WINSTON SPOILER.........................pfffft........

"Brilliant" move by Burton/Crew ? I call it chickenshit<G> Looks like Stoddard watched the F1 race last week; why race for position, when you can do that ? New rule next year I bet. Great, now The Winston is going to be boring too. -John

most anyone behind the s/f line could have thought of it too...I'll have to tip my hat to them, cause i also believe that its always best to work smart, rather than hard when the opportunity presents itself :)

I can't agree with you John. They found a rule flaw and used it to their advantage, that's what competitive people do. The call WAS brilliant, was it fair? Probably not, but that is for NASCAR to fix. "John Pancoast" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > "Brilliant" move by Burton/Crew ? I call it chickenshit<G> Looks like > Stoddard watched the F1 race last week; why race for position, when youcan

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> do that ? > > New rule next year I bet. Great, now The Winston is going to be boring > too. > > -John > >

Oh, don't get me wrong; there wasn't a rule against it, so more power to them for thinking of it. Just stinks IMO; it's not racing, anymore than the GP was. Having a new rule against it next year(I imagine) says it all :) -John "Bob Fellenbaum" <hvacguy@ddgwireless(remove).com> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > I can't agree with you John. They found a rule flaw and used it to their > advantage, that's what competitive people do. The call WAS brilliant, wasit > fair? Probably not, but that is for NASCAR to fix. > > > "John Pancoast" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > "Brilliant" move by Burton/Crew ? I call it chickenshit<G> Lookslike > > Stoddard watched the F1 race last week; why race for position, when you > can > > do that ? > > > > New rule next year I bet. Great, now The Winston is going to beboring

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what happened? "John Pancoast" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > "Brilliant" move by Burton/Crew ? I call it chickenshit<G> Looks like > Stoddard watched the F1 race last week; why race for position, when youcan

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> do that ? > > New rule next year I bet. Great, now The Winston is going to be boring > too. > > -John > >

what happened? "John Pancoast" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > "Brilliant" move by Burton/Crew ? I call it chickenshit<G> Looks like > Stoddard watched the F1 race last week; why race for position, when youcan

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> do that ? > > New rule next year I bet. Great, now The Winston is going to be boring > too. > > -John > >

"drink" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:2hEF8.25840$[email hidden]... > what happened? > > "John Pancoast" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > "Brilliant" move by Burton/Crew ? I call it chickenshit<G> Lookslike > > Stoddard watched the F1 race last week; why race for position, when you > can > > do that ? > > > > New rule next year I bet. Great, now The Winston is going to beboring > > too. > > > > -John > > In the first 40 lap segment, each car is required to make a green pitstop. Burton was pitting just behind the s/f line. So, on the last lap, while everyone else had pitted earlier, he pits..........goes fifty yards or so to cross the s/f line/run the lap, and maintains his position, race over. -John

I agree, it was almost a sure bet, so it kinda spoiled it. But i suppose thats also a side-effect of what happens when you interupt racing with mandatory this and that. Youre also right in the new rule thing. Im sure we will see the mandatory "pit window" next year. Heeheeee !

"GMpartsguy" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:sQEF8.58476$[email hidden]... > I agree, it was almost a sure bet, so it kinda spoiled it. But i suppose > thats also a side-effect of what happens when you interupt racing with > mandatory this and that. Youre also right in the new rule thing. Im surewe > will see the mandatory "pit window" next year. Heeheeee ! > Good point, that's true(mandatory stuff). Get rid of the pitstops<G> -John

And he ended up finishing 20th overall so what difference did it really make? "John Pancoast" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> > "drink" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:2hEF8.25840$[email hidden]... > > what happened? > > > > "John Pancoast" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:[email hidden]... > > > "Brilliant" move by Burton/Crew ? I call it chickenshit<G> Looks > like > > > Stoddard watched the F1 race last week; why race for position, when

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> > can > > > do that ? > > > > > > New rule next year I bet. Great, now The Winston is going to be > boring > > > too. > > > > > > -John > > > > > In the first 40 lap segment, each car is required to make a green

pitstop. > Burton was pitting just behind the s/f line. So, on the last lap, while > everyone else had pitted earlier, he pits..........goes fifty yards or soto > cross the s/f line/run the lap, and maintains his position, race over. > > -John > >

No, he finished 2nd "Schooner" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:H2FF8.15054$[email hidden]...

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> And he ended up finishing 20th overall so what difference did it really > make? > > "John Pancoast" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > > > "drink" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:2hEF8.25840$[email hidden]... > > > what happened? > > > > > > "John Pancoast" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > news:[email hidden]... > > > > "Brilliant" move by Burton/Crew ? I call it chickenshit<G> Looks > > like > > > > Stoddard watched the F1 race last week; why race for position, when > you > > > can > > > > do that ? > > > > > > > > New rule next year I bet. Great, now The Winston is going to be > > boring > > > > too. > > > > > > > > -John > > > > > > > > In the first 40 lap segment, each car is required to make a green > pitstop. > > Burton was pitting just behind the s/f line. So, on the last lap, while > > everyone else had pitted earlier, he pits..........goes fifty yards or

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If, but, dog, rabbit :) If his clutch hadn't gone out, where would he have finished ? Like he said, he probably would have won. Big difference then. -John "Schooner" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:H2FF8.15054$[email hidden]...

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> And he ended up finishing 20th overall so what difference did it really > make? > > "John Pancoast" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > > > "drink" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:2hEF8.25840$[email hidden]... > > > what happened? > > > > > > "John Pancoast" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > news:[email hidden]... > > > > "Brilliant" move by Burton/Crew ? I call it chickenshit<G> Looks > > like > > > > Stoddard watched the F1 race last week; why race for position, when > you > > > can > > > > do that ? > > > > > > > > New rule next year I bet. Great, now The Winston is going to be > > boring > > > > too. > > > > > > > > -John > > > > > > > > In the first 40 lap segment, each car is required to make a green > pitstop. > > Burton was pitting just behind the s/f line. So, on the last lap, while > > everyone else had pitted earlier, he pits..........goes fifty yards or

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Would have won the segment maybe but it wasn't for the big money. It's The Winston, not a points race and thus the reason for the weird and wonderful rules. Sure it wasn't really fair but this race is for the fans and thus they try and mix stuff up a bit. I'm no Jeff Burton fan by far but it was a fair move under the rules, just glad he didn't win :) "John Pancoast" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

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> If, but, dog, rabbit :) If his clutch hadn't gone out, where would he > have finished ? Like he said, he probably would have won. Big difference > then. > > -John > > > "Schooner" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:H2FF8.15054$[email hidden]... > > And he ended up finishing 20th overall so what difference did it really > > make? > > > > "John Pancoast" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:[email hidden]... > > > > > > "drink" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > news:2hEF8.25840$[email hidden]... > > > > what happened? > > > > > > > > "John Pancoast" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > > news:[email hidden]... > > > > > "Brilliant" move by Burton/Crew ? I call it chickenshit<G>

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No, he didn't finish 2nd overall. He finished 2nd in the first segment and 20th in the final standings. "Bob Fellenbaum" <hvacguy@ddgwireless(remove).com> wrote in message news:3ce71e97$[email hidden]...

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> No, he finished 2nd > > > "Schooner" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:H2FF8.15054$[email hidden]... > > And he ended up finishing 20th overall so what difference did it really > > make? > > > > "John Pancoast" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:[email hidden]... > > > > > > "drink" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > news:2hEF8.25840$[email hidden]... > > > > what happened? > > > > > > > > "John Pancoast" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > > news:[email hidden]... > > > > > "Brilliant" move by Burton/Crew ? I call it chickenshit<G>

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> > you > > > > can > > > > > do that ? > > > > > > > > > > New rule next year I bet. Great, now The Winston is going to be > > > boring > > > > > too. > > > > > > > > > > -John > > > > > > > > > > > In the first 40 lap segment, each car is required to make a green > > pitstop. > > > Burton was pitting just behind the s/f line. So, on the last lap,

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Yeah, that's true. Nothing illegal, etc. at all. Just stinks IMO <G> -John "Schooner" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:59FF8.15058$[email hidden]...

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> Would have won the segment maybe but it wasn't for the big money. > It's The Winston, not a points race and thus the reason for the weird and > wonderful rules. Sure it wasn't really fair but this race is for the fans > and thus they try and mix stuff up a bit. > I'm no Jeff Burton fan by far but it was a fair move under the rules, just > glad he didn't win :) > > "John Pancoast" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > If, but, dog, rabbit :) If his clutch hadn't gone out, where would he > > have finished ? Like he said, he probably would have won. Big

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> > then. > > > > -John > > > > > > "Schooner" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:H2FF8.15054$[email hidden]... > > > And he ended up finishing 20th overall so what difference did it

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> > > make? > > > > > > "John Pancoast" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > news:[email hidden]... > > > > > > > > "drink" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > > news:2hEF8.25840$[email hidden]... > > > > > what happened? > > > > > > > > > > "John Pancoast" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > > > news:[email hidden]... > > > > > > "Brilliant" move by Burton/Crew ? I call it chickenshit<G> > Looks > > > > like > > > > > > Stoddard watched the F1 race last week; why race for position, > when > > > you > > > > > can > > > > > > do that ? > > > > > > > > > > > > New rule next year I bet. Great, now The Winston is going to

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> > > > boring > > > > > > too. > > > > > > > > > > > > -John > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In the first 40 lap segment, each car is required to make a green > > > pitstop. > > > > Burton was pitting just behind the s/f line. So, on the last lap, > while > > > > everyone else had pitted earlier, he pits..........goes fifty yards

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>"John Pancoast" <[email hidden]> wrote > New rule next year I bet. Great, now The Winston is going to be boring > too. Wrong newsgroup. -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- http://www.ymenard.8m.com/ -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimato Dominguez Corporation - helping America into the New World...

Lol, nah..........couldn't pay me to go to the other :) -John "ymenard" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:AEGF8.54635$[email hidden]... > >"John Pancoast" <[email hidden]> wrote > > New rule next year I bet. Great, now The Winston is going to beboring

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> > too. > > Wrong newsgroup. > > > > > -- > -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> > -- http://www.ymenard.8m.com/ > -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimato Dominguez > Corporation - helping America into the New World... > > >

The difference is, since that's what you asked, is that one car got robbed the chance to make it to the next round because of what Burton did. Don't get me wrong though, I thought it was an excellent example of using brains over braun. Yep, there will be a "no pit on the last lap" rule next year, but most rules are the results of fixing things that have already happened. -Tim "Schooner" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:mbFF8.15059$[email hidden]... > No, he didn't finish 2nd overall. He finished 2nd in the first segmentand

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> 20th in the final standings. > > "Bob Fellenbaum" <hvacguy@ddgwireless(remove).com> wrote in message > news:3ce71e97$[email hidden]... > > No, he finished 2nd > > > > > > "Schooner" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:H2FF8.15054$[email hidden]... > > > And he ended up finishing 20th overall so what difference did it

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> > > make? > > > > > > "John Pancoast" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > news:[email hidden]... > > > > > > > > "drink" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > > news:2hEF8.25840$[email hidden]... > > > > > what happened? > > > > > > > > > > "John Pancoast" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > > > news:[email hidden]... > > > > > > "Brilliant" move by Burton/Crew ? I call it chickenshit<G> > Looks > > > > like > > > > > > Stoddard watched the F1 race last week; why race for position, > when > > > you > > > > > can > > > > > > do that ? > > > > > > > > > > > > New rule next year I bet. Great, now The Winston is going to

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> > > > boring > > > > > > too. > > > > > > > > > > > > -John > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In the first 40 lap segment, each car is required to make a green > > > pitstop. > > > > Burton was pitting just behind the s/f line. So, on the last lap, > while > > > > everyone else had pitted earlier, he pits..........goes fifty yards

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"ymenard" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:AEGF8.54635$[email hidden]... > >"John Pancoast" <[email hidden]> wrote > > New rule next year I bet. Great, now The Winston is going to beboring > > too. > > Wrong newsgroup. No kidding! Let's get back to talking about Star Wars!! ;)

No one got robbed. Jeff Burton was running in the Top 10 the whole time up until they went with that strategy. Even if he would have pitted like everyone else, he still would have been in the top 20. The same cars would have gone home "Tim Miser" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > The difference is, since that's what you asked, is that one car got robbed > the chance to make it to the next round because of what Burton did. Don't > get me wrong though, I thought it was an excellent example of using brains > over braun. Yep, there will be a "no pit on the last lap" rule next year, > but most rules are the results of fixing things that have alreadyhappened.

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> > -Tim > > "Schooner" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:mbFF8.15059$[email hidden]... > > No, he didn't finish 2nd overall. He finished 2nd in the first segment > and > > 20th in the final standings. > > > > "Bob Fellenbaum" <hvacguy@ddgwireless(remove).com> wrote in message > > news:3ce71e97$[email hidden]... > > > No, he finished 2nd > > > > > > > > > "Schooner" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > news:H2FF8.15054$[email hidden]... > > > > And he ended up finishing 20th overall so what difference did it > really > > > > make? > > > > > > > > "John Pancoast" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > > news:[email hidden]... > > > > > > > > > > "drink" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > > > news:2hEF8.25840$[email hidden]... > > > > > > what happened? > > > > > > > > > > > > "John Pancoast" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > > > > news:[email hidden]... > > > > > > > "Brilliant" move by Burton/Crew ? I call it chickenshit<G> > > Looks > > > > > like > > > > > > > Stoddard watched the F1 race last week; why race for position, > > when > > > > you > > > > > > can > > > > > > > do that ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > New rule next year I bet. Great, now The Winston is going

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> In the first 40 lap segment, each car is required to make a green > pitstop. > Burton was pitting just behind the s/f line. So, on the last lap, > while everyone else had pitted earlier, he pits..........goes fifty > yards or so to cross the s/f line/run the lap, and maintains his > position, race over. > > -John > >

So pit entry and exit are not considered part of the stop in Nascar? Actually something similar happened in F1 when someone (hmm I think it was MS but not sure) served a stop n go penalty on the last lap of the race, having crossed the finish line before stopping because the team garage was at the bottom of pit road... I think the FIA patched that leak, so I'd guess NASCAR will do the same to clarify what's involved in a pitstop? cheers John

>"John Pancoast" <[email hidden]> wrote > Lol, nah..........couldn't pay me to go to the other :) I meant the mho newsgroup ;-D Or perhaps that was your point, and not about rasn! -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- http://www.ymenard.8m.com/ -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimato Dominguez Corporation - helping America into the New World...

lol, oops, no, I meant Jacob's<G> But couldn't pay me to go the the mho group either <G> -John "ymenard" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:U7aG8.3433$[email hidden]...

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Everyone draws the purple rock every now and then... -Larry "Tim Miser" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > The difference is, since that's what you asked, is that one car got robbed > the chance to make it to the next round because of what Burton did. Don't > get me wrong though, I thought it was an excellent example of using brains > over braun. Yep, there will be a "no pit on the last lap" rule next year, > but most rules are the results of fixing things that have alreadyhappened.

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> > -Tim > > "Schooner" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:mbFF8.15059$[email hidden]... > > No, he didn't finish 2nd overall. He finished 2nd in the first segment > and > > 20th in the final standings. > > > > "Bob Fellenbaum" <hvacguy@ddgwireless(remove).com> wrote in message > > news:3ce71e97$[email hidden]... > > > No, he finished 2nd > > > > > > > > > "Schooner" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > news:H2FF8.15054$[email hidden]... > > > > And he ended up finishing 20th overall so what difference did it > really > > > > make? > > > > > > > > "John Pancoast" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > > news:[email hidden]... > > > > > > > > > > "drink" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > > > news:2hEF8.25840$[email hidden]... > > > > > > what happened? > > > > > > > > > > > > "John Pancoast" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > > > > > news:[email hidden]... > > > > > > > "Brilliant" move by Burton/Crew ? I call it chickenshit<G> > > Looks > > > > > like > > > > > > > Stoddard watched the F1 race last week; why race for position, > > when > > > > you > > > > > > can > > > > > > > do that ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > New rule next year I bet. Great, now The Winston is going

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In article <YZEG8.38534$[email hidden]>, "Larry \(The Other Larry\)" <[email hidden]> writes: >Everyone draws the purple rock every now and then... Purple rock? Eldred -- Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett A friend of mine is involved in a fund-raiser walk-a-thon for research to cure breast cancer. If you can, please go to my homepage and see how to make a donation. Thank you. Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

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>In article <YZEG8.38534$[email hidden]>, "Larry \(The >Other Larry\)" <[email hidden]> writes: > >>Everyone draws the purple rock every now and then... > >Purple rock? >

Ask Paschal, Neleh, or Vecepia <g>

> >>Everyone draws the purple rock every now and then... > > > >Purple rock? > > > Ask Paschal, Neleh, or Vecepia <g> >Paschal, Neleh, or Vecepia?

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>> >>Everyone draws the purple rock every now and then... >> > >> >Purple rock? >> > >> Ask Paschal, Neleh, or Vecepia <g> >> >Paschal, Neleh, or Vecepia?

Thanks, Rob - I didn't understand it either... Eldred -- Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett A friend of mine is involved in a fund-raiser walk-a-thon for research to cure breast cancer. If you can, please go to my homepage and see how to make a donation. Thank you. Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

"EldredP" wrote... > <snip> > Thanks, Rob - I didn't understand it either... Everquest reference? Jan./just guessing =---

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> "EldredP" wrote... > > <snip> > > Thanks, Rob - I didn't understand it either... > > Everquest reference? > > Jan./just guessing > =--- >

Everquest ? -John :)

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> > "Jan Verschueren" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > "EldredP" wrote... > > > <snip> > > > Thanks, Rob - I didn't understand it either... > > > > Everquest reference? > > > > Jan./just guessing > > =--- > > > Everquest ? > > -John > > > > :)

John?