my poor racing etiquette

Was racing online yesterday, and got a little behind . when the leaders came around to lap me, I was about in the middle of the track, they were coming up fast. I figured I would just not move, would let them go around however they wanted. (Was thinking that if I went hi/lo they would do the same and hit me) Naturally, one of em smacked into me and led to a big mess. Subsequently, I was told that I "sucked a**". This was confirmed by several others. Said I should yield to the leaders. Now which way should I go to get out of their way?

It depends on the track, etc., but generally, going high is a safe bet. Having said that, sounds like they could have been a bit more patient too; they sound like the "I've caught up to you, move over NOW" types. -John "jon" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:ezwG8.14844$[email hidden]... > Was racing online yesterday, and got a little behind . when the leaderscame > around to lap me, I was about in the middle of the track, they were coming > up fast. I figured I would just not move, would let them go around however > they wanted. (Was thinking that if I went hi/lo they would do the same and > hit me) Naturally, one of em smacked into me and led to a big mess. > Subsequently, I was told that I "sucked a**". This was confirmed byseveral > others. Said I should yield to the leaders. Now which way should I go toget > out of their way? > > >

lol that actually happened to me once as well.. I was without draft at talladega and the pack of leaders were just coming up *real* fast, I had the same concerns as you in that I didn't know if I were to go high that they would be able to move in time, so i stayed kinda in the middle and ended up causing a pretty big wreck.. luckily it was only a 10 lapper for fun.. but I wouldn't worry about it... since that incident i've always gone high and it's never failed yet.. "jon" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:ezwG8.14844$[email hidden]... > Was racing online yesterday, and got a little behind . when the leaderscame > around to lap me, I was about in the middle of the track, they were coming > up fast. I figured I would just not move, would let them go around however > they wanted. (Was thinking that if I went hi/lo they would do the same and > hit me) Naturally, one of em smacked into me and led to a big mess. > Subsequently, I was told that I "sucked a**". This was confirmed byseveral > others. Said I should yield to the leaders. Now which way should I go toget > out of their way? > > >

If you held your line I'd say it was their fault. It's their job to pass you not for you to let them pass. Your only job is not to turn into them IMHO. If I had been trying to pass you then I rammed you and you held a steady line, I'd say it was my fault. If you want to try and let them pass safely, I always try and stay high in a turn if that's where they are gonna catch me, if they are likely to catch me on the exit of a corner I'll try and stay low on the exit. Maybe I'm wrong, but no one has rear ended me yet (except under yellows) I'm not an expert in NASCAR sims by any means, but I do like to think I'm reasonably safe ;) -- Ian P <email invalid due to spam> "jon" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:ezwG8.14844$[email hidden]... > Was racing online yesterday, and got a little behind . when the leaders came > around to lap me, I was about in the middle of the track, they were coming > up fast. I figured I would just not move, would let them go around however > they wanted. (Was thinking that if I went hi/lo they would do the same and > hit me) Naturally, one of em smacked into me and led to a big mess. > Subsequently, I was told that I "sucked a**". This was confirmed by several > others. Said I should yield to the leaders. Now which way should I go to get > out of their way? > > >

> Was racing online yesterday, and got a little behind . when the leaderscame > around to lap me, I was about in the middle of the track, they were coming > up fast. I figured I would just not move, would let them go around however > they wanted. (Was thinking that if I went hi/lo they would do the same and > hit me) Naturally, one of em smacked into me and led to a big mess. > Subsequently, I was told that I "sucked a**". This was confirmed byseveral > others. Said I should yield to the leaders. Now which way should I go toget > out of their way? I'd much rather have somebody I'm lapping hold his line than make some erratic move to get out of my way. Your #1 job is to be consistent and predictable. Their #1 job is to get around you safely. Of course I'd never tell anybody he "sucked a**" either, because I generally try to have a bit more class than that. Unfortunately, the only guaranteed way to get away from jerks like that is to join a league or only race with friends.

Thing was, they hit me towards the end of the straight at daytona. First two got by ok ,third hit me. Guess he didn't see past the other two. "Ian P" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:ace7af$gld$[email hidden]... > If you held your line I'd say it was their fault. It's their job to passyou > not for you to let them pass. Your only job is not to turn into them IMHO. > If I had been trying to pass you then I rammed you and you held a steady > line, I'd say it was my fault. > If you want to try and let them pass safely, I always try and stay high ina > turn if that's where they are gonna catch me, if they are likely to catchme > on the exit of a corner I'll try and stay low on the exit. Maybe I'mwrong,

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> but no one has rear ended me yet (except under yellows) > I'm not an expert in NASCAR sims by any means, but I do like to think I'm > reasonably safe ;) > > -- > > Ian P > <email invalid due to spam> > > > "jon" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:ezwG8.14844$[email hidden]... > > Was racing online yesterday, and got a little behind . when the leaders > came > > around to lap me, I was about in the middle of the track, they were

coming > > up fast. I figured I would just not move, would let them go aroundhowever > > they wanted. (Was thinking that if I went hi/lo they would do the sameand

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> > hit me) Naturally, one of em smacked into me and led to a big mess. > > Subsequently, I was told that I "sucked a**". This was confirmed by > several > > others. Said I should yield to the leaders. Now which way should I go to > get > > out of their way? > > > > > > > >

> Thing was, they hit me towards the end of the straight at daytona. Firsttwo > got by ok ,third hit me. Guess he didn't see past the other two. Possibly he has a low-spec PC and had to turn "cars ahead" way down. Still no excuse to be rude to you though.

>"jon" <[email hidden]> wrote > Was racing online yesterday, and got a little behind . when the leaderscame > around to lap me, I was about in the middle of the track, they were coming > up fast. What sim? track? corner? ;) -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- http://www.ymenard.8m.com/ -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimato Dominguez Corporation - helping America into the New World...

"jon" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:ezwG8.14844$[email hidden]... > Was racing online yesterday, and got a little behind . when the leaderscame > around to lap me, I was about in the middle of the track, they were coming > up fast. I figured I would just not move, would let them go around however > they wanted. (Was thinking that if I went hi/lo they would do the same and > hit me) Naturally, one of em smacked into me and led to a big mess. > Subsequently, I was told that I "sucked a**". This was confirmed byseveral > others. Said I should yield to the leaders. Now which way should I go toget > out of their way? > > You didn't do anything wrong. It is best to hold a line and let the overtaking drivers pick high or low and let them do their thing. The only thing worse than catching a much slower car while in a line and at speed is for that driver to make a sudden erratic movement. The only other thing you may have been able to do is pick a line and autochat to the approaching driver to 'pass low' or 'pass high' and hope they have enough awareness to know that it is you telling them this...

If you held you line - it's **allways** the faster driver's responsibility to make a safe pass. As long as you dont drive like 'Swervin Irvan'... - it's their responsibility not to screw things up. End on story. -- ed_ "jon" said: > Was racing online yesterday, and got a little behind . when the leaders came > around to lap me, I was about in the middle of the track, they were coming > up fast. I figured I would just not move, would let them go around however > they wanted. (Was thinking that if I went hi/lo they would do the same and > hit me) Naturally, one of em smacked into me and led to a big mess. > Subsequently, I was told that I "sucked a**". This was confirmed by several > others. Said I should yield to the leaders. Now which way should I go to get > out of their way? > > >

Their mistake, compounded by rudeness. In a Nascar race, too - go figure... ;-) SB PS - it's a good idea to use the autochat keys to tell guys which way to go in such situations and then make room for them in that direction. You might also reserve a key for " I TOLD you to go high/low; can't you read?" Might come in handy! "jon" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:3HxG8.15450$[email hidden]... > Thing was, they hit me towards the end of the straight at daytona. Firsttwo > got by ok ,third hit me. Guess he didn't see past the other two. > "Ian P" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:ace7af$gld$[email hidden]... > > If you held your line I'd say it was their fault. It's their job to pass > you > > not for you to let them pass. Your only job is not to turn into themIMHO. > > If I had been trying to pass you then I rammed you and you held a steady > > line, I'd say it was my fault. > > If you want to try and let them pass safely, I always try and stay highin > a > > turn if that's where they are gonna catch me, if they are likely tocatch > me > > on the exit of a corner I'll try and stay low on the exit. Maybe I'm > wrong, > > but no one has rear ended me yet (except under yellows) > > I'm not an expert in NASCAR sims by any means, but I do like to thinkI'm

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> > reasonably safe ;) > > > > -- > > > > Ian P > > <email invalid due to spam> > > > > > > "jon" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:ezwG8.14844$[email hidden]... > > > Was racing online yesterday, and got a little behind . when the

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> > came > > > around to lap me, I was about in the middle of the track, they were > coming > > > up fast. I figured I would just not move, would let them go around > however > > > they wanted. (Was thinking that if I went hi/lo they would do the same > and > > > hit me) Naturally, one of em smacked into me and led to a big mess. > > > Subsequently, I was told that I "sucked a**". This was confirmed by > > several > > > others. Said I should yield to the leaders. Now which way should I go

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This is one of the reasons for me quitting N4 after 6 weeks or so. I had been doing GPL online for 1-2 years prior to my entrance to the N4 community. In GPL, most ppl keep quiet during race, or if the cause accident, they type "sry", which are being responded by "np". Not so in N4. In N4, some kind of accident would happen, and all hell would break loose. Flaming all over the place. I once was flamed heavily for being rearended at Daytona, in spite of me being in the lead pack and keeping my line. Go figure. For some mysterious reason, a few people seems to have a gas pedal that cannot be lifted. If you are being lapped, and you do not realize it until it is practically too late: Keep your line. If they know that you will hold your line, they can pass safely. If you change line when they are passing... well... close your eyes, 'cause heavy flaming is about to happen. As long as you are not blocking, and are behaving in a predictable way, I'd say you are doing the right thing. If you, in spite of this, are being rear ended, then I'd say that the rear ender is at fault. Jon Andersen "jon" <[email hidden]> skrev i melding news:ezwG8.14844$[email hidden]... > Was racing online yesterday, and got a little behind . when the leaderscame > around to lap me, I was about in the middle of the track, they were coming > up fast. I figured I would just not move, would let them go around however > they wanted. (Was thinking that if I went hi/lo they would do the same and > hit me) Naturally, one of em smacked into me and led to a big mess. > Subsequently, I was told that I "sucked a**". This was confirmed byseveral > others. Said I should yield to the leaders. Now which way should I go toget > out of their way? > > >

jon ([email hidden]) wrote on 21 May 2002: > Was racing online yesterday, and got a little behind . when the > leaders came around to lap me, I was about in the middle of the > track, they were coming up fast. I figured I would just not move, > would let them go around however they wanted. <snip> >which way should I go to get out of their way? I don't race online in anything but GPL, so have minimal multiplayer oval experience, but as far as Daytona goes (and Milano, which includes a "half-oval"), the single worst thing is when the car being lapped makes an unexpected sudden movement. Of course (especially at Milano), GPL cars break away quite easily on very banked corners, so that's just bad luck, but as far as I'm concerned if the driver you're lapping holds their line, and you still crash into them, it's your fault. (Of course, you have to be *very* careful when lapping a group of more than one car, as [in most cases] GPL drivers can only see one car in their mirrors...) -- "After all, a mere thousand yards... such a harmless little knoll, really" - Raymond Mays on Shelsley Walsh. The GPL Scrapyard: Back again! http://www.btinternet.com/~gplscrapyard

When you see lead cars or packs approaching, pick your lane, usually the higher lane in turns, and use your F keys to tell them where you want them to pass you. On another note, the leaders/lead pack should also be using their F keys to signal where they intend to go. Looks like everyone takes a little blame for that incident, but of course the faster guys never see it as any responsiblilty of theirs to make safe passes jon <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:ezwG8.14844$[email hidden]...

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> Was racing online yesterday, and got a little behind . when the leaders came > around to lap me, I was about in the middle of the track, they were coming > up fast. I figured I would just not move, would let them go around however > they wanted. (Was thinking that if I went hi/lo they would do the same and > hit me) Naturally, one of em smacked into me and led to a big mess. > Subsequently, I was told that I "sucked a**". This was confirmed by several > others. Said I should yield to the leaders. Now which way should I go to get > out of their way? > > >

"Rob Adams" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:lNxG8.28159$[email hidden]... > I'd much rather have somebody I'm lapping hold his line than make some > erratic move to get out of my way. Your #1 job is to be consistent and > predictable. Their #1 job is to get around you safely. > Yeah, I agree. It's kinda like driving when an emergency vehicle is coming up behind you... if you can't get to the curb but there's room to the left or right then just hold your line, they'll go around you. Dale.

n2002 daytona seems like end of the back strt. ymenard <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:F1yG8.33867$[email hidden]... > >"jon" <[email hidden]> wrote > > Was racing online yesterday, and got a little behind . when the leaders > came > > around to lap me, I was about in the middle of the track, they werecoming

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> > up fast. > > What sim? track? corner? ;) > > > > > -- > -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> > -- http://www.ymenard.8m.com/ > -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimato Dominguez > Corporation - helping America into the New World... > > >

>"jon" <[email hidden]> wrote > n2002 daytona seems like end of the back strt. Just hold your line at that place, and if you are able either stay low or stay high. Leaders are quite able to pass you there without a problem, yeah. It's not like there ain't enough space, they could go 2 wide passing you even if you were staying in the middle. There is even dividing lines on the track to facilitate that. -- -- Fran�ois M�nard <ymenard> -- http://www.ymenard.8m.com/ -- This announcement is brought to you by the Shimato Dominguez Corporation - helping America into the New World...

Generally speaking, go high and stay there. It doesn't hurt to have a Macro recorded for "I am going high" and "I am going low". -Larry "jon" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:ezwG8.14844$[email hidden]... > Was racing online yesterday, and got a little behind . when the leaderscame > around to lap me, I was about in the middle of the track, they were coming > up fast. I figured I would just not move, would let them go around however > they wanted. (Was thinking that if I went hi/lo they would do the same and > hit me) Naturally, one of em smacked into me and led to a big mess. > Subsequently, I was told that I "sucked a**". This was confirmed byseveral > others. Said I should yield to the leaders. Now which way should I go toget > out of their way? > > >

The very best answer is the one you chose, STRAIGHT AHEAD. It is the responsibility of the overtaking car to pass safely, end of story. Granted, you probably should have been using shift-F2 to notice that the leaders were closing long before it was too late to get to one side of the track or the other. So, no star next to your name, but no black mark either. Gerald "jon" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<ezwG8.14844$[email hidden]>...

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> Was racing online yesterday, and got a little behind . when the leaders came > around to lap me, I was about in the middle of the track, they were coming > up fast. I figured I would just not move, would let them go around however > they wanted. (Was thinking that if I went hi/lo they would do the same and > hit me) Naturally, one of em smacked into me and led to a big mess. > Subsequently, I was told that I "sucked a**". This was confirmed by several > others. Said I should yield to the leaders. Now which way should I go to get > out of their way?