http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3149611
Hopefully other publishers will follow suit.
I haven't had a problem with the Starforce games on my system, but I
have a separate PC for DVD burning, etc. I recognize and dislike the
technical issues with Starforce, and thier business practices are
indefensible.
Kendt
Flame warUbisoft drops Starforce, reigniting copy protection feud
A poster shared news that Ubisoft would stop using Starforce copy protection. Mitch argued future schemes would be worse and that most drive problems came from piracy attempts, while others reported genuine issues; the thread degenerated into accusations that a poster was a known troll using aliases and mutual abuse.
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They will STILL be using copy protection just not Starforce. You assume the
nextgen copy protections will be somehow be less intrusive than SF? Why is
that? As Ive always said, Starforce while a PITA is nothing compared to
what we will see in future copyright protection schemes. Lets wait and see
what the replacement is before you get all excited K.
Mitch
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> http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3149611 > > Hopefully other publishers will follow suit. > I haven't had a problem with the Starforce games on my system, but I > have a separate PC for DVD burning, etc. I recognize and dislike the > technical issues with Starforce, and thier business practices are > indefensible. > > Kendt >Intrusive seems a bit strong, but I get the point.
Copy protection is fine by me, as long as it doesn't create <more>
problems for the end user, similat to what we have with SF and GTL
I recall a game for the C64 that displayed an image on the screen and
the "copy protection" was a colored piece of cellophane that you looked
thru to read a code and then entered into the computer.
Yes their have been many protection schemes. Hardware dongles, a word on a
specific page in the manual, spinning secure wheels, etc, etc,etc. This my
friend has always been my point for Starforce. With very few exceptions
(pirates notwithstanding) SF works quickly and easily and the only
requirement is the original cd/dvd. Barely noticeable let alone intrusive.
Of all the broken DVD drives Id bet a HUGE percentage (99%+) were caused by
the user/pirate trying to defeat the copy protection not the actual copy
protection scheme, despite the whining, crying, screaming, bitching and
moaning so prevalent today.
Whats going to happen now is unknown but Ill hazard a guess that copy
protection will become more intrusive than SF, not less. What will all the
anti SF activist crowd say then? Will they apologize for making the
situation worse? Ill bet they will start yet another moonbat based activist
crusade of smear and lies based on nothing other than fear and insecurity
instead of fact and common sense.
The second you plug that RJ45/11 (nowadays GPRS/Edge etc) jack into your PC
youre fundamentally insecure, SF, MS-ring0, DblClck or not. Its comical
listening to the simpletons trying to convince themselves how insecure SF
and MS makes them all the while ignoring the true insecure realities of
computers and the internet v1.0 altogether. These are the same people that
wouldnt blink and eyelash d/ling then using one of the many tools CREATED BY
PIRATES to get around the copy protection. Does that make any sense at all?
Mitch
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> Intrusive seems a bit strong, but I get the point. > > Copy protection is fine by me, as long as it doesn't create <more> > problems for the end user, similat to what we have with SF and GTL > > I recall a game for the C64 that displayed an image on the screen and > the "copy protection" was a colored piece of cellophane that you looked > thru to read a code and then entered into the computer. >"Of all the broken DVD drives Id bet a HUGE percentage (99%+) were
caused by
the user/pirate trying to defeat the copy protection not the actual
copy
protection scheme, despite the whining, crying, screaming, bitching and
moaning so prevalent today."
See here is where I disagree. I must be an exceptional person as my DVD
drive shat itself shortly after installing (less than a month) GTL. I
work in a "government" capacity, if you catch my drift, and I am no
pirate. Coincidence or something more? Sure it was a POS Dell OEM
DVD-ROM drive that was a whole 11 months old, but I have my doubts that
the install of GTL&SF and my drive crapping out were unrelated.
The scary world out there IS an insecure place, but in the confines of
my home, I shouldn't have to be worried that installing and/or running
a piece of entertainment software will cause physical damage to
equipment that worked fine prior.
> See here is where I disagree. I must be an exceptional person as my DVD
> drive shat itself shortly after installing (less than a month) GTL. I
> work in a "government" capacity, if you catch my drift, and I am no
> pirate. Coincidence or something more? Sure it was a POS Dell OEM
> DVD-ROM drive that was a whole 11 months old, but I have my doubts that
> the install of GTL&SF and my drive crapping out were unrelated.
The current quality control on CD/DVD-Writers is utterly abysmal. Every
drive I've owned in the last 3-4 years has died just outside the one year
warranty period except for one which died when it was a month old and had to
be sent away for repair - 6 weeks later I received a new one.
My latest NEC DVD burner is about 14 months old and no longer reads or
writes CDs. (DVDs are ok)
I think my next one will be a Plextor, though at 3x the price it had better
be good.
Damn I hate Chinese electronics.
The weirdest of all time was Lotus Jazz for the Macintosh back in the mid
80's.
They had a Laser Hole burned into the disk, and the software would not run
if that hole was not present.
You had to run it using the original discs. No user backups were permitted.
They charged a fee for replacements.
-Larry
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> Yes their have been many protection schemes. Hardware dongles, a word on > a specific page in the manual, spinning secure wheels, etc, etc,etc. This > my friend has always been my point for Starforce. With very few > exceptions (pirates notwithstanding) SF works quickly and easily and the > only requirement is the original cd/dvd. Barely noticeable let alone > intrusive. Of all the broken DVD drives Id bet a HUGE percentage (99%+) > were caused by the user/pirate trying to defeat the copy protection not > the actual copy protection scheme, despite the whining, crying, screaming, > bitching and moaning so prevalent today. > > Whats going to happen now is unknown but Ill hazard a guess that copy > protection will become more intrusive than SF, not less. What will all > the anti SF activist crowd say then? Will they apologize for making the > situation worse? Ill bet they will start yet another moonbat based > activist crusade of smear and lies based on nothing other than fear and > insecurity instead of fact and common sense. > > The second you plug that RJ45/11 (nowadays GPRS/Edge etc) jack into your > PC youre fundamentally insecure, SF, MS-ring0, DblClck or not. Its > comical listening to the simpletons trying to convince themselves how > insecure SF and MS makes them all the while ignoring the true insecure > realities of computers and the internet v1.0 altogether. These are the > same people that wouldnt blink and eyelash d/ling then using one of the > many tools CREATED BY PIRATES to get around the copy protection. Does > that make any sense at all? > > Mitch > > > > "Darus" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... >> Intrusive seems a bit strong, but I get the point. >> >> Copy protection is fine by me, as long as it doesn't create <more> >> problems for the end user, similat to what we have with SF and GTL >> >> I recall a game for the C64 that displayed an image on the screen and >> the "copy protection" was a colored piece of cellophane that you looked >> thru to read a code and then entered into the computer. >> > >On Tue, 18 Apr 2006 18:59:52 GMT, "Mitch" <[email hidden]> wrote:
Why did you take the "A" out of your unsername? "A" is very fitting
for you. "A" is for Asshole or it can be "A" is for Apologist. Take
your pick.
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>They will STILL be using copy protection just not Starforce. You assume the >nextgen copy protections will be somehow be less intrusive than SF? Why is >that? As Ive always said, Starforce while a PITA is nothing compared to >what we will see in future copyright protection schemes. Lets wait and see >what the replacement is before you get all excited K. > >MitchOn Wed, 19 Apr 2006 12:49:03 +1000, "Steve Simpson" <[email hidden]>
wrote:
Samung/Toshiba (TSST Corp) drivers are good and cheap. They are quiet
too.
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>My latest NEC DVD burner is about 14 months old and no longer reads or >writes CDs. (DVDs are ok) > >I think my next one will be a Plextor, though at 3x the price it had better >be good. > >Damn I hate Chinese electronics. >On Wed, 19 Apr 2006 13:53:41 -0400, "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote:
That's a strange one. I wouldn't mind using the USB dongles as I have
read they can hold something like 1000 licenses and they don't cause
issues with security or drive errors.
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>The weirdest of all time was Lotus Jazz for the Macintosh back in the mid >80's. > >They had a Laser Hole burned into the disk, and the software would not run >if that hole was not present. > >You had to run it using the original discs. No user backups were permitted. > >They charged a fee for replacements. > >-LarryOooh Fredrickson. You need help dude, seriously. Youre one deranged mofo
thats for sure. Does the term STALKER mean anything to you?
Lets see now.
Larry Bakesmith is your real name and as far as I can tell youve used these
aliases...
Fredickson
Reggie_White
Flightlessvacuum
Rex_Roland
and now (using easynews) Enos Nivek
Have you ever offered anything of any substance other than insanity in your
life? Oh yea I forgot, you NEED A LIFE first....
Mitch
"Enos Nivek" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
I have a copy of GTR for sale, I will not be installing this bs on my new
computer.
Enos Nivek wrote:
I and many others agree with this post
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> On Tue, 18 Apr 2006 18:59:52 GMT, "Mitch" <[email hidden]> wrote: > >> They will STILL be using copy protection just not Starforce. You assume the >> nextgen copy protections will be somehow be less intrusive than SF? Why is >> that? As Ive always said, Starforce while a PITA is nothing compared to >> what we will see in future copyright protection schemes. Lets wait and see >> what the replacement is before you get all excited K. >> >> Mitch > > Why did you take the "A" out of your unsername? "A" is very fitting > for you. "A" is for Asshole or it can be "A" is for Apologist. Take > your pick.Mitch wrote:
You are one paranoid dude.
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> Oooh Fredrickson. You need help dude, seriously. Youre one deranged mofo > thats for sure. Does the term STALKER mean anything to you? > > Lets see now. > > Larry Bakesmith is your real name and as far as I can tell youve used these > aliases... > > Fredickson > Reggie_White > Flightlessvacuum > Rex_Roland > and now (using easynews) Enos Nivek > > Have you ever offered anything of any substance other than insanity in your > life? Oh yea I forgot, you NEED A LIFE first.... > > Mitch > > > "Enos Nivek" <[email hidden]> wrote in messageOn Wed, 19 Apr 2006 22:01:44 GMT, "Mitch" <[email hidden]> wrote:
Haha...I ain't him. <the sound of helicopters can be heard in the
distance>.
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>Oooh Fredrickson. You need help dude, seriously. Youre one deranged mofo >thats for sure. Does the term STALKER mean anything to you? > >Lets see now. > >Larry Bakesmith is your real name and as far as I can tell youve used these >aliases... > >Fredickson >Reggie_White >Flightlessvacuum >Rex_Roland >and now (using easynews) Enos Nivek > >Have you ever offered anything of any substance other than insanity in your >life? Oh yea I forgot, you NEED A LIFE first.... > >MitchI don't know what's more crazy...
The many sides of Fred Fredrickson, or the fact that Mitch keeps track of
them all.
:)
-Laryr
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> Oooh Fredrickson. You need help dude, seriously. Youre one deranged mofo > thats for sure. Does the term STALKER mean anything to you? > > Lets see now. > > Larry Bakesmith is your real name and as far as I can tell youve used > these aliases... > > Fredickson > Reggie_White > Flightlessvacuum > Rex_Roland > and now (using easynews) Enos Nivek > > Have you ever offered anything of any substance other than insanity in > your life? Oh yea I forgot, you NEED A LIFE first.... > > Mitch > > > "Enos Nivek" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > >Yea it's pretty sad I have to bother. I like to keep my killfile up to
date, nothing "crazy" about that.
If you like to read his one sentence 3rd grade bullshit good for you.
Because I don't you call me crazy?> Hmmm. Larry's bullshit is deeper than
usual today.
Mitch
"Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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>I don't know what's more crazy... > > The many sides of Fred Fredrickson, or the fact that Mitch keeps track of > them all. > > :) > > -Laryr >On Thu, 20 Apr 2006 17:06:12 GMT, "Mitch" <[email hidden]> wrote:
>Yea it's pretty sad I have to bother. I like to keep my killfile up to
>date, nothing "crazy" about that.
Oh, please don't put me in your killfile. I can't stand the thought of
not being able to converse with such an intelligent and mature person
as yourself.
On this point I fully agree Darus.
BUT....
Do you know without a doubt that SF caused your issue?
From my experiences in life talk is very very cheap all the while facts,
evidence and proof get hidden behind *talk*.
BTW Im hearing a rumor that Ubi is going to use SecureRom7 which as far as
Im concerned is as bad if not worse than SF.
Mitch
"Darus" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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I shouldn't have to be worried that installing and/or running
> a piece of entertainment software will cause physical damage to
> equipment that worked fine prior.
>
Mitch,
Smiley blinders on today?
-Larry
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> Yea it's pretty sad I have to bother. I like to keep my killfile up to > date, nothing "crazy" about that. > > If you like to read his one sentence 3rd grade bullshit good for you. > Because I don't you call me crazy?> Hmmm. Larry's bullshit is deeper > than usual today. > > Mitch > > "Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:dWN1g.25167$s%6.1303@dukeread02... >>I don't know what's more crazy... >> >> The many sides of Fred Fredrickson, or the fact that Mitch keeps track of >> them all. >> >> :) >> >> -Laryr >> > >A smiley will never dilute being compared in any way shape or form to that
weasely little wrecker Fredrickson.
All I want is to ignore the little shit and as far as Im concerned Im doing
the community a favor broadcasting all of his many aliases.
In fact what dumbshit invited that pisssant wrecker to run in RASCAR in the
first place?
Mitch
"Larry" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> Mitch,
>
> Smiley blinders on today?
>
> -Larry
Breaking News:
GTR2 will drop Starforce!!
The official release:
'To our ascending perturbation it had become increasingly evident that
our implementation of the much maligned protection suite
'Starforce', has began to 'suck hairy balls' among our punters.
We, SimBin, hold our punters in the highest of exalted and lofty esteem
and as such, following diligent and extensive investigation have
discovered that most of our 'punters' have been impelled to
purchase our software. This untenable position will be remedied
henceforth with the upcoming 'bit torrent release' of GTR2 which
marries hip modernity with 70's freeform hippydom'.
Paradigm shift ensues.
On Fri, 21 Apr 2006 22:00:18 GMT, "Mitch" <[email hidden]> wrote:
>A smiley will never dilute being compared in any way shape or form to that
>weasely little wrecker Fredrickson.
>
>All I want is to ignore the little shit and as far as Im concerned Im doing
>the community a favor broadcasting all of his many aliases.
But I am not him so you are full of shit, as usual.
"Mitch" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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No Mitch, I don't think Kev is the same although he possesses many similar
moronic traits.
This one is spouting childish nonsense on comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.action and I
don't recall any of the Frederickson incarnations turning up there. Oh, hang
on, Flightlessvacuum posts there occasionally, hmmmmm.
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>A smiley will never dilute being compared in any way shape or form to that >weasely little wrecker Fredrickson. > > All I want is to ignore the little shit and as far as Im concerned Im > doing the community a favor broadcasting all of his many aliases. > > In fact what dumbshit invited that pisssant wrecker to run in RASCAR in > the first place? > > MitchOn Sun, 23 Apr 2006 09:24:14 +0200, "redTed"
<[email hidden]> wrote:
>No Mitch, I don't think Kev is the same although he possesses many similar
>moronic traits.
>This one is spouting childish nonsense on comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.action and I
>don't recall any of the Frederickson incarnations turning up there. Oh, hang
>on, Flightlessvacuum posts there occasionally, hmmmmm.
>Wow, two low life Starforce apologists in one thread. This has to be a
record.
Make it three.
There are many satisfied players of GTL. Most of us have had
absolutely no trouble with Starforce.
I have. The game installed, but would run. Absolutely no responce whatsoever
from the so-called technical support.
Just because you haven't had trouble, doesn't mean others haven't.
"Bob" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> Make it three.
>
> There are many satisfied players of GTL. Most of us have had
> absolutely no trouble with Starforce.
>
Technical issues exist in every form. The entire SF issue has become a
political issue for the activist idiots and pirates with more time than
sense and nothing about reality.
Mitch
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> "Bob" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... >> Make it three. >> >> There are many satisfied players of GTL. Most of us have had >> absolutely no trouble with Starforce. >> > >On Tue, 25 Apr 2006 10:48:50 -0600, "Someone" <[email hidden]>
wrote:
>I have. The game installed, but would run. Absolutely no responce whatsoever
>from the so-called technical support.
That's a classic Starforce issue with your specific drive. Contact
Starforce and they should be able to help you out with a bypass code.
See? I offer solutions and people like Mitch and RedTed stick their
head in the sand and say there is nothing wrong with Starforce. Anyone
who claims Starforce is evil free because they themselves have no
issue with Starforce is a fuckwit.
On Tue, 25 Apr 2006 17:26:30 GMT, "Mitch" <[email hidden]> wrote:
>Technical issues exist in every form. The entire SF issue has become a
>political issue for the activist idiots and pirates with more time than
>sense and nothing about reality.
>
>Mitch
Claiming anti Starforce people are pirates is the classic Starforce
response. Can't even come up with your own BS. Sad little twerp.
I guess there's a third catagory. Those that don't like resources uselessly
consumed by drivers/software that provide me ZERO benifit whatsoever.
It's a shame programmers aren't forced to write in Assembly.
-Larry
"Mitch" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> Technical issues exist in every form. The entire SF issue has become a > political issue for the activist idiots and pirates with more time than > sense and nothing about reality. > > Mitch > > >> "Bob" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >> news:[email hidden]... >>> Make it three. >>> >>> There are many satisfied players of GTL. Most of us have had >>> absolutely no trouble with Starforce. >>> >> >> > >Quoted text (10 lines)
>>I have. The game installed, but would run. Absolutely no responce >>whatsoever >>from the so-called technical support. > > That's a classic Starforce issue with your specific drive. Contact > Starforce and they should be able to help you out with a bypass code. > See? I offer solutions and people like Mitch and RedTed stick their > head in the sand and say there is nothing wrong with Starforce. Anyone > who claims Starforce is evil free because they themselves have no > issue with Starforce is a fuckwit.redTed wrote:
you need help
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>>> I have. The game installed, but would run. Absolutely no responce >>> whatsoever >> >from the so-called technical support. >> >> That's a classic Starforce issue with your specific drive. Contact >> Starforce and they should be able to help you out with a bypass code. >> See? I offer solutions and people like Mitch and RedTed stick their >> head in the sand and say there is nothing wrong with Starforce. Anyone >> who claims Starforce is evil free because they themselves have no >> issue with Starforce is a fuckwit. > > Dicks like you are FAR more dangerous than SF could ever be. > Like other scaremongers, you jump on the current bandwagon and ride along > with your mouth wide open catching bugs. > Some people have tried Starforce games, unlike yourself, so we can be a > little more objective in our findings. You wouldn't know the fucking meaning > of the word. > "evil free"...lol. What a tosser. > >On Tue, 25 Apr 2006 21:15:52 +0200, "redTed"
<[email hidden]> wrote:
I've got quite a few Starforce games collecting dust here. As far as
I'm concerned they stole my money because they put the Starforce virus
on the disks but neglected to tell the consumer about it. If Starforce
is problem free as you claim then there would never have been a class
action lawsuite launched. You dumb buttfucker.
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>Dicks like you are FAR more dangerous than SF could ever be. >Like other scaremongers, you jump on the current bandwagon and ride along >with your mouth wide open catching bugs. >Some people have tried Starforce games, unlike yourself, so we can be a >little more objective in our findings. You wouldn't know the fucking meaning >of the word. >"evil free"...lol. What a tosser. >Quoted text (15 lines)
>>Dicks like you are FAR more dangerous than SF could ever be. >>Like other scaremongers, you jump on the current bandwagon and ride along >>with your mouth wide open catching bugs. >>Some people have tried Starforce games, unlike yourself, so we can be a >>little more objective in our findings. You wouldn't know the fucking >>meaning >>of the word. >>"evil free"...lol. What a tosser. >> > > I've got quite a few Starforce games collecting dust here. As far as > I'm concerned they stole my money because they put the Starforce virus > on the disks but neglected to tell the consumer about it. If Starforce > is problem free as you claim then there would never have been a class > action lawsuite launched. You dumb buttfucker.Quoted text (8 lines)
>> Dicks like you are FAR more dangerous than SF could ever be. >> Like other scaremongers, you jump on the current bandwagon and ride along >> with your mouth wide open catching bugs. >> Some people have tried Starforce games, unlike yourself, so we can be a >> little more objective in our findings. You wouldn't know the fucking >> meaning of the word. >> "evil free"...lol. What a tosser. > you need helpI have removed all trace of GTR and GTL from computer purely because
because of my dislike for this particular form copy protection.
