If I plug my CPU into my HDTV, what's the max RES I can get?
Anybody else tried that?
-TAZ
TAZ,
It looks pretty sad with devices like TView Presenter; a very blocky, grainy
640x480 or so. There are some high-end cards with hi-rez/hi-refresh output,
but none with 1080p (progressive-scan, the HDTV standard) that I know of,
altho an outboard scan doubler might help. Basically, for the amt. of $
you'd have to put out for such h/w, you'd be better off buying a plasma
monitor, which could be used for both HDTV and XGA.
--Steve Smith
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> If I plug my CPU into my HDTV, what's the max RES I can get? > > Anybody else tried that? > > -TAZ > > >
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> If I plug my CPU into my HDTV, what's the max RES I can get?
>
> Anybody else tried that?
>
> -TAZ
That depends on which HDTV you have. You should have those specs in the
manual that came with the HDTV.
Actually HDTV has 3 standards currently employed in North America...480p,
720p, and 1080i. There is no 1080p. For film the format that is currently
preferred is 1080i 24 frames per second (48 fields) (fps) as opposed to 30
fps that you would expect for an NTSC signal (25 fps for PAL). With 24fps
you still get the 'feel' of film (flicker etc..) without sacrificing picture
quality. Star Wars II: Attack of the Clones was shot on Sony HDCam 1080i
24p (as it's termed in the film world - p = pictures/sec). If you get a
chance to see it at the theater on a digital projector (instead of the film
transferred version), I'd recommend it. You can start to see the power of
TRUEr HD. Not that overly compressed crap that cable companies and
satellite systems are trying to tout. But I digress.
Any good HD set should already have 'line doublers' or equivalents built in.
I presume you are just thinking of pluggin in your Video output into the
standard (NTSC) input on your set and not converting the signal to HD with
an up-converter (this is very costly and generally only used by
broadcasters). In this case, your maximum resolution will not be any better
than regular NTSC or maximum resolution output from your video card if its
less. The picture will look better because of the line doubling (improving
"TV Lines" of resolution), but the actual resolution will be the same.
Take a look at your set's manual and try to find how many TV Lines of
resolution it has. Standard NTSC has 500. This will give you an idea of
how much better it will appear.
Hope this helps.
Mike
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> TAZ,
>
> It looks pretty sad with devices like TView Presenter; a very blocky,grainy
> 640x480 or so. There are some high-end cards with hi-rez/hi-refreshoutput,
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> but none with 1080p (progressive-scan, the HDTV standard) that I know of, > altho an outboard scan doubler might help. Basically, for the amt. of $ > you'd have to put out for such h/w, you'd be better off buying a plasma > monitor, which could be used for both HDTV and XGA. > > --Steve Smith > > "TAZ" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:vP4H8.1908$[email hidden]... > > If I plug my CPU into my HDTV, what's the max RES I can get? > > > > Anybody else tried that? > > > > -TAZ > > > > > > > >Michael,
Yes, I meant 1080i not p...and line doubler not scan doubler. Many
HDTV-"ready" do not seem to have a line doubler, but some try to fake it
with proprietary schemes, and none I know of have the gold-standard Faroudja
technology (available as an outboard "black box" for $6-7,000). Convergence
seems like the Holy Grail, but there's very little compatible implementation
so far that I can see.
You wouldn't have a list of digital theaters where we might see "Clones", do
ya? I hear the list is pretty short.
--Steve
"Michael Basden" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> Actually HDTV has 3 standards currently employed in North America...480p,
> 720p, and 1080i. There is no 1080p. For film the format that iscurrently
> preferred is 1080i 24 frames per second (48 fields) (fps) as opposed to 30
> fps that you would expect for an NTSC signal (25 fps for PAL). With 24fps
> you still get the 'feel' of film (flicker etc..) without sacrificingpicture
> quality. Star Wars II: Attack of the Clones was shot on Sony HDCam 1080i
> 24p (as it's termed in the film world - p = pictures/sec). If you get a
> chance to see it at the theater on a digital projector (instead of thefilm
> transferred version), I'd recommend it. You can start to see the power of
> TRUEr HD. Not that overly compressed crap that cable companies and
> satellite systems are trying to tout. But I digress.
>
> Any good HD set should already have 'line doublers' or equivalents builtin.
>
> I presume you are just thinking of pluggin in your Video output into the
> standard (NTSC) input on your set and not converting the signal to HD with
> an up-converter (this is very costly and generally only used by
> broadcasters). In this case, your maximum resolution will not be anybetter
> than regular NTSC or maximum resolution output from your video card if its
> less. The picture will look better because of the line doubling(improving
of,
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> "TV Lines" of resolution), but the actual resolution will be the same. > > Take a look at your set's manual and try to find how many TV Lines of > resolution it has. Standard NTSC has 500. This will give you an idea of > how much better it will appear. > > Hope this helps. > > Mike > > "Steve Smith" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:I85H8.1798$[email hidden]... > > TAZ, > > > > It looks pretty sad with devices like TView Presenter; a very blocky, > grainy > > 640x480 or so. There are some high-end cards with hi-rez/hi-refresh > output, > > but none with 1080p (progressive-scan, the HDTV standard) that I knowQuoted text (20 lines)
> > altho an outboard scan doubler might help. Basically, for the amt. of $ > > you'd have to put out for such h/w, you'd be better off buying a plasma > > monitor, which could be used for both HDTV and XGA. > > > > --Steve Smith > > > > "TAZ" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:vP4H8.1908$[email hidden]... > > > If I plug my CPU into my HDTV, what's the max RES I can get? > > > > > > Anybody else tried that? > > > > > > -TAZ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Apparently you can use PowerStrip to induce your video card into
outputting the exactly correct 720p or 1080i signal, and then if you
have appropriate output splitter cables or something you can
directly plug in the HDTV to your gfx card. I've never tried it as
I don't have a HDTV, but lots of people do it with their home
theatre PCs over here:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/forumdisplay.php?s=&forumid=26
A bit of searching for "PowerStrip" should find appropriate info.
I don't know if you can get games to use these resolutions. I
know GPL and N4 and N2002 are all forced to using 4:3 screenmodes.
TAZ wrote:
>
> If I plug my CPU into my HDTV, what's the max RES I can get?
>
> Anybody else tried that?
>
> -TAZ
"Grant Reeve" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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I have used my Mits 55805 HDTV for a monitor on occasion. This model has a
standard VGA input for HD.
HOWEVER...you need to be EXTEMELY CAREFUL if you interface your PC directly
to your set and not thru a scan converter. If you overdrive your set...bye
bye. The highest resolution I would try is a xxx by 540p or 960i. All HD
sets can run these resolutions, but many cannot run a 720p native signal.
And, it's true, NR4 & 2002 are hard coded to a 4:3 ratio. Don't get me
started on the FOV issue. We did that a few months ago.
Have Fun!
Jeff
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> Apparently you can use PowerStrip to induce your video card into > outputting the exactly correct 720p or 1080i signal, and then if you > have appropriate output splitter cables or something you can > directly plug in the HDTV to your gfx card. I've never tried it as > I don't have a HDTV, but lots of people do it with their home > theatre PCs over here: > > http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/forumdisplay.php?s=&forumid=26 > > A bit of searching for "PowerStrip" should find appropriate info. > > I don't know if you can get games to use these resolutions. I > know GPL and N4 and N2002 are all forced to using 4:3 screenmodes. > >
"Steve Smith" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> Michael,
>
> Yes, I meant 1080i not p...
There is actually a 1080p standard although no one has ever really bothered
to adapt it. The film guys buffed it from the get go along with 480i, 720i
and 960p.
>and line doubler not scan doubler. Many
> HDTV-"ready" do not seem to have a line doubler, but some try to fake it
> with proprietary schemes, and none I know of have the gold-standardFaroudja
> technology (available as an outboard "black box" for $6-7,000).Convergence
> seems like the Holy Grail, but there's very little compatibleimplementation
> so far that I can see.
That's the difference between HD-ready sets and true HD sets! A lot of
people don't really have a clue what they are buying and get suckered into
getting an HD ready set. Poor souls! I'm holding off until the prices come
down somewhat, but then again I'm also looking towards getting a CRT HD set
instead of the soft, limited-viewing-range-projection ones, or the
limited-life-span plasma displays. Here in Canada not many people are
broadcasting HD let alone with decent signal quality!
Faroudja looks great but it's really more of a scaler than a format
converter. Not a big difference picture-wise but a difference none the
less. Sony makes a great converter for broadcasters (or high end HDphiles)
call the HKPF-9000 which is a true real-time multiformat converter. Any res
to any res (when fully optioned) and switchable on the fly. Very nice!
> You wouldn't have a list of digital theaters where we might see "Clones",do
> ya? I hear the list is pretty short.
In Ontario, Canada there is only one (1) Lucas approved venue for the
digital version in the entire province! It's located about an hour away in
Waterloo (not even in Toronto amazingly enough!). Aside from that, there
are some venues who are supposedly showing the digital version despite not
being approved but I can't see how they would manage to get ahold of a copy
given the way Lucas distributed it. I have to admit, I'm NOT a Star Wars
fan but being in the broadcast biz, I have to maintain some interest.
Michael,
Thanks. I'm in upstate NY. I woulda gladly driven to Toronto to see this
wonder of the future. It's a little farther to NYC; is there such a theater
there?
I hesitate to ask, but just how much is the Sony HKPF-9000?
--Steve
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bothered
> to adapt it. The film guys buffed it from the get go along with 480i,720i
come
> down somewhat, but then again I'm also looking towards getting a CRT HDset
HDphiles)
> call the HKPF-9000 which is a true real-time multiformat converter. Anyres
> to any res (when fully optioned) and switchable on the fly. Very nice!
>
> > You wouldn't have a list of digital theaters where we might see"Clones",
> do
> > ya? I hear the list is pretty short.
>
> In Ontario, Canada there is only one (1) Lucas approved venue for the
> digital version in the entire province! It's located about an hour awayin
> Waterloo (not even in Toronto amazingly enough!). Aside from that, there
> are some venues who are supposedly showing the digital version despite not
> being approved but I can't see how they would manage to get ahold of acopy
> given the way Lucas distributed it. I have to admit, I'm NOT a Star Wars
> fan but being in the broadcast biz, I have to maintain some interest.
>
>
>
