confusing. > > I don't know any of the F1 2001 tricks as I wasn't able to play it due to > hardware limitations. > > Jan. > =--- > > > >

Any more mirrors? I can't seem to get it.....grrr

"Andreas Nystrom" wrote... > In the FF-setup you have Force strength.. this goes to +100% > or to -100%. On my Logitech i need to set it at -100% (inverted > forces) to make it right. Doh! -Thanks! Jan. =---

Download it and install: http://www.microsoft.com/windows/directx/downloads/drx81.asp -- Chris H. "machf" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > On Thu, 09 May 2002 01:51:05 -0500, machf <[email hidden]> wrote: > > >Got the following errors when trying to run the demo (same errors when trying > >to run the 3dsetup app): > > > >"File F1_2002_DEMO.EXE is linked to an export > >KERNEL32.DLL:IsProcessorFeaturePresent which doesn't exist" > > > >and > > > >"One of the system linked devices doesn't work" > > Bah - just checked the "Readme" file: it requires Win98 or later AND DirectX 8.1 > Too bad. > Keep working on F12k1 mods, guys! > ;-) > > -- > __________ ____---____ Marco Antonio Checa Funcke > \_________D /-/---_----' Santiago de Surco, Lima, Peru > _H__/_/ http://machf.tripod.com > '-_____|( > > remove the "no_me_j." and "sons.of." parts before replying >

Dave, is the demo multiplayer capable ? -John "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:sGhC8.107731$[email hidden]... > Excellent so far. Better everything. Sound, graphics (like the grid girls > :-) ), menu, setup system, and controller setup worked fine with myFerrari > FF wheel. None of the old bugs are there. > > Wet weather is fantastic. Even the mirrors get drops on them, obscuringyour

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> view a bit. > > Anyone else have lag when turning your wheel. There's a very noticeable > delay with my wheel. > > What are the digital controller rates? > > Like they say in the read me, it's a "work in progress demo" so I hope > everyone will realx and not go overboard with criticism as if it's the > finished game. > > David G Fisher > > > >

Heard of Nascar Racing 2002? Now *that's* a benchmark! Sure GPL got good multiplayer features, but the physics, sound and grapichs (original that is) is miles behind. And dont get me wrong - I completely agree with you that F12002/2001 is a disappointment compared to GPL... as I've said many times before; GPL gave us 20 cars online racing over 3 years ago, and any developer who fail to atleast mach that today - isn't even trying Imho. -- ed_ "Martin Fay" <[email hidden]> skrev i melding news:QjmC8.33779$[email hidden]... > GPL still IS the benchmark for F1 sims in terms of multiplayer, replay > capability, and just general user friendliness. Poor multiplayer in a new > racing game is a joke IMHO. GPL is getting close to being 4 years old and > has multiplayer far better than F12001. I'm pretty much tired of the > hearing the FIA won't let 'em do it stuff. > > By the way, I can host 4 broadband clients on my cable modem using the LAN > bandwidth core.ini settings in GPL and fill the rest of the field with AI > cars. All players can see ALL of the cars ALL of the time. Try that in > F12001. I'll bet money you won't be able to do that in F12002 either. I've > heard of Gamespy support so maybe there is a glimmer of hope. If they can > match GPL in the multiplayer area and clean up the rest of the user > interface, then GPL will finally start to gather dust. > > -Marty > > "Ed Solheim" <edwins[ REMOVE ]@[ THIS ].no> wrote in message > news:HziC8.12498$[email hidden]... > > I sure as hell don't hope so! > > GPL *was* the benchmark - 2 years ago! > > > > It's time to wake up and smell the coffee guys. > > > > "Rob Adams" wrote: > > > > > It's no GPL. > > > > > > -- > > ed_ > > > > > >

Hit 'F1' or '1' while in car/cockpit -- ed_ "Damien Smith" said > Any more mirrors? I can't seem to get it.....grrr > >

"Ed Solheim" wrote... > Hit 'F1' or '1' while in car/cockpit I think he meant download mirrors Ed... Jan. =---

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> "Rob Adams" wrote... > > > <snip> > > It's no GPL. > > > <snort... pah, pah, pah> Darn-it, wasn't expecting that. Wet keyboard at > 1.25am. lol > > Jan.

I'm just surprised that I was first :)

I debated whether or not to put a smiley in, but decided against it, assuming most of y'all would realize I was being facetious... "Ed Solheim" <edwins[ REMOVE ]@[ THIS ].no> wrote in message news:HziC8.12498$[email hidden]...

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> I sure as hell don't hope so! > GPL *was* the benchmark - 2 years ago! > > It's time to wake up and smell the coffee guys. > > "Rob Adams" wrote: > > > It's no GPL. > > > -- > ed_ > >

Rob Adams wrote: > > I debated whether or not to put a smiley in, but decided against it, > assuming most of y'all would realize I was being facetious... Subtle doesn't work in here Rob, you need to hammer the point home... Beers and cheers (uncle) Goy "The Pits" http://www.theuspits.com/ "A man is only as old as the woman he feels" --Groucho Marx--

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> "Ed Solheim" wrote... > > Hit 'F1' or '1' while in car/cockpit > > I think he meant download mirrors Ed... > > Jan. > =---

hopefully ed knew that and was making a haha. i hope i hope! rob

Actually, I didnt! So the joke's on me... ;-) -- ed_ "reverend rob" said: > hopefully ed knew that and was making a haha. i hope i hope!

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>On Thu, 09 May 2002 01:51:05 -0500, machf <[email hidden]> wrote: > >>Got the following errors when trying to run the demo (same errors when >trying >>to run the 3dsetup app): >> >>"File F1_2002_DEMO.EXE is linked to an export >>KERNEL32.DLL:IsProcessorFeaturePresent which doesn't exist" >> >>and >> >>"One of the system linked devices doesn't work" > >Bah - just checked the "Readme" file: it requires Win98 or later AND DirectX >8.1 >Too bad. >Keep working on F12k1 mods, guys!

So what OS are you running? Eldred -- Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett A friend of mine is involved in a fund-raiser walk-a-thon for research to cure breast cancer. If you can, please go to my homepage and see how to make a donation. Thank you. Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

> Heard of Nascar Racing 2002?Yes I have. Great game! As I said...from the first line of my post, "GPL still IS the benchmark for F1 sims.." Ed I wasn't going off on you. I'm just frustrated that F12001 was sooooooo close to replacing GPL for me because the driving experience is so good. If they can get good multiplayer (AI in multiplayer too darnit!) and a nice usable replay (that doesn't crash and has the correct aspect ratio) then GPL will start to gather dust. -Marty "Ed Solheim" <edwins[ REMOVE ]@[ THIS ].no> wrote in message news:GjvC8.12610$[email hidden]... > Heard of Nascar Racing 2002? > Now *that's* a benchmark! > > Sure GPL got good multiplayer features, but the physics, sound andgrapichs > (original that is) is miles behind. And dont get me wrong - Icompletely > agree with you that F12002/2001 is a disappointment compared to GPL... as > I've said many times before; GPL gave us 20 cars online racing over 3years

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> ago, and any developer who fail to atleast mach that today - isn't even > trying Imho. > > -- > ed_ > > > "Martin Fay" <[email hidden]> skrev i melding > news:QjmC8.33779$[email hidden]... > > GPL still IS the benchmark for F1 sims in terms of multiplayer, replay > > capability, and just general user friendliness. Poor multiplayer in a

new > > racing game is a joke IMHO. GPL is getting close to being 4 years oldand > > has multiplayer far better than F12001. I'm pretty much tired of the > > hearing the FIA won't let 'em do it stuff. > > > > By the way, I can host 4 broadband clients on my cable modem using theLAN > > bandwidth core.ini settings in GPL and fill the rest of the field withAI > > cars. All players can see ALL of the cars ALL of the time. Try that in > > F12001. I'll bet money you won't be able to do that in F12002 either. > I've > > heard of Gamespy support so maybe there is a glimmer of hope. If theycan

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> > match GPL in the multiplayer area and clean up the rest of the user > > interface, then GPL will finally start to gather dust. > > > > -Marty > > > > "Ed Solheim" <edwins[ REMOVE ]@[ THIS ].no> wrote in message > > news:HziC8.12498$[email hidden]... > > > I sure as hell don't hope so! > > > GPL *was* the benchmark - 2 years ago! > > > > > > It's time to wake up and smell the coffee guys. > > > > > > "Rob Adams" wrote: > > > > > > > It's no GPL. > > > > > > > > > -- > > > ed_ > > > > > > > > > > > >

No, no multiplayer. The only thing I've heard about the multi is that there is a line in one of the files now that says Max multiplayer=16. David G Fisher "John Pancoast" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> Dave, is the demo multiplayer capable ? > > -John > > > "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:sGhC8.107731$[email hidden]... > > Excellent so far. Better everything. Sound, graphics (like the grid

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> > :-) ), menu, setup system, and controller setup worked fine with my > Ferrari > > FF wheel. None of the old bugs are there. > > > > Wet weather is fantastic. Even the mirrors get drops on them, obscuring > your > > view a bit. > > > > Anyone else have lag when turning your wheel. There's a very noticeable > > delay with my wheel. > > > > What are the digital controller rates? > > > > Like they say in the read me, it's a "work in progress demo" so I hope > > everyone will realx and not go overboard with criticism as if it's the > > finished game. > > > > David G Fisher > > > > > > > > > > >

Has anyone gotten a TSW to work in split axis mode yet? I still can't get it to recognize split axis on my TSW2Mod. I hope this is fixed in the final release. -- Richard "ZZ" Busch Member: Screamers Racing League GPL Rank + 21.54 MoGPL Rank + 365.57 http://www.ZZBusch.com ---------------- Busch Motorsports: Remember racecar is racecar spelled backward ----------------- Busch Carpentry: A good carpenter can nail anything -----------------

Has anyone gotten a TSW to work in split axis mode yet? I still can't get it to recognize split axis on my TSW2Mod. I hope this is fixed in the final release. -- Richard "ZZ" Busch Member: Screamers Racing League GPL Rank + 21.54 MoGPL Rank + 365.57 http://www.ZZBusch.com ---------------- Busch Motorsports: Remember racecar is racecar spelled backward ----------------- Busch Carpentry: A good carpenter can nail anything -----------------

On Wed, 08 May 2002 22:30:48 GMT, "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote: >Like they say in the read me, it's a "work in progress demo" so I hope >everyone will realx and not go overboard with criticism as if it's the >finished game. > >David G Fisher I only had time for a couple of laps, but first impressions were VERY good. Just a couple of quick laps, and the driving simply -felt- amazingly good. Can't wait to try the retail version. Oh, and PITBABES!!!! Andre

Jan, you are a perfect illustration of why they need to fix this - even experienced gamers are not aware of this "feature", and because of this they end up with it set incorrectly and therefore walk away thinking the FF is crap. I'm glad Andreas was able to help you, but imagine somebody who doesn't use the internet regularly - they would be screwed. "Jan Verschueren" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> "Andreas Nystrom" wrote... > > In the FF-setup you have Force strength.. this goes to +100% > > or to -100%. On my Logitech i need to set it at -100% (inverted > > forces) to make it right. > > Doh! -Thanks! > > Jan. > =--- > >

Ok, thanks. -John "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:DcAC8.123644$[email hidden]... > No, no multiplayer. The only thing I've heard about the multi is thatthere

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> is a line in one of the files now that says Max multiplayer=16. > > David G Fisher > > "John Pancoast" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > Dave, is the demo multiplayer capable ? > > > > -John > > > > > > "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:sGhC8.107731$[email hidden]... > > > Excellent so far. Better everything. Sound, graphics (like the grid > girls > > > :-) ), menu, setup system, and controller setup worked fine with my > > Ferrari > > > FF wheel. None of the old bugs are there. > > > > > > Wet weather is fantastic. Even the mirrors get drops on them,

obscuring > > your > > > view a bit. > > > > > > Anyone else have lag when turning your wheel. There's a verynoticeable

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> > > delay with my wheel. > > > > > > What are the digital controller rates? > > > > > > Like they say in the read me, it's a "work in progress demo" so I hope > > > everyone will realx and not go overboard with criticism as if it's the > > > finished game. > > > > > > David G Fisher > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

"Rob Adams" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:20xC8.4487$[email hidden]... > I debated whether or not to put a smiley in, but decided against it, > assuming most of y'all would realize I was being facetious... Dangit! You'd think with modern science there'd be a cure for that....sorry to here about your illness.....err just WHAT is faci-itis?? dave henrie

On Thu, 9 May 2002 18:24:10 +1000, "Damien Smith" <[email hidden]> wrote: >> Bah - just checked the "Readme" file: it requires Win98 or later AND >DirectX 8.1 >> Too bad. > >So what are you running - Win95??? >Well, only recently did I finally give in and upgraded from Win95A to Win95B (2.1)... There are a few things I don't like from Win98. Win95 somehow feels "closer to the command line" to me. (and obviuously, I like that feeling) Who knows... I went from 95A to 95B because of the AGP acceleration and partly because of USB support. Maybe in the end I'll go to Win98 (SE, of course) partly because of full USB support, but that by itself isn't enough... Hmmm... it has some good networking features too. I know what to do, in a few days (or probably, by the end of the month), once I build another PC with all the parts I've discarded after upgrading my PC (processor, RAM, video card, sound card, hard disk -though I have that one as secondary right now-) plus a spare network card and a MoBo I just bought for $1.25 +shipping, I'll test Win98SE on that machine... -- __________ ____---____ Marco Antonio Checa Funcke \_________D /-/---_----' Santiago de Surco, Lima, Peru _H__/_/ http://machf.tripod.com '-_____|( remove the "no_me_j." and "sons.of." parts before replying

On 09 May 2002 17:03:58 GMT, [email hidden] (EldredP) wrote: > >So what OS are you running? >Win95B. Read my other post answering the same question... -- __________ ____---____ Marco Antonio Checa Funcke \_________D /-/---_----' Santiago de Surco, Lima, Peru _H__/_/ http://machf.tripod.com '-_____|( remove the "no_me_j." and "sons.of." parts before replying

> So the joke's on me... ;-) LOL - don't worry, I found a fast link in the High Gear Forums.

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> Jan, you are a perfect illustration of why they need to > fix this - even experienced gamers are not aware of this > "feature", and because of this they end up with it set > incorrectly and therefore walk away thinking the FF is > crap. I'm glad Andreas was able to help you, but imagine > somebody who doesn't use the internet regularly - they > would be screwed.

Indeed there is no logic to this arrangement... for a strenght setting one expects a 0-100% scale. Such a slider combined with an "invert FF" checkbox would be much better as a stopgap. Jan. =---

An invert FF checkbox might help, but I don't think it is necessary for the player to even know about it. I believe all the code has to do is look at the sign of the axis used for left and right steering, and then it will know what sign to use for the force feedback. Even if the player jumps right to the FF screen and only later goes to set up the controller it wouldn't matter, because the sign check can be made after the physics engine is running. "Jan Verschueren" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > > Indeed there is no logic to this arrangement... for a strenght settingone > expects a 0-100% scale. Such a slider combined with an "invert FF"checkbox > would be much better as a stopgap. > > Jan. > =--- > >

>"Ed Solheim" <edwins[ REMOVE ]@[ THIS ].no> wrote > I sure as hell don't hope so! > GPL *was* the benchmark - 2 years ago! It's still in this community. -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- http://www.ymenard.8m.com/ -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimato Dominguez Corporation - helping America into the New World...

I've just been playing the demo for the last 2 hours and I'm very impressed. First it runs very well and looks very good indeed and the handling seems very good indeed, very controllable and slides in a nice progressive fashion. However the thing that impressed me the most was the AI. Not once in about 10 races did I get punted off by stupid AI and that's a first for a racing game. The AI did it's very best to avoid incidents but at the same time was agressive enough to fight back, oh what fun I've been having! I've got really quite excited about this game and I just can't wait for the retail version to come out Some Call Me Tim

An input configuration that works would be nice too (it's sad that ISI's controller config is nowhere near the one Papyrus was using almost 10 years ago). And physics that are semi-believable when you deviate from the ideal racing line. I won't even get started on single car collisions and car-to-car collisions. Jason "Martin Fay" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<gZzC8.38996$[email hidden]>...

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> > Heard of Nascar Racing 2002? > Yes I have. Great game! As I said...from the first line of my post, "GPL > still IS the benchmark for F1 sims.." Ed I wasn't going off on you. I'm > just frustrated that F12001 was sooooooo close to replacing GPL for me > because the driving experience is so good. If they can get good multiplayer > (AI in multiplayer too darnit!) and a nice usable replay (that doesn't crash > and has the correct aspect ratio) then GPL will start to gather dust. > > -Marty > > "Ed Solheim" <edwins[ REMOVE ]@[ THIS ].no> wrote in message > news:GjvC8.12610$[email hidden]... > > Heard of Nascar Racing 2002? > > Now *that's* a benchmark! > > > > Sure GPL got good multiplayer features, but the physics, sound and > grapichs > > (original that is) is miles behind. And dont get me wrong - I > completely > > agree with you that F12002/2001 is a disappointment compared to GPL... as > > I've said many times before; GPL gave us 20 cars online racing over 3 > years > > ago, and any developer who fail to atleast mach that today - isn't even > > trying Imho. > > > > -- > > ed_ > > > > > > "Martin Fay" <[email hidden]> skrev i melding > > news:QjmC8.33779$[email hidden]... > > > GPL still IS the benchmark for F1 sims in terms of multiplayer, replay > > > capability, and just general user friendliness. Poor multiplayer in a > new > > > racing game is a joke IMHO. GPL is getting close to being 4 years old > and > > > has multiplayer far better than F12001. I'm pretty much tired of the > > > hearing the FIA won't let 'em do it stuff. > > > > > > By the way, I can host 4 broadband clients on my cable modem using the > LAN > > > bandwidth core.ini settings in GPL and fill the rest of the field with > AI > > > cars. All players can see ALL of the cars ALL of the time. Try that in > > > F12001. I'll bet money you won't be able to do that in F12002 either. > I've > > > heard of Gamespy support so maybe there is a glimmer of hope. If they > can > > > match GPL in the multiplayer area and clean up the rest of the user > > > interface, then GPL will finally start to gather dust. > > > > > > -Marty > > > > > > "Ed Solheim" <edwins[ REMOVE ]@[ THIS ].no> wrote in message > > > news:HziC8.12498$[email hidden]... > > > > I sure as hell don't hope so! > > > > GPL *was* the benchmark - 2 years ago! > > > > > > > > It's time to wake up and smell the coffee guys. > > > > > > > > "Rob Adams" wrote: > > > > > > > > > It's no GPL. > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > ed_ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

Kickass. Saved me the time of downloading the demo (which would've saved me the $$$ on the game and further time on getting it to accept input from my wheel/pedals in a way that reflects a real car). Jason "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<IxiC8.114738$[email hidden]>...

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> Crap. I didn't notice before, but the damn slit axis bug (short travel) is > still there. Didn't notice it the first time around because I had TC on. > > David G Fisher > > "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:sGhC8.107731$[email hidden]... > > Excellent so far. Better everything. Sound, graphics (like the grid girls > > :-) ), menu, setup system, and controller setup worked fine with my > Ferrari > > FF wheel. None of the old bugs are there. > > > > Wet weather is fantastic. Even the mirrors get drops on them, obscuring > your > > view a bit. > > > > Anyone else have lag when turning your wheel. There's a very noticeable > > delay with my wheel. > > > > What are the digital controller rates? > > > > Like they say in the read me, it's a "work in progress demo" so I hope > > everyone will realx and not go overboard with criticism as if it's the > > finished game. > > > > David G Fisher > > > > > > > > > >

jason moyer wrote: > > Kickass. Saved me the time of downloading the demo (which would've > saved me the $$$ on the game and further time on getting it to accept > input from my wheel/pedals in a way that reflects a real car). I was amazed to find that I could configure my Momo wheel and Redline pedals in seconds few with this demo. I'm not seeing any split axis bug either. Jason, why don't you try the demo first, instead of just talking out of your arse about it? ATM, you're just knocking ISI on the basis of what they have done before rather than their current work. What kind of a dumb fuck does that?! Well, you apparently!

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> I was amazed to find that I could configure my Momo wheel and Redline > pedals in seconds few with this demo. I'm not seeing any split axis bug > either. > > Jason, why don't you try the demo first, instead of just talking out of > your arse about it? ATM, you're just knocking ISI on the basis of what > they have done before rather than their current work. What kind of a > dumb fuck does that?! > > Well, you apparently!

i agree with this post

I have a LWFF and use split axis. No bug here. Vintook "jason moyer" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> Kickass. Saved me the time of downloading the demo (which would've > saved me the $$$ on the game and further time on getting it to accept > input from my wheel/pedals in a way that reflects a real car). > > Jason > > "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

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> > still there. Didn't notice it the first time around because I had TC on. > > > > David G Fisher > > > > "David G Fisher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:sGhC8.107731$[email hidden]... > > > Excellent so far. Better everything. Sound, graphics (like the grid

girls > > > :-) ), menu, setup system, and controller setup worked fine with my > > Ferrari > > > FF wheel. None of the old bugs are there. > > > > > > Wet weather is fantastic. Even the mirrors get drops on them,obscuring > > your > > > view a bit. > > > > > > Anyone else have lag when turning your wheel. There's a verynoticeable

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> > > delay with my wheel. > > > > > > What are the digital controller rates? > > > > > > Like they say in the read me, it's a "work in progress demo" so I hope > > > everyone will realx and not go overboard with criticism as if it's the > > > finished game. > > > > > > David G Fisher > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

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>jason moyer wrote: >> >> Kickass. Saved me the time of downloading the demo (which would've >> saved me the $$$ on the game and further time on getting it to accept >> input from my wheel/pedals in a way that reflects a real car). > >I was amazed to find that I could configure my Momo wheel and Redline >pedals in seconds few with this demo. I'm not seeing any split axis bug >either. > >Jason, why don't you try the demo first, instead of just talking out of >your arse about it? ATM, you're just knocking ISI on the basis of what >they have done before rather than their current work. What kind of a >dumb fuck does that?! > >Well, you apparently!

He was responding to David's experience(who DOES have the download). It was based on an *existing* problem, not past work. Granted, with different hardware than David he might be able to get it to work right, and the download doesn't take long on cable modem. But, I think your response was a bit harsh... Eldred -- Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett A friend of mine is involved in a fund-raiser walk-a-thon for research to cure breast cancer. If you can, please go to my homepage and see how to make a donation. Thank you. Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

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> > In article <[email hidden]>, Gerry Aitken > <[email hidden]> writes: > > >jason moyer wrote: > >> > >> Kickass. Saved me the time of downloading the demo (which would've > >> saved me the $$$ on the game and further time on getting it to accept > >> input from my wheel/pedals in a way that reflects a real car). > > > >I was amazed to find that I could configure my Momo wheel and Redline > >pedals in seconds few with this demo. I'm not seeing any split axis bug > >either. > > > >Jason, why don't you try the demo first, instead of just talking out of > >your arse about it? ATM, you're just knocking ISI on the basis of what > >they have done before rather than their current work. What kind of a > >dumb fuck does that?! > > > >Well, you apparently! > > He was responding to David's experience(who DOES have the download). It was > based on an *existing* problem, not past work. Granted, with different > hardware than David he might be able to get it to work right, and the download > doesn't take long on cable modem. But, I think your response was a bit > harsh... >

Eldred If you read the other rubbish this gent has coughed up in other threads on this subject, I think you'll see what I'm getting at. Let me draw your attention to this priceless piece of 'wisdom' from the above text, "(which would've saved me the $$$ on the game and further time on getting it to accept input from my wheel/pedals in a way that reflects a real car)" He's saying that about a sim not even released yet! Gerry

> I have a LWFF and use split axis. No bug here. I think you'll find that you're probably only getting half pedal travel though. You need to use double values in DXtweak to use all available travel on these pedals.

"Damien Smith" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:abm12u$ijn22$[email hidden]... > > I have a LWFF and use split axis. No bug here. > > I think you'll find that you're probably only getting half pedal travel > though. You need to use double values in DXtweak to use all available > travel on these pedals. Not if you change the axis for the pedals. Go to the controller setup select the desired control and press the pedal to set it. Bart Westra

Right. People have been calling it the "split axis bug" and what that means is that split axis works, but the throttle doesn't respond until you press the gas pedal approximately 50%. In combined axis, the throttle responds immediately. They may have it fixed by the time the gsae is released, but it will be f**ken ridiculous if they don't. David G Fisher "Damien Smith" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:abm12u$ijn22$[email hidden]...

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> > I have a LWFF and use split axis. No bug here. > > I think you'll find that you're probably only getting half pedal travel > though. You need to use double values in DXtweak to use all available > travel on these pedals. > > >

On Sun, 12 May 2002 19:51:26 +1200, jason moyer wrote:

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> An input configuration that works would be nice too (it's sad that ISI's > controller config is nowhere near the one Papyrus was using almost 10 > years ago). And physics that are semi-believable when you deviate from > the ideal racing line. I won't even get started on single car > collisions and car-to-car collisions. > >

It's a lot better than the last one. You can now see your axes which is a huge improvement for debugging purposes. I use a momo, split axis 98se and have had no problems as long as you set the force feedback to negative which you have to do on a momo for some reason that still escapes me. After fiddling with the GUI I did take my tweaked .plr settings from f12k1 over though. I like no throttle vibration but I REALLY like having the brake vibration on the wheel. Gotta love a game which is configurable through text files. And I have to say this game is incredibly good to drive. From the default setups for Australia it looks like they have addressed the high speed vs low speed grip problem too. I can not wait for the real version. --- Bill

On Thu, 09 May 2002 10:30:48 +1200, David G Fisher wrote: > ... znip ... > > Wet weather is fantastic. Even the mirrors get drops on them, obscuring > your view a bit. And what about the wheel tracks the cars in front leave behind. COOL! > Anyone else have lag when turning your wheel. There's a very noticeable > delay with my wheel. Nope - no lag at all. In fact the at center performance on f12k2 WIP demo is better than f12k1. Extremely smooth and no lag. w98se, momo with split axis pedals. --- Bill

The nice thing with the new demo is the little axis display on the left so you can actually see if this 50% throttle bug exists. (I have never seen this behaviour but of course I don't use the same OS/wheels as the people who have seen this bug). On Mon, 13 May 2002 07:03:45 +1200, David G Fisher wrote:

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> Right. People have been calling it the "split axis bug" and what that > means is that split axis works, but the throttle doesn't respond until > you press the gas pedal approximately 50%. In combined axis, the > throttle responds immediately. They may have it fixed by the time the > gsae is released, but it will be f**ken ridiculous if they don't. > > David G Fisher > > "Damien Smith" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:abm12u$ijn22$[email hidden]... >> > I have a LWFF and use split axis. No bug here. >> >> I think you'll find that you're probably only getting half pedal travel >> though. You need to use double values in DXtweak to use all available >> travel on these pedals. >> >> >> >>

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> On Thu, 09 May 2002 10:30:48 +1200, David G Fisher wrote: > >> ... znip ... >> >> Wet weather is fantastic. Even the mirrors get drops on them, obscuring >> your view a bit. > > And what about the wheel tracks the cars in front leave behind. COOL! > > >> Anyone else have lag when turning your wheel. There's a very noticeable >> delay with my wheel. > > Nope - no lag at all. In fact the at center performance on f12k2 WIP > demo is better than f12k1. Extremely smooth and no lag. > > w98se, momo with split axis pedals. > >

Correction - I did go into the .plr file and set the deadzones to zero manually. I didn't see an option on the menus but there might have been something. (I forgot about doing this). --- Bill

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>If you read the other rubbish this gent has coughed up in other threads >on this subject, I think you'll see what I'm getting at. > >Let me draw your attention to this priceless piece of 'wisdom' from the >above text, "(which would've saved me the $$$ on the game and further >time on getting it to accept input from my wheel/pedals in a way that >reflects a real car)" > >He's saying that about a sim not even released yet!

True, but the demo is supposed to give a decent representation of the final product. If the demo sucks, or doesn't work on your rig, that wouldn't exactly fill you with confidence to buy the retail version... Eldred -- Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett A friend of mine is involved in a fund-raiser walk-a-thon for research to cure breast cancer. If you can, please go to my homepage and see how to make a donation. Thank you. Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

The trick I did with DXTweak to get dual axis pedals to work cleanly for F1-2001 was to zero the center calibration value for each pedal. That turns that axis into a single directional axis, which is what F1-2001 assumes all pedal axes to be. This is compatable with all other games except the ones that really don't understand seperate axis pedals, or CMR2 which is hell bent on reading my brake pedal in the wrong direction. Now I have some Actlabs peformance pedals, and they're all set up this way by default, so they work just right in F1-2001. Damien Smith wrote: > > > I have a LWFF and use split axis. No bug here. > > I think you'll find that you're probably only getting half pedal travel > though. You need to use double values in DXtweak to use all available > travel on these pedals.

Where can I get the demo check the eA site nothing to be found ? "Grant Reeve" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> The trick I did with DXTweak to get dual axis pedals to work > cleanly for F1-2001 was to zero the center calibration value > for each pedal. That turns that axis into a single directional > axis, which is what F1-2001 assumes all pedal axes to be. This > is compatable with all other games except the ones that really > don't understand seperate axis pedals, or CMR2 which is hell > bent on reading my brake pedal in the wrong direction. > > Now I have some Actlabs peformance pedals, and they're all set > up this way by default, so they work just right in F1-2001. > > Damien Smith wrote: > > > > > I have a LWFF and use split axis. No bug here. > > > > I think you'll find that you're probably only getting half pedal travel > > though. You need to use double values in DXtweak to use all available > > travel on these pedals.

Gerry Aitken <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>... > Jason, why don't you try the demo first, instead of just talking out of > your arse about it? ATM, you're just knocking ISI on the basis of what > they have done before rather than their current work. What kind of a > dumb fuck does that?! > > Well, you apparently! Actually, since I made that post I've given the demo a whirl. It has the exact same controller problems as were present in their last 4 "simulations" (SCGT, F1 2000, F1 2000 CS, F1 2001). I also see that the wings still work the same regardless of the car's orientation to its direction of travel (I like that you can enter a turn literally sideways and the downforce still keeps your brakes from locking - assuming that's why the brakes never lock in this game) Also, I think that judging someone's past work is a perfectly valid way to appraise them. ISI's products have consistently been plagued with basic problems. I think it is perfectly fair to assume that those problems will be present in all of their releases until they release something that doesn't contain those problems. If a baseball player is hitting .220 after 5 years of his career, you aren't going to think that next year he'll hit .350. Jason

Name a better modern F1 sim? If this series is "plagued" then I'm immune to its disease. I certainly enjoy the enormous good things over the bad. It gets better every "edition" and I'm just happy a sim of this quality is still being continually improved and produced at all for that matter. Racing simulations are hardly thriving. -- Joe Marques "jason moyer" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > Gerry Aitken <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>... > > > Jason, why don't you try the demo first, instead of just talking out of > > your arse about it? ATM, you're just knocking ISI on the basis of what > > they have done before rather than their current work. What kind of a > > dumb fuck does that?! > > > > Well, you apparently! > > Actually, since I made that post I've given the demo a whirl. It has > the exact same controller problems as were present in their last 4 > "simulations" (SCGT, F1 2000, F1 2000 CS, F1 2001). I also see that > the wings still work the same regardless of the car's orientation to > its direction of travel (I like that you can enter a turn literally > sideways and the downforce still keeps your brakes from locking - > assuming that's why the brakes never lock in this game) > > Also, I think that judging someone's past work is a perfectly valid > way to appraise them. ISI's products have consistently been plagued > with basic problems. I think it is perfectly fair to assume that > those problems will be present in all of their releases until they > release something that doesn't contain those problems. If a baseball > player is hitting .220 after 5 years of his career, you aren't going > to think that next year he'll hit .350. > > Jason

jason moyer wrote: > If a baseball > player is hitting .220 after 5 years of his career, you aren't going > to think that next year he'll hit .350. Crap analogy. Gerry

On 18 May 2002 08:23:30 -0700, [email hidden] (jason moyer) wrote:

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>Gerry Aitken <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>... > >> Jason, why don't you try the demo first, instead of just talking out of >> your arse about it? ATM, you're just knocking ISI on the basis of what >> they have done before rather than their current work. What kind of a >> dumb fuck does that?! >> >> Well, you apparently! > >Actually, since I made that post I've given the demo a whirl. It has >the exact same controller problems as were present in their last 4 >"simulations" (SCGT, F1 2000, F1 2000 CS, F1 2001). I also see that >the wings still work the same regardless of the car's orientation to >its direction of travel (I like that you can enter a turn literally >sideways and the downforce still keeps your brakes from locking - >assuming that's why the brakes never lock in this game)

You still have some ABS support. Using "Veteran" settings (or something like that) isn't enough. You've to set it to "Off" manually. About the downforce, today's computers aren't fast enough to handle a real downforce calculation.

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> >Also, I think that judging someone's past work is a perfectly valid >way to appraise them. ISI's products have consistently been plagued >with basic problems. I think it is perfectly fair to assume that >those problems will be present in all of their releases until they >release something that doesn't contain those problems. If a baseball >player is hitting .220 after 5 years of his career, you aren't going >to think that next year he'll hit .350.

For the last 30 years I always laughted when someone drove a Skoda. Guess what, I just ordered myself a new one..... Remco

On Tue, 21 May 2002 12:10:17 GMT, [email hidden] (Remco Moedt) wrote: >For the last 30 years I always laughted when someone drove a Skoda. >Guess what, I just ordered myself a new one..... > >Remco HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!! Andre

> The nice thing with the new demo is the little axis display on the left > so you can actually see if this 50% throttle bug exists. Yeah, it was quite difficult to tell in F12001 if you had fixed it or not. It also gives you a better idea of how the sensitivity system works. -- Damien Smith [email hidden] ICQ: 77028579 F1 2001 rank: -11.512

I like that you can enter a turn literally > sideways and the downforce still keeps your brakes from locking - > assuming that's why the brakes never lock in this game) Ahhh, poor chap has weak legs and can't get the brakes to get to full power! ;O) If you like I can pass on an excersise routine to help make them stronger, as I have no problems in getting smoke from my tyres ... :O)